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Re: Why Veerendra Dev Dixit cannot be personified ShivBaba.

Post by arjun » 08 Oct 2013

shivachild,
U seem to be a confused lot. On the one hand u r trying to prove Om Radhey as no.1 and on the other hand u r trying to prove Lekhraj Kirpalani as th real Father. First decide who is next to God for u - Om Radhey or Lekhraj Kirpalani or both or whether one of them is God himself/herself.

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Re: Why Veerendra Dev Dixit cannot be personified ShivBaba.

Post by shivachild » 09 Oct 2013

arjun wrote:On the one hand u r trying to prove Om Radhey as no.1 and on the other hand u r trying to prove Lekhraj Kirpalani as th real Father.
There is no confusion regarding two fathers.

Av. Vani dated 18.01.2013 says,"The Father - both fathers, Bap and Dada - both have constant love in their heart for each and every child, and will always have this love."

Here Bap=Om radhey Mama(combined with Shiv)=No.1 Shivshakti
Dada=Dada Lekhraj Kirpalani(combined with Shiv)=No. 1 Shivshakti


Murli dated 02.11.2007 says," 8 will pass with hounour.You should be within them. If not try to be within 108. Margin is also for 16108.This old Brahma will pass and become number one. young Mama will also become number one. "

Imo...... Om-Radhey Mama and Dada Lekhraj Kirpalani both are No.1 souls.

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Re: Why Veerendra Dev Dixit cannot be personified ShivBaba.

Post by arjun » 10 Oct 2013

Imo.... Om-Radhey Mama and Dada Lekhraj Kirpalani both are No.1 souls.
shivachild, you are free to believe whatever you wish. I do not wish to spend my time explaining to someone who has deliberately chosen to be confused. For us no.1 is one and not two.

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Post by shivachild » 11 Oct 2013

arjun wrote:shivachild, you are free to believe whatever you wish. I do not wish to spend my time explaining to someone who has deliberately chosen to be confused. For us no.1 is one and not two.
Dear Arjun,
I am thankful to you for your explanations and your precious time. It may be confusing for you , but I do not find anything confusing in achiving 100% marks in Godly study and sharing the No.1 position by two souls. Imo....There is no comparison between Lakshmi and Narayan.
This is also possible in worldy study that 2 students by getting equal marks may enjoy the highest (No.1) position.

you have rightly said that this is my belief. In fact the whole Godly study is a matter of belief only. Each Godly student understand Godly Knowledge as per his/her intellect numberwise.

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Post by shivachild » 12 Oct 2013

shivachild wrote: Imo.....There is no comparison between Lakshmi and Narayan.
Murli dated 22.09.2012 says,
"Those who claim the first number in a race receive a big prize. So, this Lakshmi and Narayan claim the first number.
First is Lakshmi and then Narayan, whereas here it is first Brahma and then Saraswati because she is the daughter."

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Re: Why Veerendra Dev Dixit cannot be personified ShivBaba.

Post by arjun » 13 Oct 2013

shivachild wrote:but I do not find anything confusing in achiving 100% marks in Godly study and sharing the No.1 position by two souls. Imo.....There is no comparison between Lakshmi and Narayan.
In the path of Bhakti the story of Satya Narayana (true Narayan) is famous and not the story of Satya Lakshmi (true Lakshmi). It means that Lakshmi does not make as much effort as Narayan. But as I said you are free to believe that both achieved No.1 rank.

"बाप तुमको सच्ची गीता सुनाए यह लक्ष्मी-नारायण बनाते हैं। अभी तुम फर्स्ट ग्रेड में जाते हो। सत्य नारायण की कथा सुनकर तुम नर से नारायण बनते हो।“(ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक १९.०१.०९, पृ.२)

"The Father narrates the true Gita to you and makes you this Lakshmi-Narayan. Now you go to the first grade. You listen to the story of Satya Naryaan and change from a man to Narayan.”(Revised Sakar Murli dated 19.01.09, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi)
Murli dated 22.09.2012 says,
"Those who claim the first number in a race receive a big prize. So, this Lakshmi and Narayan claim the first number.
First is Lakshmi and then Narayan, whereas here it is first Brahma and then Saraswati because she is the daughter."
Lakshmi's name is uttered first because she inculcates more purity.

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Post by shivachild » 13 Oct 2013

arjun wrote:Lakshmi's name is uttered first because she inculcates more purity.
OK Brother Arjun,
Let us accept that Narayan is No.1 soul. Now, the following Murli point says that Brahma Kumari Saraswati claim even greater inheritance than Brahma. What may be this inheritence according to you?


Murli dated 05.07.2013 says,"Shiv Baba speaks through Brahma and this Brahma also listens. Saraswati, the first daughter of Brahma, has also been remembered. Brahma Kumari Saraswati, the world mother, is praised a great deal. She claims an even greater inheritance than Brahma. This is why Lakshmi is remembered first, then Narayan."

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Re: Why Veerendra Dev Dixit cannot be personified ShivBaba.

Post by arjun » 14 Oct 2013

The greater inheritance that she gets is the wealth of purity.

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Post by shivachild » 15 Oct 2013

Murli dated 11.03.2013 says,"Take the example of the number one soul. The number one Lakshmi and Narayan were satopradhan and have now become tamopradhan. Shiv Baba has entered this one because he has to become number one again. Then the mother is placed in the plus position. Mothers have to be given a lift. Lakshmi is first and then Narayan."

It is always said in Murlis that Lakshmi is ahead of No.1 Narayan. It is never said that Lakshmi is NO.2 soul.Because Lakshmi-Narayan are combined.

Avyakt Vani dated 08.02.1976 says,"Those who have the practice of the combined form - that of the Father and the child - can have the experience of the combined form of the reward - that is, of Shri Lakshmi and Shri Narayan."

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Re: Why Veerendra Dev Dixit cannot be personified ShivBaba.

Post by shivsena » 26 Oct 2013

Murli 9-sept 13 says: "Gyan-sagar toh galiyon mei nahi jayenge "
["Ocean of knowledge (ShivBaba) wil not wander here and there"(in various Gita-patshalas of PBKs)]

The above point goes completely against Virendra Dev Dixit being Gyan-sagar Bap, as Virendra Dev Dixit wanders in various Gita-patshalas(gadbad-shalas) preaching his false illusionary adv-Gyan to his followers.

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Post by shivachild » 27 Oct 2013

arjun wrote: "बाप तुमको सच्ची गीता सुनाए यह लक्ष्मी-नारायण बनाते हैं। अभी तुम फर्स्ट ग्रेड में जाते हो। सत्य नारायण की कथा सुनकर तुम नर से नारायण बनते हो।“(ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक १९.०१.०९, पृ.२)

"The Father narrates the true Gita to you and makes you this Lakshmi-Narayan. Now you go to the first grade. You listen to the story of Satya Naryaan and change from a man to Narayan.”(Revised Sakar Murli dated 19.01.09, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi)
This task of transformation from ordinary human to Narayan is carried out by Jagadamba.children listen the story of Satya Narayan from Jagdamba(The Father)

Murli dated 15.03.2013 says,"You are the children of Jagadamba. Jagadamba carries out the task of transforming ordinary humans into Narayan."

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Post by shivachild » 01 Nov 2013

Av. Vani dated 03.04.2012 says,"You have to move along holding Father Brahma's hand in your hand, and so what is the hand? An angel does not have physical hands. So, what are Father Brahma's hands? Shrimat."

As per above Murli point
1) Father Brahma does not have physical hands. Who is this Father Brahma?

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Post by RudraPutra » 13 Nov 2013

shivsena wrote:Murli 9-sept 13 says: "Gyan-sagar toh galiyon mei nahi jayenge "
["Ocean of knowledge (ShivBaba) wil not wander here and there"(in various Gita-patshalas of PBKs)]
...to be very frank, 'gali' in Hindi means narrow road...and if u really care for unlimited sense of talk then why r u taking the meaning of this Murli in literal way?
In my opinion, the translation of the above Murli verse should be

"Ocean of knowledge (ShivBaba) wil not go to narrow road."
now if you ask me the meaning of this Murli in unlimited sense then the answer is simple...Gyan saagar,ocean of knowledge, ShivBaba will not go to the narrow minded people. In short, narrow minded person cannot understand or make his mind broad enough to understand the true part of ShivBaba...perhaps, this is what you are doing...shivsena Bhai.

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Post by shivsena » 13 Nov 2013

RudraPutra wrote:
"Ocean of knowledge (ShivBaba) wil not go to narrow road."
now if you ask me the meaning of this Murli in unlimited sense then the answer is simple...Gyan saagar,ocean of knowledge, ShivBaba will not go to the narrow minded people. In short, narrow minded person cannot understand or make his mind broad enough to understand the true part of ShivBaba...perhaps, this is what you are doing...shivsena Bhai.
Rudraputra Bhai.....Every Murli point can be taken in hadh ka meaning and behad ka meaning.
When taken in literal sense, it means that Gyan-sagar bap will not go physically on a jismani yatra in narrow lanes leading to PBK-Gita patshalas.

When taken in the behad ka sense, it means that the Gyan-sagar Bap will not go in the narrow lanes of Gyan (ie. he will not dilly-dally about Gyan)...HE will talk to the point and give the essence of Gyan.....Virendra Dev Dixit has the habit of giving ambigious(different) explanations according to the students intellect and doing gossiping for hours in vartalap classes (mostly related to Bhakti-marg)....this is not what Gyan-sagar ShivBap would do.....thousands of cassettes--cds--vcds etc are small lanes of Gyan.(''vistaar ne saar ko chupa diya'').....this is what i feel.

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Re: Why Veerendra Dev Dixit cannot be personified ShivBaba.

Post by shivsena » 24 Jan 2014

Duniya mei Shanti ke liye Ram ka naam lete hai...lekin adv-Gyan Virendra Dev Dixit to Ram kahete hai, jisne BKs aur PBKs ke beech mei partition kiya aur dushmani paida kee....toh Virendra Dev Dixit Ram kaise ho sakta hai ??

In India, People take the name of Ram to establish peace...but adv-Gyan says that Virendra Dev Dixit is Ram, who created a partition and silent hostility between BKs and PBKs....so how can Virendra Dev Dixit be Ram ??

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