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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by shivsena » 07 Jun 2015

To all pbk-souls.

According to Murlis 4-arms of Vishnu represent Lakshmi-Narayan combined.
In the picture below, 4-armed Vishnu is lying on shesh-nag ki shayya and Lakshmi is pressing the feet of Vishnu.
Who is this Lakshmi pressing the feet of Vishnu and who is Vishnu ??

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by karan » 08 Jun 2015

arjun wrote:You may mark me wrong, but on the path of Bhakti, if you ask the experts on Hindu scriptures, they will tell you that Shivling is a combined form of Shankar and Parvati.
karan wrote:Similarly, if you ask those experts, they will tell you that God of Gita is Krishna and Kalpa is lakhs of years.
arjun wrote:Yes, the shooting for the same also takes place in the world of alokik Brahmins where they consider Lekhraj Kirpalani to be the God of Gita or at least show to the world that he is.
With regard to 'Shivling being the combined form of Shankar and Parvati', you had VERY CONVENIENTLY written as if you CONSIDERED the statement of the experts of YOUR lokik Hindu scriptures to be RIGHT.
But with regard to 'God of Gita being Krishna', and 'duration of Kalpa being lakhs of years', you SUDDENLY do a COMPLETE VOLTE-FACE by not agreeing to experts of YOUR lokik Hindu scriptures, and consider them to be WRONG! Is this NOT A DOUBLE GAME being CONVENIENTLY PLAYED by YOU???

Murli point says it would not have been 'COMPLETELY' wrong for them to consider 'at least' Brahma as God of Knowledge (Gita); If not Shiv - who is the ACTUAL God of Knowledge (TRUE Gita)!
See the Murli point No. 01 - Topic No. 66 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... dley#p9508
(Because Brahma is mostly combined with Shiv, when Shiv speaks the Knowledge through Brahma.
Brahma has the Knowledge given by Shiv; but Krishna neither has Knowledge, nor is ever combined with Shiv).
Here ShivBaba's intention is that it would not have been 'COMPLETELY' wrong for them to consider 'at least' Brahma as God of Knowledge (Gita), but DEFINITELY Krishna CANNOT be considered as God of Knowledge (Gita), which is COMPLETELY WRONG, since Shiv is not DIRECTLY connected with Krishna!
arjun wrote:Similarly, they tell the world that the world is going to be destroyed but are building luxurious palaces for themselves. So, in a way they show to the world that the world is not going to end.
FIRSTLY, they are NOT PALACES; SECONDLY, they are NOT LUXURIOUS; THIRDLY, they are NOT FOR THEMSELVES, since they come and go; and ANYONE who is WORTHY has the RIGHT to use them.
The buildings are for purpose of expanding Service and for the end period of time (asylum). ShivBaba has CLARIFIED in several Murlis regarding this matter, when such questions/doubts were brought up several times earlier!
It APPEARS that students of AIVV are made to THRIVE on a LOT OF LIES???

BTW, in this forum, it is also mentioned that PBKs have also started owning buildings. Some member has already pointed it out. So, why the DOUBLE TALK???

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by arjun » 08 Jun 2015

karan wrote:Similarly, if you ask those experts, they will tell you that God of Gita is Krishna and Kalpa is lakhs of years.
I have already explained why people on the path of Bhakti consider God of Gita to be Krishna and Kalpa to be lakhs of years because of the shooting/rehearsal taking place in the world of Brahmins (by BKs).
With regard to 'Shivling being the combined form of Shankar and Parvati', you had VERY CONVENIENTLY written as if you CONSIDERED the statement of the experts of YOUR lokik Hindu scriptures to be RIGHT.
But with regard to 'God of Gita being Krishna', and 'duration of Kalpa being lakhs of years', you SUDDENLY do a COMPLETE VOLTE-FACE by not agreeing to experts of YOUR lokik Hindu scriptures, and consider them to be WRONG! Is this NOT A DOUBLE GAME being CONVENIENTLY PLAYED by YOU???
Not at all. I have already explained. It is upto you to accept or reject. No use of arguments.
FIRSTLY, they are NOT PALACES; SECONDLY, they are NOT LUXURIOUS; THIRDLY, they are NOT FOR THEMSELVES, since they come and go; and ANYONE who is WORTHY has the RIGHT to use them.
The buildings are for purpose of expanding Service and for the end period of time (asylum). ShivBaba has CLARIFIED in several Murlis regarding this matter, when such questions/doubts were brought up several times earlier!
It APPEARS that students of AIVV are made to THRIVE on a LOT OF LIES???

BTW, in this forum, it is also mentioned that PBKs have also started owning buildings. Some member has already pointed it out. So, why the DOUBLE TALK???
People of the world and I have seen for myself the difference between the buildings of BKs and PBKs. So, there is no question of double talk.
I have already clarified about the buildings of PBKs that except for the buildings at Kampil and Delhi all other buildings are owned by the individual PBKs who have donated the buildings for use by AIVV for some years. Ownership is with the individual PBKs. But in case of BKWSU, they own thousands of luxurious buildings where very few BKs live.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by khemkaran » 08 Jun 2015

Om Shanti, Arjun Bhai,
khemkaran Bhai, thanks for sharing your churning with us. Prima-facie your churning seems to be a result of study of Advanced Knowledge as propagated by the PBKs.

As regards the Shivling being the memorial of just the incorporeal point of light, I do not agree with you because the ling does not represent just the incorporeal Father but also the corporeal Father Prajapita Brahma who is revealed to the world in an incorporeal stage (of Shankar) in the end. Some see Shiv within Shankar and some are able to see only Shankar in an incorporeal stage. That is why they mix up Shiv and Shankar. Shankar is always shown in tapasya or Yaad. And Yaad (remembrance) is not an action. Actions are performed through the hands and legs when the body moves. If you remove the hands and legs from a body, whatever remains is in the shape of a ling only. So, the ling represents the incorporeal Father Shiv within Shankar who is in an incorporeal stage. This is the churning of the PBKs.
It is upto you to accept or reject the same.
I did not study PBK Advance Knowledge. Prima-facie, PBK Advance Knowledge appears to be based on TamoPradhan Bhakti INTERPRETATIONS, by misguided BKs only. Virendra Dev Dixit does not have any qualifications of Shankar, according to Bhakti Marg. Virendra Dev Dixit only narrates the Knowledge already given by Shiv through Brahma, and INTERPRETS same based on TamoPradhan Bhakti MEMORIALS & CONCEPTS. How long can Virendra Dev Dixit ACTUALLY stay in Tapasya, other than simply what you like to 'BELIEVE', rather than actually EXPERIENCE? So you should not compare Virendra Dev Dixit with Shankar, since in the subject of remembrance - he is a failure!
You mean only Virendra Dev Dixit has the right of Tapasya, and others have no right of Tapasya - on the basis of your churning?
I think all of us have also a right of Tapasya of incorporeal stage; so, according to your churning - Shivling should represent us also???

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by arjun » 08 Jun 2015

khemkaran wrote:You mean only Veerendra Dev Dixit has the right of Tapasya, and others have no right of Tapasya - on the basis of your churning?
I think all of us have also a right of Tapasya of incorporeal stage; so, according to your churning - Shivling should represent us also???
Nobody has stopped you from becoming Shankar. You have full rights to become Shankar, do tapasya and to be worshipped as Shivling. Please go ahead Khemkaran Bhai!!!! :D

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Post by khemkaran » 09 Jun 2015

arjun wrote: Please go ahead Khemkaran Bhai!!!!
There is NO NEED for your advice 'to go ahead'! You may go ahead in the direction of your personal choice, no one can stop you!

But there is a DEFINITE NEED for ALL CONCERNED to CHURN the Knowledge in a Sato Pradhan way,
and NOT in a Tamo Pradhan way - for their OWN BENEFIT!

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by karan » 10 Jun 2015

Dear Khemkaran soul,

We should not make any personal comment. Some PBKs and some ex BKs will do it, and have done it lot of times. They had done it for some members here when they failed to reply. And then later, the BK members too would begin to reply in the same tone, and , then it turns into a severe clash.

And we BKs have the highest responsibility of loving and pardoning even all ex BKs and PBKs. Ball will always lie in our court. Of course, they will never try to lift their ball. Because they are blind. We are just putting some points, and those who wish to read, let them read. Our aim is not to argue personally, since many others read the posts which we are writing. Readers will judge automatically the sarcastic nature of concerned members. That ball is always on the court of the readers.

So just try to put some great clear comment and move on. [EXCELLENT comment what you have put is - for example - if we churn Tamopradhan Bhakti, it woud lead to adulterated Knowledge - something like that]. Anyhow, your points are great enough. But, put your seeds of Knowledge and just move on.

Sorry for the advice though, since Baba is with you and you know better than me. This was just in a lighter vein!

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by sita » 10 Jun 2015

I don't mind people telling me what they think about me and my behavior, even personal and non pleasant matters, It is better we say them and even say them straight, we can reform this way. I would rather advice people not make general comments.....BK....PBK, there are different people everywhere.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by arjun » 10 Jun 2015

khemkaran wrote:There is NO NEED for your advice 'to go ahead'! You may go ahead in the direction of your personal choice, no one can stop you!
My reply to your above comment made yesterday has once again been deleted by the Admin.
It is strange that while he continues to allow golden heart to use the most filthy language, he has started deleting my comments even if there is nothing objectionable. Let me see if the Admin deletes this post as well or not.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by karan » 11 Jun 2015

arjun wrote:My reply to your above comment made yesterday has once again been deleted by the Admin.
Some members simply write/comment, when there is no need of them, just to prove that they are able to respond, and thereby create garbage in the forum. It is better to delete such posts which carry no Gyan or information, or have any value in them.

I do not know what was the content in your post.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by shivsena » 11 Jun 2015

To all PBKs.

Murli 10-6-15 says: " विराट रूप भी है, परन्तु उसमें ब्राह्मणों को और शिवबाबा को उड़ा दिया है। अर्थ कुछ भी नहीं समझते हैं। "
[English translation from English Murli: "There is the picture of the variety form, but Brahmins and Shiv Baba have been removed from that. No one understands the meaning of that picture at all."]

Why are Brahmins and ShivBaba not shown in Viraat roop of Bhagwan ?
Who is going to be revealed as Viraat roop of Bhagwan in future ?? ...Is it suxma Brahma-Krishna's soul ??

Please share your views.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by arjun » 11 Jun 2015

shivsena wrote:Murli 10-6-15 says: " विराट रूप भी है, परन्तु उसमें ब्राह्मणों को और शिवबाबा को उड़ा दिया है। अर्थ कुछ भी नहीं समझते हैं। "
[English translation from English Murli: "There is the picture of the variety form, but Brahmins and Shiv Baba have been removed from that. No one understands the meaning of that picture at all."]

Why are Brahmins and ShivBaba not shown in Viraat roop of Bhagwan ?
Who is going to be revealed as Viraat roop of Bhagwan in future ?? ...Is it suxma Brahma-Krishna's soul ??
Brahmins have been removed because their stage keeps on oscillating up and down. And ShivBaba has been removed because of the misconsception among the BKs almost throughout the Confluence Age that the soul of Krishna (Dada Lekhraj) is everything (all the three personalities of Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar).

The mukarrar rath (permanent Chariot) of ShivBaba who is going to be revealed in the end of the Confluence Age will be revealed as the Viraat roop (gigantic form).

According to Shweteshwatara Upanishad Lord Rudra is above Viraat.

“tataH paraM brahma paraM bR^ihanta.n yathaanikaaya.n sarvabhuuteshhu guuDham.h .
vishvasyaikaM pariveshhTitaaramiisha.n ta.n GYaatvaa.amR^itaa bhavanti |” (Svetaswatara Upanishad 3:07)

“ततः परं ब्रह्म परं बृहन्तं यथानिकायं सर्वभूतेषु गूढ़म्।
विश्वस्यैकं परिवेश्टितारमीशं तं ज्ञात्वाSमृता भवन्ति।” (श्वेतश्वतर उपनिषद् 3:07)

“The Supreme Lord Rudra is higher than Virat, beyond Hiranyagarbha. He is vast and is hidden in the bodies of all living beings. By knowing Him who alone pervades the universe, men become immortal”.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by shivsena » 12 Jun 2015

arjun wrote: “The Supreme Lord Rudra is higher than Virat, beyond Hiranyagarbha. He is vast and is hidden in the bodies of all living beings. By knowing Him who alone pervades the universe, men become immortal”.
All the pictures of viraat roop i have seen are of Vishnu and Krishna, never of Rudra Shankar....in the above picture also Shankar-rudra is shown as a part of viraat roop of Krishna...can you post any picture of rudra-Shankar as viraat roop.

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Post by khemkaran » 12 Jun 2015

Om Shanti, Karan Bhai,
karan wrote: So just try to put some great clear comment and move on. [EXCELLENT comment what you have put is - for example - if we churn Tamopradhan Bhakti, it woud lead to adulterated Knowledge - something like that]. Anyhow, your points are great enough. But, put your seeds of Knowledge and just move on.
We should DISCRIMINATE between the VARIOUS stages of Bhakti - namely -
(SatoPradhan, Sato, Rajo, Tamo & TamoPradhan).
We should FIRST CHURN the PURE or SatoPradhan Knowledge given by ShivBaba, and THEN try to interpret or understand the VARIOUS stages of Bhakti accordingly, for conveying the Knowledge to the souls of the outer world, from THEIR perspective;
We should NOT FIRST CHURN the IMPURE or TamoPradhan Bhakti concepts of the outer world, and THEN try to interpret or understand the PURE or SatoPradhan Knowledge given by ShivBaba, for CLARIFYING the Knowledge to Brhamin souls;
(which is the case with Virendra Dev Dixit and the PBKs - a 'ulta' or 'reverse' process!)
We should not be PRIMARILY INFLUENCED by TamoPradhan Bhakti, in INTERPRETING and understanding the Satopradhan Knowledge, because we want to achieve our final stage of complete Angel/Farishta of Golden Age.
ONE may choose what one desires or wishes, and get the result of one's choice, accordingly.

My comment was - If you churn The PURE Knowledge from Shiv on the basis of TAMOPRADHAN (CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED & DEGRADED) INTERPRETATIONS of the path of Bhakti, that would LEAD you ONLY to the TAMOPRADHAN essence of Godly Knowledge; or PURE Knowledge from Shiv, which has been CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED & DEGRADED with the Mayavimat, Kumat, Manmat and Parmat of BODILY BEINGS, over a period of Time in Sangam Yug! So ONE NEEDS to DECIDE what EXACTLY one wants!
Revised SM 12.06.2015 wrote: और कोई बात से तुम्हारा तैलुक नहीं। सिर्फ दो बातें हैं अल्फ और बे, बादशाही। अल्फ भगवान को कहा जाता है।
You have no connection with anything else. There are just two things: Alpha and Beta, the Sovereignty.
God is called Alpha.
According to PURE or SatoPradhan Knowledge given by ShivBaba, Alaf or Alpha is Shiv or God.
According to IMPURE or TamoPradhan Knowledge of AIVV, based on interpretations of TamoPradhan Bhakti concepts, Alaf or Alpha is Virendra Dev Dixit???

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by arjun » 13 Jun 2015

khemkaran wrote:According to PURE or SatoPradhan Knowledge given by ShivBaba, Alaf or Alpha is Shiv or God.
According to IMPURE or TamoPradhan Knowledge of AIVV, based on interpretations of TamoPradhan Bhakti concepts, Alaf or Alpha is Veerendra Dev Dixit???
ShivBaba through Shankar explains that Alaf refers to the vertical line (in Urdu language) and Be refers to the horizontal line. The vertical line refers to a soul which keeps on standing in purusharth throughout the Confluence Age and the horizontal line represents the soul which leaves its purusharth when it leaves its body midway through the Confluence Age.
Apart from these two there is an important symbol in Urdu language and that is nukta or a dot. Most of the Urdu alphabets are written and pronounced only with this dot. This dot refers to the incorporeal Shiv.
As per basic knowledge BKs understood that Alaf represents Shiv, but in the advance knowledge it is clarified that Alaf refers to the permanent Chariot of Shiv who remains alive till the end of the Confluence Age. But that Alaf remains standing in purusharth only because of the entry of Shiv and due to knowledge given by Him through Alaf. Alaf (corporeal) and dot (incorporeal) are interdependent.

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