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Classical Opposing Viewpoints – 15

Post by Golden Heart » 20 Nov 2014

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Classical Opposing Viewpoints – 15
BKWSU Rev SM dated 19.11.2014 wrote: So, YOU Children (principal rulers of G A and S A) have to explain this and do service. The Father (S S S) will NOT GO and tell this to everyone (as the DoG – V D D – has been doing, after 1969 – RAPING, ROBBING and LOOTING the poor, with FALSE promises, premises and pretexts, giving delusive reasons for doing so, readily and blindly ‘lapped’ by his gullible ‘puppies’ & puppets). YOU Children are worthy of doing service and so you should go. Day by day, human beings (PBKs, in particular) are continuing to become like devils. Because of not having that recognition, they don’t hesitate to speak a lot of rubbish (the ‘BULL-*******’ emanating from the ‘bogus mouth’ or ‘spiritual anus’ of the ‘Bull’ – V D D). People say that the God of the Gita is Krishna (the first prince of G A). You explain that he is a bodily being and that he is called a deity. Krishna cannot be called the Father (since he is a pure Child of G A). Here, everyone remembers the Father (S S S). There cannot be anyone else who could be the Father of souls. This Prajapita Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) also says: You have to remember the incorporeal Father (the DoG claims that BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani is not Prajapita Brahma, and that he is Prajapita Brahma and that the incorporeal Father should be remembered in his body, thus CONFIRMING his HiranyaKashyapHood – HKhood).
This one (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is the corporeal Father
(the DoG claims that BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani is not the corporeal Father). A great deal is explained, but because some (PBKs, in particular) DO NOT understand fully, they take the wrong path and go into the jungle. The Father shows you the path to go to heaven. In spite of that, some (PBKs, in particular) go to the jungle. The Father (S S S) explains: It is Ravan (through his ‘mukrar rath’ – the DoG – V D D) who takes you to the jungle. You (PBKs, in particular) are defeated by Maya. You (PBKs, in particular) forget the path and so you become thorns of that jungle. You will then go to heaven later. You have come here to make effort to go to heaven. The Silver Age cannot be called heaven; it is reduced by 25%. That is considered to be fail marks. You have come here to leave the old world and go to the new world. The Silver Age cannot be called the new world. Those who fail (like the DoG – V D D – and his gullible followers) go there because they DON’T follow the right path; they continue to fluctuate. You realize that you don’t have the remembrance that you should have. Those who become residents of heaven are said to have passed with good marks and those who become residents of the Silver Age are considered to have failed (like the DoG – V D D – and his gullible followers).
BKWSU Rev SM dated 19.11.2014 wrote: It is seen that Maya makes very good flowers fall. She completely breaks their bones and they are called traitors (PBKs, in particular). THOSE WHO LEAVE ONE KINGDOM AND GO TO ANOTHER ARE CALLED TRAITORS! The Father says: Those who belong to Me and then belong to Maya are also called traitors (PBKs, in particular). Their activity becomes like that. The Father has now come to liberate you from Maya. Some children say that Maya is very powerful and that she pulls them to her side. Maya is like a magnet. At this time, she adopts the form of a magnet.
BKWSU Rev SM dated 19.11.2014 wrote: Here, too, you ascend and then descend. People fall so much, don’t even ask! Some DON’T EVEN BELIEVE that Baba is teaching them (the DoG claims that the SMs and AVs are merely ‘poetry’ and ‘prose’, and S S S was/is not a Teacher through BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). Some very serviceable children whom the Father praises (as in the beginning of the Yagya) also get caught in Maya’s claws. There is wrestling. Maya too fights in the same way; she knocks you right down. As you children make progress you will continue to become aware of everything. Maya (by propagating the ADULTERATED, INVERTED & PERVERTED Reversed Advance Knowledge) makes you (PBKs, in particular) fall fast asleep. Nevertheless, the Father says: Once you have heard knowledge, you will definitely go to heaven. However, you won’t be able to claim a status. Whatever effort each of them made in the previous cycle, or if they fell whilst making effort, they ascend and descend in the same way now too. There is victory and defeat. EVERYTHING FOR THE CHILDREN DEPENDS ON THEIR (ACCURATE) REMEMBRANCE (ONE Father and NONE OTHER – TRUE NUNS).
BKWSU Rev SM dated 19.11.2014 wrote: Here, Bap (S S S) and Dada (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) are both together. Dada’s directions are his own and the directions of God are His own. You should understand who is giving you these directions. This one (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is also a Father, is he not? (the DoG claims that BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani is not the Father). You should listen to the Father (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) - (the DoG COMPLETELY TRICKS his gullible followers into believing that he is the Father and they should listen to him). Baba is the senior Baba and this is why Baba says: Always think that Shiv Baba is explaining to you. IF YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND THIS, YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO CLAIM A STATUS (PBKs TOTALLY FAIL to understand these aspects CLEARLY!!!) According to the drama plan, there is the Father (S S S) and also Dada (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). You receive the Father’s Shrimat. Maya is such that she makes even strong mahavirs perform wrong actions. It is then understood that that one is NOT following the Father’s directions (like the DoG – V D D). They themselves (some of them) also feel that they are following their own devilish directions. The One who gives you Shrimat has NOW become present HERE. His directions are God’s directions. The Father Himself says: If you receive such (doubtful) directions from this one (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani), then I (S S S) am sitting HERE to rectify that (in the corporeal vehicle of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, prior 1969) - (the DoG has HIJACKED this point, after 1969 and applied it to himself – CONFIRMING that he is, IN FACT, the REAL HIRANYAKASHYAP - HK !!!) I have taken his (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) Chariot. It was because I took his Chariot that he was insulted. Otherwise, he was never insulted before. He (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is insulted so much because of Me. So, I also have to look after him. The Father would definitely protect him, just as a Father protects his children. The more honesty you have, the more protected you will be. THOSE WHO ARE FALSE ARE NOT PROTECTED (the DoG – V D D - was beaten several times, thrashed by the police, jailed, and compelled to perform menial tasks). THEIR PUNISHMENT BECOMES FIXED FOR ALL TIME. This is why the Father says: Maya catches hold of you by the nose and completely finishes you off. Some children themselves feel that Maya is eating them, and so they stop studying. The Father says: DEFINITELY STUDY (and DON’T BLINDLY follow the DoG – V D D) ! Achcha, if someone is blamed for something, just remember: Whatever each one does, he will receive the fruit of that in the future, because the world is now changing. Maya trips you up in such a way that you don’t have that happiness.
THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

These aspects would be clarified further, as we move on!!!

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by arjun » 21 Nov 2014

Dear golden heart, thanks for showering some new invaluable diamonds from your golden heart. Thanks for calling Baba Virendra Dev Dixit a rapist, bull-*******, bogus-mouth, spiritual anus of a bull, hiranyakashyap, hijacker besides your pet title for him 'Dog'. May your heart continue to pump such diamonds till your heart has no more strength to pump. :D
The Father (S S S) will NOT GO and tell this to everyone
The above line was said in respect of outsiders and not insiders (the children). Even Brahma Baba used to tour many cities of India where BKs had centers. It has been said in one of the Avyakt Vanis that wherever you establish Mini madhubans BapDada will arrive there. Avyakt BapDada hasn't ventured out of Abu/Abu Road since 1969. So, where is that part going on? Definitely in the Advance Party.
She completely breaks their bones and they are called traitors (PBKs, in particular). THOSE WHO LEAVE ONE KINGDOM AND GO TO ANOTHER ARE CALLED TRAITORS! The Father says: Those who belong to Me and then belong to Maya are also called traitors (PBKs, in particular).
Baba's kingdom or family is one where Baba is available in practical, not the place where the incorporeal Baba has been shunted to the Supreme Abode and the corporeal Baba has been cremated and then a tomb erected in the memory of his body. Baba's kindgom is not where Baba has been pushed to the Soul World and His children assume the throne one after the other and practice Bhakti more than Brahma Baba or even the Hindu Sanyasis by spending millions of valuable rupees on getting decorated/honoured by others, by displaying their own photographs everywhere, by eating 36 to 108 varieties of delicacies, by living in luxurious rooms, etc. Baba's kingdom is that where Baba is present in practical and His Shrimat is followed in practical. Baba's kingdom is where pictures of bodily beings are not displayed, people give importance only to Baba's words, i.e. Murlis and don't long for the words of Dadis, Didis, etc. So, the readers can decide who is traitor in a real sense and who is not. :cool:
It was because I took his Chariot that he was insulted. Otherwise, he was never insulted before. He (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is insulted so much because of Me.
Yes, Brahma Baba was definitely not showered with the kind of diamonds that you are showering Baba Virendra Dev Dixit. So, how can Baba Virendra Dev Dixit be the permanent Chariot. Am I not right dear golden heart???? Please continue to shower the diamonds so that Baba Virendra Dev Dixit can never prove to be the permanent/appointed Chariot of Shiv. :laugh:

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by rmn » 22 Nov 2014

My dear soul brothers pl see vtp1130 and 1131 wherein the great baba-Virendra Dev Dixit as assumed negative thinkings on BKs's incharges of the centres and also spoken and he encouraged a student in the class (vtp) to talk many things against our birth's place institution. All PBKs pl see and say truth on this whether the spoken words are Virendra Dev Dixit/ddl/Father choice is left to PBKs.
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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by arjun » 22 Nov 2014

Dear rmn, I don't know whatever was spoken by ShivBaba in those cassettes, but I don't think He has ever used such abuses which golden heart is using for Baba Virendra Dev Dixit. And in the Murlis Baba has said that the Father has a right to scold the children if they are doing anything wrong, but children don't have a right to use such abusive language. If you read the unedited original Murlis spoken by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba, then you will find that even at that time Baba used many strong words against the children who violated Shrimat as well as against the human gurus, other religions etc. Now you cannot find any such word in the revised Murlis.
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Classical Opposing Viewpoints – 16

Post by Golden Heart » 22 Nov 2014

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,

Classical Opposing Viewpoints – 16
BKWSU Rev SM dated 18.12.2013 wrote: Baba gives you directions. ShivBaba will NOT GO into the streets and stumble around. If this one (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) goes, it means that ShivBaba (S S S) has to stumble around. YOU SHOULD HAVE REGARD for BABA! It is the Children's duty to do THIS service (of going around).
BKWSU Rev SM dated 19.11.2014 wrote: So, YOU Children (principal rulers of G A and S A) have to explain this and do service. The Father (S S S) will NOT GO and tell this to everyone (as the DoG – V D D – has been doing, after 1969 – RAPING, ROBBING and LOOTING the poor, with FALSE promises, premises and pretexts, giving delusive reasons for doing so, readily and blindly ‘lapped’ by his gullible ‘puppies’ & puppets). YOU Children are worthy of doing service and so you should go.
BKWSU Rev SM dated 22.11.2014 wrote: There is a lot of service to be done. Baba (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) CANNOT GO anywhere because the Father (S S S) is with him (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). Where would we take the Father (S S S) in that rubbish? Whom should He speak to? The Father only wishes to speak to His Children. So, YOU Children have to do service. It is remembered: Son shows Father. The Father has made YOU Children (principal rulers of G A and S A) clever.

The touring of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani was minimal for ‘specific’ reasons, NOT for delivering Versions of S S S in various locations around the country continuously and constantly. ALL the Children, however poor they might have been, came to meet S S S at Mt Abu, the TRUE PILGRIMAGE place, for hearing the PURE Versions of S S S!!!
This is in STARK CONTRAST to the conduct of the DoG, who continuously moves from location to location, with very short notice, since he has a morbid FEAR of being arrested by the police, for the legal cases which are still pending against him, so that he can continue to LOOT the unwary poor, by delusively DECEIVING them - prominent characteristics of Ravan Rajya!!!
Avyakt BapDada have been appearing in Avyakt Form at many BK Centres in India and abroad CONSISTENTLY and giving FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCES to many souls who are in their Avyakt stage!
BKWSU AV dated 21.01.1969 wrote: Are all of you sitting in your Avyakt Form? While continuing to be in the corporeal, you should stay in your Avyakt Form! When you remain stable in your Avyakt stage, then there WILL BE NO CONFUSION in that Avyakt stage !!!
The poor ‘out-casts’- PBKs - WHO HAVE NEVER HAD SUCH EXPERIENCES, are COMPLETELY IN THE DARK about these aspects, due to their GROSS body-consciousness, and continue to MIS-INTERPRET ALL the Versions of S S S ! As already highlighted amply earlier, due to their INVERTED INTELLECTS, they cannot be blamed for mis-interpreting the SMs and AVs. They will continue to give importance to ONLY the words emerging from the ‘mukrar rath’ of Ravan – the DoG – V D D - DELUSIVELY BELIEVING that the CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED, INVERTED and PERVERTED Versions are the Murlis, which they are CLEARLY NOT, as already high-lighted and AMPLY PROVED in several posts in this thread earlier !!!
FORGIVE THEM ! HAVE MERCY ON THEM – FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SPEAK AND WHAT THEY DO ! ! !
BKWSU Rev SM dated 28.12.2002 wrote: Only the ONE Father is the Ocean of Knowledge. He shows you the ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE path – Children, now Remember Me so that your sins can be incinerated. You must NOT Remember ANY BODILY BEING! The Yoga of your Intellect should remain united UP ABOVE! It is NOT that BABA is here, so your Intellect should also be here! EVEN THOUGH BABA is here (in the corporeal vehicle of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) then also the Yoga of your Intellect should remain united in the World of Peace (Shantidham)!

This Version can NEVER be PROPERLY APPRECIATED by the gullible followers of the DoG, who directs them to remember the Incorporeal in his body – a ‘BAG’ of FAECES & URINE ! ! ! By BLINDLY continuing to ingest the ‘faeces’ of Reversed Advance Knowledge and endeavouring to remember the Incorporeal in a ‘bag’ of faeces and urine, what EXPERIENCE can they hope to achieve ??? In spite of the CLEAR Versions of S S S high-lighted in this thread, the BLIND followers of the DoG, are destined to CONTINUE with their ARROGANCE of BODY-CONSCIOUSNESS, MUCH to their OWN PERIL!!!
FORGIVE THEM ! HAVE MERCY ON THEM – FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SPEAK AND WHAT THEY DO ! ! !
BKWSU Rev SM dated 01.12.2003 wrote: The Supreme Soul (S S S) is NOW TEACHING US SOULS (the principal rulers of G A and S A) the Knowledge which is in Him. The rest of the people (PBKs, in particular) ARE IN EXTREME DARKNESS! The Scriptures (the garbage emanating from the 'bogus mouth' of the ‘mukrar rath’ of Ravan – V D D) belong to the path of Worship; that CANNOT be considered to be Knowledge. The (PURE) Knowledge is the Day, and (ADULTERATED Knowledge) Worship is the Night. You can ask : Who is the Creator of the (TRUE) Gita and when did He come? When was the (TRUE) Gita written? The Father (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) also keeps writing, then it is necessary to churn on that. By inculcating in the Intellect in this manner you will continue to progress. The Father (S S S) says: Remember Me. The Children have been explained about the significance of the Rosary. The Supreme Soul, Supreme Father (S S S) is the Unlimited Flower, then there are the TWO beads, BRAHMA (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) and Saraswati (OmRadhe) – (the ONLY SINGULAR, UNADULTERATED Trimurti of the CYLCE) !!! The Creation has been created through Prajapita Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). These (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani and OmRadhe) are ADI DEV and ADI DEVI !!! These Brahmins (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani and OmRadhe) have established Heaven (as the CHIEF INSTRUMENTS)! This is why they are worshipped !!!
THERE CAN BE NO DOUBT, WHATSOEVER, that BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani and OmRadhe – Brahma & Saraswati - are the TRUE corporeal Parents of the Human Race – ADI DEV & ADI DEVI (for better comprehension of these aspects, kindly refer to earlier posts in this thread).

THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

These aspects would be clarified further, as we move on !!!

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Post by arjun » 25 Nov 2014

golden heart wrote:The touring of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani was minimal for ‘specific’ reasons, NOT for delivering Versions of S S S in various locations around the country continuously and constantly. ALL the Children, however poor they might have been, came to meet S S S at Mt Abu, the TRUE PILGRIMAGE place, for hearing the PURE Versions of S S S!!!
This is in STARK CONTRAST to the conduct of the DoG, who continuously moves from location to location, with very short notice, since he has a morbid FEAR of being arrested by the police, for the legal cases which are still pending against him, so that he can continue to LOOT the unwary poor, by delusively DECEIVING them - prominent characteristics of Ravan Rajya!!!
Dear golden heart, thanks for showering some more diamonds by calling Baba Virendra Dev Dixit a rapist, robber, looter, etc.

As regards ShivBaba touring all over India to narrate Murlis, it depends on how you see it. Since your mind is full of hatred for Baba Virendra Dev Dixit you see him as a person wandering to avoid arrests. But the fact is that no case is pending against him in the courts. And even when cases were pending he used to attend the courts diligently. ShivBaba tours all over India so that even the poorest of the poor PBKs could meet Him without having to spend valuable money to visit Kampil or Delhi again and again. Is it not economical if one person tours to meet thousands instead of thousands travelling thousands of kilometers spending thousands of rupees to meet One??????
Avyakt BapDada have been appearing in Avyakt Form at many BK Centres in India and abroad CONSISTENTLY and giving FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCES to many souls who are in their Avyakt stage!
Even before 1969 ShivBaba through Brahma Baba had warned that there are many children who say that Mama comes in me, Baba comes in me. And now you say that Avyakt BapDada comes in all the BKs. So, BapDada need not physically travel anywhere as promised in the Avyakt Vani (BapDada will go wherever mini-Madhubans are established). OK, even if BapDada enters in many BKs all over the world (if your words are to be believed) can anyone claim that he/she is BapDada? Then how can they claim that BapDada visited them?
The poor ‘out-casts’- PBKs - WHO HAVE NEVER HAD SUCH EXPERIENCES, are COMPLETELY IN THE DARK about these aspects, due to their GROSS body-consciousness, and continue to MIS-INTERPRET ALL the Versions of S S S ! As already highlighted amply earlier, due to their INVERTED INTELLECTS, they cannot be blamed for mis-interpreting the SMs and AVs. They will continue to give importance to ONLY the words emerging from the ‘mukrar rath’ of Ravan – the DoG – V D D - DELUSIVELY BELIEVING that the CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED, INVERTED and PERVERTED Versions are the Murlis, which they are CLEARLY NOT, as already high-lighted and AMPLY PROVED in several posts in this thread earlier !!!
FORGIVE THEM ! HAVE MERCY ON THEM – FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SPEAK AND WHAT THEY DO ! ! !
Yes, the practical part of ShivBaba cannot be understood by those who have been playing in the laps of innumerable bodily gurus since 1969. They have never had the fortune of meeting God in person. So, they remain satisfied in photo ops with His so-called children who are spending the valuable money of Yagya in building mansions, distributing tolis and gifts to keep their flock together. PBKs may be poor from worldly point of view, but are rich in Godly knowledge and are satisfied in whatever God has provided them.
This Version can NEVER be PROPERLY APPRECIATED by the gullible followers of the DoG, who directs them to remember the Incorporeal in his body – a ‘BAG’ of FAECES & URINE ! ! ! By BLINDLY continuing to ingest the ‘faeces’ of Reversed Advance Knowledge and endeavouring to remember the Incorporeal in a ‘bag’ of faeces and urine, what EXPERIENCE can they hope to achieve ??? In spite of the CLEAR Versions of S S S high-lighted in this thread, the BLIND followers of the DoG, are destined to CONTINUE with their ARROGANCE of BODY-CONSCIOUSNESS, MUCH to their OWN PERIL!!!
FORGIVE THEM ! HAVE MERCY ON THEM – FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SPEAK AND WHAT THEY DO ! ! !
If the body is really a bag of faeces and urine then why display innumerable such photographs of past and present bags of faeces and urine all over Madhuban, BK centers, Gitapathshalas, houses, in purses and on rakhis????? Will golden heart have the heart to pronounce Brahma Baba, Mama, Dadis, Didis and senior BKs as bags of faeces and urine?????
THERE CAN BE NO DOUBT, WHATSOEVER, that BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani and OmRadhe – Brahma & Saraswati - are the TRUE corporeal Parents of the Human Race – ADI DEV & ADI DEVI (for better comprehension of these aspects, kindly refer to earlier posts in this thread).
Really!!!!! Or are they bags of faeces and urine in your own words???????? Please think before spitting venom on others dear golden heart.... :cool:

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Post by Golden Heart » 25 Nov 2014

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,

Since the intellects of the ‘outcasts’ – PBKs - have been INVERTED by the DoG, after 1969, with the CORRUPTED interpretations of the Pure Versions of S S S, the gullible followers of the DoG cannot PERCEIVE the PURE INTENT of S S S, as per their governing ‘sankars’, which are currently operating at LESS THAN 8 Celestial Degrees Purity, in the ‘shooting’ period of the Confluence Age - as in the case of their ‘bodily’ guru, V D D !!!

Since their intellects get ‘LOCKED’ - PERFECTLY, as per Drama Plan - they can NEVER comprehend the TRUE INTENT of S S S, either in the SMs or the AVs, and hence they keep on corrupting the Versions, due to their INVERTED intellects, and instead of making a FRESH attempt to APPRECIATE what S S S has ACTUALLY CONVEYED in the Versions HIGHLIGHTED, they choose to ARROGANTLY and VEHEMENTLY ATTACK anyone who is endeavouring to highlight the TRUTH in the PURE Versions of S S S - ALL, PERFECTLY AS PER DRAMA PLAN, OF COURSE, NOTHING NEW ! ! !

The ‘kaput’ Children are merely influenced, SUPERFICIALLY, by the words which they hear or read in the SMs and AVs, or in the views expressed by the ‘saput’ Children, WITHOUT having the ABILITY to APPRECIATE the TRUE INTENT and the REAL SPIRIT contained therein, DUE TO THEIR INVERTED INTELLECTS !!!
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT Maya IS ALL ABOUT !!!

In spite of the CLEAR Versions of S S S high-lighted in this thread, the BLIND followers of the DoG, are destined to CONTINUE with their ARROGANCE of BODY-CONSCIOUSNESS, MUCH to their OWN PERIL!!!
HAVE MERCY ON THEM !
FORGIVE THEM – FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SPEAK AND WHAT THEY DO ! ! !


THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by Roy » 25 Nov 2014

golden heart wrote:Since their intellects get ‘LOCKED’ - PERFECTLY, as per Drama Plan - they can NEVER comprehend the TRUE INTENT of S S S, either in the SMs or the AVs, and hence they keep on corrupting the Versions, due their INVERTED intellects, and instead of making a FRESH attempt to APPRECIATE what S S S has ACTUALLY CONVEYED in the Versions HIGHLIGHTED, they choose to ARROGANTLY and VEHEMENTLY ATTACK anyone who is endeavouring to highlight the TRUTH in the PURE Versions of S S S - ALL, PERFECTLY AS PER DRAMA PLAN, OF COURSE, NOTHING NEW ! ! !
Do the actual bodily attacks of BKs on PBKs not count as attacks, or are we only speaking of the counter arguments PBKs put forward, when they are presented with mud slinging and hearsay from souls like yourself?

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by arjun » 26 Nov 2014

golden heart wrote:Since the intellects of the ‘outcasts’ – PBKs - have been INVERTED by the DoG, after 1969, with the CORRUPTED interpretations of the Pure Versions of S S S, the gullible followers of the DoG cannot PERCEIVE the PURE INTENT of S S S, as per their governing ‘sankars’, which are currently operating at LESS THAN 8 Celestial Degrees Purity, in the ‘shooting’ period of the Confluence Age - as in the case of their ‘bodily’ guru, V D D !!!

Since their intellects get ‘LOCKED’ - PERFECTLY, as per Drama Plan - they can NEVER comprehend the TRUE INTENT of S S S, either in the SMs or the AVs, and hence they keep on corrupting the Versions, due to their INVERTED intellects, and instead of making a FRESH attempt to APPRECIATE what S S S has ACTUALLY CONVEYED in the Versions HIGHLIGHTED, they choose to ARROGANTLY and VEHEMENTLY ATTACK anyone who is endeavouring to highlight the TRUTH in the PURE Versions of S S S - ALL, PERFECTLY AS PER DRAMA PLAN, OF COURSE, NOTHING NEW ! ! !

The ‘kaput’ Children are merely influenced, SUPERFICIALLY, by the words which they hear or read in the SMs and AVs, or in the views expressed by the ‘saput’ Children, WITHOUT having the ABILITY to APPRECIATE the TRUE INTENT and the REAL SPIRIT contained therein, DUE TO THEIR INVERTED INTELLECTS !!!
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT Maya IS ALL ABOUT !!!

In spite of the CLEAR Versions of S S S high-lighted in this thread, the BLIND followers of the DoG, are destined to CONTINUE with their ARROGANCE of BODY-CONSCIOUSNESS, MUCH to their OWN PERIL!!!
Dear golden heart, thanks for calling us OUTCASTS, GULLIBLE FOLLOWERS OF DOG, PERSONS WITH LOCKED INTELLECTS, INVERTED INTELLECTS, ARROGANT, KAPUT (UNWORTHY), BODY CONSCIOUS. You are simply superb in your selection of diamonds for us and Baba Virendra Dev Dixit. Perhaps you get special training from your so-called gurus in this 'spiritual' endeavour. But, we poor children of ShivBaba don't possess such diamonds. So, please continue the production of such diamonds. Thanks once again.
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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by fluffy bunny » 26 Nov 2014

Hi Bhais and Bhens ...

just dropping by to see if any of you had dug up any more *real* historical information shedding light on the Yagya's history.

I am sorry to see that you are still forced to waste time with nothing more than biased and opinionated arguments such as these.

So who is this Golden Heart?

A BK on a mission ... a member of some other splinter group like the Vishnu Party ... or merely a disgruntled ex-PBK?

I don't know about you, but in my experience the quality and integrity of BK souls is becoming worse and worse. It's as if all they are doing is becoming middle class ... the leaders protecting their comforts and the followers all wrapped up in protecting their pride and reputation.

What's the latest news from India?

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Post by arjun » 27 Nov 2014

Fluffy-bunny, welcome back. My guess is that golden heart is an ex-PBK who has returned to be a BK.

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Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,

Classical Opposing Viewpoints – 17
BKWSU Rev SM dated 24.11.2014 wrote: The spiritual Father (S S S) explains to YOU spiritual Children (principal rulers of G A and S A). One is the ‘elevated directions’ of the spiritual Father (S S S) and the other is the ‘devilish dictates’ of Ravan (disseminated after 1969, through ‘mukrar rath’ of Ravan – the DoG – V D D – in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age). The Father’s directions cannot be called devilish dictates. Ravan cannot be called the Father (but the PBKs DELUSIVELY BELIEVE that the DoG is personified GOD or personified ShivBaba, who, IN FACT, is the Godly FORM of Maya). Those are the devilish dictates of Ravan. YOU Children are NOW (prior 1969 in Sakar, and after 1969 in Avyakt) receiving God’s directions. THERE IS SUCH A DIFFERENCE OF DAY AND NIGHT! It enters YOUR intellects that YOU are imbibing divine virtues by following God’s directions. Only YOU Children hear this from the Father (S S S) (while the PBKs get TRICKED into hearing the devilish dictates of Ravan). No one else knows about this. You meet the Father in order to receive wealth from Him. Through Ravan, your wealth continues to decrease. Only YOU (principal rulers of G A and S A) know where God’s directions lead you and where devilish dictates lead you.
BKWSU Rev SM dated 24.11.2014 wrote: The Father says: You remember the Father, numberwise, according to your efforts. Then, when it is the end of the Drama, that is, when it is the end of the old world, that Kingdom will definitely be established, numberwise, according to the effort you made. No one can understand these things from the scriptures. This one (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) HAS STUDIED the Gita, etc., a GREAT DEAL. The Father now says: THAT HAS NO VALUE. However, on the (‘shooting’ of ) path of devotion, they (PBKs, in particular) receive a LOT OF PLEASURE through the ears (kanras) and this is why THEY DON’T (CANNOT) RENOUNCE ANY OF THAT (EVEN THOUGH THEY DO NOT GET ANY TANGIBLE SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCES indicated in the SMs and AVs) ! (THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE WILL EVENTUALLY CONVICT THEM) ! ! !
BKWSU Rev SM dated 24.11.2014 wrote: This Baba (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) knows that he has given his building, his body, on rent. This (body) is also a building in which the soul resides. I (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) have a lot of intoxication that I have rented out my building to God. According to the Drama plan, He (S S S) IS NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY OTHER BUILDING. EVERY CYCLE, HE HAS TO TAKE JUST THIS BUILDING ! This one (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) has great happiness about this, but there was also so much upheaval at that time (prior 1969). This Baba (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) jokingly sometimes says to Shiv Baba: Baba, when I became Your Chariot, I had to take so many insults. The Father says: I (S S S) was the One who was insulted the most and it is now your (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani's) turn. Brahma was never insulted previously, but it is now his turn. He (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) has given his Chariot, and so he understands that he will definitely also receive help from the Father.
NO DOUBT, WHATSOEVER, AS TO WHO IS THE ESPECIALLY CHOSEN PERMANENT Chariot OF S S S ! ! !
BKWSU Rev SM dated 26.11.2014 wrote: You now understand that all the pictures that have been made on the path of devotion are DEFECTIVE. (But Ravan influences the Dog – V D D - to ‘clarify’ those DEFECTIVE pictures, in the SAME DEFECTIVE TENOR, and make them appear as 'EFFECTIVE' in the Inverted Intellects of his gullible followers – CONTRARY to the Pure Shrimat of GOD) ! ! ! YOU have accurate pictures because you are becoming accurate. YOU have now received Knowledge and this is why you understand what is referred to as devotion and what is referred to as Knowledge. YOU (principal rulers of G A and S A) have NOW found the Father, the Ocean of Knowledge, who gives YOU (Pure, Unadulterated) Knowledge.
BKWSU Rev SM dated 26.11.2014 wrote: Why do people (PBKs, in particular - in the 'shooting' period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age) study the (TRUE) Gita (SMs and AVs) so much? THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AT ALL! THEY (the DoG and his gullible followers) JUST TAKE UP A FEW CHAPTERS (random Versions in SMs and AVs) AND EXTRACT THEIR OWN MEANING FROM THEM ! All of that is created by human beings (the DoG and his gullible followers - DELUSIVELY claiming same to be the 'Murlis' or Versions of GOD)! YOU can tell them: By your studying the (FALSE) Gita written by human beings (the DoG, masquerading as Confluence Age Krishna, and his gullible followers), this has become the (degraded) condition of today (in the Yagya, after 1969) !
BKWSU Rev SM dated 26.11.2014 wrote: Now, even very good children become shudras (like the DoG and his gullible followers) once again from Brahmins. This is called being defeated by Maya. You (the DoG and his gullible followers) become defeated in Baba’s lap and go into Ravan’s lap . There is such a difference between the Father’s lap in which you become elevated and the other lap in which you become CORRUPT. You receive liberation-in-life in a second and you reach a stage of complete degradation in a second. Brahmin children know very well how there is degradation. Today, you belong to the Father, and tomorrow, you are caught in the claws of Maya and belong to Ravan (like the DoG and his gullible followers)! Then, when YOU (principal rulers of G A and S A) try to save them, SOME of them are saved. When you see that someone is drowning, you continue to try and save him. There is so much conflict (with those who DO NOT WISH TO BE SAVED – THEY KEEP MEDDLING INCESSANTLY, DELUSIVELY THINKING THAT THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, INSTEAD OF MAKING A FRESH ATTEMPT TO REALIZE THE TRUTH) ! ! !
Pure versions of S S S spoken through the corporeal vehicle of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, BEFORE 1969, EXCLUSIVELY for the ‘saput’, 'sagey', 'mateley' Children - principal rulers of G A and S A!
NO AMBIGUITY WHATSOEVER, as to WHO is the PERMANENT Chariot of S S S !!!

Above versions of S S S, have been HIJACKED by the DoG, AFTER 1969, to FALSELY project himself as Prajapita Brahma, Confluence Age Krishna, Confluence Age Narayan, etc., and CONFIRM his HKhood!

These are CLEAR, ABSOLUTELY INFALLIBLE PROOFS of the HiranyaKashyapHood of the DoG (Defamer of God) and his gullible followers, preparing themselves for the BROTHEL (Vaishalay) – Ravan Rajya - delusively believing OTHERWISE!!!

THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

These aspects would be clarified further, as we move on !!!

With Eternal, Infinite, Imperishable Divine LOVE . . . In Loveful Remembrance of Supreme Soul Shiv,
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It seems the BKs have a special training camp for ex-PBKs where they re-educate then ... or re-confuse them ... and teach them how to fight/confuse PBKs.

They must be seen as being quite valuable to the BKWSU ... like special warriors sent back to fight the "enemy" where they came from.

They seem to combine the worst aspects of both worlds.

No one wins over hearts and minds with that kind of stomping around.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by arjun » 29 Nov 2014

golden heart wrote:He (S S S) IS NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY OTHER BUILDING. EVERY CYCLE, HE HAS TO TAKE JUST THIS BUILDING !
If that was the case, then Gulzar Dadiji shouldn't be considered to be ShivBaba's Chariot. But she is considered by the BKs to be a Chariot. is not that contradictory!!! If we say that Baba Virendra Dev Dixit is the permanent Chariot (mukarrar rath) BKs say that Brahma Baba is the only Chariot quoting the above point. But when we ask about Gulzar Dadi, they are not ready to accept that she is not the Chariot although ShivBaba has clearly stated in the Sakar Murlis that He doesn't enter into virgins, the one in whom He enters also listens, there will not be any physical changes in the one in whom He enters, etc.
You now understand that all the pictures that have been made on the path of devotion are DEFECTIVE.
BKs denounce the pictures of Bhakti which have a metaphorical meaning, but they do not hesitate to display the pictures of numerous bodily beings including Brahma Baba, Mama, Dadis, Didis, Dadas, brothers and sisters, despite our golden heart declaring them to be 'BAGS OF URINE AND *******'. And even decorate them more than the people of Bhaktimarg do. And now there is a trend to organize obituary meetings of all senior BKs and also their death anniversaries all over the BK world.
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Post by Golden Heart » 30 Nov 2014

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,

Classical Opposing Viewpoints – 17A
BKWSU Rev SM dated 26.11.2014 wrote: Why do people (PBKs, in particular - in the 'shooting' period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age) study the (TRUE) Gita (SMs and AVs) so much? THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AT ALL! THEY (the DoG and his gullible followers) JUST TAKE UP A FEW CHAPTERS (random Versions in SMs and AVs) AND EXTRACT THEIR OWN MEANING FROM THEM ! All of that is created by human beings (the DoG and his gullible followers - DELUSIVELY claiming same to be the 'Murlis' or Versions of GOD)! YOU can tell them: By your studying the (FALSE) Gita written by human beings (the DoG, masquerading as Confluence Age Krishna, and his gullible followers), this has become the (degraded) condition of today (in the Yagya, after 1969) !
BKWSU Rev SM dated 26.11.2014 wrote: Now, even very good children become shudras (like the DoG and his gullible followers) once again from Brahmins. This is called being defeated by Maya. You (the DoG and his gullible followers) become defeated in Baba’s lap and go into Ravan’s lap . There is such a difference between the Father’s lap in which you become elevated and the other lap in which you become CORRUPT. You receive liberation-in-life in a second and you reach a stage of complete degradation in a second. Brahmin children know very well how there is degradation. Today, you belong to the Father, and tomorrow, you are caught in the claws of Maya and belong to Ravan (like the DoG and his gullible followers)! Then, when YOU (principal rulers of G A and S A) try to save them, SOME of them are saved. When you see that someone is drowning, you continue to try and save him. There is so much conflict (with those who DO NOT WISH TO BE SAVED – THEY KEEP MEDDLING INCESSANTLY, DELUSIVELY THINKING THAT THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, INSTEAD OF MAKING A FRESH ATTEMPT TO REALIZE THE TRUTH) ! ! !
These are CLEAR, ABSOLUTELY INFALLIBLE PROOFS of the HiranyaKashyapHood of the DoG (Defamer of God) and his gullible followers, preparing themselves for the BROTHEL (Vaishalay) – Ravan Rajya - delusively believing OTHERWISE!!!

THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

With Eternal, Infinite, Imperishable Divine LOVE . . . In Loveful Remembrance of Supreme Soul Shiv,
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