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Questions for Brother 'Shivsena'

Post by cal » 14 Jan 2019

Dear Shivsena Bhai,

Why is Prajapita Brahma called Great-Great-Grandfather?

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Re: Questions for Brother 'Shivsena'

Post by Adam » 15 Jan 2019

cal wrote:Why is Prajapita Brahma called Great-Great-Grandfather?
And, more significantly, who is real Prajapita Brahma?

Until Shivsena is in a position to respond, here is our analytical take, based on extensive scrutiny of what has transpired on this forum, thus far.

The question itself is relative, and hence cannot have an absolute answer, which would be readily acceptable to, or appreciated by, everyone concerned.

The Cycle of 5000 years duration has two distinct halves, being the Day of Brahma, and the Night of Brahma; and the Night of Brahma has ten major distinct ideologies, considered to be the ten heads of Ravan, in a subtler sense.

For the elevated souls of the deity religion, or the prominent religio-political ruler souls of Ramrajya, the first prince of Golden Age, who is Shri Krishna, who becomes the first sovereign, Shri Narayan of Golden Age, and who is the soul of Brahma Baba in Confluence Age, is Prajapita Brahma, who becomes the great-great-grandfather for all subsequent generations, until the end of Silver Age. For the second generation he would be the father; for the third, the grand-Father; for the fourth, the great-grandfather; for the fifth, the great-great-grandfather; and so on.

Similarly, for the prominent political ruler souls of Ravan Rajya, the last sovereign of Silver Age, who is the soul of Baba Dixit, and who is present in the same corporeal body during the change from Ramrajya to Ravan Rajya, during the confluence of Silver Age and Copper Age, would be Prajapita Brahma, worshipped as Rama during Ravan Rajya, who becomes the great-great-grandfather for all subsequent generations, until the end of iron age, and who is considered to be Bhagwan in corporeal form, in the absence of the ability to relate to real incorporeal Bhagwan or God, owing to body-consciousness.

Similarly, for each of the other nine distinct major religious ideologies of Ravan Rajya, the corresponding prominent political ruler souls affiliated to their own respective major religious ideology, would consider their own respective religious head as Prajapita (Brahma), who would become the great-great-grandfather for all subsequent generations, until the end of iron age, for that particular respective major religious ideology of Ravan Rajya, or that particular respective main Branch of the Tree.

Hence, there is only one Prajapita Brahma, representing Ramrajya, being the soul of Brahma Baba.

While, there are ten prominent Prajapita (Brahma), representing Ravan Rajya, the head of all of them being the last sovereign of Silver Age, who is the soul of Baba Dixit, worshipped as Rama during Ravan Rajya; and his counterpart being the first sovereign of Copper Age, being the corporeal offspring of the last sovereign of Silver Age, who is the soul of Brahma Baba, worshipped as Krishna during Ravan Rajya; with four each Prajapita (Brahma), representing the four major religious or philosophical ideologies on either side of the Tree, Gautam (Buddha) being one of such Prajapita, and Jesus (Christ) being another, for which relevant Sakar Murli points have been posted by golden heart on this forum.

The souls who are involved with the study of these subtle aspects of knowledge would be regarded to be in the Vishnu clan during Confluence Age, who are involved with the deeper comprehension of the connection between the Day of Brahma and the Night of Brahma; and the inter-connection between the ten distinct major religious ideologies of the Cycle during the Night of Brahma; and who would have no conflict with the propagation of any of the individual ideologies in question, owing to their appropriate comprehension of their inter-connectivity.

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Re: Questions for Brother 'Shivsena'

Post by cal » 15 Jan 2019

Thank you Dear Adam Bhai:

In my study, Prajapita and Prajapita Brahma are Different.
To me Prajapita is DL (Krishna). He is NOT great great grand Father.
Shiv and Prajapita Brahma are the highest authority. Prajapita Brahma (not Krishna) is great great grand Father.

BTW what is your status? BK PBK etc.?

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Re: Questions for Brother 'Shivsena'

Post by Adam » 17 Jan 2019

Adam wrote:And, more significantly, who is real Prajapita Brahma?

The question itself is relative, and hence cannot have an absolute answer, which would be readily acceptable to, or appreciated by, everyone concerned.
From the post itself, it is quite evident that any member affiliated to any particular group, without proper comprehension and awareness of the whole system, would accept only their own head as Prajapita Brahma, or Prajapita; whom they would readily believe to be the highest authority; in which case they would not accept the head of any other group to have the same status; and this is quite in order, within the system.

Status is evident from information on top rhs of post, and also from the last paragraph of concerned preceding post, and also from first paragraph of post in link – http://www.bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f= ... 506#p53506

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Re: Questions for Brother 'Shivsena'

Post by shivsena » 27 Jul 2019

cal wrote:
14 Jan 2019
Dear Shivsena Bhai,

Why is Prajapita Brahma called Great-Great-Grandfather?
Dear cal Bhai.

My manthan about prajapita. (Lekhraj Kirpalani)

Prajapita is Father of humanity for 1st generation of Satyug taking 84 births.

Prajapita is grandfather of 2nd generation of Satyug taking 83 births.

Prajapita is great grandfather of 3rd generation of Satyug taking 82 births.

Prajapita is great great grandfather of 4th generation of Satyug taking 81 births.... And so on and so forth.

All the generation of Satyug will be revealed in near future as different groups of dehdhari gurus (Virendra Dev Dixit-dashrath-pankaj-etc)... All other groups will leave their bodies.. Except the first generation 916108 who will become manushya se devta in one second.

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Re: Questions for Brother 'Shivsena'

Post by destroy old world » 29 Jul 2019

Dear Shivsena Bhai,

We would be grateful to you if you could kindly clarify the following –

A) If we accept that the soul of Shri Krishna, who is the same soul of Brahma Baba (Lekhraj Kirpalani), is Prajapita, who is the Father of humanity for 1st generation 9,16,108 souls of Satyug, who become ‘manushya se devta’ in one second, who take 84 births -
1) should this not occur, through the pure corporeal body of the soul of Shri Krishna – after the birth of Shri Krishna (soul of Brahma Baba) - and through the pure corporeal bodies of all souls who take birth immediately after Shri Krishna?
2) what about the generation of the souls, along with Shri Krishna, (who is the soul of Brahma Baba), who are instruments to give birth to the above 1st generation souls (according to you)? Would not that generation also be in Satyug – since birth of Shri Krishna (soul of Brahma Baba, or Lekhraj Kirpalani) is considered to be in Satyug, as per Murlis? If so, should the generation of the souls, along with Shri Krishna (soul of Brahma Baba), not be considered to be the 1st generation, who take full 84 births – since Shri Krishna has been declared to take the full 84 births, as per Murlis?

B) If the generation of the souls, along with Shri Krishna, is to be considered as the 1st generation, who take the full 84 births, then –
1) the generation which takes birth through the pure corporeal body of Shri Krishna (soul of Brahma Baba), (and all others along with Shri Krishna), would be the 2nd generation, who take births during the middle age of Shri Krishna, (and all others along with Shri Krishna) - and this 2nd generation souls would take 83 births (and not 84 births, as you have mentioned) – do you agree?
2) in this case, the 2nd generation of souls would regard the soul of Shri Krishna (soul of Brahma Baba) as Father (and not grandfather) – do you agree?

C) If the generation of the souls, along with Shri Krishna, is to be considered as the 1st generation, who take full 84 births, then –
1) the corporeal father of Shri Krishna, and the parents of all other such 1st generation souls, (who are in partially pure bodies), would also necessarily have to be in Satyug – AFTER Shri Krishna and all others take birth – in order to take care of them, until they have grown up into adults – do you agree?
2) since the corporeal father of Shri Krishna (and the parents of all other such 1st generation souls) would be known to Shri Krishna, (and to all others who are along with Shri Krishna) therefore the soul of the corporeal father of Shri Krishna would have to be acknowledged as the Father of humanity, or Prajapita, by the soul of Shri Krishna, and all other souls of this 1st generation – do you agree?
3) in this case, the 2nd generation of souls would have to regard the soul of Shri Krishna (soul of Brahma Baba) as Father, and the soul of the corporeal father of Shri Krishna as their grandfather – do you agree?

Once we have your clear understanding and clarifications on above, we could then continue further. Thank you.

Om Shanti.

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Re: Questions for Brother 'Shivsena'

Post by destroy old world » 30 Jul 2019

From viewtopic.php?f=37&p=54189#p54189

shivsena wrote: SM Revised on 25.07.2019
“बच्चे अब जानते हैं शिवबाबा की जयन्ती सो नये विश्व की जयन्ती। उसमें पवित्रता-सुख-शान्ति सब कुछ आ जाता है। शिवजयन्ती सो कृष्ण जयन्ती, सो दशहरा जयन्ती। शिवजयन्ती सो दीपमाला जयन्ती, शिवजयन्ती सो स्वर्ग जयन्ती। सब जयन्तियां आ जाती हैं। यह सब नई बातें बाप बैठ समझाते हैं। शिव जयन्ती सो शिवालय जयन्ती, वैश्यालय मरन्ती।”
“Now, you children know that Shiv Baba's jayanti (birth) means the Jayanti (birth) of the new world. Purity, peace and happiness are all included in that. Shiv Jayanti is Krishna Jayanti, which is also Dashera Jayanti. Shiv Jayanti is also Deepmala Jayanti. Shiv Jayanti is also the birth of heaven. All the births come together. The Father sits here and explains all of these new things. Shiv Jayanti means the birth of the temple of Shiva (Golden Age) and death of the brothel (Iron Age).”

Shiv-jayanti neither took place in 1936.. Nor did it take place in 1976 ..

In the near future, all the births will take place along with Shiv-jayanti .. and the new Cycle will begin.

‘Truth alone triumphs’.

Dear Shivsena Bhai,

It appears logical to consider that (a) the death of the brothel, or Iron Age, or Ravan Rajya; (b) the birth of Dashera, which means the death of Ravan; (c) the birth (beginning) of the new world; (d) the birth of the temple of Shiva, or Golden Age; (e) the birth of heaven, or new world; (f) the birth of Deepmala, or Vishnu mala – will all take place PRACTICALLY together, simultaneously along with the birth of Shri Krishna, when Golden Age is considered to commence – the 1st birth, out of the 21 births of RamRajya.
But if the Birth of Shiva also takes place along with the birth of Shri Krishna – then would Shiva take birth through the Pure corporeal body of Shri Krishna, or through the partially impure corporeal body of the corporeal father of Shri Krishna? In the latter case, would Shiva continue to be on earth until Shri Krishna ascends the throne, about 24 years later, to finally hand over the religio-political power, or Godly power, to him, through the corporeal body of the father of Shri Krishna? Would Shiva not go back to the Soul World along with all other souls after the ‘death of the brothel’ (vaishalaya maranti), when Shri Krishna takes birth?

Your valuable comments are awaited.

Om Shanti.
‘Satya-meva-jayete’.

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