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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by arjun » 30 Jan 2015

1. You Children know that Baba is NOW TEACHING You (principal rulers of G A and S A, through the corporeal vehicle of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, prior 1969). All of these pictures have been created under Baba's directions. Baba enabled them to paint the pictures by giving them divine visions. Some even painted them using their own intellects. It has been explained to you Children that you should definitely write: You are actors in this play. However, none of you know the Creator and Director of this play.
( The DoG implies that S S S is not a Teacher through the vehicle of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, He only recites poetry and does NOT TEACH - A BLATANT LIE of Ravan through the DoG, readily and BLINDLY lapped by his gullible 'puppets' and 'puppies' !!! )
Godly knowledge was just narrated by Shiv through Lekhraj Kirpalani. Neither was the Godly knowledge explained through Lekhraj Kirpalani nor did he understand it. The proof is that ShivBaba said do not keep photos and Lekhraj Kirpalani and Mama went on getting photographed with the children. ShivBaba said do not waste time on Bhog, trance, etc. but all that continued till the death of Lekhraj Kirpalani on a large scale. Baba said do not give drishti and BK teachers continued to give drishti to fellow students. So, how can we believe that ShivBaba played the part of a teacher through Lekhraj Kirpalani????????
2. These Lakshmi and Narayan know nothing of their past. You have the past, present and future in your intellects. You know how destruction takes place and how you build palaces and rule your Kingdom. They definitely will be built. The scenes and scenery of Heaven are absolutely unique. As you continue to play your parts, YOU WILL COME TO KNOW EVERYTHING.
( The L & N of G A are sometimes referred to as ‘royal buddhus’ or ‘royal innocents’ in some Versions of S S S, since they hold nothing of the past Confluence Age in their intellects, at that time. The VERY SAME L & N are sometimes referred to as ‘intelligent’ in some Versions of S S S, when they are in Confluence Age, since they hold the 3 aspects of Time in their intellects, at this time !
The DoG and his gullible followers do not believe that palaces will be built in G A, and consider these points as symbolic, since they COMPLETELY MIX UP the TIME PERIODS of the Heaven established by S S S in G A and S A, and the heaven established by Ravan in C A !!! )
Had Brahma Baba been intelligent Narayan in the Confluence Age he would not have cried on having visions of destruction. He would not have wandered to the places of his numerous gurus and Benares and Haridwar to know the meanings of his visions. Had he been an intelligent Narayan he would not have allowed the children to overpower him or to defy ShivBaba's Shrimat. But all that happened during his lifetime and has been happening manifold after his death.
3. You will see in a practical way whatever is to happen. Heaven definitely has to be created. Those who study well have the faith that they will become the future princes, and that they will have palaces of diamonds and jewels. Serviceable children will have this faith, but those who are going to attain a low status would never even think about how they are to build their palaces. It would be those who do plenty of service who would receive palaces, would it not? There will be maids and servants to serve you. Only serviceable children will have such thoughts. You Children can understand which of you do good service and which ones will bow down to the educated ones. . . .
In the Golden Age, you aren’t concerned about such things. There, there is nothing but gold. Even the bricks are of gold. Whatever is fixed, whatever you saw happen a cycle ago, you will see again.
( Again, the PBKs consider these Versions to be symbolic, since they COMPLETELY MIX UP the TIME PERIODS of the Heaven established by S S S in G A and S A, and the heaven established by Ravan in C A! Those who do not understand these matters ACCURATELY in Confluence Age are the greatest IDIOTS – ‘maha-murkh’ – like the DoG and his gullible followers, who are DESTINED to be maids and servants in G A and most of S A )
Thanks for wishing us to be biggest fools, idiots maids and servants. May you be the world emperor for 5000 years dear golden heart. :D
4. When you develop the power of Yoga by remembering Shiv Baba, no one will be able to slap you. You will then be protected by the shield of your power of Yoga and no one will be able to do anything to you. If you get hurt, there must definitely be some body-consciousness in you. No one would be able to hurt you when you are soul conscious. It must be your own mistake. Reasoning also says that no one can do anything to those who are soul-conscious. This is why you do have to make effort to become soul-conscious.
(The DoG claims he remains in a ‘nirakari’ stage, while S S S teaches BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani in his body, in the latter part of Confluence Age, which is ONE OF THE BEST JOKES OF THE ENTIRE CYCLE!!! However, the DoG gets arrested and beaten up by the police, contrary to above Version of S S S! Probably S S S and BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani must have got REALLY SCARED and DISAPPEARED or VANISHED at THAT TIME ??? )
Baba Virendra Dev Dixit never claimed that he is always in an incorporeal stage. ShivBaba said that Shankar remains in the stage of remembrance. And he has also said that all men are Duyodhans and Dushasans which implies that Baba Virendra Dev Dixit is also a Duryodhan and Dushasan. ShivBaba also said that Shankar is shown to have beard and moustaches which means that he also sinful. That is why Shiv enters in him to make him the purest one.
5. You also have to give everyone this message: God says, "Manmanabhav!” Which God? You Children have to explain this too. YOU WILL BECOME VICTORIOUS THROUGH THIS ONE ASPECT. The intellects of all the people in the world believe that it was God Krishna who said this. Therefore, when you explain to them, they will say that it must be true. However, only when they understand as You have understood will they say that whatever the Father (S S S) teaches must be correct. Krishna wouldn’t say, “No one can know me as I am and what I am ”. Everyone can know Krishna. It is not that God speaks through the body of Krishna (in G A). No! Krishna only exists in the Golden Age. How could God come at that time? God only comes at the most auspicious Confluence Age (in the 84th corporeal vehicle of Shri Krishna - BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani).
( The PBKs believe that the FALSE or APPARENT ShivBaba is the REAL ShivBaba, that is why the above Version has the question – “which God?” The PBKs think that their FALSE or APPARENT ShivBaba – or Shiv-Shankar Bholanath – is the true sermonizer of the true Gita, whereas, he is actually the sermonizer of the FALSE Gita of the outer broad Drama of C A and I A, the ‘shooting’ of which takes place in the latter part of Confluence Age, which is responsible for the TWO MAIN WRONG CONCEPTS of 1. God Krishna – latter part of Confluence Age Krishna, V D D, the DoG – being the sermonizer of the Gita, and 2. Shiv and Shankar to be the same, mixed up or not distinguishable !!! )
Yes, which God is the biggest question. The entire world believes in the incorporeal point of light God. But it is only when He enters in a human medium that it becomes difficult to develop faith. That is why it has been said in the Murlis that you should write on the letter of faith as to what is the name of the world mother and world Father.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by arjun » 30 Jan 2015

BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani is the ‘mukrar-rath’ of S S S because he holds the complete awareness of ENTIRE Confluence Age from the beginning to the middle to the end in his intellect, without any break whatsoever!!! NO OTHER HUMAN SOUL HAS THIS POTENTIAL!!!
If Lekhraj Kirpalani is the mukarrar rath or permanent Chariot, he should be physically present throughout the Confluence Age, if not through one body, through two bodies in two different births. But his role has been reduced by more than 50 years. So, how can he be the permanent Chariot? Since Brahma Baba has not taken rebirth, he has the awareness of whatever happened before 1969. Souls with subtle bodies (ghosts or angels) are supposed to have such powers even in the outside world. That does not make them the permanent chariots of God.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by arjun » 30 Jan 2015

DG is NOT the Sakar Chariot of S S S in the sense that PBKs delusively believe to be the understanding of (REAL) BKs. The ONE and ONLY Chariot of S S S in Sakar is BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani. The part played by S S S and BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani together, after 1969, through the vehicle of DG is an Avyakt part, where S S S continues to sustain the Children through the subtle vehicle of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani. This aspect has already been discussed earlier in this thread. Many are of the WRONG understanding that the body of DG jerks on the entry of S S S and BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, which is incorrect. The body of DG jerks on the EXIT or MERGING of the consciousness of DG in the subtle awareness. (This point has also been clarified in this forum in another thread several years ago, but the corrupted and impure intellects of the gullible followers of the DoG cannot absorb and retain such clarifications, and they are not destined to do so in Drama, according to their Karma and parts which they have to play in the Drama). Only when, after a short while, the eyes of DG actually open once again, the lights are turned on, when the actual entry of both S S S and BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani together has taken place. The actual second when this entry occurs cannot be determined on a gross level, since it is between the jerk of the body and the opening of the eyes! The time of these visits have to be scheduled in advance to facilitate the meetings of innumerable souls across the World. The BLIND followers of the DoG CANNOT COMPREHEND ANY OF THESE SUBTLE OCCURRENCES DUE TO THEIR GROSS BODY-CONSCIOUSNESS and IMPURE INVERTED INTELLECTS!!!
When Dada Lekhraj (Brahma Baba) was alive ShivBaba used to enter into him whenever He wished. He also used to narrated Murlis almost everyday morning and many a times even in the nights. Apart from this the knowledge narrated while meeting the children personally or in parties was also supposed to be considered as Murlis. This process continued from 1947-48 to 1969.

After the demise of Brahma Baba in 1969, the BKs thought that the Supreme Father Shiva had returned to the Soul World and once in a while enters into the body of BK Gulzar Dadi along with the subtle body of Brahma Baba (who was supposed to be living in the Subtle Region after leaving his body). But as per the belief of Advance Party or AIVV based on the clarification of Murlis and Avyakt Vanis given by ShivBaba through the medium of Baba Veerendra Deo Dixit (whom we consider to be Prajapita or Shankar), it is only the soul of Dada Lekhraj which enters into the body of Dadi Gulzar to narrate Avyakt Vanis. Cogent proofs are available for this and have already been discussed in separate topics.


In the beginning, the frequency of Avyakt Vanis was almost every alternative days. Avyakt Vanis used to be narrated almost throughout the year. But slowly the frequency reduced to weekly once, that too only for a few months from October/November to March/April. Now the frequency has further reduced to just once or twice in a month.

The reason for this gap in the narration of Avyakt Vanis is that it is not the Supreme Soul Shiva but the human soul of Dada Lekhraj (Brahma) which enters into the body of BK Gulzar Dadi to narrate Avyakt Vanis.

The Supreme Soul Shiva possesses neither his own physical body nor a subtle body. So when the Supreme Soul Shiva enters into a human body, there is no physical effect on the body in which He is entering. There was no physical changes inBrahma, and even Brahma used to simultaneously hear whatever was being narrated by ShivBaba through him. Whereas, the soul of Dada Lekhraj has a own physical body by that name. And when he left that body, he continued to possess a subtle body with those features. When such a soul of Dada Lekhraj enters into the physical body of Dadi Gulzar along with its subtle body, it has a physical effect on the body of Dadi Gulzar. This can be proved by the physical jerk that Dadi Gulzar experiences as soon as the soul of Dada Lekhraj enters into her. All her physical features change, like the continuously smiling radiant face, voice in whispers, bare minimum body movement for long-long hours (even 12 hours at a stretch witnessed by me personally), without any pain being reflected on the face. The soul of Dada Lekhraj overpowers the body of Dadi Gulzar, who loses her self-consciousness as long as the Avyakt Vani is narrated. After the soul of Dada Lekhraj leaves her body, she regains her self consciousness, but does not remember anything from the Avyakt Vani that is narrated through her. She reads the printed Avyakt Vani later on to know what was narrated through her body.

Apart from this ShivBaba has said in the Murlis narrated through Dada Lekhraj (Brahma) that Shiva does not come on being requested by someone. He comes running, whenever he wishes. The date, time and place of the birth (i.e. horoscope) of human souls can be recorded, but the date and time of the divine birth (i.e. entry into some other soul’s human body) of the Supreme Soul Shiva cannot be recorded. Hence, when the dates of narration of Avyakt Vanis are being fixed many days in advance, it proves beyond doubt that it is only a human soul (Dada Lekhraj) who is entering into the body of Dadi Gulzar.

It is because of the physical effect that is caused by the entry of the soul of Dada Lekhraj along with its subtle body into Dadi Gulzar that the frequency of Avyakt Vanis has been reducing with every passing year.

“It is famous only for the Supreme Soul – O purifier of the sinful ones. He even comes in a sinful world and a sinful body. The name of the sinful body is Prajapita Brahma. He enters in this one and says – I enter in an ordinary human body of the last one of many births. It is Radha and Krishna who take many births. The last one of their many births is ordinary. He does not say that – I enter in a pure body. God says – I enter in an ordinary body. Well, God certainly comes and explains to the souls through this ordinary body that – I am the Supreme Father Supreme Soul. I am not the soul of Krishna, nor am I the soul of Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar. I am the Supreme Father Supreme Soul, who is called ‘Shiv Parmaatmaay namah”. I have come in this one. I don’t enter in the Subtle Region dweller Brahma. I have to come and purify the sinful ones here. It is through me that that Subtle Region dweller Brahma has become pure. This is why he has been shown in a subtle form........The highest on high incorporeal ShivBaba is God. In order to give the inheritance He will certainly come in the body of Brahma. This is Prajapita Brahma; the Subtle Region dweller Brahma will not be called Prajapita. Will the subjects (praja) be created there? We Brahmakumar-kumaris are in a corporeal form; so Prajapita is also in a corporeal form. Come and understand this secret. We do not call this Dada as God. He is Prajapita; ShivBaba comes in his body to make us pure. Nobody is pure here. Instead of Trimurti Shiv they have mentioned Trimurti Brahma. But there is no meaning of Trimurti Brahma.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 24.11.07, pg 1&2 published by BKs)

- BKs say that Shiv enters in the Subtle Region dweller Brahma and together they enter in Gulzar Dadi to narrate the Avyakt Vanis. But Baba is telling that I do not enter in the Subtle Region dweller Brahma. And He is also telling that we Brahmakumar-kumaris are in a corporeal form; so Prajapita is also in a corporeal form. Does it not mean that ShivBaba is playing a part through Prajapita Brahma in this world itself?

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by arjun » 30 Jan 2015

Arrogant PBKs are disallowed in BK Centres, and forcibly evicted, if required, to prevent them from causing ‘disturbance’ to other souls, as per the code of conduct of any University. Those PBKs who were made such FOOLS and LATER REALIZE that they were taken for a ride by the DoG, and wish to return to a BK Centre, are allowed to do so, after an undertaking that they would not cause any ‘disturbance’ to other souls. Similar policy is copied by the DoG in his DoGly University, meant for DoGs, who are well trained to keep on ‘barking’ incessantly with the CORRUPTED and ADULTERATED Versions of the PURE Knowledge of S S S !
Thanks for accepting that physical force is used by BKs to evict PBKs.
It is reiterated that there is no hatred or anger towards any individual or any Organization; only clarifications are being provided, and that too, only for the benefit of those who are interested in same. No one is obliged or forced to consider or even read these clarifications! Those whose hearts and minds have been sowed with the seeds and venom of hatred and anger, right from inception of the CORRUPTED knowledge, by the DoG, will, of course, ‘see’ through these ‘coloured glasses’ of hatred and anger, and continue to harbour same within their sanskars, and think that those who are providing clarifications of the REAL and ACTUAL TRUTH, have hatred and anger within them, directed against them! If someone is told that a donkey is a donkey – that cannot be considered to be hatred or anger, but a simple statement!!! If a postman brings a telegram containing bad news, one does not consider the postman to be responsible for same and one does not accuse and attack the postman, as some of the PBKs are prone to do, being COMPLETE IDIOTS (maha-murkh)! Similarly, if one sees one’s face, when in a bad mood, in a mirror, one does not blame or swear at the mirror and one does not hate or break the mirror, as some of the PBKs are prone to do, being COMPLETE MORONS!

There cannot be any HARMFUL venom in a TRUE Golden Heart – ONLY MERCY, COMPASSION and BENEVOLENCE FOR ALL - that ALL SOULS would EVENTUALLY RE-cognize S S S and reach their TRUE DESTINATION!
Every word that you write is a proof of the deep rooted hatred and anger that you have for the PBKs and Baba Virendra Dev Dixit. You have been consistently using abusive language on this forum against us and pretending to have a golden heart. Please continue till your stocks of abusive words last. :cool:

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by arjun » 30 Jan 2015

Regarding the TRINITY parts of S S S – Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar – these aspects have already been discussed in this thread earlier. Further clarifications will follow, as considered appropriate!
I have not seen any clarification regarding the roles of Vishnu and Shankar. But of course without any Murli proof you have been declaring the parts of many PBKs including Sister Vedanti who continues to be a sincere BK as the last Sita of the Copper Age. I have not seen a single Sakar Murli or Avyakt Vani where Sister Vedanti has been referred to as the last Sita. Perhaps in the over enthusiasm of defaming the PBKs and Baba Virendra Dev Dixit you have started defaming Sister Vedanti as well who is a part of your own organization. A BK similar to you while depicting Baba Virendra Dev Dixit and other PBKs as heads of Ravan included Sister Vedanti as a head of Ravan.
Regarding L & N of G A being ‘royal buddhus’ or ‘royal innocents’ the term is used to convey their awareness, which becomes limited, from unlimited, at that time. The reference of being intelligent is for the SAME L & N of G A, when these same souls are in Confluence Age, when their awareness is unlimited, due to their link with S S S. This does not refer to the DoG, who delusively claims that he and Sr V are Confluence Age L & N! However, this reference of the DoG applies to the confluence between S A and C A, when KDD-S is the RajyaMata (Queen Mother), being the 11th Sita of S A, and V D D and Sr V are the last sovereigns of S A, instrumental to give corporeal birth to the souls of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani and Om Radhe, as twins, being the 1st sovereigns of C A, considered to be the ‘Satyug’ or Paradise of Ravan Rajya in the very beginning of C A of the outer broad Drama. ALL the corrupted clarifications given by V D D pertain to this period and these relationships, and should not be confounded with the relationships in the beginning of, and prior to G A, which are TOTALLY DIFFERENT. These aspects would be clarified further as we move on.
Already clarified in above replies. Golden heart has declared the parts of different souls without any Murli proofs. It is upto the readers to decide what they wish to believe.
When S S S leaves points unexplained, stating that they are deep points to be understood, He means that such points have to be understood in the RIGHT COTEXT by the souls, NUMBERWISE, according to their part in Drama. Ravan or Maya uses this point to ADULTERATE, POLLUTE and CORRUPT EVERY PURE VERSION of S S S, through the DoG, making his gullible followers believe that such TWISTED clarifications in the WRONG CONTEXT are “deep points to be understood” which have an ‘UNLIMITED’ meaning, and COMPLETELY TRICKS them HOOK, LINE and SINKER!!!
Yes, this is the reason why after the demise of Brahma Baba the BKWSU empire has been divided into different zones, sub-zones, zones within cities, centers, gitapathshalas, different departments and heads of these various fiefdoms do not see eye to eye. They fight just like the small kings of the Iron Age. Each teacher interprets the Murlis according to his/her convenience to keep the gullible followers under their control.
Embodied souls CANNOT see other souls in living bodies in C A and I A due to their body-consciousness. Even in G A and S A embodied souls are ONLY aware that they are souls in living bodies, but they DO NOT SEE the soul in the living body, since they no longer have the ‘third eye’ there! The ability to see others as souls, and see the Supreme Soul the WAY HE ACTUALLY IS, is afforded only in Confluence Age, and this can ONLY BE PERFECTED by COMPLETELY detaching from the consciousness of the body. If one is trying to forget one's own body, by remembering S S S in another body, the TWO ACTIONS are MUTUALLY CONTRADICTORY and hence COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE, and soul-consciousness can NEVER BE PERFECTED in this manner!!!
Baba has said in the Murlis that when someone is in real soul consciousness then ShivBaba is with him/her. Practicing soul consciousness and seeing others as souls is not at all contradictory with seeing the Supreme Soul within the body. It appears difficult only for those who have spent more time in the Supreme abode as souls.
The gullible followers of the DoG BLINDLY believe that BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani is dead or has vanished from the scene; WHEREAS, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani is VERY MUCH ACTIVE and involved in the PROCESS of World Transformation on the subtle level, along with S S S! ! ! No matter how many clarifications may be given, these subtle aspects can NEVER be grasped by a mind which is immersed in body-consciousness! EVERYTHING begins to become CRYSTAL CLEAR with the progressive development of subtle-consciousness and soul-consciousness, with ACCURATE remembrance of S S S !!!
We never said he has vanished. We are repeatedly saying that the soul of Brahma Baba is still studying Godly knowledge through the body of Shankar. He is depicted as the Moon on the forehead of Shankar. He will ride in Shankar's body as long as Shankar has not become karmaateet. As soon as Shankar becomes karmaateet or as soon as the learning (padhaai) of the soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani is over, he will vanish from his body. Then Shankar will ride on the bull (Lekhraj Kirpalani).
“This is ShivBaba's living home”(BKWSU Rev SM dated 23.02.07)
The reference is EXCLUSIVELY to the vehicle (in Sakar prior 1969, and in akar after 1969) of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, and has no reference to the Sakar part of V D D at all ! ! ! However, this point is hijacked by the DoG after 1969 to FOOL the PBKs that his body is the living home of S S S, when, IN FACT, it is DEFINITELY the LIVING HOME of Ravan or Maya to establish Ravan Rajya !!!
People are free to remember Supreme Father Shiv as a point of light in the Supreme Abode or through His living home, the present corporeal Chariot who according to us PBKs is Shankar.

Thanks, dear golden heart once again for showering so many valuable gems on us. Om Shanti.

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Post by Golden Heart » 31 Jan 2015

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,
BKWSU Rev SM dated 30.01.2015 wrote: You Children know that ONLY THE ONE Father (S S S) is the Lord of the Tree (Vrikshpati). He is our Father as well as our Husband. He is also the Father of everyone else. This is why He is praised as the Husband of all Husbands and Father of all Fathers! This praise only belongs to the incorporeal One (S S S). The praise of Shri Krishna is compared to the praise of the Father. Shri Krishna is a prince of the new world. How could he teach Raja Yoga in the old world at the Confluence Age? You Children (principal rulers of G A and S A) NOW (prior 1969) understand that God (S S S) is TEACHING YOU (through His mukrar-rath, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). You become those (deities) after STUDYING AT THIS TIME (prior 1969)!
( The COMPLETE spiritual IDIOT – ‘maha-murkh’ DoG – V D D, under the ACTIVE influence of Ravan or Maya, SUCCESSFULLY TRICKS his gullible followers – STUPID MORONS – into believing that S S S does not TEACH through the corporeal vehicle of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, but only recites poetry, which no one understands clearly, and there is no STUDY there – only ‘juice for the ears’ or ‘kanras’- a BLATANT LIE of Ravan through the DoG, readily and BLINDLY lapped by his gullible 'puppets' and 'puppies' !!! )

“ShivBaba (S S S) also says that I initially explain to this one (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). THIS (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is ShivBaba's living home. First of all THIS ONE (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) LEARNS. Then the adopted Children are LEARNING FROM HIM numberwise. THESE ARE VERY DEEP MATTERS. The bestower of true salvation, the purifier of the sinful ones comes Himself and explains all these secrets. It is not that he gives inspiration from there. He comes here.” (BKWSU Rev SM dated 23.02.07)
( Although, the gullible followers of the DoG, carry the PURE Versions of S S S on the ‘BACK’ of their CORRUPTED intellects, like DONKEYS, THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AT ALL, in the RIGHT PERSPECTIVE – see the PURE Version of S S S posted earlier in this thread regarding this matter, below !!! S S S CLEARLY says that HE EXPLAINS to BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, who LEARNS; and other Children – the principal rulers of G A and S A - LEARN from S S S & BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, through his corporeal vehicle, prior 1969 – and NOT through the vehicle of the DoG, after 1969! Those who ingest the ‘faeces’ and ‘urine’ from the ‘spiritual anus’ of this Bull, the DoG, receive their inheritance in Ravan Rajya and NOT in RamRajya! These DUMB IDIOTS keep on high-lighting the initial stages of the mind and intellect of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, and HAVE NO PERCEPTION WHATSOEVER of his current ELEVATED STAGE and FUNCTION of an Angel in Confluence Age, since they DO NOT receive any inheritance DIRECTLY from S S S through BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani!!! )
BKWSU Rev SM dated 26.11.2014 wrote: Why do people (PBKs, in particular - in the 'shooting' period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age) study the (TRUE) Gita (SMs and AVs) so much? THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AT ALL! THEY (the DoG and his gullible followers) JUST TAKE UP A FEW CHAPTERS (random Versions in SMs and AVs) AND EXTRACT THEIR OWN MEANING FROM THEM ! All of that is created by human beings (the DoG and his gullible followers - DELUSIVELY claiming same to be the 'Murlis' or Versions of GOD)!
“Brahma doesn’t have a wife. This one (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) simply belongs to the Father. These are such wonderful aspects! THIS one (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is the Mother and Father. He (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is Prajapita, through whom the Father (S S S) creates the Children. Therefore, he is also a Mother. Saraswati is remembered as the daughter of Brahma. The Father sits here and explains all of these things.” (BKWSU Rev SM dated 28.01.15)

“Subtle Region dwellers Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar are called deities. It has not been written anywhere that Prajapita is a Subtle Region dweller. There is no praja (subjects) in the Subtle Region. Prajapita Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is certainly required here. Highest on high is ShivBaba (S S S); then, in the second number is Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani).” (BKWSU Rev SM dated 30.10.07)
( This Version has already been explained earlier in this thread, but no matter how many times the gullible followers of the DoG are explained, they will NEVER BE ABLE TO COMPREHEND the TRUE Versions of S S S, in the RIGHT CONTEXT, due to their INVERTED and IMPURE INTELLECTS! The gullible followers of the DoG COMPLETELY IGNORE the CLEAR Version above, where S S S has clarified that BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani is BOTH Mother as well as Father – for the principal rulers of G A and S A - and obviously NOT for the gullible followers of the DoG, since they are unable to accept or even comprehend what this actually means! Then they suddenly dodge and jump to another point above, like venomous snakes and bewildered monkeys, and take the same COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT so that they may overrule the former point in their intellect, which they cannot comprehend or accept! The point regarding Prajapita Brahma being required here on earth, pertains to the period prior 1969, when Prajapita Brahma – BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani – was in Sakar. AT THAT TIME, S S S does not come in the symbolic, representative complete form of Brahma in Subtle Region, but in the 'effort-maker' corporeal vehicle of Prajapita Brahma – BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani – on earth. When this same Prajapita Brahma – BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani – becomes a COMPLETE ANGEL – sampuran farishta – having achieved his COMPLETE KARMATEET STAGE in 1969, THEN S S S continues to utilise his LIVING SUBTLE VEHICLE for further spiritual service on a subtle level, so as to encourage all concerned souls to also make concerted efforts to experience their subtle consciousness and continue to interact with both S S S and BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani on the subtle level, even while being in a corporeal vehicle! Obviously, those who cannot comprehend these subtle aspects and cannot achieve such a subtle stage, to be able to take the inheritance DIRECTLY from S S S through BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, are left with no option but to look for another vehicle on the Sakar level, like the DoG! Ravan or Maya, through the DoG, then uses ALL the PURE Versions of S S S, by CORRUPTING and ADULTERATING them, by taking them COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT, and by IGNORING Versions which CLEARLY CONTRADICT ALL the LIES, which are propagated for the establishment of Ravan Rajya! )

“Maya (or Ravan, through his ‘mukrar-rath’, the DoG, V D D) attacks even the nice children. Some (most PBKs, in particular) become such FOOLS who say that their direct connection is with ShivBaba (with their FALSE ShivBaba – Shiv-Shankar Bholanath, through the corporeal body of the DoG). But one will certainly have to come in front of Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani), will he not? Alright, even if you go and sit at home; how will you listen to Murli? What will you do? They say – this Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is also an effort-maker (prior 1969). We are also effort-makers. Everyone does study from ShivBaba (S S S), but only when one comes to Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, in Sakar prior 1969, and in akar after 1969) that one can listen (to SM or AV), isn’t it? Listen (to SM or AV) through inspiration and show, then we would come to know. Then sometimes Baba even stops the (supply of) Murlis (to such children – gullible followers of the DoG). One takes birth from Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) and then dies; then EVERYTHING ENDS (for the PBKs, who BLINDLY follow the DoG). How will they obtain the inheritance (of G A and S A) ? There are many such dullheaded (PBKs), who get spoilt under the influence of bad company (of the DoG). Then tell what will be their fate ? (they will only get the inheritance of Ravan Rajya)! If one causes defamation of the Satguru (incessantly, like the DoG and his gullible followers), then one will not be able to achieve the elevated destination (they then have to become the maids and servants for many births in G A and S A).” (BKWSU Rev SM dated 28.09.07)
( ShivBaba - S S S - is still narrating the Murli or Avyakt Vani, AS and WHEN REQUIRED, using the subtle vehicle of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, through DG, as an Avyakt part, after 1969 to date, for the benefit of concerned souls. However, the DoG and his gullible followers have no official ACCESS to be in the presence of God, due to their INVERTED INTELLECTS and ARROGANCE of body-consciousness. The DoG was thrown out of the Indra-Sabha long ago due to his lascivious vision, when he swore he would ‘screw’ the BK sisters and mothers SOMEHOW and then leave them, which he has been doing ever since – ALL, PERFECTLY, AS PER DRAMA PLAN, OF COURSE – NOTHING NEW !!! )
BKWSU Rev SM dated 28.12.2002 wrote: Only the ONE Father is the Ocean of Knowledge. He shows you the ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE path – Children, now Remember Me so that your sins can be incinerated. You must NOT Remember ANY BODILY BEING! The Yoga of your Intellect should remain united UP ABOVE! It is NOT that BABA is here, so your Intellect should also be here! EVEN THOUGH BABA is here (in the corporeal vehicle of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) then also the Yoga of your Intellect should remain united in the World of Peace (Shantidham)!
“When you develop the power of Yoga by remembering Shiv Baba, no one will be able to slap you.” (BKWSU Rev SM dated 29.01.15)
According to the gullible followers of the DoG, their (FALSE or APPARENT) ShivBaba said that their (FALSE or APPARENT) Shankar remains in the stage of remembrance. So HOW COME HE WAS SLAPPED BY THE POLICE? IT IS VERY CLEAR that THESE THOROUGH IDIOTS (maha-murkh asurs) can NEITHER UNDERSTAND what S S S is saying in His PURE Versions, nor WHAT THEY ARE SAYING themselves – ABSOLUTE ZOMBIES !!! Whenever confronted with the PURE Versions of S S S, they keep on dodging like VICIOUS and VENOMOUS SNAKES – ALL, PERFECTLY, AS PER DRAMA PLAN, OF COURSE – NOTHING NEW – AND NOTHING TO BE PERTURBED ABOUT – “LET THE DEAD BURY THEIR DEAD” !!!
Then again, according to the gullible followers of the DoG, their (FALSE or APPARENT) ShivBaba said that their (FALSE or APPARENT) Shankar is also SINFUL and commits sinful actions!!! These two actions – the act of constantly remaining in the stage of remembrance and the act of committing sinful actions are INCOMPATIBLE!!! Where there is the remembrance of God there CANNOT be Sin, and where there is Sin there CANNOT be the remembrance of God! (Jahan Bap hai vahan pap nahim ho sakta, aur jahan pap hai vahan Bap nahim ho sakta!) This, ONCE AGAIN, PROVES, beyond the slightest doubt, that THESE THOROUGH IDIOTS (maha-murkh asurs) can NEITHER UNDERSTAND what S S S is saying in His PURE Versions, nor WHAT THEY ARE SAYING themselves – ABSOLUTE ZOMBIES – CONFIRMED – Q.E.D. !!!

THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

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“When you develop the power of Yoga by remembering Shiv Baba, no one will be able to slap you.” (BKWSU Rev SM dated 29.01.15)
'To be 'slapped' means to loose faith. It is not about the physical handcuffs. Anyway, ShivBaba has no accounts with any soul or nature. Who or what is it you are seeing?
A few years ago I petitioned for Shivsena to step aside as an admin. Such behavior as above is not tolerated on any forum....

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Post by arjun » 31 Jan 2015

golden heart wrote:Those who ingest the ‘faeces’ and ‘urine’ from the ‘spiritual anus’ of this Bull, the DoG, receive their inheritance in Ravan Rajya and NOT in RamRajya!
What a divine, spiritual and righteous language, dear golden heart!!! You should be given the Nobel Prize for literature in spiritual field!!!!!!! ;-) Dear fluffy-bunny, do you have any connections with the Nobel Prize Committee??? :D If not for literature golden heart can at least be considered for the Nobel Peace Prize for his contribution to enhance peace and harmony between the BKs and PBKs. :cool:

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arjun wrote: We can only watch the behaviour of golden heart as a detached observer.
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Arjun Bhai.....you have said it rightly....one has to watch everything(bk-pbk war of words) as a detached observer.....this is just the beginning.....just wait for the avaykt BapDada's part in Gulzar Dadi to stop in the near future and then see how actual fireworks (bahubal ki ladayee) will start in Mt Abu.....it is said in Murlis : " Do bille apas mei lade aur teesra makhan le jayegaa".["Two cats will fight each other and the third will take away the nectar-butter."]....this statement clearly refers to behad ka Sangamyugi drama and not to the outside world(as BKs-PBKs think)... the two cats here are BKWSU and Aivv and they will fight each other in practical in future....now the fighting is just on paper.

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Arjun Bhai.....you have said it rightly....one has to watch everything(bk-pbk war of words) as a detached observer.....this is just the beginning.....just wait for the avaykt BapDada's part in Gulzar Dadi to stop in the near future and then see how actual fireworks (bahubal ki ladayee) will start in Mt Abu.....it is said in Murlis : " Do bille apas mei lade aur teesra makhan le jayegaa".["Two cats will fight each other and the third will take away the nectar-butter."]....this statement clearly refers to behad ka Sangamyugi drama and not to the outside world(as BKs-PBKs think)... the two cats here are BKWSU and Aivv and they will fight each other in practical in future....now the fighting is just on paper.

1. Shivsena Bhai, but you are clearly, so behind the times....The Bk/old world is now such an unlimited graveyard, there is zero interest there for the Suryavanshi clan.
2.As regards 'detached observer' stage; if we see some retarded/uneducated person creating a disturbance the result of which will result in injury both to themselves and to others then we have a duty to intervene. It is the same as when a disturbed child doesn't recognize the limits of behavior, that child will grow up not knowing right from wrong. Poor behavior should not be condoned or encouraged.
In our case we can only be detached observers as we don't have the power to moderate the forum contributors, you on the other hand have the admin role to intervene when such blatant Trolls as Golden Heart disrupt threads. I am of the opinion that so called 'Golden Heart' is a composite personality. Most likely the combined title of several persona, one of whom is yourself; which is why you are incapable of behaving as a detached observer, and act accordingly.
3. In the outside world governments discuss and debate in a civilized manner, any party member behaving like Golden Heart would be immediately ejected from parliament. However, as he is secretly colluding behind the scenes with the likes of yourself, then we see the sanctioned behavior of a maniac going unpunished.

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button slammer wrote:
1. Shivsena Bhai, but you are clearly, so behind the times....The BK/old world is now such an unlimited graveyard, there is zero interest there for the Suryavanshi clan.
Dear brother.....if you think that Bk-old world has become such a unlimited graveyard, then why are PBKs so much inclined to do service of giving adv-Gyan to bk-souls, who are living in that graveyard....they should just be ignoring the graveyard.

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Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,
BKWSU Rev SM dated 31.01.2015 wrote: 1. The Father (S S S) is the highest Authority, and then, the Father of Humanity (Prajapita Brahma – BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is also the highest authority. THIS Dada (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) IS ALSO THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY (in the Human Realm). There is Shiva and there is the Father of Humanity (Prajapita Brahma – BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). You souls are the Children of Shiv Baba (S S S); and, in your corporeal forms, YOU (principal rulers of G A and S A, in particular) are brothers and sisters, Children of the Father of Humanity (Prajapita Brahma BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). He (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is the great, great grandfather of EVERYONE.
( This Version has been hijacked by Ravan through the DoG, after 1969, to project V D D as Prajapita Brahma, and INSULT GOD - the Father of ALL souls, and the Father of Humanity - BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani; thereby CONFIRMING the HiranyaKashyapHood of the Defamer of God – the DoG ! )

2. There is Shiv Baba (S S S) and there is the Father of Humanity (Prajapita Brahma – BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani); the Father of all souls and the Father of ALL HUMAN BEINGS. THIS IS A VERY GOOD POINT TO EXPLAIN TO OTHERS!
( The spiritual PROSTITUTES, the DoG and his gullible followers, CANNOT RE-cognize THEIR TRUE spiritual Parents, and hence are STILL ORPHANS, making efforts to receive their inheritance of Vaishalay – BROTHEL – since their strong AFFINITY is towards spiritual PROSTITUTION and NOT towards TRUE SPIRITUALITY !!! Hence, it is not feasible to have any sensible discourse with them in TRUE SPIRITUAL MATTERS, and they should be LEFT ALONE to their DESTINY, and their ‘faeces’ should be ignored and avoided! If they are CAUTIONED about the ‘FAECES’ of Reversed Advance Knowledge and ‘URINE’ of BLIND FAITH for their VERY OWN BENEFIT, their ready response would be “ We have been ENJOYING this delicious FARE for 2500 years (in C A and I A), and are currently carrying out the ‘shooting’ of same in (the latter part of) Confluence Age, (after 1969), with our beloved ‘ShivBaba’, whom we consider to be God in Sakar, so why don’t you have some as well and take your inheritance, that is, if you wish to rule in our Paradise (of Ravan Rajya) ??? ” )

3. You Children have to explain very accurately. THERE IS NO QUESTION OF INSULTING ANYONE IN THIS.
( If anyone FEELS insulted, they should be happy that their sins are being absolved !!! )
BKWSU Rev SM dated 24.11.2007 wrote: “It is the praise only for the Supreme Soul (S S S) – O purifier of the sinful ones. He even comes in a sinful world and a sinful body (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). The name of the sinful body is Prajapita Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). HE ENTERS IN THIS ONE (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) and says – I enter in an ORDINARY human body (as compared to the ROYAL 1st deity body of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani himself in G A – Shri Krishna – which has been CLARIFIED in other SMs by S S S CLEARLY, as also in this SM) of the last one of many births. It is Radha and Krishna (Om Radhe & BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani in their 1st ROYAL deity bodies of G A) who take many births. The LAST ONE OF THEIR MANY BIRTHS is ORDINARY (compared to their 1st birth in G A which is ROYAL). He does not say that – I enter in a pure body (of Shri Krishna in G A). God says – I ENTER IN AN ORDINARY BODY (the 84th ORDINARY body of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, as COMPARED to his own ROYAL body in G A, as Shri Krishna; and NOT COMPARED TO ANY OTHER BODY in Confluence Age, which the DoG TRICKS his gullible followers into IMBIBING, to delusively make them believe that he is personified ShivBaba)! Well, God certainly comes and explains to the souls through THIS ORDINARY BODY (of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, prior 1969) that – I am the Supreme Father Supreme Soul (refers only to S S S, and NOT to the DoG, as claimed by him, and delusively believed by his gullible followers). I am not the soul of Krishna, nor am I the soul of Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar. I am the Supreme Father Supreme Soul (refers ONLY to S S S, and no other human soul can claim this title, other than HiranyaKashyap – the DoG – V D D), who is called ‘Shiv Parmaatmaay namah”. I have come in THIS ONE (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). I don’t enter in the Subtle Region dweller Brahma (which is only the symbolic, representative PERFECT form of effort-maker BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani Prajapita Brahma in his corporeal body in Confluence Age, prior 1969) . I have to come and purify the sinful ones here. It is through me that that Subtle Region dweller Brahma has become pure. This is why he has been shown in a subtle form.....The highest on high incorporeal ShivBaba is God. In order to give the inheritance He will certainly come in the body of Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). THIS IS (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) Prajapita Brahma; the Subtle Region dweller Brahma will not be called Prajapita (he is only a symbolic, perfect representation in Subtle Region, AT THE TIME when BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani Prajapita Brhama plays his effort-maker part in Confluence Age in his corporeal vehicle, PRIOR 1969). Will the subjects (praja) be created there (when BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani Prajapita Brahma is in his corporeal body on earth)? We Brahmakumar-kumaris (principal rulers of G A and S A, prior 1969) are in a corporeal form; so Prajapita (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, prior 1969) is also in a corporeal form. COME AND UNDERSTAND THIS SECRET. We do not call this Dada (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) as God. He is Prajapita (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani); ShivBaba (S S S) comes IN HIS BODY (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) to make us pure. Nobody is pure here. Instead of Trimurti Shiv they have mentioned Trimurti Brahma. But there is no meaning of Trimurti Brahma (these are further CORRUPTED INTERPRETATIONS & LIES propagated by the DoG, in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya in latter part of Confluence Age).
( Although, the gullible followers of the DoG, carry the PURE Versions of S S S on the ‘BACK’ of their CORRUPTED intellects, like DONKEYS, THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AT ALL, in the RIGHT PERSPECTIVE !!! )
BKWSU Rev SM dated 26.11.2014 wrote: Why do people (PBKs, in particular - in the 'shooting' period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age) study the (TRUE) Gita (SMs and AVs) so much? THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AT ALL! THEY (the DoG and his gullible followers) JUST TAKE UP A FEW CHAPTERS (random Versions in SMs and AVs) AND EXTRACT THEIR OWN MEANING FROM THEM ! All of that is created by human beings (the DoG and his gullible followers - DELUSIVELY claiming same to be the 'Murlis' or Versions of GOD)!
BKWSU Rev SM dated 06.12.2014 wrote: 1. The INVERTED DICTATES (of Ravan, through the DoG) that have been filled in the intellects of human beings (most PBKs, in particular) for half a cycle (in the ‘shooting’ period of the latter part of Confluence Age, after 1969) CANNOT BE FORGOTTEN QUICKLY. As long as they do not recognize the Father ACCURATELY, till then they cannot receive that strength. The Father says that no human beings (most PBKs, in particular) can improve through the Vedas and Scriptures (the CORRUPTED and ADULTERATED versions - of PURE Knowledge of S S S in SMs and AVs - propagated by the DoG, after 1969 in Confluence Age, in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya). DAY BY DAY THEY CONTINUE TO BE DEGRADED ! ! ! . . .

2. There is no one else who can give the Light of Knowledge other than the Father (S S S). Everyone continues to be deceived by following one or the other (bodily gurus, like the DoG). They (most PBKs, in particular) have completely fallen down and all their strength has been sapped. THEY DO NOT EVEN HAVE ANY STRENGTH IN THE INTELLECT TO KNOW THE Father ACCURATELY ! (COMPLETE ORPHANS and spiritual PROSTITUTES due to the ARROGANCE of their body-consciousness. COMPLETE MORONS and ZOMBIES – CONFIRMED – Q.E.D.) !
HAVE MERCY ON THEM !
FORGIVE THEM – FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SPEAK AND WHAT THEY DO ! ! !


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Dear Brother.....if you think that Bk-old world has become such a unlimited graveyard, then why are PBKs so much inclined to do service of giving adv-Gyan to bk-souls, who are living in that graveyard....they should just be ignoring the graveyard.
As clearly mentioned above: 'The Suryavanshi Clan' have no interest in the unlimited graveyard. Kindly think again.
You are also required to address points 2+3 in the above post.

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button slammer wrote: As clearly mentioned above: 'The Suryavanshi Clan' have no interest in the unlimited graveyard. Kindly think again.
You are also required to address points 2+3 in the above post.
Who is this 'The Suryavanshi Clan'...please clarify.

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Post by shivsena » 01 Feb 2015

button slammer wrote: 2.As regards 'detached observer' stage; if we see some retarded/uneducated person creating a disturbance the result of which will result in injury both to themselves and to others then we have a duty to intervene. It is the same as when a disturbed child doesn't recognize the limits of behavior, that child will grow up not knowing right from wrong. Poor behavior should not be condoned or encouraged.
Nobody is a child on this forum and each soul knows what he is posting.... i will warn Golden heart about his posts, but it is entirely upto him to follow it or not.
3. In the outside world governments discuss and debate in a civilized manner, any party member behaving like Golden Heart would be immediately ejected from parliament. However, as he is secretly colluding behind the scenes with the likes of yourself, then we see the sanctioned behavior of a maniac going unpunished.
Let all PBKs first analyse themselves whether going to bk-exhibitions and centers as un-invited guests and distributing lethal leaflets of body-conscious-adv-Gyan is civilised behaviour or not ?????? ...."Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones at others."

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