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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by mbbhat » 05 Jul 2019

destroy old world wrote:
05 Jul 2019
Brother shivsena has asked who is agyan ka saagar (ocean of ignorance) in Sangamyug, and not in Ravan Rajya!

When one asks about America, another should not reply about Africa!
But, if someone thinks America (agyaan kaa sagar) belongs to Asia only (Conf. Age ), then it needs correction.

And, I have mentioned the Murli points (sorry, do not have date, but they are popular).

Is there any Murli point which says- Agyaan kaa sagar belongs to only Conf. Age (and that too for or within BK-PBK family only???)

Conf. Age can belong to everything (unlimited), because it is Conf. of new and old worlds. Some are direct, some are indirectly related.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by destroy old world » 06 Jul 2019

mbbhat wrote:
05 Jul 2019
But, if someone thinks America (agyaan kaa sagar) belongs to Asia only (Conf. Age ), then it needs correction.
What made you instantly assume - (as a knee-jerk reaction, without proper reflection) - that someone thinks America (agyaan kaa sagar) belongs to Asia only (Conf. Age) - (which may, or may not have been actually true) - to then force you to believe - (as a matter of compulsion, rather than of due diligence) - that same needs immediate correction; and then force you to go about correcting, in an aggressively defensive manner - without considering whether same is appropriate or not; or whether same is actually necessary in the circumstances, or not?

Is this not a characteristic conduct of one who is under the active influence of the power of Ravan, or Maya?

No offence, of any nature, intended!

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by mbbhat » 08 Jul 2019

Summary-

Ocean of knowledge- = 3 - ShivBaba and Murli plus Braahmins (Master gyaan kaa sagar)

Ocean of ignorance (agyaan kaa sagar) = 3 - Ravan, scriptures plus lowkik Gurus.

But, yes you are right. We may add few more to agyaan kaa sagar- PBKs plus their Gurus, plus some part of science which believes in Big bang theory, carbon dating, etc, etc.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by shivsena » 30 Jul 2019

To all PBKs.

Aaj ki Murli 30-7-19 says:

"जब तुम अपनी नज़र बाप की नज़र से मिलाते हो तो नज़र मिलने से तुम्हारे सब दु:ख दूर हो जाते हैं क्योंकि अपने को आत्मा समझकर बाप को याद करने से सब पाप कट जाते हैं। यही है तुम्हारी याद की यात्रा।"

PBKs apne bap-Virendra Dev Dixit se 1976 se dhristi le rahe hai (nazar mila rahe hai).. Lekin ek bhi pbk ke dukh door hue hai kya ???

Please explain.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by shivsena » 10 Aug 2019

To all PBKs.

Murli 2-10-97 says: "सुक्ष्म-वतन-वासी तो है संपूर्ण ब्रह्मा ."
"Sukshma-vatan-wasi is complete Brahma."

PBKs believe that suxma Brahma is Lekhraj Kirpalani and that he is incomplete Brahma and is doing purusharth through the body of Virendra Dev Dixit after 1969....but the above point clearly says that the subtle Brahma is complete Brahma.

So why Virendra Dev Dixit's teachings do not tally with those of Murlis and why Virendra Dev Dixit hides such Murli points from PBKs....a question to be asked to guru-Virendra Dev Dixit by all PBKs ???

Om Shanti.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by shivsena » 18 Aug 2019

Question to all PBKs.

According to PBKs, Trimurti Shiv will be revealed by 3-jismani murtis as per pic below.....but the three jismani murtis are in 3 different worlds:
Kamla-devi(as brahma) is in lokik duniya .
Vedanti(as Vishnu) is in BKWSU.
..Virendra Dev Dixit-( as Shankar) is in Aivv..
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...so how can they be revealed as Trimurti Shiv ??? (When they are in different worlds and have different sanskars.)??????
....A question to be asked by all PBKs to themselves and to their guru-Virendra Dev Dixit.

Also does soul of BB enter kamla-devi... And does soul of Mama enter Vedanti. ??? (As shown in pic)
Can any pbk please explain
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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by shivsena » 29 Aug 2019

Question To all PBKs.

Does any Murli ever state that Ram takes full 84 births. ???

If this Murli is produced then I will believe that Virendra Dev Dixit is Ram's soul... Otherwise he is Ravan partdhari who is Islam dharm ka Prajapita and collecting his islamic praja by his ambiguous jismani adv-Gyan.

Can any pbk post the xerox of Murli which says Ram takes full 84 births.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by mbbhat » 30 Aug 2019

Does any Murli ever state that Ram takes full 84 births???.

Can any pbk post the xerox of Murli which says Ram takes full 84 births.
Very good point.

Mr. Dixit gave titles "Brahma and Krishna" to others, and took titles "Prajapita, Ram and Shankar" on himself. By hook or crook he teaches/preaches that the latter titles are superior to former ones.

But, he failed to notice the above question as well as below. In Murlis -

--word BRAHMA appears more than PRAJAPITA.
---Word Krishna appears more than Ram
---Word Brahma appears more than Shankar.
----Krishna takes full 84 births.

So, he fell into his own pit by defaming others.

BTW- A Murli point says/implies Ram and Sita (even if they come in the beginning), will first work as servants(noukri). They will get Kingdom later only.
My present belief is - Ram and Sita souls will not come in the VERY beginning of Golden Age, but are likely to come soon, but will have lower status in G Age. They will get higher status in Silver Age.

http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=39&t ... kri#p42088 - The Sakar Murli point 5-5-82 says initially some souls will do noukri (a lower status) then, they will get Kingdom.

Even in this Kalpa, we can see - at the last end (the last 300 to 500 years), other religions rule the world, not the aadi sanaatan religion. India's level goes down from 16th century. Till there, Bharat/India would be number one country.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by mbbhat » 01 Sep 2019

From - http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t= ... omb#p48287
Mr. Dixit c/o arjun wrote:It is because it is said in the Murli: Next to God is Prajapita, next to God is Krishna, next to God is Narayan [and] next to God is Shankar. Call him Shankar, call him Prajapita, call him the Confluence Age Krishna or Narayan it is one and the same thing.
Does any Murli point ever say- Ram is next to God?

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by destroy old world » 02 Sep 2019

Since Ram is God (Bhagwan), there is no question of Ram being NEXT to God (Bhagwan)!

View point 7 in viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2602&start=945#p53934
भक्ति का फल देने वाला है राम भगवान्।
It is RAMA, God (‘Bhagwan’), who gives the Fruit of Devotion.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by mbbhat » 02 Sep 2019

destroy old world wrote:
02 Sep 2019
Since Ram is God (Bhagwan), there is no question of Ram being NEXT to God (Bhagwan)!
View point 7 ...
That is incorporeal Ram (God).
But, we are discussing about human/deity Ram.

BTW- Mr. Dixit calls himself as Ram's soul. he says- He is Ram even now, as well as Ram in Silver Age. Don't you know that*? [Moreover, this topic is "Questions to PBKs"]

Kindly understand the context when one speaks/writes.
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* - If you are not aware, it is better to go through the "basic philosophy of PBKs" before interacting. Else, the discussion would have no meaning. This is neither an expectation, nor a direction, just a suggestion. You may accept or ignore. No problem.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by shivsena » 13 Sep 2019

To all PBKs.

Murli 11-10-03 says:

"Vishnu aur Shankar ko Baba nahi kahenge."
["Vishnu and Shankar cannot be called Baba."]

The above point clearly says that Shankar and Vishnu cannot be called Baba(as they do not give varsa)... but PBKs still insist that dehdhari Baba Dixit is playing the role of Shankar-Vishnu and they keep on calling him Baba....
Why so ??

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by xpbk » 13 Sep 2019

Actual point is,

ब्रह्मा भी बाबा, शिव भी बाबा| विष्णु और शंकर को बाबा नहीं कहेंगे|
Brahma is also Baba, Shiva is also Baba. Vishnu and Shankar would NOT be called Baba. (SM, Revised 15.1.75 )

Another one,
शिवबाबा मिलता ही ब्रह्मा द्वारा है| और कोई द्वारा कभी नहीं मिल सकते हैं| ब्रह्मा द्वारा स्थापना करते हैं| ब्रह्मा भी बाबा, शिव भी बाबा| विष्णु और शंकर को बाबा नहीं कहेंगे ना|
ShivBaba meets ONLY through Brahma (in Sakar). He can NEVER meet through anyone else (in Sakar). He establishes (the new world) through Brahma. Brahma is also Baba, Shiva is also Baba. Vishnu and Shankar would NOT be called Baba.
(SM 15.1.67 AM, at the end of page 3)

Got these points on whatsApp.

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Re: Questions for PBKs- Is Ram most beloved?

Post by mbbhat » 18 Sep 2019

1) A Murli point (almost in right words - sorry, do not have date now, but many would be knowing) says- "Most beloved hai do, ek hai Shiv, ek hai Krishn = Most beloved are two. One is Shiv, the other is Krishn. "

Is there any Murli point which says - Ram is most beloved?

2)- Similarly, the word- SUNDAR is attached only to two - to Shiv(satyam, Shivam Sundaram), and Sri Krishna(Shyam_Sundar).

Is there any Murli point which says - Ram is sundar or Shyamsundar at least?

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