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Re: Official BKWSU internal reform efforts

Post by bkti-pit » 06 Jun 2008

Arjun could probably find a Murli quote but I remember it been said often times that at least 900,000 are required. Now it is not so clear as to how firm BKs those 900,000 have to be. If we are talking about pukha-pukha following all the principles accurately ... Well, I think we are still far from that.

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Re: Official BKWSU internal reform efforts

Post by fluffy bunny » 06 Jun 2008

sakaash wrote:Well, Wednesday was disappointing - there were some good points that my group made re: helping the elderly and starting an open BK forum - but it did not feel like these suggestions would go far - I was hushed up a bit and given the "look" when I mentioned things like having a culture of inclusion etc etc - and as for free access to Murlis, I don't think this will happen. I am going to wait to see what happens when all these talks are done.
I do not want to distract from sakaash's post above but see below, re the 900,000. I am sorry to read your disappointment but we all won our bets here at this side. I had to laugh at you being "given the eye" ... naughty little Bhai. Been there, done that. Now get back in your spiritual diapers. Personally, I think that they are going to choke themselves to death over this Murli retention issue. I mean, what is the Karma return of withholding the Godly message and setting yourself up as a global monopoly?

As far as the basic maths, did not the figure originally come from Hinduism? Nanda Maharaj had 900,000 cows which Krishna loved dearly. So much so that he would remember each and every one of their names! Krishna's music was so hypnotic 900,000 gopis (milkmaidens) came to him. In the midst of these women, he looked up, spotted Radha [ - there's your Mama] and immediately lost all is cloths and was left holding his flute in his hand.

So taken was Krishna with Radha, that Krishna refused to let go of her while he made love to the other 900,000 gopis. (On the other flipper, we are also said in the Purana to have gone through 900,000 species of aquatic life in our spiritual evolution). I have no idea what Asian religions have with such perfect and unprovable numbers all the time ...

It goes on, Sri Krishna married sixteen thousand wives after He killed the demon Narakasura, expanding Himself into 16,000 [ - there's your other number] forms and ... married these wives simultaneously in different palaces where the gardens and parks were full of various flowers of different colors and orchards that were overloaded with a variety of fruits. Beautiful birds were chirping, and peacocks were delightfully crowing, there were tanks and ponds full of blue and red lotus flowers, the lakes were full of nice swans and cranes whose voices resounded everywhere. In the city there were as many as 900,000 great palaces built of first-class marble with gates and doors made of silver. Sound familiar?

Now, cant you see Lekhraj Kirpalani telling romantic stories to the old sisters from his memory of Hindu folklore to keep them warm and inspired during those cold and lonely "Beggary Days"?

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Re: Official BKWSU internal reform efforts

Post by sakaash » 06 Jun 2008

Hi ex-l,

cannot believe you had a bet on! anyways, I was interested to know, are you an ex-BK by choice or did you do something to get extricated from the BKWSO? I am very curious about that one!

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Post by fluffy bunny » 07 Jun 2008

I should really answer on some other topic like the one discussing my conduct. The answer is 'by choice'. I saw too much of what was going on and lost faith and respect for the vision of the Seniors that were at the head of it all. And this was when Destruction was going to come in "50 years" dating it to the mid-1980s. I don't suppose they tell you they sat on the guddhi and taught us that from the Murli?

Some of it relates to this topic and my current exploration on the BK. There is obviously a lot more to it. I listened to, and experienced, one "highly regarded" BK brother use one of his course students for his own personal work/money interests. Then used another BK as a taxi driver to get him there (forget the sisters using any male with a car for just that ... that was their karma). Him not doing "proper work" because it was "not Avyakt" instead being the angelic guru giving visions. I think he was cheating on tax/immigration status too (although I would have to check) and is reported to have ripped off another BK selling him a dodgy motor vehicle. The Seniors loved him. He was their little lord.

At that time, I saw the best the Kripalani Klan could come up with by way of "serving" humanity. It was all pointless self-advertisement and chasing VIPs, as they are still doing widely. 'Look at Us Peace Marches'. Having famous people to tea and their picture taken with them. Trading on golden trinkets (Lakshmi and Narayan pictures) for 'status by association'. I proposed alternatives of actually doing things that made a practical difference - not even for the practical difference but even just for the karmic and PR value if that was all they really cared for. Despite it being enthusiastically received by others, it was cut down. The old "BKs don't do social service" line. I am glad to see some do now. I know that they had to fight the BK system to do so.

To be frank, I realised that they were not that enlightened nor intuitive ... or were just more worldly ambitious than I dared think. I was wasting my life investing in it, into their machine. I decided to leave, stand on my own foundations however small and weak, learn my own lessons and do my own good, as best I could in the real world not some Sindhi royal fantasy. I realised that I was being seduced by the mental concept of being associated with this wonderful, wah-wah, world saving, "United Nation related" university that deluded us to feel that our lives were so much more meaningful and that it was better that I just went off to be no one again; my self, deal with my own karma and those around me. And this was before all the seductive property acquisitions.

I was right. I think I saw their game plan very well (they were making outright demands from politicians for free property/land too ... even back then). In my opinion, there was a lot of worthy wah-wah to keep the plebeian BKs confused, but feeling important, and underneath it all was mental slavery to provide free labour for their empire building.

This is why I am interested to hear the practical plans (not the wonderful words) for what "caring for the old" means
  • ... are they talking about hospices and retirement homes for surrendered Brahmins?
Currently, as far as I can see, once they have finished with the BK, or the BK become too weak/sick/old (requiring more money and energy in than they give out) the BKs (who gave at the cost of their own welfare) are dumped back on the lokik family (who lost the input of the family member) or social security and local government sheltered housing (who never got as much tax as they should).

My prediction is that if they do do anything ... they will get someone else to pay for it. Probably not someone following the principles either, 'enabling' a rich Arab or one of their Sindhi mates to 'give benefit' and 'earn their fortune'. I realised that the leadership did not follow their own Shrimat (or spiritual principles), so more fool me if I did.

In my opinion, its currently a scam carried out through 'undue influence' (... and come sue me for saying so). It only works because they had and have everyone believing "Destruction" was going to happen in WWII ... 1950 ... 1976 ... mid-1980s ... Year 2000 ... 2012 ... and have consistently destroyed and denied all the evidence behind them as they went. This is why I think "reform" has to go much deeper, and address the legal duty of care and historical revision.

We need to know why the leadership lied to us, what amends they are going to make for it, how they are going to censor those that carried it out.

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