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Advance Party???

Post by prakash » 14 Dec 2012

Avyakt Sandesh : Jin athmaovonke pas Advance Party ka janam huva hei vun athmavonko thayari karnne nimith ban na hei. voh variety prakarki athmaye hei. koyi Bhakth athmaye hein, koyi rajyadhikari leneke sahayogi athmaye hei aur koyi Dhanvan hei, lekin koyi positionvale nahi hei, lekin positionvalonke samparkvale hei. THO IS PRAKARKE ATHMAVONKE PAS Advance Party KA JANM HUVA HEI.
Voh log tho apna bal va yuva sambhandhse vunhonko aisa mukhse gnan nahi suna sakenge. lekin APNE VIBRATION aur APNA ROY KI AUTHORITY dvara. ATHORITY KI BOL AISE HOTHE "JO Maa BAP VA SAMPARKVALE SAMJTHE HEI INKEE ROY BAHUTH ACHI HEI" 'Apne Roy ki authoriti se snehse, balchrithrase,apnee jeevankee dharanakee visheshathase vunhonko sahayogi bana rahe hein. Voh athmaye Brahmakumari ban seedha gnan nahi denge AUR Yoga NAHI SIKHAYENGE, lekin PRACTICAL DHARANASE PRABHIVITH KARENGE. samparkme laa sakthe lekinswayam gnan deneka nimith nahi banenge. eh bi sevaka binnabinna roop hei.
Vyse kisinakisee rupe se, sambandhse sevake sahayogse apaasme milthe bi hei LEKIN BINA PEHCHANKE. VUNHE EH IMARGE NAHI HEI KI EH VISHVAKISHOR HEI VA YEH HEI.

Ab aapko Advance Party kehlanevale PBK valone kya kehthe ho

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Re: Advance Party???

Post by mbbhat » 14 Dec 2012

Thanks to baba for this wonderful point.

Now, arjun soul if interested, may do right/good translation in helping FB soul in understanding about Advance Party who had asked here below. and also prove himself that the above Murli point refers to AIVV people/souls.

http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2423
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If we get the date of this point, it would be better.

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Re: Advance Party???

Post by arjun » 14 Dec 2012

The above point applies to the PBKs only. If someone wishes to think that Advance Party refers only to those BKs who have left their bodies and have taken rebirth, then they are free to leave their body to join the Advance Party. :D We have been given the aim to transform from a man to Narayan and from a woman to Lakshmi.

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Re: Advance Party???

Post by mbbhat » 15 Dec 2012

arjun wrote:The above point applies to the PBKs only.
You may translate the Murli point, and prove it*. Is it not that the so called gyaani tu atmas to explain the Murli point how it applies. [PBKs say- they are interested in discussions.] Here, the topic starter had asked the question. Will any pbk explain how the Murli point applies to them?

* -Is it not funny or worse than childish - without proving it- just saying this point applies to PBKs only? Interesting thing is- PBKs put questions to BKWSU, and also posters in public challenging , but not ready to explain such a simple query.

OK, it is drama.

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Re: Advance Party???

Post by arjun » 15 Dec 2012

* -Is it not funny or worse than childish - without proving it- just saying this point applies to PBKs only? Interesting thing is- PBKs put questions to BKWSU, and also posters in public challenging , but not ready to explain such a simple query.
People are not bound to answer questions in which replies are demanded egotistically. Ask respectfully and you will get answers. But people like you (who keeps on delivering lectures on ego everyday but keeps acting egotistically in every post) don't deserve anything more than a sweet 'Om Shanti'. As long as you continue to display your ego you will get only an 'Om Shanti' in response from me. Rest is left to your wisdom. :cool:

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Re: Advance Party???

Post by mbbhat » 15 Dec 2012

People are not bound to answer questions in which replies are demanded egotistically. Ask respectfully and you will get answers.
Similarly, BKWSU is not bound to answer questions of AIVV. And, I have never expected any reply from PBKs so far. If they like, they may reply. It is up to them.

So- does it mean PBKs have hunger for respect?

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Re: Advance Party???

Post by mbbhat » 19 Dec 2012

prakash wrote:Avyakt Sandesh : Jin athmaovonke pas Advance Party ka janam huva hei vun athmavonko thayari karnne nimith ban na hei. voh variety prakarki athmaye hei. koyi Bhakth athmaye hein, koyi rajyadhikari leneke sahayogi athmaye hei aur koyi Dhanvan hei, lekin koyi positionvale nahi hei, lekin positionvalonke samparkvale hei. THO IS PRAKARKE ATHMAVONKE PAS Advance Party KA JANM HUVA HEI.
Voh log tho apna bal va yuva sambhandhse vunhonko aisa mukhse gnan nahi suna sakenge. lekin APNE VIBRATION aur APNA ROY KI AUTHORITY dvara. ATHORITY KI BOL AISE HOTHE "JO Maa BAP VA SAMPARKVALE SAMJTHE HEI INKEE ROY BAHUTH ACHI HEI" 'Apne Roy ki authoriti se snehse, balchrithrase,apnee jeevankee dharanakee visheshathase vunhonko sahayogi bana rahe hein. Voh athmaye Brahmakumari ban seedha gnan nahi denge AUR Yoga NAHI SIKHAYENGE, lekin PRACTICAL DHARANASE PRABHIVITH KARENGE. samparkme laa sakthe lekinswayam gnan deneka nimith nahi banenge. eh bi sevaka binnabinna roop hei.
Vyse kisinakisee rupe se, sambandhse sevake sahayogse apaasme milthe bi hei LEKIN BINA PEHCHANKE. VUNHE EH IMARGE NAHI HEI KI EH VISHVAKISHOR HEI VA YEH HEI.

Ab aapko Advance Party kehlanevale PBK valone kya kehthe ho
I would like to correct some words for improving clarity. Then it will be as below.
Avyakt Sandesh : Jin athmavon ke pas Advance Party ka janam huva hei un athmavon ko thayyari karnney nimith ban_ na hai. Voh variety prakar ki athmaayein hain. Koyi Bhakth aathmayein hein, koyi rajyadhikari lene ke sahayogi athmaye hei aur koyi Dhanvan hei, lekin koyi positionvale nahi hei, lekin positionvalon ke samparkvale hei. THO IS PRAKAR KE ATHMAVONKE PAS Advance Party KA JANM HUVA HEI.

Voh log tho apna bal va yuva sambhandh se unhon ko aisa mukh se gnan nahi suna sakenge. lekin APNE VIBRATION aur APNA RAAY KI AUTHORITY dvara. ATHORITY KI BOL AISE HOTHE "JO Maa BAP VA SAMPARKVALE SAMJTHE HEIN INKEE RAAY BAHUTH ACHI HEI" 'Apne Raay ki authoriti se, sneh se, baal chrithr se, apnee jeevan kee dharana kee visheshatha se unhon ko sahayogi bana rahe hein. Voh athmayein Brahmakumari ban seedha gnan nahi denge AUR Yoga NAHI SIKHAYENGE, lekin PRACTICAL DHARANA SE PRABHIVITH KARENGE. sampark me laa sakthe lekin swayam gnan dene ka nimith nahi banenge. Yah bi seva ka bhin bhin roop hei.

Vyse kisi na kisee rupe se, sambandh se seva ke sahayog se apaas me milthe bi hein, LEKIN BINA PEHCHAN KE. UNHE YAHI MARGE NAHI HEI KI EH VISHVAKISHOR HEI VA YEH HEI.

Ab aapko Advance Party kehlanevale PBK valone kya kehthe ho
after translation, it would appear as-
Avyakt message:- The Advance Party souls have taken birth at such places/people so that they will become nimitt for the preparation. They (the familes where Advance Party souls have taken birth) will be of variety types. Some will be devotee souls, some will be of those who will cooperate in getting kingdom, some will be rich but have no position- but having contact with those who have position. So- Advance Party souls have taken birth at such souls/people.

They will not be able to give knowledge by their power or youth(not clear, mostly means even if they are adult, they will not be able to give knowledge) relation. But, by their vibration and their authority of giving suggestions/directions. Their words/speech of authority would be such that their parents and those who are their contact/relation would feel the directions of them is good. By their authority of giving directions, by love, by character of childhood, by the speciality of dharna of their life, they make others cooperative. They will not become Bk and give knowledge directly or teach Yoga, but by practical dharna, they will influence. They will bring in contact, but will not give knowledge by themselves. This is also different forms of service.


BTW, by one or other ways, forms, relations or by relation through service they also (sometimes) meet together, but without knowing (each other that they had been BKs in past birth). The next sentence not clear.

Now, those who call themselves as Advance Party souls, what do you say?
Any pbk may do better translation and if wishes , prove themselves how the above points prove that AIVV people are Advance Party souls.

The so called truth seeker FB soul usually says- PBKs are better than BKs in doing churning, their intellect level is higher, there is more truth in AIVV than BKWSU. Let us see what would be judgment of that soul on this.

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Re: Advance Party???

Post by fluffy bunny » 19 Dec 2012

I would be very happy to have an intelligent discussion about the history of the idea of the Advance Party, but are you going to read it, or just ignore it and give a two word reply?

As usual, you misrepresent my position in a highly manipulative and insulting manner. Please stop doing so.


When I was a BK, Destruction was to be around 1986 ("50 years for Destruction, 50 years for Creation") according to the god of the BKs in the Murlis.

By now, the BKs' Advance Party was meant to be busy building nuclear power stations, golden palaces and flying machines, and making the gardens of heaven look pretty having cleaned up all the corpses and destroyed cities of India.

75 years later ... Destruction as the BKs see it has not happened.


Normally, I refuse to consider anything less than a full, dated and original Murli so that we can understand the timing and context of the statement.
  • Can you post the complete original?

    What is the date of this Murli? Late 1970s or early 1980s?
When I was a BK, many young Western BKs were being told that they were second birth BKs and part of the Advance Party led by Om Radhe too. Of course, it was not true. It was just encouragement designed to flatter them and make them feel special. It was just a guess trying to explain away an other failed predictions, i.e. that Dada, Mama and all the Dadis were going to be with the BK family until the end. They died, so the survivors had to make up some other story to make people feel good and keep their faith.

My guess, and at this point it is only a guess, is that the quasi-practical and scientific ideas probably came from people like Jagdish rather than the god of the BKs and circulated around Madhuban and were fed into the Murlis. As many new, young Westerners joined in the 1970s and 80s, they needed an explanation for it and so invented one. Mostly they had hidden the failure of the 1976 End of the World from us.

You see, what I would like to do is intelligently document the development of the ideas, not pick them up to use them as weapons in a war of faith, e.g. "when was the Advance Party first invented ... how did its purpose change over the years ... is there any evidence for its existence ... etc etc etc?".

Let's be rational about it.

For example,
  • Do the BKs and their Advance Party have enough nuclear power engineers to build even one power station?
    Have they invented 'fly-by-mind' aviation?
    Have they build the factories which are going to build all the high technology the Golden Age uses?
    Have they started planting the fruit tree the deities are going to eat from? (Trees take time to grow and bear fruit)
    Has the BKWSU collected enough gold and gem stones to build even one palace? ... Well, at least that might be true!

    (I heard the BKWSU has a big vault of gold and jewellery it has conned its followers into giving up at Madhuban).

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Re: Advance Party???

Post by arjun » 19 Dec 2012

fluffy-bunny wrote:What is the date of this Murli? Late 1970s or early 1980s?
It is just a trance message. It is neither a Murli nor an Avyakt Vani. However, even if we give credence to trance messages through official trance messengers, still the extracts apply to the PBKs and not to the BKs. Even if it applies to the BKs, it refers only to those BKs who have left their bodies and haven't taken rebirth and are acting through the bodies of the PBKs in different corners of the world. But the BKs are under the wrong impression that their Mama, several Dadis, Didis, Dadas and senior BKs have taken rebirth and only those BK souls constitute the Advance Party.

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Re: Advance Party???

Post by mbbhat » 19 Dec 2012

So- without explaining the point, PBKs give judgement. Actually, they should be able to explain the points sentence by sentence and then prove their claims. else just by saying the points prove the claims of PBKs has no meaning.

anyhow, it is drama.
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Do the BKs and their Advance Party have enough nuclear power engineers to build even one power station? ....
Dear FB soul,

You are not able to understand the point. You are asking/challenging BKWSU to build a nuclear power station*. What are you thinking about and what does the above points say? Here- the message says Advance Party souls will help BKs in getting kingdom in future and also likely to bring such VIPs into contact of BKWSU for service related matters (for example- their directions may guide such VIPs help BKs in providing some important platform/stages to make service easier and famous- like easy advertisements.... something similar and other types- this is my imagination). [Again - There are lot enough yet to be known about Advance Party. I think, only a few details of Advance Party things is said by BapDada. ]

[ And - there is no surprise if there is failed prediction of destruction said in Murli - these are already discussed. ]

And if some BKs, may be Dadis, Didis, etc have not been able to understand who are Advance Party people, it is their fault. But, actually no, because enough information is not spoken by BapDada so far. But, since they are on stage and have to give reply to others, so they may speak something. But, again these are silly, since these are just information, and not essence of knowledge. So- even if they say something incorrect or what they feel, it is not going to affect anyone in their effort. These are not main points on which BK philosophy is based on or depends on.

Here, the question is- when the message point is deadly against pbk philosophy, still PBKs claim it fits them, without being able to prove it. And PBKs say- "We are interested in discussion, and their god Father sits and interacts with his children", but here are not able to discuss not able to prove . I had mentioned one Murli point here - flaw no. 43 below

http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=39&t ... ood#p43707

where PBKs have been not able to discuss/explain even a little bit.

Actually, PBKs accuse that BKs could not understand the Murli point that predicts destruction in 1976. They claim it has subtle meaning, etc, etc. But, they are not able to explain the same Murli point even a bit which they claim that they know!. Their philosophy is mainly dependent on such Murli points.

That is why I just commented about your saying. You say PBKs churn better, have better intellects than BKs, etc. I am not objecting, you may give your such judgments. But, just found one more very clear point given by Prakash soul here. [actually, i have not gathered Murli points on Advance Party at all. And, not sure whether i am going to do. Because there is no need since PBKs have failed here in the beginning itself. but, i may also collect- if interested for self study]

* - It is really surprising when you ask such questions. It is as good as when something is said, you are assuming different thing. Hence I feel- Sometimes you are not able to understand the simplest of simple things.
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Re: Advance Party???

Post by arjun » 19 Dec 2012

I had mentioned one Murli point here - flaw no. 43 below

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=43707&hilit=blood#p43707

where PBKs have been not able to discuss/explain even a little bit.
Already discussed several times on this forum and answered in that topic also. We are not here to give you publicity.
So- without explaining the point, PBKs give judgement. Actually, they should be able to explain the points sentence by sentence and then prove their claims. else just by saying the points prove the claims of PBKs has no meaning.
The gist of the point has been explained twice and also advised you that if you think that Advance Party consists of only dead BKs, then nobody is preventing you to leave your body to join the Advance Party. We don't want to be part of such Advance Party. For us ShivBaba says that Advance Party is here in this world with ShivBaba studying advance knowledge from Him and trying to inculcate the same.

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Re: Advance Party???

Post by arjun » 19 Dec 2012

Adhyatmik Ishwariya Vishwavidyalay means Advance Party

In the 5000 years old human world drama cycle consisting of four ages, the Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva enters into an ordinary human being in the smallest but highest age, i.e. Purushottam Sangamyug (Confluence Age) and establishes a unique Godly University. First of all, the Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva enters into the body of Sevakram, the business partner of Dada Lekhraj, (the founder of Brahmakumaris Institution) in Calcutta in 1936-37 and who explained the meaning of the divine visions caused to Dada Lekhraj and establishes a Godly family, in which Spiritual Mother-Father and spiritual children are included. The task of this Godly family (called Om Mandali) shifts to Sindh, Pakistan, where it expands and gets publicized. Here, after a few years' work, Dada Lekhraj's partner, the spiritual mother and many members of the above mentioned Godly family expired. Then, this Godly family shifts its base to Mount Abu, Rajasthan.

The Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva plays the role of a mother through Dada Lekhraj at Mount Abu, and establishes the Brahmakumari Vidyalaya to give the basic knowledge of the soul, Supreme Soul and the beginning, middle and end of the world drama wheel in the same way as any mother in the world gives the basic knowledge to her child before sending him/her to school for formal education. But just as a child who receives only the pampering of a mother, may also get spoilt, similarly the mother's role played through Dada Lekhraj (alias Brahma) led to many of the Brahmakumar-kumari-like Godly children getting spoilt. Then, after the death of Dada Lekhraj in 1969, the Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva changed his place as well as form. The Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva was revealed in Delhi in 1976 through the new body of the soul of the partner, through whom He commenced the role of a disciplinarian Father. In order to guide the Brahmakumar-kumaris, who have strayed from their objectives, to narrate the advanced and deepest spiritual knowledge and to accomplish the unfinished task of world transformation the Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva established the Adhyatmik Ishwariya Vishwavidyalay (Spiritual Godly University), whose Headquarters are located in Farrukhabad, Uttar Pradesh.

Adhyatmik Ishwariya Vishwavidyalay is called Advance Party because the spiritual mother and Father and other members of the Om Mandali who left their mortal bodies or the Godly family between 1936-37 and 1948 or those who received the Godly message in the Sindh area, become members of the Adhyatmik Ishwariya Vishwavidyalay established by Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva in 1982-83 to complete their unfinished spiritual quest or efforts with the same body or by taking rebirth with different names and forms. Since these souls separate from the Godly family established in the Confluence Age in advance, i.e. very early and then take rebirth and make very advanced, i.e. high quality efforts through a new body, and listen to the advanced (i.e. highest and deepest) knowledge face to face from Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva. That is why the group of these souls is called Advance Party or Adhyatmik Ishwariya Vishwa Vidyalaya. Since these souls make efforts to live like a lotus not in a pure atmosphere of a hermitage but amidst puddle-like households; since they, in spite of being vicious like the monkeys, side with the Supreme Soul Ram, who is in an ordinary body-like costume; and since these Souls recognize the Murlidhar (beholder of flute) Supreme Soul, who plays the wonderful flute of knowledge in spite of being banished from the Brahmakumari Ashrams like the Pandavas, they are praised in the mythological scriptures written from Copper Age onwards as the Ram's Army of monkeys or the Pandava Army of Gita Sermonizer God (unknown non-violent warriors).

There are direct or indirect references of the Advance Party in the flutes of knowledge (muralis) narrated by the Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva through Dada Lekhraj from 1951 to 1969 and in the Avyakt Vanis narrated by the soul of Dada Lekhraj through the body of B.K.Gulzar Dadi since 1969, through which one can recognize the wonderful and beneficial role of the Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva and obtain the inheritance of Godly knowledge, virtues and powers.

Related Avyakt Vani and Gyan Murli points:
1. "The beginning of Godly task in Calcutta: "The land of revelation of Father Brahma is Calcutta only, is not it.....When the land of revelation of Father Brahma is Calcutta, then which land will be the land of revelation of Baapdada? Will it be Calcutta? The place where the beginning was made should also bring the end." - A.V.18.01.05
2. "The role of mother through Dada Lekhraj (Brahma): "Your elder mother is Brahma, but many children have not recognized fully."- Murli dtd 1.5.73
3. "The present corporeal medium of Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva: "Prajapita Brahma should certainly be present here at the Confluence Age of the Kalpa (cycle of 5000 years). Only then will the new world of Brahmins be created." - Murli dated 17.3.78
4. "Shiva does not enter B.K.Gulzar Dadi: "When the Father is highest then he must enter into the body of a King or a pure sage. Monks are pure. Father can come in the body of a pure spinster, but it is against the rule. He is Father, then how can he ride in a spinster? Father explains that in whom do I enter. I come in that person who takes complete 84 births. Not even a single day less." - Murli dated 15.10.69 (Gulzar Dadi is a spinster and Dada Lekhraj has not taken rebirth after leaving his body, then through which body will the incorporeal Shiva get revealed in the form of Father?)
5. The present Confluence-Aged task of the Advance Party is in this world itself:
A. "The group of Advance Party, even in that party the special famous souls, their gathering is very strong. The wonderful part of preparing the ground for the high birth, first birth is taking place at a fast pace." Avyakt Vani dated 18.1.80
B. "They (Advance Party) are strengthening their gathering. Their task will also get revealed along with your task." - A.V. dated 18.1.85
C. "What is the task of Advance Party, which is going on? They will prepare the entire field for you people. Whether you go to their family or not, but they will become instrumental for the task of establishment, which has to take place, They will assume such powers, through which they will become helpful in the task of establishment." - A.V, dated 10.7.78
D. "Advance Party is doing service by changing their corporeal bodies, but some souls play their roles till the end through the corporeal as well as unmanifest (Avyakt) form." A.V. dated 25.1.80
E. "Many children are going in advance. One should not feel bad. They will go and receive. Time is also required to receive. Mother and Father must depart first, is not it?" - Murli dated 27.2.73
6. "I come in a gathering of monkeys. I never come in a gathering of deities." - Murli dated 15.8.76

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Re: Advance Party???

Post by arjun » 19 Dec 2012

[actually, i have not gathered Murli points on Advance Party at all. And, not sure whether i am going to do. Because there is no need since PBKs have failed here in the beginning itself. but, i may also collect- if interested for self study]
There are numerous points from Avyakt Vanis regarding Advance Party which apply only to the PBKs. I will quote soon. (or may be roy Bhai can help me).

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Re: Advance Party???

Post by arjun » 19 Dec 2012

Since mbbhat is crying and fighting like a child to get the interpretation of the lines of trance message quoted by prakash Bhai I will provide the same to the extent I have understood:
The Advance Party souls have taken birth at such places/people so that they will become nimitt for the preparation. They (the familes where Advance Party souls have taken birth) will be of variety types. Some will be devotee souls, some will be of those who will cooperate in getting kingdom, some will be rich but have no position- but having contact with those who have position. So- Advance Party souls have taken birth at such souls/people.
There are all kinds of PBKs - some with Bhakti sanskars, some with sanskars of kingship, some with sanskars of prosperous persons. But all of them are ordinary souls.
They will not be able to give knowledge by their power or youth(not clear, mostly means even if they are adult, they will not be able to give knowledge) relation. But, by their vibration and their authority of giving suggestions/directions. Their words/speech of authority would be such that their parents and those who are their contact/relation would feel the directions of them is good. By their authority of giving directions, by love, by character of childhood, by the speciality of dharna of their life, they make others cooperative. They will not become BK and give knowledge directly or teach Yoga, but by practical dharna, they will influence. They will bring in contact, but will not give knowledge by themselves. This is also different forms of service.
PBKs do not have the power to give knowledge directly because they are considered very ordinary by the BK bigwigs, but they have the authority of knowledge of the practical part of ShivBaba.
BTW, by one or other ways, forms, relations or by relation through service they also (sometimes) meet together, but without knowing (each other that they had been BKs in past birth).
All PBKs have been BKs in their past life, but are not aware as to exactly what role each one of them played in the past birth in the initial days of the Yagya.

Although neither the original Hindi version nor the English translation provided by prakash and mbbhat are authentic, yet I have tried to explain just to satisfy the child mbbhat.

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Re: Advance Party???

Post by fluffy bunny » 19 Dec 2012

arjun wrote:It is just a trance message. It is neither a Murli nor an Avyakt Vani ...
Thank you for your accuracy.

As a trance message it carries little weight. It will more likely be just one of the senior sisters making things up to entertain the followers.

Not even the BKWSU trusts trance messengers any more, which is why they have largely stopped the practise.
mbbhat wrote:You are not able to understand the point. You are asking/challenging BKWSU to build a nuclear power station*. What are you thinking about and what does the above points say?

Please let this be the last time I have to write this ...

Of course I can *understand* what has been written. It is childishly simple. I don't *accept* it because it is neither probable, nor logical.

What the PBKs says is that Lekhraj Kirpalani was confused and did not understand the vision he had. He had to have someone else explain them to him, or had to have spirits explain to him via other mediums. (We know this to be true as even the BKWSU records it).

I can *accept* Lekhraj Kirpalani *did* have visions and I can *accept* he was confused and did not understand them.

What is far more logical and probable is that his visions of high technology, flying machines, wars, "palaces" etc were visions of today's BKWSU and he and they have mixed up and confused them.

Let's look at this logically ...

The BKs say heaven in nuclear powered ... and a 'new, improved, safe nuclear power' at that.

OK, to develop a new school of physics, new technologies, to mine new materials, to build factories, to build power plants etc etc etc all takes time. No magic wave of the wand will create them.

To build *one* nuclear power station takes about 10 years.

  • How many do you need to power 900,000 people's palaces and their flying machines? Let's work it out practically ...


But ... before you do ... give me a rough figure for how long it is going to take to clear up all the mess after Destruction?

In Japan, a tsunami recently killed about 20,000 and the homes of merely 450,000 people. It is estimated that the clear up will take decades at the cost of $100 millions.

OK, we can take those figures to make a rough calculation and timescale of the costs, times and materials of clearing up 1,200,000,000 lives in India, all the way from Nepal in the Himalayas to Sri Lanka.

  • Now ... you fit all that into the 25 years the BKs have left before the start of Heaven in 2036 even roughly.


You cannot. It's impossible. It's a joke to even suggest it is possible, and it's more of a joke because Destruction was meant to be in 1950, 1976, 1986 and so on, so ...

  • a) Either BK Knowledge is total garbage and it is all one big con trick, or
    b) There has to be a better interpretation or explanation of what it means.

Which is it?

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