SM & AV points for churning – Revised in 2020

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SM & AV points for churning – Revised in 2020

Post by Adam » 16 Sep 2020

Sakar Murli, Revised on 16.09.2020

तुम जानते हो हम रूहानी बाप के सामने बैठे हैं - जिस बाप को यथार्थ रीति कोई भी जानते नहीं। भल अपने को भाई-भाई भी समझते हैं, हम सब आत्मायें हैं, बाप एक है - परन्तु यथार्थ रीति नहीं जानते। ...
वास्तव में तुम हो कुमार - शिवबाबा के बच्चे। कुमारियाँ और कुमार तब बनते जब शरीर में आते हो। तुम बी.के. हो, इसलिए भाई-बहन कहलाते हो।
“You know that you are sitting in front of the Spiritual Father (Shiva) - the Father whom no one really knows ACCURATELY. Although you do understand that you are Brothers (as souls); that you are all souls and that the Father is One - no one really knows (EXPERIENCES) this ACCURATELY. ...
You are, in fact, ‘kumars’ (males), children of Shiv Baba. You become ‘kumars’ (males) and ‘kumaris’ (females) when you enter bodies. You are Brahma Kumars and Kumaris (BKs), and that is why you are called Brothers and Sisters.”

ONLY the Righteous Children are ABLE to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE – as a POINT source of Vibrant, Luminous Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST, EXPERIENCING themselves, ALSO as souls – ALSO as a Point source of Vibrant, Luminous Spiritual Light Energy!


कृष्ण के जन्म और क्राइस्ट के जन्म में बहुत फ़र्क है। क्राइस्ट का जन्म कोई छोटे बच्चे के रूप में नहीं होता है। क्राइस्ट की आत्मा ने तो कोई में जाकर प्रवेश किया है। विष से पैदा हो न सके। आगे क्राइस्ट को कभी छोटा बच्चा नहीं दिखाते थे। क्रॉस पर दिखाते थे। यह (छोटा बच्चा) अभी दिखाते हैं। बच्चे जानते हैं, धर्म स्थापक को कोई ऐसे मार न सके, तो किसको मारा? जिसमें प्रवेश किया, उनको दु:ख मिला। सतोप्रधान आत्मा को दु:ख कैसे मिल सकता?
“There is a lot of difference between the birth of Krishna, and the birth of Christ. The birth of (the soul of) Christ is not in the form of a baby. The soul of Christ comes and enters someone else. He cannot be born through vice (of sex-lust). Previously, they never portrayed Christ as a young child; they always portrayed him on a cross. Now they show him in this way (as a young child). You children know that no one who establishes a religion can be killed (crucified) in that way. So, whom did they kill (crucify)? The one whose body he entered received the sorrow (pain of being crucified). How could a Pure (‘satopradhan’) soul receive sorrow?”

The soul of Christ, CANNOT experience ANY sorrow, WHEN he FIRST descends from the Soul World, since he is Pure, (ONLY at THAT time). Pure soul of Christ descends and enters the impure body of the impure soul of Jesus of Nazareth, in order to establish Christianity, (at THAT time, in Copper Age). In their following births, Jesus becomes the Political head of Christianity (King), while Christ becomes the Religious head of Christianity (Pope). The soul of Jesus goes right around the Cycle, and takes the FULL 84 births, and is ONE of the Sovereigns (Narayans) of Golden Age, and is therefore, one among the 8 Jewels.

The entry of the Pure soul of Christ from the Soul World into the impure corporeal body of Jesus of Nazareth, is SIMILAR to the entry of Incorporeal God Father Shiva into the impure corporeal body of Brahma Baba, or the soul of Shri Krishna – hence the ‘rashi’ of ‘Krish’ & ‘Chris’ are DELUSIVELY made to MATCH!

In ACTUAL FACT, Krishna is the SAME soul of Brahma Baba, but Christ is NOT the same soul of Jesus of Nazareth. Although – in this particular ANALOGY – Christ corresponds to Shiva, (as UPLIFTER or ‘udharmurth’ souls) – and Jesus corresponds to Brahma (Krishna), (as SUPPORTER or ‘adharmurth’ souls) – they have MIXED up ‘Chris’ with ‘Krish’, owing to body-consciousness!

SIMILARLY – just as they have CONFOUNDED Pure soul of Christ with impure soul of Jesus, (for THAT period of time) – so also, they have CONFOUNDED Pure soul of Shiva with impure soul of Brahma (Krishna), and have made the ERRONEOUS CONCLUSION that corporeal Krishna (Brahma) is the ‘Sermonizer’ of the Gita – INSTEAD of Incorporeal Shiva.

SECONDLY – they have CONFOUNDED Shiva with Shankar ALSO – whereas, Shankar is ONLY a SYMBOLIC REFLECTION of Shiva, instrumental to PRINCIPALLY ABSORB the APPARENTLY NEGATIVE CONCEPT of Shiva’s CONSEQUENTIAL process of World ‘Destruction’ (which is ACTUALLY World TRANSFORMATION).

The THREE REFLECTIONS of Subtle Brahma, Vishnu & Shankar, of the Subtle Region, are ONLY USEFUL during Confluence Age, and COLLAPSE (DISAPPEAR) when Golden Age commences. The REFLECTION of Subtle Brahma is of Brahma Baba; the REFLECTION of Subtle Vishnu is of Brahma Baba & Saraswati Mama COMBINED; and the REFLECTION of Subtle Shankar is of Shiva. Therefore - it follows that - Brahma & Vishnu go right around the Cycle of FULL 84 births; but Shiva & Shankar DO NOT take any corporeal births, hence they DO NOT come into the cycle of birth and death!

THIRDLY, although Christ is a Pure soul – (but ONLY at the time when he FIRST descends from the Soul World, during Copper Age) – Christ continues to take corporeal births thereafter, and progressively becomes impure by the end of Iron Age. They have CONFOUNDED this aspect ALSO, by DELUSIVELY believing that Shiva ALSO takes corporeal births thereafter, and is the same soul of PRINCIPAL Sovereign Rama of the END of Silver Age – who becomes instrumental to propagate the so-called ‘advanced knowledge’ during Confluence Age, MASQUERADING or posing as ‘Shiv-Shankar’ or ‘ShivBaba’ - AFTER Brahma Baba becomes Avyakt in 1969!

A very DEEP & SUBTLE intellect is required in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in their PROPER PERSPECTIVE – to be ABLE to LOGICALLY understand the various DEGRADED, and hence CONFLICTING, belief systems which are prevalent during Ravan Rajya – the ‘shooting’, or REFRESHING, of which is NOW CURRENTLY taking place WITHIN the Yagya, through various CORRESPONDING GROUPS of RESPECTIVE Brahmin souls!


बाप कहते हैं - ज्ञान का विनाश नहीं होता है। शिवबाबा के बच्चे तो सब हैं। अब शिवबाबा कहते हैं - मामेकम् याद करने से तुम मेरे पास आ जायेंगे - मुक्तिधाम। फिर जो ज्ञान सिखाया जाता है वह पढ़ेंगे, तो स्वर्ग की राजाई मिल जायेगी। कितना सहज है, स्वर्ग में जाने का रास्ता सेकेण्ड में मिल जाता है।
“The Father says - this Knowledge can never be destroyed. All are Shiv Baba’s children. Now, Shiv Baba says - by Remembering Me, alone, you will come to Me in the ‘Land of Liberation’ (Soul World). By studying this Knowledge which is now being taught, you can then claim the Sovereignty of Heaven. It is so easy! You find the path to Heaven within a second.”

The Study of the Pure, UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita) - and the ACTUAL INCULCATION of same - enables the Righteous Children to claim their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya from Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba – in Confluence Age ITSELF - number-wise!


अभी तो मनुष्य समझते हैं - कभी भी लड़ाई हो सकती है - यह तो कल भी हो सकती है। लड़ाई जोर भरने में देरी थोड़ेही लगती है। परन्तु तुम बच्चे समझते हो अभी हमारी राजधानी स्थापन हुई नहीं है, तो विनाश कैसे हो सकता है? अजुन बाप का पैगाम ही चारों तरफ कहाँ दिया है! पतित-पावन बाप कहते हैं - मुझे याद करो, तो विकर्म विनाश होंगे। यह पैगाम सबके कानों पर जाना चाहिए। भल लड़ाई लगे, बॉम्बस भी लग जाएं, परन्तु तुमको निश्चय है कि हमारी राजधानी जरूर स्थापन होनी है - तब तक विनाश हो नहीं सकता।
“Human beings now understand that war can now break out at any time - it could even break out tomorrow. It does not take time for war to gather force. However, you children understand that our Kingdom has not yet been established; so, how can destruction take place as yet? As yet, you have not given the Father’s message to everyone in all four directions. The Purifier Father says - Remember Me, and your sins will be absolved. This message must reach everyone’s ears. Even if war does break out, and bombs explode, you have the faith that your Kingdom is definitely going to be established - that destruction cannot take place until then.”

The FINAL ‘destruction’, or TRANSFORMATION, CANNOT commence UNTIL the New Kingdom of the New World of Golden Age, is COMPLETELY established, and ALL the Righteous Children achieve their FINAL ‘karmateet’ stage, TOGETHER – although STILL number-wise!

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SM & AV points for churning – Revised in 2020

Post by Adam » 17 Sep 2020

Sakar Murli, Revised on 17.09.2020

रूहानी बाप को भी एक ही बार पुरूषोत्तम संगमयुग पर शरीर लेना पड़ता है। यह संगमयुग भी है, इनको पुरूषोत्तम युग भी कहेंगे क्योंकि इस संगमयुग के बाद फिर सतयुग आता है। सतयुग को भी पुरूषोत्तम युग कहेंगे। बाप आकर स्थापना भी पुरूषोत्तम युग की करते हैं। संगमयुग पर आते हैं, तो जरूर वह भी पुरूषोत्तम युग हुआ। यहाँ ही बच्चों को पुरूषोत्तम बनाते हैं। फिर तुम पुरूषोत्तम नई दुनिया में रहते हो। ‘पुरूषोत्तम’ अर्थात् उत्तम ते उत्तम पुरूष यह राधे-कृष्ण अथवा लक्ष्मी-नारायण हैं।
“The Spiritual Father (Shiva) needs to take a body (on loan) ONLY ONCE, at this elevated Confluence Age. This Confluence Age is also called the MOST ELEVATED Age (‘Purushottam Yug’), because after this Confluence Age, the Golden Age comes; the Golden Age is ALSO called a MOST ELEVATED Age (‘Purushottam Yug’). The Father comes and establishes that MOST ELEVATED Age (‘Purushottam Yug’). He comes at the Confluence Age; so this is ALSO called the MOST ELEVATED Age (‘Purushottam Yug’). It is here that He makes you children the most elevated. Then you go and stay in the MOST ELEVATED New World. ‘Most elevated’ means the highest-on-high human beings - who are Radhe & Krishna, or Lakshmi & Narayan.”

Confluence Age is called the MOST ELEVATED Age (‘Purushottam Yug’), because during this period, the Highest-on-High Incorporeal God Father Shiva, makes the Brahmin children most elevated, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba - to become worthy of staying in the FUTURE, MOST ELEVATED (‘Purushottam’) New World of Golden Age – which is ALSO called a MOST ELEVATED Age (‘Purushottam Yug’) – where the highest-on-high human beings are Radhe & Krishna (souls of Saraswati Mama or Om Radhe & Brahma Baba or Lekhraj Kirpalani), who then become the VERY FIRST couple of the MOST ELEVATED Sovereigns, Lakshmi & Narayan, after their coronation!


कई बच्चे रूहानी बर्थ डे मनाते हैं। ईश्वरीय बर्थ डे ही मनाना चाहिए। वह जिस्मानी बर्थ डे कैन्सिल कर देना चाहिए। हम ब्राह्मणों को ही खिलायेंगे। मनाना तो यह चाहिए ना? वह है आसुरी जन्म, यह है ईश्वरीय जन्म। रात-दिन का फ़र्क है, परन्तु जब निश्चय में बैठे! ...
अब तुमको तो ईश्वरीय बर्थ डे ब्राह्मणों के साथ ही मनाना है। हम शिवबाबा के बच्चे हैं, हम बर्थ डे मनाते हैं, तो शिवबाबा की ही याद रहेगी। जो बच्चे निश्चयबुद्धि हैं, उनको जन्म दिन मनाना चाहिए - वह आसुरी जन्म ही भूल जाए।
“Some children celebrate their ‘spiritual birthday’ (the day they came in Knowledge). It is the Godly birthday that should be celebrated. (The celebration of) your physical birthdays should be cancelled. We will only feed Brahmins. It is this (spiritual birthday) which should be celebrated. That (corporeal birth) is an impure birth; whereas, this (spiritual birth) is your Godly birth; there is the difference of day and night. However, first there has to be (COMPLETE) faith! ...
You must only celebrate your Godly birthday - along with Brahmins. We are Shiv Baba’s children. When we celebrate our (spiritual) birthday, we only Remember Shiv Baba. The children whose intellects have faith should celebrate their (spiritual) birthdays, so that they forget their impure births.”

Once the Righteous Children have COMPLETE faith in Drama, ShivBaba & Knowledge, they should CANCEL the celebration of their birthdays of their corporeal bodies – and should ONLY celebrate their spiritual birthdays, (the day they came into this Knowledge), along with the Brahmin Family – so that they forget their impure births, and NATURALLY Remember ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE!

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SM & AV points for churning – Revised in 2020

Post by Adam » 18 Sep 2020

Sakar Murli, Revised on 18.09.2020

मनुष्य शान्ति के लिए बहुत प्रयास करते हैं, उनको प्राइज़ भी मिलती रहती है। वास्तव में इसमें दौड़ा-दौड़ी करने की बात है नहीं। बाप कहते हैं - सिर्फ अपने स्वधर्म में टिको, तो विकर्म विनाश हो जायेंगे। स्वधर्म में टिकेंगे तो शान्ति हो जायेगी। तुम हो ही एवर शान्त बाप के बच्चे। यह वर्सा उनसे मिलता है - उनको कोई मोक्ष नहीं कहेंगे।
“Human beings make a great deal of effort to find Peace, and they even receive prizes. In fact, there is no question of running around in this (for Peace). The Father says - simply stabilise yourself in your (original) religion of the self (as a soul), and your sins will be absolved. By stabilising yourself in your (original) religion of the self (as a soul), there will be Peace. You are children of the Father who is EVER Peaceful. You receive this inheritance (of Peace) from Him - that is not called ‘eternal liberation’ (‘moksha’).”

Simply by, FIRST, remaining stabilised in one’s original religion of the self, as a soul – as a Point source of Vibrant, Luminous Spiritual Light Energy – and THEN, remaining in ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE – ALSO, as a POINT source of Vibrant, Luminous Spiritual Light Energy – one becomes soul-conscious and PEACEFUL, once again - to THEN, be able to live PEACEFULLY in the New World of LOVEFUL HAPPINESS in Golden Age!


मोक्ष तो भगवान को भी नहीं मिल सकता। भगवान को भी पार्ट में जरूर आना है। कहते हैं - कल्प-कल्प, कल्प के संगमयुगे मैं आता हूँ। तो भगवान को भी मोक्ष नहीं, तो बच्चे फिर मोक्ष को कैसे पा सकते हैं? यह बातें सारा दिन विचार सागर मंथन करने की हैं। बाप तो तुम बच्चों को ही समझाते हैं।
“Even God cannot receive ‘eternal liberation’ (‘Moksha’). God, too, definitely has to come to play His part. He says - I come at the Confluence Age of every Cycle, Cycle after Cycle. If God, Himself, does not have ‘eternal liberation’, then how could His children receive ‘eternal liberation’? You have to churn the ocean of Knowledge about these aspects all day long. The Father explains these aspects ONLY to you Children.”

There is NO QUESTION of ANYONE receiving ‘eternal liberation’ (‘moksha’), within this EWD Play – since one HAS to DEFINITELY come to play a role on this corporeal sphere, for minimum one birth (and maximum 84 births), during one Cycle of 5000 years duration!

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SM & AV points for churning – Revised in 2020

Post by Adam » 19 Sep 2020

Sakar Murli, Revised on 19.09.2020

सच्ची-सच्ची यात्रा करने वाले जो होते हैं, वह पवित्र रहते हैं। तुम्हारे में सभी यात्रा पर हैं। तुम ब्राह्मण हो। सच्चे-सच्चे ब्रह्माकुमार-कुमारियाँ कौन हैं? जो कभी भी विकार में नहीं जाते हैं। पुरुषार्थी तो जरूर हैं। मन्सा संकल्प भल आयें, मुख्य है ही विकार की बात। ...
जो आज पवित्र बन फिर अपवित्र बन जाते हैं, तो वह ब्राह्मण ही नहीं रहा!
“Those who are true to their (physical) pilgrimage, remain pure (remain celibate - during the pilgrimage). All of you are also on a (spiritual) pilgrimage. You are Brahmins. Who are the TRUE Brahma Kumars and Kumaris? Those who never indulge in vice (of sex-lust). All of you are definitely effort-makers. Although there may be thoughts (of lust) in the mind, the main aspect is not to (actually) indulge in vice (of sex-lust). ...
Those who are pure today, and who then become impure (who indulge in sex-lust) would no longer be (true) Brahmins.”

ONLY those who refrain from the vices – PARTICULARLY the vice of sex-lust – can be called TRUE Brahmins of Confluence Age – who can THEN, achieve a HIGH status in Golden Age!


जो पवित्र नहीं रहते वह ब्राह्मण नहीं, शूद्र हैं। ... सच्चे वह, जो कभी शूद्र न बनें। ज़रा भी दृष्टि न जाए। अन्त में कर्मातीत अवस्था होती है। बड़ी ऊंची मंजिल है। मन्सा में भी न आये, वह अवस्था अन्त में होनी है। इस समय एक की भी ऐसी अवस्था नहीं है। इस समय सब पुरुषार्थी हैं। नीचे-ऊपर होते रहते हैं। मुख्य आंखों की ही बात है। हम आत्मा हैं, इस शरीर द्वारा पार्ट बजाते हैं - यह पक्का अभ्यास चाहिए। जब तक रावण राज्य है, तब तक युद्ध चलता रहेगा। पिछाड़ी में कर्मातीत अवस्था होगी।
“Those who do not remain pure (who indulge in sex-lust) are NOT Brahmins; they are ‘shudras’. ... TRUE Brahmins are those who never become ‘shudras’ (again – after becoming Brahmins), those whose eyes are not even slightly attracted to anyone. The ‘karmateet’ stage will be reached at the end. The destination is very high. Nothing should enter your mind - you will reach that stage at the end. At this time (PRIOR 1969), not a single one has such a stage. All of you are effort-makers at this time, and you continue to fluctuate. The main aspect is the eyes. We are souls and we are playing our parts through these bodies - you need to make this practice very firm. Battles (within the mind) will continue to take place for as long as this kingdom of Ravan exists. The ‘karmateet’ stage will be reached (only) at the end.”

Storms of Maya will continue to occur, AS LONG AS the kingdom of Ravan exists – UNTIL the end of Iron Age, or the end of Confluence Age – but the Righteous Children should CONTINUE to make efforts to become Pure, by remaining in ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE – through which they will ultimately achieve their ‘karmateet’ stage, number-wise, by the end of Confluence Age.


संगमयुग क्लीयर कर दिखाना है - यह है पुरुषोत्तम संगमयुग - उस तरफ देवतायें, इस तरफ असुर। बाकी उन्हों की लड़ाई हुई नहीं है। लड़ाई तुम ब्राह्मणों की है विकारों से, इनको भी लड़ाई नहीं कहेंगे। सबसे बड़ा है काम विकार, यह महाशत्रु है। इन पर जीत पाने से ही तुम जगतजीत बनेंगे। इस विष पर ही अबलायें मार खाती हैं। अनेक प्रकार के विघ्न पड़ते हैं। मूल बात है पवित्रता की। पुरूषार्थ करते-करते, तूफान आते-आते, तुम्हारी जीत हो जायेगी। माया थक जायेगी।
“You have to show the Confluence Age very clearly - this is the most elevated Confluence Age - on that side, there are Deities; whereas on this side, there are Demons. However, there is no battle between them. The battle is of you Brahmins with the vices (within your mind), but this is not called a (physical) battle. The greatest vice of all is lust - this vice is the greatest enemy. By conquering it, you become conquerors of the world. It is because of this vice that innocent ones are beaten (assaulted). There are many types of obstacles. The main aspect is Purity. By continuing to make efforts, and continuing to experience storms, you will EVENTUALLY become victorious; and Maya will become tired.”

In spite of the relentless storms of Maya, the Righteous Children will EVENTUALLY become victorious, by CONTINUING to make efforts to remain in ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE.


बच्चों को ही विचार सागर मंथन करना है। शिवबाबा तो नहीं करते हैं। ... बी.के. को मंथन करना है, शिवबाबा को नहीं! मूल बात कोई से भी जास्ती टॉक नहीं करनी है। आरग्यु शास्त्रवादी आपस में बहुत करते हैं, तुमको आरग्यु (वाद-विवाद) नहीं करना है। तुमको सिर्फ पैगाम देना है।
“It is you children who have to churn the ocean of Knowledge. Shiv Baba does not (require to) do this. ... It is you BKs who have to churn it - NOT Shiv Baba. The main aspect is NOT to talk too much with anyone. Those who study the scriptures argue a lot among themselves. You must not argue (or debate) with anyone. You simply have to give the message (to everyone).”

Incorporeal God Father Shiva IS the Ocean of Knowledge, Himself – hence He DOES NOT require to churn same. The Righteous Children should churn same – but they should NOT argue or debate with ANYONE – they should SIMPLY involve themselves in giving the message of ShivBaba to EVERYONE!

The Unrighteous children, who are involved with carrying out the ‘shooting’, or REFRESHING, of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the ‘path of Devotion’ of Ravan Rajya, during the latter part of Confluence Age, keep ARGUING and DEBATING aggressively, a great deal, among themselves – and attempt to do the same with the Righteous Children also – who should be very cautious about them!

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