What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by Roy » 17 Dec 2013

shivachild wrote:This is why Brahma Baba is saying to the Brahmins that they too should become angels, having an angelic form like him, their Father, who is also in angelic form now.
Should we also leave the body??? Is Brahma Baba actually complete??? Why then, does he become Vishnu only at the end???

"Do you think that we should also leave the body and become Avyakt (like Brahma Baba Krishna did, in 1968/69)? Do not follow in this matter." [Av 13.03.81]

"When (Brahma)Baba reaches the Karmateet stage (first of all... then) you children will also attain this stage... But this Karmateet stage will be achieved only in the end." [Mu 03.05.73]

"Now it's Brahma's night. So it is night for Brahma(Baba Krishna) also, is not it? Then, when he becomes Vishnu (at the end, the War of the broad drama commences), it will be day." [Mu 15.10.77]

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by shivachild » 18 Dec 2013

Roy wrote: Is Brahma Baba actually complete???
As per Avyakt Vanis Brahma Baba(Krishna - first prince of Golden Age) is complete, perfect and 'Karmateet'.

Some Vani points are given below:

Avyakt BapDada (2nd February 1969) says
“If everyone were to have been together, then the experience of Baba's karmateet stage, according to the drama, would have been something else. But it was destined to be like this, and this is why there were very few in front of Baba (at the final moment).”

Avyakt BapDada (13th March 1969) says
“Have you seen the image of the perfect and complete stage in the corporeal form? Was the corporeal body not an example of the complete karmateet stage? Compare yourself with that, and tell Baba. You have to become like that.”

Avyakt BapDada (26th June 1969) says
“What did Baba do when he became bodiless and karmateet? He became a bird and flew away in one second. He flew away from the Sakar body in one second.”

Avyakt BapDada (19th December 1985) says
“A soul caught in bond of karma became the example and became karmateet. It is easy to follow that corporeal life, is it not? The answer to your questions about the body, relationships or wealth, can be seen in the life of Brahma Baba.”

Avyakt BapDada (25th March 1986) says
“At the Confluence Age you experience the state, like the Father, of being karmateet and incorporeal. And for 21 births you experience the elevated life, like Brahma Baba, of being all-virtuous, complete, and completely free of vice.”

Avyakt BapDada (22nd November 1987) says
“You saw Brahma Baba. Until he reached his final karmateet stage, he paid attention to himself, to service, to having unlimited distaste. He had courage from the beginning until the end.”

Avyakt BapDada (18th December 1987) says
“You saw Sakar Brahma Baba become bodiless and karmateet while in the body. What is the speciality of being karmateet?”

Avyakt BapDada (18th January 1988) says
“Today you stay merged in the remembrance and love of Brahma Baba, who is the elevated symbol of equality in love and power. One minute there is immense love, the next there is elevated power. With love and through love he made all the children constantly powerful. He did not simply attract them towards himself with love - through love created a powerful army and made them instruments for service in front of the world. He made them constantly loving and taught the lesson of becoming free from attachment, karmateet.

Avyakt BapDada (30th January 1988) says
“Brahma is the one who first becomes karmateet, an angel. Brahma, who becomes an angel, and from an angel a deity, is number one in everything. Why did he become number one in this way? With which method did he achieve the result of becoming number one? All you Brahmin souls must only follow Brahma.”

Avyakt BapDada (28th February 1988) says
“To be unlimited in every aspect means to be generous. Where there is a state of the unlimited, nothing can attract the soul towards itself. This is being equal to Baba, karmateet, detached from all varieties of limited nature and sanskaras. Limitation is bondage.”

Avyakt BapDada (22nd January 1990) says
“The fifth step - he became free from the bondage of karma - free from the relationship of karma - free from the bondage of the body - an angel, that is, karmateet. In one second he conquered all attachments and became the embodiment of the remembrance of One. He became close and he became equal.”

Avyakt BapDada (18th January 1990) says
There was incognito significance in the drama, in Baba becoming Avyakt. Some children think he should have taken leave. If he had, would you have let him go? And who is the more powerful? If he had taken leave, he would not have become karmateet. The connection of the soul is multi-million times greater than the connection of blood. Brahma had to become karmateet.”

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by shivachild » 24 Mar 2014

As per Av. Vanis Brahma Baba(Krishna - first prince of Golden Age) is complete, perfect and 'Karmateet'.
Some Vani points are given below:
Av. Vani dated 15.03.2014 says,"The special blessing for today, for Holi, is to become equal to the Father - it is that you definitely have to become equal to Father Brahma, and complete, like him. Follow the Father. Father Brahma was in the corporeal form, and even now he is your helper. "

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by shivsena » 21 Sep 2015

Av-Vani 20-9-15 [revised 21-1-80] says : " आज हरेक बच्चे का डबल स्वरूप देख रहे हैं। कौन-सा डबल रूप? एक वर्तमान पुरुषार्थी स्वरूप, दूसरा वर्तमान जन्म का अन्तिम सम्पूर्ण फरिश्ता। इस समय “हम सो, सो हम” के मन्त्र में पहले हम सो फरिश्ता स्वरूप हैं फिर भविष्य में हम सो देवता रूप है।"

In the above Vani, av-Brahma is clearly saying that the end stage of present birth is farishta stage and in future it will be Deity form.

A logical query to all PBKs, who do not believe in Farishta-angels : If Brahma is learning to be a Deity through -Virendra Dev Dixit, then why does brahma talk about farishta stage in av-Vanis ??

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by khemkaran » 25 Sep 2015

Om Shanti to all members,

Has Brahma Baba (or the soul of DLR, the first prince of the Golden Age - Shri Krishna), ACTUALLY ALREADY ACHIEVED the Complete Angelic Stage? If so, what are the parameters of a Complete Angelic Stage (CAS) ?

Valuable views of all forum members are invited, according to Avyakt Vanis.

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