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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by shivachild » 05 Oct 2013

shivsena wrote:If Brahma--DL is not a true angel, then what is his designation at present.
Dear Shivsena,
Avyakt Vani dated 18.01.2012 says,"Because everyone has now to make the return journey with the Father. You definitely have to become an angel, equal to him, because all of you have promised: "we will return home together and come to rule together". Father Brahma has already become an angel. So, how will you return with him? Father Brahma showed his angelic form in his life. He had so many responsibilities. Everyone has to be made into a yogi. However, all of you saw that, even through he had so many responsibilities, he remained loving and detached. He always remained a carefree emperor: no worries, but a carefree emperor. In the same way, you children also have to become equal to the Father: carefree emperors, angels."


Who is this angel(Father Brahma)? OM Radhey Mama or Dada Lekhraj Kirpalani??

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by shivachild » 06 Oct 2013

shivsena wrote:
What is the aim of Godly study ??...is it to become Devta or Farishta !!!

Can you please share your views.

shivsena.
Avyakt Vani dated 18.01.2009 says."You are Brahmins souls who are to become angels. Churn these things, and stay in the stage of being merged. To become a deity is your birthright, you are angels who are to become deities."

Dear Shivsena,
Imo......Brahmin,Angel(farishta) and Deity(Devta) are three stages.The aim of Godly study is to become Angel (Farishta).Deity (Devta) stage will automatically be achieved as it will become our right (birthright).

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by shivachild » 18 Oct 2013

Avyakt Vani dated 11.07.1970 says,"After you study you receive a degree; so what will you receive at this Confluence Age? The degree of the Confluence Age is the perfect angel, the Avyakt angel, and the reward in the future is the deity status. So, the degree of the present time is the perfect Avyakt angel."

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Post by shivachild » 29 Oct 2013

Av. Vani dated 31.12.1995 says,"So, what will you now do? What will you become? Angels! To move and walk in the angelic form is to become a diamond. What is the sign of the most expensive, invaluable flawless diamond? When you place it in front of a light, it will sparkle brightly, and rays will emanate from it. Rays of many colours will be visible from it. So, when you become real diamonds - when you become angels - the eight powers will be visible from your angelic forms. Just as those rays of colours are visible, in the same way, you have to become diamonds: that is, the form of angels."

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by shivsena » 30 Oct 2013

shivachild wrote:Av. Vani dated 31.12.1995 says,"So, what will you now do? What will you become? Angels! To move and walk in the angelic form is to become a diamond. What is the sign of the most expensive, invaluable flawless diamond? When you place it in front of a light, it will sparkle brightly, and rays will emanate from it. Rays of many colours will be visible from it. So, when you become real diamonds - when you become angels - the eight powers will be visible from your angelic forms. Just as those rays of colours are visible, in the same way, you have to become diamonds: that is, the form of angels."
Very good point.. shivachild Bhai....this point completely contradicts the advance teachings that we have to become devta with this body.....one can never become an angel by remembering a physical body.....one can become an angel only by remembering Mama in angelic form.
The point also proves that only a complete angel can speak the above point and according to PBKs avaykt-Lekhraj Kirpalani is not a complete angel, as he is studying RajYoga through the body of -Virendra Dev Dixit....so it means that it is only Mama (complete angel from 1965) who is narrating the Vanis to enable the 108 souls to achieve the complete angel stage like her.(Bap-samaan avaykt farishta)

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by Roy » 30 Oct 2013

shivsena wrote:Very good point.. shivachild Bhai.....this point completely contradicts the advance teachings that we have to become devta with this body.....one can never become an angel by remembering a physical body.....one can become an angel only by remembering Mama in angelic form.
Yes, thank you for the excellent points you are sharing with us Shivachild Bhai... but i cannot agree with Shivisena Bhai's conclusions, because he contradicts so many Murli points with his statement.

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by shivachild » 01 Nov 2013

Dear Roy,
Any concept that contradicts with the Murli points can never be accepted by us. As far as I know about brother shivsena, he gives first preference to Murli points and is always open for healthy discussion with us. I also find many of his questions logical. An example is given below:

shivsena wrote:
Also according to PBKs, VD is Sangamyugi Krishna.....so what i cannot understand is: Sangamyugi Krishna(VD) is in physical body and satyugi Krishna(DL) is an angel in Subtle Region.....and Father Sangamyugi Krishna(VD) is reading/explaining the Vanis of son (satyugi Krishna--DL) in Sangamyug (what purpose ??? ) ....the whole concept just does not make any sense to me.
shivsena.
Now the logical queries are:
1) If Dada Lekhraj Kirpalani is not an angel then how does he able to narrate Avyakt Vanis in the body of Dadi Gulzar at Mount Abu?
2) If Dada Lekhraj Kirpalani is an angel then the above question raised by brother Shivsena is very much valid.

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by arjun » 01 Nov 2013

shivachild wrote:Now the logical queries are:
1) If Dada Lekhraj Kirpalani is not an angel then how does he able to narrate Avyakt Vanis in the body of Dadi Gulzar at Mount Abu?
The question raised by shivsena Bhai (and quoted by you) has been answered several times on this forum that it is not Shiv or the soul of Confluence Age Narayan that reads out the Murli. It is the soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani who reads the Murlis and it is the Supreme Father Shiv who clarifies. And there is no arguement whether the soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani is an angel or not. He is. But the one who becomes angel while being in the body and amidst tamopradhan atmosphere is greater than the angel who does not have a physical body, but only a subtle body (which nobody can see).

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Post by shivachild » 01 Nov 2013

shivsena wrote: ...this point completely contradicts the advance teachings that we have to become devta with this body.
Av. Vani dated 31.12.1995 says,"As soon as you wake up at Amrit Vela, bring into your awareness: "Who am I? I am an angel". You have the thought that you are an angel, and you wish to become that."

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by Roy » 01 Nov 2013

shivachild wrote:Dear Roy, Any concept that contradicts with the Murli points can never be accepted by us. As far as I know about brother shivsena, he gives first preference to Murli points and is always open for healthy discussion with us. I also find many of his questions logical. An example is given below:
Yes, i totally agree with your comments regarding Shivsena Bhai, brother... but i don't agree with his interpretations of the Murlis, nor he mine.

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by shivachild » 07 Nov 2013

shivachild wrote:"After you study you receive a degree; so what will you receive at this Confluence Age? The degree of the Confluence Age is the perfect angel, the Avyakt angel, and the reward in the future is the deity status. So, the degree of the present time is the perfect Avyakt angel."
Av. Vani dated 15.09.1974 says,"What is the ultimate objective of making effort? It is to live as an Avyakt angel. What is the Avyakt form? To be angelic. In this also, you should have your form of light in front of you, as your objective. By keeping that in front of you, you will feel that that is your form, in an aura of light.
You see your Avyakt form in the Subtle Region: so what difference do you see between the Avyakt (subtle) and the vyakt (corporeal) ? The corporeal form is in an aura of the five elements, and the subtle form is in an aura of light. "

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Post by shivachild » 11 Nov 2013

shivsena wrote: What is the aim of Godly study ??...is it to become Devta or Farishta !!!
Av. Vani dated 07.02.1976 says,"Just as in the future world of heaven, all will be called deities, in the same way at the present moment - at the Confluence Age - all are to become like angels, but they will be number-wise. Just as, there, each one is satopradhan according to each one's stage, in the same way here too, each effort-maker definitely attains the stage of an angel."

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by shivachild » 16 Nov 2013

shivsena wrote:
So which is higher stage ? ... Devta stage is higher or farishta(body of light and might) is superior !!!!
Av. Vani dated 25.06.1970 says,"Out of the deity stage and the Avyakt stage, which is more elevated? In the deity life, knowledge remains merged, whereas in the Avyakt stage, knowledge remains emerged."

So, the farishta (body of light and might) stage is superior.

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by sita » 16 Nov 2013

Indeed, when we become deities we start degrading, but it is inevitable. Basically we become from humans to Brahmins to faristas to deities.

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Re: What is our aim?..is to become Devta or Farishta

Post by shivachild » 17 Dec 2013

Av. Vani dated 22.02.1984 says,"Brahma Baba too is waiting for you, because he has to play the new first role in the new world, and has therefore to accompany you Brahmin children. Can just Brahma alone become Shri Krishna? What will he do there all alone? Doesn't he need companions who will study and play with him? This is why Brahma Baba is saying to the Brahmins that they too should become angels, having an angelic form like him, their Father, who is also in angelic form now. From an angel stage you will attain the deity stage. Did you understand? "

As per above Vani point, Brahma Baba(Krishna) is waiting for us to become an angel like him.
From an angel stage we will attain deity stage.

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