Is it possible to improve relations of BKs, PBKs and others?

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Post by sita » 23 May 2015

I don't know how much time will it take. I think it may take different time for each and every one, depending on their effort.

Maybe you mean that for to become complete one needs an equal effort maker. The complete form of Vishnu is a symbol of the family path.

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Post by khemkaran » 23 May 2015

Effort can be different to get complete stage because all human's physical and mentally status is different. We do effort according to our physical & mental status.
I think,according to current status of Yagya, there are no way to get complete stage.

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Post by khemkaran » 28 May 2015

I think there are no one have spiritual experience to get complete Stage due to weight of knowledge which given by BK & PBKs. Now here need to understand some missing knowledge which can be reachable to our Final Stage.

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Post by shivsena » 28 May 2015

khemkaran wrote: I think,according to current status of Yagya, there are no way to get complete stage.
Brother Khemkaran....you are very right....bk-Gyan is incomplete nivritti-marg ka Gyan and pbk-Gyan is completely false jismani Gyan of their guru-Virendra Dev Dixit and the followers of both orgs. can never get to the complete stage with their present Gyan.

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Post by khemkaran » 29 May 2015

Soul Brother, Shivsena,

I read some of your posts and I feel you are on the right track, because you understand the BKs and PBKs better. You are a more experienced Soul Brother than others. I appreciate your true vision to get true knowledge, and not merely support false knowledge, which is given by others. You are on track to improve feelings between BKs and PBKs.

What do you feel about 16 kalas and Complete Stage?

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Re: Is it possible to improve relations of BKs, PBKs and oth

Post by shivsena » 29 Jun 2015

khemkaran wrote:Soul Brother, Shivsena,
What do you feel about 16 kalas and Complete Stage?
Dear brother Khemkaran.

Imo, 16 kalaa is for Devtas (first generation of Satyug) and complete Karmatit Stage is for Farishtas in Sangamyug who have identified the yatharth roop of God-Shiva (Maa Adi-shakti.)

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Post by khemkaran » 30 Jun 2015

shivsena wrote:... complete Karmatit Stage is for Farishtas in Sangamyug who have identified the yatharth roop of God-Shiva (Maa Adi-shakti).
Who or what is the yatharth roop of God-Shiva (Maa Adi-Shakti)?

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Post by shivsena » 30 Jun 2015

khemkaran wrote: Who or what is the yatharth roop of God-Shiva (Maa Adi-Shakti)?
According to Bhakti-marg, Shiva is shakti and shakti is Shiva and the two cannot be seperated....so imo, Maateshwari-Mama will be revealed as yatharth roop (embodiment) of GOD Shiva.(recognised by koto mei koi..one in 10 million.)

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Post by khemkaran » 01 Jul 2015

shivsena wrote: According to Bhakti-marg, Shiva is shakti and shakti is Shiva and the two cannot be seperated....so imo, Maateshwari-Mama will be revealed as yatharth roop (embodiment) of GOD Shiva.(recognised by koto mei koi..one in 10 million.)
Mateshwari-Mama, as yatharth roop (embodiment) of GOD Shiva, is at present or in the past?
In the past, when she left her corporeal body, in 1965, how many BKs were in BKWSU?

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Post by shivsena » 02 Jul 2015

khemkaran wrote: Mateshwari-Mama, as yatharth roop (embodiment) of GOD Shiva, is at present or in the past?
Mama became complete karmatit Farishta in 1965 and at present Mama and Brahmababa are teaching the students how to become avaykt karmatit Farishta through av-Vanis.

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Post by arjun » 02 Jul 2015

shivsena wrote:so imo, Maateshwari-Mama will be revealed as yatharth roop (embodiment) of GOD Shiva.
Through whom?? This is the one question that you have never answered.
at present Mama and Brahmababa are teaching the students how to become avaykt karmatit Farishta through av-Vanis.
Earlier you used to say only Mama was narrating AVs and now you say Mama and Brahma Baba are teaching. And you have forgotten Shiv. Now that I have pointed out the shortcoming you will say Mama and Shiv are combined. But the fact is that you are still confused as to where Shiv is, and who is narrating AVs.

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Post by khemkaran » 04 Jul 2015

Is 'Karmateet Avastha' and/or 'Complete Stage' the same?

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Post by shivsena » 05 Jul 2015

khemkaran wrote:Is 'Karmateet Avastha' and/or 'Complete Stage' the same?
Imo....karmatit awastha and complete Farishta stage is same.....the stage of Devtas(16 kalaa sampoorna) is lower than that of Bap-samaan Farishta-stage( angelic stage)...one has to understand the difference between Farishta and Devta to understand the Gyan fully.....so far BKs-PBKs do not understand which souls will become Devta and which souls will become Farishta in Sangamyug !!

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Post by arjun » 06 Jul 2015

shivsena wrote:the stage of Devtas(16 kalaa sampoorna) is lower than that of Bap-samaan Farishta-stage( angelic stage)...one has to understand the difference between Farishta and Devta to understand the Gyan fully.....so far BKs-PBKs do not understand which souls will become Devta and which souls will become Farishta in Sangamyug !!
ShivBaba through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit says that angels are not worshipped in the temples. It is the souls whose body as well as the soul becomes pure are worshipped as complete deities. Shivsena and his followers aim to become just angels who have either left the body like Om Radhey Mama. But the aim of the PBKs is to purify the soul as well as the body to become complete deities who are worshipped in the temples. The souls like Brahma and Saraswati who are in their subtle body now will get birth from the above complete deities and then acquire a pure body.

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Post by khemkaran » 07 Jul 2015

arjun wrote: ShivBaba through Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit says that angels are not worshipped in the temples.
Brahma, Saraswati, Shankar, Parvati, Durga, Kali, Ganesh, Hanuman, etc., are all representative Sangamyugi Angels, who have performed PRACTICAL ACTIONS in the Confluence Age, and who are thus worshiped in the temples, owing to the PRACTICAL demonstration of their PRACTICAL deeds in the Confluence Age, through CORPOREAL PHYSICAL BODIES, AFTER which they become ELEVATED to the status of Angels, as the EVIDENT fruit or PROOF of their efforts in their corporeal bodies. While in their corporeal bodies, they were incomplete, and become complete ONLY when they achieve the status of Angels. So what should be worshiped, an incomplete form or a complete form???
Thus Virendra Dev Dixit's statement is COMPLETELY false, misleading, mala fide and not based on the stage of being 'Trikaldarshi' or Knower of the Three aspects of Time!

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