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Reocurring natural happenings

Post by bansy » 11 Aug 2009

Just want to confirm, as Baba is also bound by drama, is BK-PBK Gyan saying that all natural events, from the smallest water ripple to the largest earthquake, from the thousands of little tremors that occur each week around the world, to every cloud being formed daily across the globe, to every raindrop particle falling, to each electron whizzing around the nucleus of an atom, will be repeated identcially. Note - natural events, hence "no control".

If so, how can uncontrollable events be bounded by drama controlled by 5000 years ? The minute dust particle that has just landed on your computer screen is going to be the same one next cycle ?

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Re: Reocurring natural happenings

Post by arjun » 12 Aug 2009

Om Shanti. This issue has been discussed several times in the discussion classes between ShivBaba (through Baba Dixit) and PBKs and it has been clarified that in a particular cycle (Kalpa) every atom will travel through all the stages or places that it travelled in the previous Kalpa. So, the dust particle that landed on your computer screen will come again on your computer screen at the same time in the next Kalpa.
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Re: Reocurring natural happenings

Post by bansy » 12 Aug 2009

What causes natural happenings ? e.g earthquakes, volcanoes etc. eg. What causes the earth to spin around the sun in an clockwise direction not anticlockwise, that is natural happening enough.

Is natural happenings karma free, after all is not that what "natural" means ? If so there is cause and effect (karma), so what is the cause that gives rise to natural occurences ?

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Re: Reocurring natural happenings

Post by shivsena » 23 Aug 2009

bansy wrote:What causes natural happenings ? e.g earthquakes, volcanoes etc. eg. What causes the earth to spin around the sun in an clockwise direction not anticlockwise, that is natural happening enough.

Is natural happenings karma free, after all is not that what "natural" means ? If so there is cause and effect (karma), so what is the cause that gives rise to natural occurences ?
Dear bansy.

Actually earthquakes etc are wrongly labelled as "natural calamities"; they should be labelled as "unnatural calamities" as mother nature was never meant to deadly to human beings in the first place. For first 2500 years of this broad drama there are no natural calamities as man (souls) and nature(bodies) are in perfect harmony with each other; it is only when the body(matter) becomes dominant over the soul that nature also starts revolting against mankind. If this fact was known to mankind then the words "natural calamities" would never have been coined.
The laws of nature are very simple:
Soul and body remain in harmony means no natural calamities(natural existence).
Body(5 vices) dominates soul means nature(5 elements) dominates mankind(unnatural existence).

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Re: Reocurring natural happenings

Post by bansy » 24 Aug 2009

Actually earthquakes etc are wrongly labelled as "natural calamities"; they should be labelled as "unnatural calamities" as mother nature was never meant to deadly to human beings in the first place. For first 2500 years of this broad drama there are no natural calamities as man (souls) and nature(bodies) are in perfect harmony with each other;
What this quote implies is that there were no "natural calamities" in the Golden and Silver Age.

Yes, man and nature lived in perfect harmony, but death still comes, but it is not death by pain but death by acceptance and in harmony. i.e. peaceful death, and no fear of death. There could be earthquakes and so on, but no man could be touched physcially upon in such events. It is only when the thoughts of pain and fear come (i.e. lacking of self and love) that the fear of pain and fear of death comes into thought.

It could be also said that the occurance of natural calamities did not happen very often at first. The mountain ranges and the shifts in continents and the magentic poles were all done during the moment before the Golden Age dawned (when all of mankind was dormant after the Confluence Age), and the new beginning arrives. There may be small tremors or even volcanoes at first, but as the population was little, it was not felt.

How can one account for objects from outer space colliding with the earth to form craters, if the world and everything was in harmony with itself. The only way for complete harmony is when the world is in complete stillness and there is no action or action and no movement. But we know that the earth goes around the sun and there are movements in the universe, there are tides that happen due to the rotation of the earth and the magnetic pull. And did the sun not produce solar flares in the Golden Age ? What kickstarted comets falling to earth ? Where there is movement (an action), there is a reaction.

That is what a "natural calamity" or "natural event" means, it is even beyond that of God's will, even God (in BKPBK Gyan) is bound by such drama.

If body and soul can dominate nature, then how can God dominate nature ?

To be above the elements does not mean to assume there is harmony, but harmony is to accept the events that occur naturally and to be as one with nature. When an earthquake happens, it happens. When a storm blows, it blows. You cannot do anything about it, only in thoughts. When the tornado comes to you, it is not the tornado that is moving, but it is the mind (thoughts) that is moving.

On a daily basis, no one thinks the earth is rotating each day, and we are all actually travelling at several thousand miles per hour, but that is the theory of relativity in action. No one thinks we are being stuck naturally to the earth due to gravity or we will drop off and float into space. These are natural occurances too.

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Re: Reocurring natural happenings

Post by shivsena » 24 Aug 2009

bansy wrote:
What this quote implies is that there were no "natural calamities" in the Golden and Silver Age.
Yes--i would like to repeat that there are no natural calamities at all in golden and silver ages and there is no death(concept) also. Death(suffering) enters the world only after Dwapur yug when souls become body-conscious.

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