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Re: Sakar Murli & Avyakt Vani points for churning

Post by sita » 27 Jun 2015

With reference to :
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I think inculcation is taking place and the Confluence Age is the age of upliftment for all. There may be difference of opinion, but if a New Age of unity is before us, these differences will merge.

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Re: Sakar Murli & Avyakt Vani points for churning

Post by shivsena » 28 Jun 2015

sita wrote:I think inculcation is taking place and the Confluence Age is the age of upliftment for all. There may be difference of opinion, but if a New Age of unity is before us, these differences will merge.
Soul brother sita.....Unrighteous Gyan of PBKs can never merge with righteous Gyan of ShivBaba. ....Adharm can never merge with Dharm.....Adharm has to be destroyed first, before a new world order can be established. (as per Murlis)

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Re: Sakar Murli & Avyakt Vani points for churning

Post by sita » 28 Jun 2015

shivsena wrote:Soul Brother sita.....Unrighteous Gyan of PBKs can never merge with righteous Gyan of ShivBaba. ....Adharm can never merge with Dharm.....Adharm has to be destroyed first, before a new world order can be established. (as per Murlis)
You are determined to destroy adharm and in this way you are indirectly proving yourself to be God.

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Re: Sakar Murli & Avyakt Vani points for churning

Post by sita » 30 Jun 2015

With reference to :
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Who are those who have been ‘made to believe’ that the souls of the rosary of Rudra(Shiva) are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the souls of the rosary of Runda(Vishnu), with respect to the transition period of the Confluence Age and the Goden Age, and what are the reasons for such ‘MISPLACED’ belief?
I don't know if you have meant this for the PBKs, but they also believe that the souls from the Rudra mala become part of the Rundamala, the difference is that the Rudramala is mala of soul brothers and of single beads, whilst the Rundamala, or the rosary of Vishnu or of victory is of dual beads that is indicative of the family path.

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Re: Sakar Murli & Avyakt Vani points for churning

Post by sita » 05 Jul 2015

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Which Children understand Knowledge CORRECTLY and EXPERIENCE the ‘accurate form’ or ‘yatharth rup’ of God to be a VERY BRIGHT DOT or TINY POINT (source of spiritual light energy), just as they themselves are the SAME - a VERY BRIGHT DOT or TINY POINT (source of spiritual light energy), and what benefits do they derive from such ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED REMEMBRANCE (‘avyabichari Yaad’) of God?
Which children DO NOT understand any aspects of Knowledge AT ALL, in the CORRECT PERSPECTIVE, and mistakenly believe that the ‘accurate form’ or ‘yatharth rup’ of God is a combination of God alongwith the form of an embodied soul, either gross or subtle; and that they have to remember God inside a bodily form of an embodied soul, either gross or subtle; and therefore are unable to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED REMEMBRANCE (‘avyabichari Yaad’) of God ALONE - much to their very own detriment?
It has been said in the Murli that when we remember some soul, first the body (face) comes into the mind and then the soul, because this is the only possible way to identify a soul that manifests itself through a certain body on this earth. When we meet friends, relatives and people during the day we also make effort to maintain our soul-conscious stage by seeing a soul inside a body. God also manifests himself in a body, so why remember him in some different way? Remembrance is easy, like the mother who remembers her child, and is based on knowledge of the name, form, time, place, acts. We have experience on the basis of knowledge that we can remember.

Remembering the Supreme Soul in the body of Brahma was also the legitimate way, during the times of Brahma Baba, when children used to be asked to whose lap have they come. If they were seeing the body - Brahma, they failed, if they were seeing the soul inside the body - ShivBaba they passed. We also practice our soul-conscious stage whilst being in our body, that is like a temporary home of the soul on this earth.

The qualities of the soul, the knowledge that he will speak etc. will all manifest through a body. If all souls are points of lights alike, how to identify God and remember him alone? There is also a point in the Murli that those who remember the supreme Father up above are the community of shudras, they don't know he has come. If a soul is in a body we can have relationship with him, we can sit, eat, be together, we can have love or hatred only towards a personality (embodied soul), not towards a point. And it was said many times in the Murli that "I need a body."

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Re: Sakar Murli & Avyakt Vani points for churning

Post by sita » 27 Aug 2015

With reference to :
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So the centers opened after 1969 cannot be called centers.

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Re: Sakar Murli & Avyakt Vani points for churning

Post by sita » 29 Aug 2015

With reference to :
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While the LAST PRINCE of Silver Age, Shri Rama, who also takes ‘COMPLETE’ 84 births, then becomes the APPOINTED, FIXED or PERMANENT Chariot of Ravan or Maya, (MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’), in his final 84th birth, and is only CONSIDERED to be (APPARENT) ‘Prajapita Brahma’, to be instrumental to give spiritual re-birth to ONLY the UNRIGHTEOUS Brahmins, in the latter part of the Confluence Age
Why last prince? Shri Rama is a king in Silver Age still from the beginning. For the first time I hear about Chariot of Ravan. In the Murli it is said that Ravan does not refer to some personality. Ravan also comes from the beginning of Copper Age and not in the Confluence Age.

But I have not clearly understood who is this last prince of Silver Age, Shri Rama who becomes Chariot of Ravan.

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Re: Sakar Murli & Avyakt Vani points for churning

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sita wrote:Why last prince? Shri Rama is a king in Silver Age still from the beginning. For the first time I hear about Chariot of Ravan. In the Murli it is said that Ravan does not refer to some personality. Ravan also comes from the beginning of Copper Age and not in the Confluence Age. But I have not clearly understood who is this last prince of Silver Age, Shri Rama who becomes Chariot of Ravan.
Thank you. You are the FIRST SOUL who has BEGUN to CHURN on these specific aspects and muster the COURAGE to question regarding same in a sensible manner. Thank you, again.
Just as God is constrained by Drama to reveal only that which is ordained within Drama at the appropriate time for a DEFINITE PURPOSE, the same applies to US also!
However, with the information being currently made available to us, we must continue with our individual efforts to churn further, since COLLECTIVE churning has a DEFINITE PURPOSE, and NO SINGLE INDIVIDUAL is afforded the exclusive privilege to progress spiritually within Drama, WITHOUT the COLLECTIVE supportive inputs or contributions of other souls involved in the operational theatre.

Back to your queries - we have following to offer, for the present -
The last prince of S A, who would obviously CONSIDER himself to be the descendant of the Sun Dynasty, (starting from the very beginning of G A, and not from the beginning of S A), would be holding the entire History of RamRajya (Day of the Cycle) in his intellect, from the very beginning of G A till the very end of S A, in an essence-full form, and therefore would be the most qualified and knowledgeable individual to be the MAIN instrument for the establishment of Ravan Rajya (Night of the Cycle), and be instrumental to TEACH his IMMEDIATE OFFSPRING, (the souls of Shri Krishna and Shri Radhe of G A, re-born as twins to him at THAT TIME), the knowledge essential to govern in the very beginning of Ravan Rajya, when he hands over the reigns of power to them. Thus, in the absence of REAL ShivBaba, who does NOT come down to the corporeal sphere at THAT TIME, the last prince of S A has to be a proxy to Supreme Father Supreme Soul ShivBaba, and perform his designated functions as 'Prajapita Brahma', Confluence Age 'Krishna', Confluence Age 'Narayan', 'Adi Dev', 'JagatPita', etc., at THAT TIME - the 'shooting' of which has to take place in the Confluence Age between I A and G A - which is currently in progress!

The soul of Shri Rama in the very BEGINNING of S A is NOT the same as the soul of Shri Rama at the very end of S A.

Just as Supreme Soul ShivBaba is ALWAYS exclusively a soul, and DOES NOT take a corporeal vehicle, in the normal manner like other embodied souls, in the operational theatre, so also Ravan represents the COLLECTIVE ENERGY of 'NESCIENCE' at any given time in the Cycle, and hence Ravan or Maya is NOT an embodied person, but an ENERGY only, which has to obviously take the support of embodied persons to influence humanity, and such embodied persons must definitely have an EXCLUSIVE LEADER within the Cycle - who has to be CLEARLY identified by concerned souls for their very own benefit, because of the POWER afforded to Ravan within Drama to MASQUERADE as God, and try to FOOL as many souls as possible and DIVORCE them from God!
This is how the PLAY is DESIGNED within Drama!

Ravan comes from the beginning of Copper Age in an EVIDENT form, the 'shooting' of which has obviously to take place in the Confluence Age. In fact, the energy of Ravan commences to generate right from day ONE of G A, but only on a very subtle level, and becomes magnified by the end of S A, and becomes EVIDENT from the beginning of C A, and MAXIMIZES by the end of I A.

Trust above helps for the time being. Do continue with your individual churning and DO NOT HESITATE to pose further SENSIBLE queries on the subject, ONLY AFTER adequately churning further yourself and providing some further inputs, which is the ONLY WAY forward for all of us!

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Re: Sakar Murli & Avyakt Vani points for churning

Post by sita » 30 Aug 2015

It is logical to conclude that the beginning of the Copper Age would be prepared, still from the end of the Silver Age, but the beginning of the Copper Age is also a new beginning, it comes after half destruction. The Copper Age is similar to the Golden Age and the Iron age is similar to the Silver Age. The one who plays a part in the beginning of the Golden Age, also becomes instrumental to lay the foundation of the path of Bhakti. It is said that the more Bhakti one does, the more Gyan he imbibes. But it is also said that bhakt comes from Ravan and Bhakti comes from the Copper Age. We could also expect that the souls who will be active at the end of the Silver Age will be active at the end of Iron age.

For me to say that Ravan gains force (although not revealed) still from the beginning of Golden Age goes against the Murli that says that there is no Ravan in Golden Age and Silver Age. Then if Ravan gains force, still from the beginning of Golden Age, but only at the end of Silver Age or beginning of Copper Age he is able to manifest himself, after that his power again grows. The path of Bhakti gains momentum. So we have this Ravan who gains momentum permanently from the beginning of the Golden Age to the end of the Iron age. But how does this Ravan grow? It grows through new souls coming. New souls who come in the other religions are much more than those who come in the deity religion, and souls of the deity religion also convert, but the other religions souls stay firm. Bharatvasis accept matters of everyone, read all the scriptures, but souls of other religions don't do that. So the deity religion that is the original and true religion loses power and the other religions gain power, that are false religions.

If Ravan is energy it would be impurity. This also cannot generate in the Golden Age and Silver Age. If it is ignorance, then it is an opposite knowledge. This opposite knowledge is also not there in Golden Age and Silver Age. Only after the beginning of the Copper Age duality starts.

Ravan is said to be the gurus. But Gurus are not God, they don't pretend to be God. Yes, some Gurus also say that the self is itself God, but generally the gurus show path to God, they teach Bhakti. Ravan does not pretend to be God. He was himself a Brahmin, a student, he was a devotee, but he becomes a ruler, not God. His rule is unrighteous for the practices of abducting females. His rule makes people unhappy, because of the many different directions. Gurus show various and tough ways to reach God, but these ways do not lead to God. These gurus confuse people and make them stumble and they are many in number, like the many heads of Ravan.

It is also logical to expect there will be a leader to the Gurus. Who will that be? Ravan also refers to body-consciousness, bodily Gurus. Bodily gurus are those who on coming, attract people towards the body and they themselves fall prey to that body. After Copper Age, when the religious fathers come, they come in the body of some souls who have already taken rebirth and have become impure. But these souls of the religious leaders who come, are not able to show the path, they are not able to purify the soul in whom they come, but themselves get colored by the company, and start becoming impure and making others impure. Opposed to this we have the supreme Father who purifies. He is the true guru. He also comes in a body, but purifies the soul of the one in whom he comes and purifies everyone who comes in contact.

Ravan Rajya is where many people pretend to be pure, but all are impure in Ravan Rajya. These saints who step in the Ganges and say that the Ganges become pure in their company, these gurus who preach the soul is not affected, etc. Many people pretend to be pure, following the path of Bhakti, but the world continues to degrade. They teach ignorance with regards the matter of becoming pure and impure. Opposed to this, in the Confluence Age, when the impure iron age where all are impure and the pure Golden Age where all are pure meet, one soul will first become pure and through this others will become pure. In fact through the ever pure, all will become pure. So all will become pure through one. So only one ever pure one will be visible amongst the impure ones on one side. On the other side you will see some impure souls, who pretend to be pure, who think they are becoming pure by coming in the contact and company of one another, that the bigger the gathering the more the purity, whilst Baba has said that dirt is accumulated in these fairs. Dirt is accumulated where there is no company of truth, and truth is one and truth is God.

On the field of Krukshetra, there are two armies. There are many eminent warriors in both the armies. All of them are of no use. Victory will be there where God himself is the leader. Where he himself is the purifier and not the human gurus. Where the purifier is only one and not many. Who is the leader of the human Gurus? This one who becomes body-conscious the most. The one in the contact and company of whom one is believed to become pure, but he does not become.

The other difference between ramrajya and Ravan Rajya is that God etablishes the family path. Co-operation of both man and woman is needed. In Ramrajya, form of Vishnu has to be seen. When there would be the most elevate directions of the deities, God will not be there at that time. So in Ramrajya deities in the form of couples will be there.

The other difference between Ramrajya and Ravan Rajya is that the administrative power and the religious power is in a single hand in Ramrajya and in different hands in Ravan Rajya. In Ramrajya there is one authority, he is the administrator and he is the religious leader, he establishes the religion. In Ravan Rajya the one who does the administration is corrupted and religious leader is different and he is a follower.

Ravan Rajya is where the souls of the deity religion join hands with the religious leaders. It happens in the beginning of the Copper Age and in the Confluence Age. This way the old religion loses power and new religions gain power. When god comes he destroys the many religions, so we have to see who speaks the language of whom. Does the religious leaders start speaking the knowledge of God or does the deity souls start speaking the language of the different religions.

The difference between Ramrajya and Ravan Rajya should be visible in the Confluence Age. In Ramrajya there is a single direction, direction of one. In Ravan Rajya there is the direction of many. In Ramrajya the sun shines and you don't see stars, there is one light of knowledge. In Ravan Rajya the moon shines and you see various different stars who sparkle their own knowledge. Their guru is the moon.

In Shivalaya there is worship of many, in vayshalya there is worship of many.

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Re: COMMENTS on "SM & AV points for churning"

Post by sita » 01 Sep 2015

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Righteous children see God as point of light, unrighteous children see the body.

Was there some refining and changing in the conception of God or in the pictures? I think nothing has changed. But it is said there will be change. Can someone suggest what changes could be there? Or is it that if someone suggests some change it would be human opinion.

It is said that there will be change in the pictures, for e.g., the Trimurti. Why? Would there be change in the faces? Would there be change in the people, in the figures who play these parts? When the face of Brahma is shown in the 3 places of the Trimurti it would seem right. But it is said in the Murli that this picture of the Trimurti is not accurate. What is not accurate in it? It is said that the image of Shiva has been removed. But the point of light is shown there above the 3 murtis? What is not accurate in the picture?

Meeting will also change. If in the beginning meeting used to be in Sakar, then in akar and then it would be in nirakar. What would this meeting in nirakar be, because the other two are clear. Is it that if we are in nirakari stage we will be getting touching (we would not need a mobile), it will be as if we are together all the time?

The change of way of meeting could also be interpreted like first in the form of a mother, who is Sakar, then Shankar is subtle. But i have not heard about nirakari meeting in a Murli or Avyakt Vani. Is this an interpretation of the admin that first sakari, then akari and then nirakari. I have not come across the mention of this sequence of meeting first in Sakar, then akar, then nirakar, especially the mention about meeting in nirakar.

There is also this reference that when the rust of the soul will be removed, one would study directly from the Father.

Another point says that from sakari, the Father became akari, from akari - nirakari and then again will become sakari.

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Re: COMMENTS on "SM & AV points for churning"

Post by mbbhat » 02 Sep 2015

Was there some refining and changing in the conception of God or in the pictures? I think nothing has changed.
Some corrections had happened. Eg- Post No. 52 (see the earlier post of this)- here- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... eeth#p6748

And- now, in the same ladder picture, the population which was said initially as - 5 billion is changed to 7 billion.

Even in the Trimurti picture, in which face of Brahma was shown in all the 3 places, has been changed. But, not enough. But, in Avyakt Murlis baba does not stress about pictures much. Baba has also said- in future, the use of pictures would become less.

Baba has also said- I am not Trimurti. - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... enon#p8574

And- changes in it-- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... thi#p12327

Regarding flag, Baba has also said- how it should be- Post No. 82- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... 110#p11578

Again baba has said- now I am meeting lowkik people, but in the end, NO ONE - however great VIP (s)he may be - they cannot meet if (s)he is not pure.

So, not sure how it goes.
There is also this reference that when the rust of the soul will be removed, one would study directly from the Father
I believe for such point, the child becomes independent of knowledge or any Murli points, and just needs only Yaad. There is a also a Murli point- "Jab tumaaree sabhee manokaamanaayein poori ho jaati hai, toh gyaan kee bhee darkaar naheen = When all of your desires are fulfilled, you do not need even knowledge". What (s)he speaks would be equal to words of Baba.

Baba says, "Brahma Baap ko srimath par chalnaa naheen padaa, jo kadam rakhaa srimath huvaa = B Baba had no need to follow srimath, whatever foot step he took became Srimath".

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Re: COMMENTS on "SM & AV points for churning"

Post by sita » 02 Sep 2015

I don't think the lokik people have mixed the Trimurti and have said Trimurti shivjayanti, they say just shivjayanti and many times in the Murli it is said that it is wrong and it should be Trimurti shivjayanti. The point that it should not be Trimurti shivjayanti is because at that time the other murtis were not revealed and also God does not reveal like sarvyapi, he is revealed through one and it is he who is revealed. The Father shows children, so we get to know the Trimurti, then children show, reveal the Father and this has to be Shivjayanti (through one, not trough three) because only one, only Shankar is called Shiv, Shiv-Shankar. Although souls are different, but body is one.
2)SM 20-4-89(1):- Yah bhi bachche jaante hain Rudr_mala bhi hai jo gaayi aur pooji jati hai. Simiran ki jati hai. Bhakt_mala bhi hai. Oonche oonch bhakton ki maalaa hai. Hai to saari bhakt_mala, Ravan_mala. Is kalp ke Sangamyug ke pahle jo bhi hain sab hai Ravan_mala. Usmey phir bhakt_mala bhi hai. Bhakt_mala ke baad honi chahiye gyaan_mala. Bhakti aur gyaan hai na. Bhakt_mala bhi hai to rudr_mala bhi hai. Peeche phir rund_mala kaha jata hai. Kyonki oonche te oonch manushy srushti may hain Vishnu jisko sookshm_vatan may dikhate hain. LN raajy to yahaan karte hain to kahenge Vishnu ki rund_mala bhi hai. Prajapita Brahma to yah hai. Unki mala zaroor hai. Aakhrin yah mala bann jaayegi. Tab hi vah rudr_mala aur Vishnu ki rund_mala banegi. Oonche te oonch hai ShivBaba. Phir oonch te oonch hai Vishnu ka raajy. Yah Trimurti jo dikhaya hai- usmey hona chahiye Brahma Vishnu aur Shiv na ki Shankar. Parantu baaju may Shiv ko kaise rakhen? To phir Shankar ko rakh diya hai. Aur Shiv ko oopar may rakha hai. Usmey shobha achchi hoti hai. Sirf do(=two) shobha nahin dete. Shankar ki mala nahin kahenge. Brahma Vishnu aur Rudr Mala; Bas. Shobha ke liye Bhakti may kitney chitr banaye hain. Parantu gyaan kuch bhi nahin hai. Tum jo chitr banate ho unki pahchaan deni hai to manushy samajh jaaye. Nahin to Shiv Shankar ko mila dete hain. Baba ne samjhaya hai sookshm_vatan may bhi saari saakshaatkaar ki baath hai. Haddi maans vahaan hota nahin. Saakshaatkaar karte hain. Sampoorn Brahma bhi hai. Parantu vah hai sampoorn avyakti. Abhi vyakt Brahma jo hai, unko Avyakt ban_na hai. Vyakt hi Avyakt hota hai jisko pharista bhi kahte hain. Unka sookshmvatan may chitr rakh diya hai. Sookshmvatan may jate hain, kahte hain, Baba ne shoobi_ras pilaya. Ab vahaan jhaad aadi hota nahi. Vaikunth may hain, lekin aise nahin ki Vaikunth se le aakar pilate honge. Yah sab sookshmvatan may saakshaatkaar ki baath hai. Ab bachche jante hain ab vaapis ghar jana hai. -154


= Children also know that rudr Mala is also there which is praised and worshipped. It is remembered/chanted. There is also bhakt Mala. It is of highest devotees. Actually all belong to bhaktmala, Ravan Mala. All belong/ed to Ravan Mala before Confluence Age in this kalp. In it there is also bhakt mala. After the bhakt Mala, Gyan mala should form/come. There is bhakt mala and also rudr mala. Later it is said rundmala. Because highest of high in this creation is Vishnu who is shown in Subtle Region. LN rule here. So (we) say there is also Rund mala of Vishnu. This is Prajapita Brahma. Definitely there is mala of him. This mala will get formed in the end. Then only it will become rudrmala and rundmala of Vishnu (or- then only that rudrmala and rundmala will get formed). The highest of high is ShivBaba. Then highest of high is kingdom of Vishnu. In the Trimurti shown- there should be brahma Vishnu and shiv and not Shankar. But how can shiv be placed in the side? Hence Shankar is placed. And shiv is placed on the top. That looks good. Just two (below) does not look good. It cannot be said mala of Shankar. Brahma, Vishnu and Rudrmala. That is all. For show purpose, in Bhakti, so many pictures are done. But, there is no knowledge at all. If you explain through the picture you prepare, people may understand. Else, they mix Shiv and Shankar. Baba has explained about Subtle Region that it is all about visions. There is no bones and flesh. Visions happen. There is also complete Brahma. The present vyakt(corporeal) Brahma will become Avyakt. The same vyakt becomes Avyakt. His picture is kept at Subtle Region. Children go to Subtle Region. They say baba gave us shoobiras to drink. Now, there is nothing like trees, etc. It would be in heaven. But it is not that baba brings it from heaven and gives. It is all about visions. Now, children know that we have to return home.
This is a very interesting point. It says that Shiv has been put on top and that looks good. Then it is said that many pictures are prepared on the path of Bhakti for show (that look good) and there is no knowledge in them.

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Re: COMMENTS on "SM & AV points for churning"

Post by mbbhat » 02 Sep 2015

sita wrote:I don't think the lokik people have mixed the Trimurti and have said Trimurti shivjayanti,
ShivBaba has not said that lowkik people say Trimurti Shiv Jayanti. Baba says- "In lowkik, the word Shiv Jayanti" is famous, but just by Shiv Jayanti, nothing can be explained, as Shiv needs a body to take 'divine birth' (jayanti, incarnation), and he gives property Vishnu/Heaven. So to understand meaning of Shiv jayanti, there is need of two personalities- Brahma/Braahmins and Vishnu/deities. So, baba says- you put the word Trimurti Shiv Jayanti. When such titles or boards are put, people will get surprised and might get interested to listen- Arey- what is Trimurti Shiv Jayanti? And, their mind would be more ready to listen to the knowledge.

Then Baba also says- it is not right, as Baba needs only one body.

Another point on pictures is here- Post No. 187- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... 250#p15040 *
This is a very interesting point. It says that Shiv has been put on top and that looks good.
There are so many interesting points which are not at all addressed in AIVV literatures. That is a great surprise, is it not?
Then it is said that many pictures are prepared on the path of Bhakti for show (that look good) and there is no knowledge in them.
True. No knowledge is there in Bhakti pictures, but has some essence- like aatey may namak.

Baba sometimes say- in scriptures, sach ki raththi bhee naheen = No any truth, sometimes says- aatey may namak.
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*- Another Murli point on correction in pictures:- "In the picture (of Father all souls), it is shown Sri Ram worshipping Shiv (in Rameshwar). It is wrong, how can Ram worship Shiv? Remove it." But, so far BKs have not removed it. Because it becomes easy to explain the knowledge, that Shiv is greater than all the deities, and in scriptures also it is shown Ram worshiped Shivling. ...

Finally, all these (pictures) are not important, as they have only temporary value, even if they are fully accurate. Whether the truth sits in our intellect is the one that matters. So, the temporary things/supports should be given values only to that extent.

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