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Re: BKWSU for beginners

Post by arjun » 19 Oct 2009

ex-l wrote:If you cannot ... and you are still unhappy ... best go away and start your own forum.
Dear ex-l,
As you said it is a waste of time explaining such members. They can neither start their own forum nor contribute positively to the forums where they are allowed to write. They cannot appreciate the efforts that go into running such forums. They can only use/misuse the freely available forums to vent their anger and frustration.

If they have courage, they should go an question the administrators of the forums run by BKWSU. They do not allow anyone to even write about PBKs, let alone allowing someone to abuse them openly. I was banned from BKWSU run forums just for mentioning about AIVV or PBKs. And despite being allowed to write freely on this forum and BKInfo, such members blame the Admins for being partial.

Only God can transform them.

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Re: BKWSU for beginners

Post by sachkhand » 19 Oct 2009

AUM Shanti.
ex-l wrote:Discussing matters with you is a time and energy wasting farce. If I could block you from this site, I would.
Arjun wrote: Dear ex-l,
As you said it is a waste of time explaining such members. They can neither start their own forum nor contribute positively to the forums where they are allowed to write. They cannot appreciate the efforts that go into running such forums. They can only use/misuse the freely available forums to vent their anger and frustration.
What else could people like ex-l do? They have no answers for their shameless behaviour in the forum brahmakumaris.info.
ex-l, it is not me who is unhappy, it is you who is unhappy and hence have resorted to spreading ill will towards BKs and making vulgar jokes and comments about BKs. Have you thought about your own behaviour in your forum.
And Arjun, who never misses any opprtunity to criticise bad behaviour of anyone opposing Virendra Dev Dixit, is now supporting ex-l even though he is ashamed of ex-l's behaviour in their forum. This clearly points out that there might be some relation between these people. Possibly ex-l, mr.green, etc might be incognito PBKs. Because AIVV members have the tendency to be silent about their connection with Virendra Dev Dixit and mingle with BKs and spread their so called advance knowledge. An AIVV member from Mumbai boasted about his such tactics and how he broke the BKs and instigated them to be an AIVV member. If these AIVV members really have guts, why cannot they go directly to the people of this world and tell them that The GodFAther has already come in Virendra Dev Dixit or Virendra Dev Dixit is The GodFAther. Arjun is talking about starting a new forum. Do Virendra Dev Dixit and his followers have guts to go directly to the public and tell them their knowledge? Why do they try and hunt the BKs to spread their knowledge? I once had asked to Virendra Dev Dixit himself about directly giving knowledge to general public. But he did not give me permission saying it would confuse the public. Why is he for? Is he not The Supreme Teacher as considered by the AIVV members?
So ex-l and Arjun, stop blaming others and see what you people are doing. You think you are fooling others. But it is actually you who are getting fooled.

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Re: BKWSU for beginners

Post by sachkhand » 19 Oct 2009

AUM Shanti.
arjun wrote: Thanks once again Brother.
Dear Arjun,
please spare us. It is really difficult to swallow your hypocratic behaviour. Have mercy on us. If you still want to continue with your hypocrisy, I know I cannot stop you. It does not harm me, but yourself. So have mercy on yourself.
Thanks.
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Re: BKWSU for beginners

Post by arjun » 19 Oct 2009

sachkhand wrote:If these AIVV members really have guts....
If you or BKWSU really think that you are on the side of truth, why don't you allow PBKs or ex-BKs to participate in cordial discussions with BKs on their forums? It is very easy to come and hurl abuses at others on free forums like this.
sachkhand wrote:This clearly points out that there might be some relation between these people. Possibly ex-l, mr.green, etc might be incognito PBKs.

You are free to make any number of guesses and false allegations.
please spare us. It is really difficult to swallow your hypocratic behaviour. Have mercy on us. If you still want to continue with your hypocrisy, I know I cannot stop you. It does not harm me, but yourself. So have mercy on yourself.
Thanks once again.

By the way, the readers are intelligent enough to understand who is a hypocrite. You start your every post with 'Dear....' and then call that person 'rascal, neech, hypocrite, deceiver, etc. etc.' and pass comments on others as if you are the epitome of truth.

If you really feel that I am a rascal, neech, hypocrite, deceiver, etc. then why do you respond to my posts? Either you stop responding to me or I will stop responding (if that makes you happy).

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Re: BKWSU for beginners

Post by sachkhand » 23 Oct 2009

arjun wrote: If you or BKWSU really think that you are on the side of truth, why don't you allow PBKs or ex-BKs to participate in cordial discussions with BKs on their forums? It is very easy to come and hurl abuses at others on free forums like this.
I do not know about BKWSU. I am not their representative. As I have written earlier too, I have left going to BK centres (except few times, that too not to hear Murli classes but probably to ask questions or like that) since 1993 when they asked me not to come because I had gone to Kampil and used to ask questions.
Regarding myself I am here to discuss. And I think this forum is not owned by you or ex-l. ex-BKs like ex-l and so called PBKs like you cannot cordially discuss on yur forums with anyone questioning Virendra Dev Dixit and the knowledge given by him. If not, why should I be banned from your forums? And ex-l has even asked to ban me from this forum too. And he has written that if he could he would ban me from here too.
So how are you and ex-l different from BKWSU?
You had advised me why should I beg those people who do not want to allow me in their forums. This even applies to you and others. Why are you so interested in spreading instability and disturb BKs? If you really have knowledge, then you should have been able to convince the so called PBKs first. Virendra Dev Dixit should have answeed to those questions which I had asked. Already more than two months have passed. Still Virendra Dev Dixit has not answered or given clarifications to just two Murli points which I have asked. When the so called PBKs do not have a single version of explanation to many important points how can you explain to BKs? On one side you say The Supreme Teacher has come to expalin the Murlis spoken through Brahma (Dada Lekharaj). And you cannot even provide explanation to just two Murli Points. What are you going to discuss on BKWSU forums? You can just create disturbance and cannot give any accurate vision or explanation. And I think this is the motive of the so called PBKs. Just disturbing the BKs and hunting them and make them followers of Virendra Dev Dixit. It is said in Murlis that Bharatwasis get converted after hearing bad words for their deities and God and God-Godesses. You are just converting BKs into followers of Virendra Dev Dixit. This is what the result I see after fifteen years. And now, many so-called PBKs are getting disillusioned by the claims made by Virendra Dev Dixit and his followers. Even surrendered sisters are leaving. The so called Jagadamba too has left the Yagnya and Virendra Dev Dixit. What are you going to explain on the BKWSU forums? Just explain why Kamala Devi Dixit left Virendra Dev Dixit and the so called Rudra Yagnya and remarrried? How is it possible for children to follow such guides? It is said Jagatpita gives inheritence to Jagadamba and Jagadamba gives to the children. But in AIVV, The so called Jgadamba herself has left the yagnya and got remarried. So, then who will take care of the children? Now let the so called PBKs ask this question to themselves, "Tumhara Brahma kahaan hai?". Where is your badi (big) Maa (mother)? As Virendra Dev Dixit him,self has explained, Brahma means Brahm Maa, Badi Maa (big Mother). So where is She? What is She doing?
Leave aside BKWSU forums. First explain here. Then I will also join you and we can go and guide the BKWSU (because you think they are misguided), and will tell them Who are the Mother and Father of this humanity. O.K.?And will also explain them about Alaf and Bae, and about Trimurti Shiv etc, etc.,
arjun wrote: You are free to make any number of guesses and false allegations.
But you and ex-l are not free to ban anyone you like on this forum. If you can explain your claims do it. If you cannot no compulsion. Do not try to act oversmart and talk of banning anyone whom you cannot explain your knowledge.

arjun wrote: Thanks once again.
It is said that dog's tail cannot be straightened.
arjun wrote: By the way, the readers are intelligent enough to understand who is a hypocrite. You start your every post with 'Dear....' and then call that person 'rascal, neech, hypocrite, deceiver, etc. etc.' and pass comments on others as if you are the epitome of truth.
I have not even written AUM Shanti in this reply. I think it has become meaningless. Fine, hence forth I will not write 'dear' too. But for the words I have used like rascal (neech in Hindi), hypocrite, deceiver, shamless (these are what I am remembering now), I mean them. I really mean those words.
arjun wrote: If you really feel that I am a rascal, neech, hypocrite, deceiver, etc. then why do you respond to my posts? Either you stop responding to me or I will stop responding (if that makes you happy).
O.K. I will stop responding to your replies. And there is no need for you too to respond to my posts. But provide answers for the questions I have saked. Get the answers soon from The Supreme Teacher (according to your beleif) and make us known.
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Re: BKWSU for beginners

Post by arjun » 23 Oct 2009

sachkhand wrote:So how are you and ex-l different from BKWSU?......But you and ex-l are not free to ban anyone you like on this forum.
I never asked anyone to ban you. You are free to abuse anyone as long as the Admin. permits you.
Brahma means Brahm Maa, Badi Maa (big Mother). So where is She? What is She doing?
It is the soul of Brahma (Dada Lekhraj) who plays the role of Jagdamba through Kamala Devi. And both the souls are playing their parts in this world either physically or through the subtle body and the Confluence Age has not yet ended.
It is said that dog's tail cannot be straightened.
Thanks once again.
O.K. I will stop responding to your replies. And there is no need for you too to respond to my posts.
Thanks and I hope u will keep up your promise.
On Godly Service,
Arjun

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Re: BKWSU for beginners

Post by fluffy bunny » 23 Oct 2009

sachkhand wrote:So how are you and ex-l different from BKWSU?
Well, I cannot - and do not - speak for Arjun but I am fairly sure that neither of us are taking millions of dollar off thousands of followers worldwide and having them work for us for free on the basis of a false religion that has been re-written many times ... and so I guess we are a 'little' different from the BKWSU.

Sanjeev ... after spending time with the BKWSU, you used to believe that you were the reincarnation of Lekhraj Kripalani or next 'the Chariot of God', or something ... did not you?

Would you care to speak about what happened, how that came about ... and how you have since changed your mind?

I am not asking to make you look stupid. So please do not react aggressively or defensively. I am being open and genuine. I am asking you to be open and genuine.

I am not interested in your campaign against Virendra Dev Dixit at all. I am not concerned about Virendra Dev Dixit at all. I have no connection with him nor the PBKs beyond what you have read online. So, please do stop all the anger, upset and accusations.

You could not have come up with such ideas before meeting the BKs and PBKs, so do you mind talking us through your own personal journey? It will help others.

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Re: BKWSU for beginners

Post by sachkhand » 26 Oct 2009

ex-l wrote: Well, I cannot - and do not - speak for Arjun but I am fairly sure that neither of us are taking millions of dollar off thousands of followers worldwide and having them work for us for free on the basis of a false religion that has been re-written many times ... and so I guess we are a 'little' different from the BKWSU.
Were you not aware of all that what you have mentioned when you belonged to BKWSU for many years. You cannot take donation because you have no idea to what to do with that money. You cannot take service of others because you have no vision which can uplift the people from whom you might take free service. After reading your accusations, I understand better why Shiv, The Supreme Soul comes in Bharat. It is so different in Bharat and in the present western world. Just go and see in any Grudwara (worshipping place of Sikhs) There you can see even wealthy people doing service. Also those services which normally people think that they are of least significane. The mindset is very different. People here will laugh hearing your accusations here. In Bharat it is said "unles you become slave of The Preceptor you will not get Mukti." And there are many spiritual students who has literally served their spiritual masters like slaves. And has attained great spiritual heights.
You might feel foul if you hear this example. This is of the previous century. Once a Guru (Spiritual master) had many students. And one of his student was his favourite, because he really had love for spiritual knowledge and loved his Guru. And other students used to be jealous of this one. The Guru was of Brahmin caste (according to the worldly beleifs) and that favourite student of his was Muslim by his birth. But that not at all had any meaning. They were just spiritual master and spiritual student. Once the Guru was not physically well. He was in the bed. He has the feeling of vomitting. He says it has come, it has come. All the student run here and there to get a bowl. But that dear student puts both his palms in front of the master. The master vomits in his palms. The student asks, where should he put the vomit. And the master says where no one can put their feet on that. An hearing this that student drinks the vomit of his master. OOOOuuchhhh. So dirty. Yes dirty. How can you explain such student that what he had done was very foolish and dirty thing. And that by drinking that vomit, he might get contagious diseases or something of that sort.
No use. mindset of the people here is really different from those there. You can continue to educate people over there, about the free service taken by BKWSU and the donations they collect. Best of luck. I really expect that you will put case in the court of your nation against the tax frauds made by BKWSU (if at all it is true).
ex-l wrote: Sanjeev ... after spending time with the BKWSU, you used to believe that you were the reincarnation of Lekhraj Kripalani or next 'the Chariot of God', or something ... did not you?

Would you care to speak about what happened, how that came about ... and how you have since changed your mind?

I am not asking to make you look stupid. So please do not react aggressively or defensively. I am being open and genuine. I am asking you to be open and genuine.

I am not interested in your campaign against Veerendra Dev Dixit at all. I am not concerned about Veerendra Dev Dixit at all. I have no connection with him nor the PBKs beyond what you have read online. So, please do stop all the anger, upset and accusations.

You could not have come up with such ideas before meeting the BKs and PBKs, so do you mind talking us through your own personal journey? It will help others.
First let me clear to you that it does not in any way matters to me, whether your intentions are to make me look stupid or otherwise. I am what I am. I have not reacted aggressively because of any such thing previously. You know better why I have reacted harshly sometimes and it is not due to the replies regarding my statement .
You may or may not have connections with PBKs. It does not matter, but your behaviour regarding BKs and PBKs really does matter. You have no right to make vulgar jokes of anyone here.

Regarding my experiences, I have written about it in detail in other post. You can read there.
And let me clarify that it was not just after coming to BKs in 1989-90 that I got interested in spritiual things. Even when I was in my high school I used to get a thought that this was my last birth. I just used to get confused aht does that mean. I used to get thoughts that I should lead spiritual like, but telling you frankly, I was not at all interesting in living a life of hermits. I used to answer to those thoughts that hey, you see, leave me for this birth. I will lead this life as I please, with lots of sensual enjoyments. But those thougths haunted me for couple of months I think. But I think I am not what I used to be then as a highschool boy . I was very timid and used to get afraid of going to the next room in our home without someone else. I used to sleep beside my mother till I was sent to hostel in highschool. I even felt couple of times that the same scene has happened sometime earlier. And this was one of the reason for beleiving the 5000 years identical cycle theory of BKs.
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Re: BKWSU for beginners

Post by fluffy bunny » 27 Oct 2009

sachkhand wrote:I am what I am.
So ... you used to believe that you were the re-incarnation of Lekhraj Kirpalani and the next Chariot of god but now you don't ... is that correct?
  • What is your current state of self-belief ... who do you believe you are now?
Humour is great. It is very healing of the individual and society. you should try it sometime.

Technically speaking, I - or anyone else - has every 'right' to be as humorous as we wish ... as long as I accept that I will receive whatever the consequences of the humour are. Every individual has the 'right' to their own spiritual path, and the inevitable 'responsibility' that comes with it. I have never told you how you should live.

As far as humanity is concerned, I can assure you that it is benefited far more by a good boy going to study to become a doctor or an engineer rather than a devotee eating the vomit of a guru ... which, sadly, is what happens in the BKWSU all too often metaphorically speaking. In fact, I could have used a word far stronger than vomit.

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ex-l wrote: Technically speaking, I - or anyone else - has every 'right' to be as humorous as we wish ... as long as I accept that I will receive whatever the consequences of the humour are.
You mean to say you have every right to write vulgar jokes in such forums about BKs and PBKs. And that is the reason I have called you "Rascal". You should have no problem with it.
ex-l wrote:Every individual has the 'right' to their own spiritual path, and the inevitable 'responsibility' that comes with it. I have never told you how you should live.
ex-l wrote: As far as humanity is concerned, I can assure you that it is benefited far more by a good boy going to study to become a doctor or an engineer rather than a devotee eating the vomit of a guru ... which, sadly, is what happens in the BKWSU all too often metaphorically speaking. In fact, I could have used a word far stronger than vomit.
Just read your own words above.
In one quote you say every individual has the right to their own spiritual path.
In the other quote you start giving advice about what is good and what is bad for others. You feel it good while making vulgar jokes about decent individuals in an open forum and such a man like you is giving advice about what is good and what is bad for humanity. Great! It is because of such great people that the world is in such a pitiful condition today.
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Re: BKWSU for beginners

Post by fluffy bunny » 30 Oct 2009

Sachkhand, relax a bit.

My apologies to other readers for being distracted by this matter but I think we should help Sachkhand, and attempt to get him to speak about his problems, not be provoked by him about worthless matters.

A spiritual test for you by way of an explanation.

Spiritually, which is worse ... an ex-BL "rascal" making a vulgar joke about underwear ... a BK center-in-charge dropping hers to have sex with a student whilst still teaching purity from the guddhi ... or a BK Senior Sister, zone-in-charge, Global Chief knowing all about it but supporting the center-in-charge and allowing her to carry on in her position? (Yes, this is the BKWSU for beginners, folks).

Humour ... satire ... is a very useful teaching device used to speak of that which is true but cannot be spoken about in any other way.

Please, I am not a rascal. I am the Jester in the King's Court ... 'The Fool' from whose mouth, like a child's, many truths fall. It is just that you take something out of context and do not always understand them.

Funnily enough, it was a Brahma Kumaris defender and follower that brought to my attention the Brahma Kumaris 'standard issue' underwear ... and I think the Brahma Kumaris spending poor people's money to buy their 'god spirit' a new brazier, panties and a sari every time it comes to earth is a crime when there is so much poverty in India.

At the very least, they could have two pairs of underwear and just wash them in between. I am sure that BapDada would not complain. He could be sat naked and it should not make any difference.

But, you know what ... all of this is just a distraction to draw attention away from your own pain, your own confusion ... the difficulties you have struggled with inside your own mind since you because involved with the BKs and with which you are still struggling.
  • No one else care but I am giving you a chance to talk about it ... to talk it through it.

    Why are you being so hostile?

    Do you feel very alone in life ... rejected by the BKs, PBKs and ordinary people ... are you still trying to find yourself?
There were two brother, one was very religious and loved going to darshan, the other was very worldly and preferred chasing girls and living well. The religious brother was always thinking of the other brother, complaining to him, and trying to get him to change his way of life.

One day, the guru asked, who was more likely to become enlightened ... the follower thought, "oh, obviously the good spiritual brother".

"No", the guru said, "completely wrong".

"The spiritual brother is sitting here but all time his mind is thinking how bad his brother because he is out chasing girls, making jokes and having a good time ... he is fixated by 'sinfulness'. Meanwhile, the worldly brother is sitting with the girls but his mind is here, he is thinking about the spiritual life. When his time comes, he progress much faster because he has seen the world for what it is, made many people happy, and always had in his heart how good the spiritual life is.

He will carry many people's blessings and when it come, many will come with him ...
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Re: BKWSU for beginners

Post by sachkhand » 01 Nov 2009

ex-l wrote: Sachkhand, relax a bit.
I am. No need to worry for me.
ex-l wrote: My apologies to other readers for being distracted by this matter but I think we should help Sachkhand, and attempt to get him to speak about his problems, not be provoked by him about worthless matters.
I have problem with people like you, who are more interested in spreading ill will towards others rather than trying to understand the knowledge or helping others in understanding the knowledge. No one is stopping you here to raise any question related to knowledge, so why waste your own precious time and others making silly jokes. You can make them in many other forums in the internet which are meant for such jokes.
ex-l wrote: A spiritual test for you by way of an explanation.
Spiritually, which is worse ... an ex-BL (ex-BK probably i.e., ex-l yourself) "rascal" making a vulgar joke about underwear ... a BK center-in-charge dropping hers to have sex with a student whilst still teaching purity from the guddhi ... or a BK Senior Sister, zone-in-charge, Global Chief knowing all about it but supporting the center-in-charge and allowing her to carry on in her position? (Yes, this is the BKWSU for beginners, folks).
If you are really interested in helping that sister (whom you know, I suppose) who is dropping her underwear to have sex with any XYZ, then you should have raised that issue straightforwardly. You should have brought this to the notice of Seniors in that institution. You should have talked this matter with Seniors there. If that sister is not changing despite of all this, then leave it for herself to change. She will get the fruits of her deeds. Why are you worried about her all the time. You have quoted a story about two brothers in your reply. You should have taken something from that yourself first and should have left thinking about that particular sister all your life in BKWSU. BapDaada have said that there are the best in BKs and also the worst. It is upto you whom you want to see and follow.
If you want to make people aware of what all is going in the BKWSU instituion then you should have raised the issue of that particular sister in your forum. I would have not objected for that. But have pity on yourself, and save yourself from falling by making vulgar jokes about any decent person. I am not here to comment on what is anyone personally doing in their personal lives (either worldly life or spiritual life). I have asked some questions here regarding personal life of Virendra Dev Dixit and Kamala Devi, just because they are not considered to be any common people. According to Virendra Dev Dixit and his teachings, both of them are JagatPita and JagatAmba i.e., Father and Mother of Humanity. And hence I have asked about their personal lives.

Now, talking in general,
in the so called religions, which are having billions of followers in the world and are taking billions in donations from their followers in the name of God (by whatever name they call), and spending billions to spread the good news (about their so called God) throughout the world and are more interested in converting the people to their own religion by hook or crook. Just see what all is going on in their instituions. Their heads are just mum. They use all possible political power and if required physical power in covering up their dirty things. They pressurise even governments of any country to make way for their so called service of their so called God. But you have no objection for those things.

As far as I have understood you, your only aim is to defame BKs. You have no intentions of understanding knowledge or helping yourself by their knowledge. Because you have no faith in their knowledge. Actually when you hear that any family member of yours is in the wrong path and is degrading then you will have pity for those, and will try to help them in correcting themselves. You will not make fun of them. If your own sister or wife was doing such things i.e., pulling down their underwears for XYZs, would you create a forum and write about her in that forum inorder to correct her? If you are really sincere, then write facts about what you did after knowing the bad things about that particular sister. Now when you have raised the issue of that sister, let us take it to it's end. Make us clear about your reactions and your response to that issue.
I think it is you who have got disturbed by hearing about such things since you are not able to calm yourself and are entangled in the persoanl issues of others and are hence unhappy and depressed. You really need counselling.
If you have any such problems, then you can write personal messages to those BKs or PBKs on this forum who have time to help you out of your emotional problems. Sorry, I cannot help you, because I cannot spend so much time and money for internet. I am busy in other things. If you are really interested in coming out of your depression and guilt feelings, then you can write to me to my email ID in detail. And I can give you possible suggestions. That's all. But still, you will have to help yourself, even God helps those who helps themselves.
ex-l wrote: Humour ... satire ... is a very useful teaching device used to speak of that which is true but cannot be spoken about in any other way.
Please, I am not a rascal. I am the Jester in the King's Court ... 'The Fool' from whose mouth, like a child's, many truths fall. It is just that you take something out of context and do not always understand them.
Jester does all his duties and gives the services just for his king. He is more interested in making his master happy. Because his master pays to him. God knows, who is paying you for your service here and in other forums.
ust read the folloing story.
Once Akbar, the great moghul emperor, and his minister Birbal were having food. Akbar found the desh made of Brinjal (a vegetable) very delicious. And Akbar said that Brinjal is a very good vegetable. Hearing this Birbal started praising Brinjal. He even went to extent of saying that Brinjal should be declared to be the King of vegetables. And said that Brinjal already has the crown over it. Some other day, both Akbar and Birbal were having food once again. God knows what had happenned that day. Akbar found the dish of Brinjal not very delicious. And Akbar bad a bad comment about Brinjal. And hearing it, Birbal too started making very bad comments about Brinjal. Birbal even said that just see how Brinjal looks. So black and blue. One cannot even look at such a ugly vegetable, etc, et., Now Akbar was astonished to hea such comments form Birbal about Brinjal. He questioned Birbal. How come he is making bad comments about that same Brinjal, which he had praised just few days back. And Birbal answered, "Your majesty, I am serving you and not that Brinjal. You are my master not that Brinjal". What Birbal meant was he was paid for his service to the king and not for praising Brinjal. So, whatever the king feels is good, Birbal tries to praise that thing to make his master happy.
Just see within you, whom you are serving? Your ego? Your desires? Your hatred? Try serving yuorself i.e., the real you. You, the soul.
If you are really interested in telling the Truth, then better read the story of The naked emperor. That emperor who was very much interested in wearing new clothes. I think you must be knowing that story.
No jester or minister of that king had guts to tell the truth. The Truth came out of the mouth of an innocent child. The child innocently told directly what he saw. He did not try to tell the truth by using any jokes as you have claimed (just inorder to prove your foolishness as a right thing to do).
ex-l wrote: Funnily enough, it was a Brahma Kumaris defender and follower that brought to my attention the Brahma Kumaris 'standard issue' underwear ... and I think the Brahma Kumaris spending poor people's money to buy their 'god spirit' a new brazier, panties and a sari every time it comes to earth is a crime when there is so much poverty in India.
Just go and ask the Pope, why he is spending lavishly and why does he needs a kingdom inorder to serve The Lord. Why is he spending billions to convert people of other religions. Why is he and his followers trying to control governments and do politics and make people poor by snatching their rights.

We Indians are not beggars. The queen of England knows how much her predecessors have looted from India and even now looting India. Just read history and the preceedings in the parliament of the so called great Britain of that time. And then you will know the Truth about India and your own country and people. In India it is said that your guest is like God. And in this case, BKs beleive that God Himself is their Guest. So they have the right to spend few bucks for Him. Please get your dirty mind cleansed by following whichever religion you like. Then you can understand the BKs knowledge.
ex-l wrote: At the very least, they could have two pairs of underwear and just wash them in between. I am sure that BapDada would not complain. He could be sat naked and it should not make any difference.
Surely, BapDada will not complain. But do you have that purity to see a naked body? It is for people like you that BapDaada need to cover the body of that Chariot. First try to see the naked body of your mother without any sin getting aroused within you.
ex-l wrote: But, you know what ... all of this is just a distraction to draw attention away from your own pain, your own confusion ... the difficulties you have struggled with inside your own mind since you because involved with the BKs and with which you are still struggling.
There are my parents to hear about my pains and confusions and struggles. They are not needed to be reminded of their duty of care as is being needed in your country. I can raise any issue I have and any problem I have in front of them. I have parents who love me. And I have freinds who hear me for hours about my experiences. So, I do not need any forum to vent out my emotions. I do not need any BK nor any PBK. I make no distinctions based on their philosophy and religion and caste and other things. I make distinction based on whether anyone is being truthful to himself /herself or bluffing himslef /herself. If someone is not truthful to himslef /herself how can he /she be truthful with others?
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  • No one else care but I am giving you a chance to talk about it ... to talk it through it.
Have pity on yourself first and hear what your inner conscience is trying to tell to you. Talk with yourself and sort out your problems first.
ex-l wrote: Why are you being so hostile?
Do you feel very alone in life ... rejected by the BKs, PBKs and ordinary people ... are you still trying to find yourself?[/list]
Question yourslef about all the above things. And be true to yourself, so that you will get true answers and can solve the problems in your life.
Wish you best of luck in your journey within.
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Re: BKWSU for beginners

Post by fluffy bunny » 02 Nov 2009

So, could your parents help you when you thought you were the reincarnation of Lekhraj Kirpalani and the Chariot of God, yourself?

• Would you like to discuss it now and how you overcame it by yourself ... so that it might help others?
sachkhand wrote:As far as I have understood you, your only aim is to defame BKs.
And there is the fault in your BK thinking ... it really is so tiresome.
  • To speak of the reality ... is "to defame".
    To seek and point out the truth ... is "to defame".
    To raise ethical questions ... is "to defame".
    To say or do anything except act as slavish, unquestioning parrots repeating the BKWSU whitewash ... is "to defame".
I must have a different dictionary from the one the BKWSU uses. I came seeking the truth and I am far nearer the truth now than I was from following the Brahma Kumaris. The spirit speaking to the Brahma Kumaris is not God. Is nationalism a large part of Brahma Kumarism?

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Re: BKWSU for beginners

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ex-l wrote:So, could your parents help you when you thought you were the reincarnation of Lekhraj Kirpalani and the Chariot of God, yourself?
I have told about this to my mother first. She said not to speak about it to others. I have not told that I am The Chariot of God, but yes I have told that I feel that I am the reincarnation of Lekharaj Kripalani.
I think my mother was right when she said to keep the feeling with myself and not to tell it to others. Because I have seen how the forum members have reacted to my statement including you. It is a waste to expect a freindly sharing of feelings in this forum. Ego takes the driving seat here. So, I think it is waste talking about it with you.
ex-l wrote: • Would you like to discuss it now and how you overcame it by yourself ... so that it might help others?
Yes, I would like to give few suggestions to others based on my experience.
Beleive yourself. Be true to yourself.
So that your feelings will also be true and your mind will not deceive you. When we deceive others, it is like training our own mind to deceive. And the first one to get deceived by our mind is ourself. So never try to deceive others or fool others.
There is nothing wrong in beleiving others. If someone deceives you, no need to take it to your heart. Because you are not at fault. But the one who deceived has sinned, and he/she will eat the fruits of his /her deeds.

Beleive your own experiences, rather than beleiving what you study or churn. There is a saying in our language, "Aikawe janache, karave manache". Meaning, we should hear what others say, and we should do what our mind says i.e., what our feelings say.

Never come to any conclusion hastily. There is a song in our language, "Noodiddu sullagabahudu, kelliddu sullagabahudu, Nidhaanisi yochisidaaga, nijavu tillivudu", which is based on a story. It means, what we see can also be false, what we hear can also be false, when we think over the issue calmly then we will know the Truth.

What else can I say. I have tried to follow Truth in my daily life to the maximum possible. And whenever I have told false I have tried to correct it. There is difference between telling false and telling lie. Lying is consciously telling what is not true. And telling false is telling something which you feel is true but might be wrong at the end. I have consciously made effort that no lie should be spoken. I am successful in it to a large extent. And when I practiced this for many years, then only I began to get answers to my questions regarding Murlis, atleast I feel so. I think, mind has enormous capabilities. But the thing is we have made our best freind into a worst enemy. Lying mind is the worst enemy. I read in a news paper few months back about a man who was so fluent in lying, that the listener would never doubt him. That person would create stories such that the listener would never doubt him. ASnd now the condition of that lier is that he had to go to a famous Psychology hospital to get treated becuase he reached the state where he himself would get confused about the truth and lies. He himslef lost control over his mind and could not discern between the thoughts that would come to him, whether they were true or just lies. And this is a true story, although a tragedy.
Now, it is upto to everyone of us to decide, whether we want our mind to be our best freind or our worst enemy.
I accept that it is a very difficult task, there is no other way to get at The Truth. In the beginning, we atleast have to accept that we are lying whenever we lie. And we will have to accept that lying is not a good thing. I heard a swamiji telling in his lecture in a TV program. And I liked it very much.
Instead of saying Whatever is mine is good, if we say whatever is good is mine then our problems will start getting solved. We will defend anything that is ours, good or bad; and we will be hostile towards anything that comes from outside, bad or good. Now if we change this concept, surely all our issues in this world will get solved. The world has become a global village anyway due to the advancement of sceince and technology. But we boast of our acheivements but will never show gratitude towards what we get by the acheivements of others. That ungrateful attitude towards others acheivements is the basic cause for the confrontations in the present world.
And I feel that this is also your problem with the BKWSU.
ex-l wrote: And there is the fault in your BK thinking ... it really is so tiresome.

To speak of the reality ... is "to defame".
No one on this forum has stopped you from speking reality. But you should accept that you are not God. There are many things which you too do not know. And you should be humble enough to accept experiences of others too.
ex-l wrote: To seek and point out the truth ... is "to defame".
You are welcome to point out the Truth. But yuor intentions are not constructive but destructive. You are not interested in helping others to correct their faults and shortcomings, but you are interested in making fun of others shortcomings. And more interested in dissuading someone who wants to uplift himself/ herself.
ex-l wrote: To raise ethical questions ... is "to defame".
I support yuo in raising ethical questions. I have asked you to put a case in the court of your nation against those BK centres or the BKWSU in your country, which you feel are doing tax frauds. If you are not thinking about it, please think about it. And wish you best of luck in helping your government in catching those who are evading taxes.
ex-l wrote: To say or do anything except act as slavish, unquestioning parrots repeating the BKWSU whitewash ... is "to defame".
Your allegations against me are totally false. Although you know, you still are repeating the same thing as a parrot yourself.
I have left going to BK centres when I felt I was not welcomed there, because I had gone to Kampil (the centre of so called PBKs) in 1993.
I have left going to so called PBKs centres because there too I had the same feeling.
I have not stopped questioning myslef and others about anything I do not understand. That does not mean that I should force my opinion on others.
But the problem with you is that you want to force your opinions and bad experiences in the BKWSU upon others. You have suddenly brought up the issue of pulling down the underwear by some sister in BKWSU to have sex. And when I asked you about the facts about that thing then you have abruptly changed the topic. Is it that it was for you that the sister in BKWSU used to pull down her underwear? Come on, be open and have guts to tell the complete truth. Do not try to hit and run. Cowards do such a thing.

ex-l wrote: I must have a different dictionary from the one the BKWSU uses. I came seeking the truth and I am far nearer the truth now than I was from following the Brahma Kumaris. The spirit speaking to the Brahma Kumaris is not God. Is nationalism a large part of Brahma Kumarism?
The rat has atlast come out of the box.
The problem you are having is the racist attitude you do harbour within you. You can speak bullsh** about others. And when someone gives you logical answers, you are not able to digest them. You have never gone to Brahmakumaris to know about God. If your actual intentions were to know and understand God, then your questions after coming out of Brahmakumaris would be based on your search for God. You would have questioned BKWSU for the explanation they give about God. But you are interested in making vulgar jokes about any decent BKs.

You are not ashamed about your behaviour when you banned me from your brahmkumaris.info forum, and you even wanted to ban me from this froum too. You have banned me even from the BKWSUwatch.com site. And what were the reasons? The reason was that I was from some other splinter group called Vishnu Party. Even after I answered your admin. that I was not from that party, but you acted like a parrot repeating the same allegations whenever I questioned my banning. When you have the rights to question BKWSU, we too have rights to question BKs and the so called PBKs. Are you not ashmaed of your such behaviours? Surely, you need a dictionary made by your masters who are supporting you in your mission of defaming BKs.

Elephant goes its way and dogs keep barking. Barking of the dogs makes no difference to the walk of the elephant.
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Re: BKWSU for beginners

Post by fluffy bunny » 06 Nov 2009

Sachkhand ... you are not the reincarnation of Lekhraj Kripalani. You really, really, really are not.

You need to give all this up ... If you are en elephant, you need to take the ant from out of your ear. Focus on just becoming a nice, ordinary and well-liked person. And, for God's sake, have a laugh from time to time.

I am amazed by what come out with ... by what you consider to be important enough to publish on the internet.

OK, I am all the terrible things you call me ... but what impression are giving the world of 'the Chariot of God"?

My bottomline is that one does not need to "defame the BKWSU", one only needs to tell the truth and the whole truth. If the "the truth and the whole truth" is "defamation" to the BKWSU ... then the BKWSU is on the opposite side to truth.

Does that not sound logical to you?

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