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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by button slammer » 01 Feb 2015

BKWSU Rev SM dated 31.01.2015 wrote:
1. The Father (S S S) is the highest Authority, and then, the Father of Humanity (Prajapita Brahma – BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is also the highest authority. THIS Dada (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) IS ALSO THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY (in the Human Realm).
1. Well, where is this 'THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY' in the human realm? In what way in something non-existent human? Where on earth is this BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani? If you consider God to be present in One, then in whom and where is this Authority present in a permanent way?
''You souls are the Children of Shiv Baba (S S S); and, in your corporeal forms, YOU (principal rulers of G A and S A, in particular) are Brothers and Sisters,''
2. We are not being taught to be rulers in the Golden and Silver Age. This is like saying we are studying to become an engineer, teacher, artist in the next birth. The definition of Raj Yoga means to become self sovereign in this birth itself. Who is it that gives birth to the souls of Radhe and Krisna in the Golden Age? The creation cannot be higher than the Creator.
''You souls are the Children of Shiv Baba (S S S); and, in your corporeal forms, YOU (principal rulers of G A and S A, in particular) are Brothers and Sisters, Children of the Father of Humanity (Prajapita Brahma BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). He (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is the great, great grandfather of EVERYONE''
3.Souls are brothers. To consider ourselves as brother and sister in a lesser teaching. The aim is to become soul conscious and to see one self as a soul and others also. Nowhere is it mentioned "sisterhood''.
'' Children of the Father of Humanity (Prajapita Brahma BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). He (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is the great, great grandfather of EVERYONE.''
4.You say we are '' Children of the Father of Humanity (Prajapita Brahma BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani)'' This would then make us Brahmins ie; mouth born progeny of Brahma. If this is the case, then who gave birth to Brahma? Through whose mouth was Brahma Baba born?
Relationships are created and maintained through the corporeal form. Who and where is the corporeal Father of Humanity present that you claim is the Father of Humanity? A spirit or a ghost cannot claim this role, nor can you or the rest of the world either claim it or accept it, nor can the sack of bones of the corpse of Dada Lekraj claim this role. What is it that a corpse attracts? Nothing but worms and germs.
''2. There is Shiv Baba (S S S) and there is the Father of Humanity (Prajapita Brahma – BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani); the Father of all souls and the Father of ALL HUMAN BEINGS. THIS IS A VERY GOOD POINT TO EXPLAIN TO OTHERS!''
3. However you have yet to understand this point yourself let alone explain it to others. First of all it is clear that you consider ShivBaba to be a point of light in the Soul World. This by definition is incorrect. Shiv is the only soul who is self aware, and who makes us self aware, and aware of our roles in the drama, the only soul to have a name. Baba means a corporeal form ie; that of a Father. So this definition means two personalities; the soul of Shiv and also the soul of the corporeal form. Shiv alone is unidentifiable, unrecognisable from any other soul as all souls are identical in form, but not in quality. Shiv can only be recognized as the highest authority in the corporeal form as there is no high and low in the Soul World/Paramdham. Virtues and vice are not present there, only in the corporeal world does karma exist. So you have attached a third personality, that of Lekhraj Kirpalani onto the combined form of ShivBaba? So even your baseline explanation does not tally with any basic definitions as given in any Sakar Murli. If the foundation is proven flawed then should we proceed past this point?
At every step in your thread fundamental errors emerge in understanding even the basic concepts of Gyan, let alone discussing advance knowledge. Unless and until these aspects are addressed no good can come of any further discussion. This is why the Suryavanshi have no interest in those who worship ghosts and spirits. There is enough service to be done in other ways according to srimat.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by arjun » 01 Feb 2015

shivsena wrote:Nobody is a child on this forum and each soul knows what he is posting.... i will warn Golden heart about his posts, but it is entirely upto him to follow it or not.
It is as good as doing nothing and silently supporting the abusive language of golden heart.
Let all PBKs first analyse themselves whether going to bk-exhibitions and centers as un-invited guests and distributing lethal leaflets of body-conscious-adv-Gyan is civilised behaviour or not ?????? ..."Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones at others."
You know very well that PBKs don't go to each and every BK center or each and every BK programme. It is very rarely that PBKs go to the BK centers. Generally it is the new PBKs who go to their concerned BK center once or twice to give message to their former colleagues. As regards the public programmes of BKs, it is only in very big programmes of BKs where BKs are expected to attend in large numbers that some PBKs opt to go to distribute leaflets of knowledge. Even in such programmes PBKs are advised not to enter their venue but to distribute the pamphlets away from the venue to the BKs going towards the programme or returning from there. And I can tell you with surety that it is only in large metropolitan cities where there are considerable number of PBKs that they gather courage to go to such programmes. So, more than 90 percent of BK programmes and BK centers remain untouched by the PBKs. Even till date the percentage of PBKs or PBK centers when compared to the BKs or BK centers is miniscule. So, your comparison of golden-heart's behaviour with the rare acts of PBKs is highly biased. golden heart has been consistently using abusive language and we have been consistently replying to him or her in an appropriate langauge without using any filthy words that he/she is using. Still you wish to compare golden heart with the PBKs. I think it only goes on to prove your bias rather than your quest for truth. You keep on posting so many quotes on truth but you don't have the courage to speak the truth or to decide in favour of righteous behaviour, just because you consider us to be your enemies.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by fluffy bunny » 01 Feb 2015

My question to golden heart would be ... "do you feel good doing what you are doing?".

If so ... regardless of whether the PBKs are right, wrong or Satanic ... then you should be worried about the nature and condition of your own inner being because it is ugly activity. If you cannot speak nicely, it is better to say nothing at all.

There is no where in the BK Gyan, to my best knowledge, where this kind of anti-anyone activity is encouraged. Indeed, the example I remember is even when the thug came to attack or kill Lekhraj Kirpalani, he did not resist or attack him. And there is plenty of advice about how deity souls should speak and act.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Call yourself 'ugly heart' and I would not worry so much for you, but calling yourself 'golden heart' comes across as smug and conceited.
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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by shivsena » 02 Feb 2015

Dear brother golden heart.

We are all civilised souls on this forum discussing this wonderful yet controversial Godly Gyan and sharing our interpretations of Murli-Vani mahavakyas....we can agree on some points and dis-agree(on certain points) without hurting other members sentiments.....so Please tone down the nature of your posts and please do not use the word DOG for Virendra Dev Dixit-(guru of PBKs) in future, as it hurts their sentiments (including mine)....you can describe -Virendra Dev Dixit's part by more appropriate words frequently used in Murlis-Vanis such as Ishwariya Maya-Ravan-Shaitan etc (as this role is perfectly being played by only one soul-Virendra Dev Dixit)....admin. reserves the full right to delete your future posts, if they contain any obnoxious words describing -Virendra Dev Dixit and PBKs.....i hope you will abide by my request and co-operate to make this forum a better place for a healthy discussion of Godly-Gyan.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by fluffy bunny » 02 Feb 2015

Why not just make your posts more personal, Golden Heart?

Tell us your story.

How and why did you get into BKism, why did you leave? How and why did you get into PBKism, why did you leave?

Do you go back to the BKs again? Are you part of some other sub-BK cult like the Vishnu Party?

Why do you feel the need to goad and insult PBKs? Do the BKs encourage you to do so?

Let's keep the conversation real rather than theoretical.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by pbkindiana » 06 Feb 2015

shivsena wrote:
as it hurts their sentiments (including mine).
Don't try to be goody-goody -- as you are extremely elated when others condemn Baba Virendra Dev Dixit. Based on your derogatory remarks in your postings, it shows that you are no different from them. Have some integrity in you.

There is a Muslim proverb --- the crab asked her kids to walk straight --- asking others to walk straight when you yourself are unable to walk straight.
...you can describe -Virendra Dev Dixit's part by more appropriate words frequently used in Murlis-Vanis such as Ishwariya Maya-Ravan-Shaitan etc
That was spoken by Shiva and are you Shiva to use such words. Shiva always had used the word prostitute, so do I have the right to use it on others. Have a civilized diplomatic mind and being an admin of this forum, show good guidelines in your postings. If you want to preach philosophy, then practice it!

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by shivsena » 07 Feb 2015

pbkindiana wrote:
Don't try to be goody-goody -- as you are extremely elated when others condemn Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit. Based on your derogatory remarks in your postings, it shows that you are no difference from them. Have some integrity in you.

There is a Muslim proverb --- the crab asked her kids to walk straight --- asking others to walk straight when you yourself are unable to walk straight.
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Post by pbkindiana » 07 Feb 2015

It is no use walking anywhere to preach unless our walking is our preaching.

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ACCURATE REMEMBRANCE !

Post by Golden Heart » 07 Feb 2015

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,
BKWSU Rev SM dated 07.02.2015 wrote: 1. गायन भी है-एक है अन्धे की औलाद अन्धे और दूसरे हैं सज्जे की औलाद सज्जे । धृतराष्ट्र और युद्धिष्ठिर नाम दिखाते हैं । अभी यह तो औलाद हैं रावण की । माया रूपी रावण है ना । सबकी रावण बुद्धि है, अब तुम हो ईश्वरीय बुद्धि । बाप तुम्हारी बुद्धि का अब ताला खोल रहे हैं । रावण ताला बन्द कर देते हैं । कोई किसी बात को नहीं समझते हैं तो कहते हैं यह तो पत्थरबुद्धि है !
It is also remembered that there are the blind children (most PBKs, in particular) of the blind (Godly form of Ravan – V D D); and the enlightened Children (principal rulers of G A and S A) of the Enlightened (S S S, through the mukrar-rath of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). The names ‘Dhritarashtra’ and ‘Yudhishthira’ are symbolic. They are Ravan’s children. Ravan is Maya (enacting through the mukrar-rath of V D D and his gullible followers). Everyone (every child of Ravan) has a devilish intellect; whereas, You (principal rulers of G A and S A) have Godly intellects. The Father is now opening the locks on your intellects; whereas, Ravan closes the locks (of the devilish – kaput – children, in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age, after 1969). When someone doesn’t understand anything he is said to have a STONE intellect (stupid, idiot, moron, zombie).

2. यहाँ बाप की याद दिलानी पड़ती है । इसमें मेहनत लगती है । अपने को आत्मा समझ बाप को याद करो - यह बहुत मेहनत का काम है । तब बाबा कहते हैं योग में ठहर नहीं सकते हैं । बच्चे लिखते हें-बाबा याद भूल जाती है । ऐसे नहीं कहते कि ज्ञान भूल जाता है । ज्ञान तो बहुत सहज है ।
Here, you have to be reminded of the Father. It is this remembrance that takes effort. CONSIDER YOURSELF TO BE A SOUL AND REMEMBER THE Father. THIS WORK TAKES GREAT EFFORT. That is why Baba says: You aren’t able to stay in Yoga constantly. Children write to Baba and say that they forget to remember Baba. They never say that they forget knowledge. Knowledge is very easy.

3. अच्छे- अच्छे बच्चे जो मुरली तो बहुत अच्छी चलाते हैं परन्तु याद में बिल्कुल कमजोर हैं । योग से ही विकर्म विनाश होते हैं । योग से ही कर्मेन्द्रियाँ बिल्कुल शान्त हो सकती हैं । एक बाप के सिवाए और कोई याद न आये, कोई देह भी याद न आये ।
Very good children who can speak knowledge very well are completely weak in remembrance. Only by having Yoga can your sins be absolved. Only by having Yoga can your sense organs become totally cool and peaceful. THEN THERE WILL BE NO REMEMBRANCE OF ANYONE BUT ONE BABA. THERE WILL BE NO REMEMBRANCE OF ANYONE’S BODY.

4. तुम तो जानते हो हम आत्मायें बाप के बच्चे हैं । ''मामेकम् याद करो'' यह अक्षर भी कहते हैं परन्तु अर्थ नहीं समझते । भल कह देते हम आत्मा हैं परन्तु आत्मा क्या है, परमात्मा क्या है-यह ज्ञान बिल्कुल नहीं । यह बाप ही आकर सुनाते हैं ।
You souls understand that you are the Father’s Children. They (most PBKs, in particular) also use the words, “REMEMBER ME ALONE,” but they don’t understand what that means. They do say that they are souls, but they have absolutely no (EXPERIENCE of) the knowledge of what a soul is or what the Supreme Soul is. Only the Father comes and gives this Knowledge (and enables you to have experience of the Knowledge)!

5. पढ़ाने वाला तो एक ही है । हर एक की अपनी- अपनी तकदीर है । कोई तो स्कॉलरशिप ले लेते हैं, कोई फेल हो जाते हैं । राम को बाण की निशानी क्यों दी है? क्योंकि नापास हुआ । यह भी गीता पाठशाला है, कोई तो कुछ भी मार्क्स लेने लायक नहीं । मैं आत्मा बिन्दी हूँ, बाप भी बिन्दी है, ऐसे उनको याद करना है । जो इस बात को समझते भी नहीं हैं, वह क्या पद पायेंगे! याद में न रहने से बहुत घाटा पड़ जाता है । याद का बल बहुत कमाल करता है, कर्मेन्द्रियाँ बिल्कुल शान्त, शीतल हो जाती हैं ।
There is only the One (S S S) who teaches. Each one has his own fortune. Some claim a scholarship, some fail. Why has Rama (V D D) been portrayed with the symbol of a bow and arrow? Because he failed. This is the study place of the Gita. Some are not worthy of claiming any marks at all.
I, THIS SOUL, AM A POINT. THE Father TOO IS A POINT.
THIS IS HOW YOU SHOULD REMEMBER HIM!
What status would those who don’t understand this aspect claim? When you don’t stay in remembrance there is a great deal of loss. The power of remembrance performs wonders. It makes your sense organs become totally peaceful and cool.

6. मनुष्य तो जो कुछ बोलते हैं सो झूठ । आधाकल्प है झूठ खण्ड, आधाकल्प है सचखण्ड ।
Whatever human beings (V D D and his gullible followers, in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age, after 1969) say, IT IS ALL FALSE ! For the first half of the cycle, there is the land of truth and for the other half (‘shooting’ period of Confluence Age, after 1969); there is the land of falsehood.

7. अब सतोप्रधान बनना है बाप की याद से । तुम रूहानी बच्चे रूहानी बाप के पास आये हो, उनको शरीर का आधार तो चाहिए ना । कहते हैं मैं बूढ़े तन में प्रवेश करता हूँ । है भी वानप्रस्थ अवस्था । अब बाप आते हैं तब सारे सृष्टि का कल्याण होता है । यह है भाग्यशाली रथ, इनसे कितनी सर्विस होती है ।
You now have to become satopradhan by having remembrance of the Father. You spiritual children have come here to the spiritual Father. He needs the support of a body. He says: I ENTER THIS ONE’S (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) OLD BODY WHEN HE IS IN HIS STAGE OF RETIREMENT. The Father comes NOW AT THIS TIME, (prior 1969, in the body of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) then there is benefit for the whole world. This one (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is “The Lucky Chariot”. So much service takes place through him (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani).

8. एक की याद रहे, इसको कहा जाता है अव्यभिचारी याद । किसके शरीर को याद करना - वह है व्यभिचारी याद । याद से सबको भूल अशरीरी बनना है ।
Let there be the remembrance of One; THIS IS CALLED UNADULTERATED REMEMBRANCE (TRUE NUNS – NONE BUT ONE). To remember someone’s body (as advocated by Ravan through his mukrar-rath – V D D) is adulterated remembrance. By having this (UNADULTERATED) remembrance, you forget everyone else and become bodiless.
THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by fluffy bunny » 07 Feb 2015

Why not just make your posts more personal, Golden Heart?

Tell us your story.

How and why did you get into BKism, why did you leave? How and why did you get into PBKism, why did you leave?

Do you go back to the BKs again? Are you part of some other sub-BK cult like the Vishnu Party?

Why do you feel the need to goad and insult PBKs? Do the BKs encourage you to do so?

Let's keep the conversation real rather than theoretical.

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Post by warrior » 08 Feb 2015

golden heart wrote:
7. अब सतोप्रधान बनना है बाप की याद से । तुम रूहानी बच्चे रूहानी बाप के पास आये हो, उनको शरीर का आधार तो चाहिए ना । कहते हैं मैं बूढ़े तन में प्रवेश करता हूँ । है भी वानप्रस्थ अवस्था । अब बाप आते हैं तब सारे सृष्टि का कल्याण होता है । यह है भाग्यशाली रथ, इनसे कितनी सर्विस होती है ।
... He says: I ENTER THIS ONE’S (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) OLD BODY WHEN HE IS IN HIS STAGE OF RETIREMENT. The Father comes NOW AT THIS TIME, (prior 1969, in the body of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) then there is benefit for the whole world. This one (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) is “The Lucky Chariot”. So much service takes place through him (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani).
Golden heart you write in brackets (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) as for the old body. Have you done any research on this? Ask our Dadis who was the old man?

This term old man old body was coined from the early stages of yagia when there was a person there that was called like this - the old man!

Dada Lekhraj said to that person once - Go and retire you are an old man. No more work for you!

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Post by Golden Heart » 08 Feb 2015

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,
Bible – New Testament – KJV - Matthew Ch 6 wrote: V-33: But seek ye FIRST the Kingdom of God, and His righteousness; and ALL these things shall be added unto you ! ! !
THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by arjun » 08 Feb 2015

golden heart wrote:It is also remembered that there are the blind children (most PBKs, in particular) of the blind (Godly form of Ravan – V D D); and the enlightened Children (principal rulers of G A and S A) of the Enlightened (S S S, through the mukrar-rath of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). The names ‘Dhritarashtra’ and ‘Yudhishthira’ are symbolic. They are Ravan’s children. Ravan is Maya (enacting through the mukrar-rath of V D D and his gullible followers). Everyone (every child of Ravan) has a devilish intellect; whereas, You (principal rulers of G A and S A) have Godly intellects. The Father is now opening the locks on your intellects; whereas, Ravan closes the locks (of the devilish – kaput – children, in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age, after 1969). When someone doesn’t understand anything he is said have a stone intellect (stupid, idiot, moron, zombie).
It seems as if golden heart is not afraid of even the Admin's warning or advice and continues to defame the PBKs and Baba Virendra Dev Dixit in the most abusive language. Now it is upto the Admin to decide and prove his impartiality and support for truth which he keeps on quoting every now and then on the forum.

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Post by fluffy bunny » 09 Feb 2015

At least can they ask golden heart to stop hiding behind their mask and start speaking to us on a personal level.


Tell us your story, golden heart.

How and why did you get into BKism, why did you leave? How and why did you get into PBKism, why did you leave?

Do you go back to the BKs again? Are you part of some other sub-BK cult like the Vishnu Party?

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by arjun » 09 Feb 2015

fluffy-bunny wrote:How and why did you get into BKism, why did you leave? How and why did you get into PBKism, why did you leave?

Do you go back to the BKs again? Are you part of some other sub-BK cult like the Vishnu Party?
I hope your repeated efforts to get the above information do not go in vain. But in most probability golden heart was a BK and PBK and then turned back to the BKs because he/she is advocating Lekhraj Kirpalani as the number one soul in the world. Members of ex-PBK or ex-BK cults would not say so.

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