"Unki atma ka hi naam shiv hai.Vah kab badalta nahi.Sharir badalte hai to naam bhi badal jaate.Jaise BRAHMA se Shankar,phir Vishnu"----------MU 24.1.75
But I did not see anywhere in the Murlis something about: ShivBaba = incorporeal God Father Shiv + the corporeal Confluence-Aged soul of Ram/Prajapita
I think it is from "Advanced knowledge".
"Shiv is name of their soul only.It never changes.When body(corporeal media)changes, name changes.Like BRAHMA to Shankar,then Vishnu"
"Asli naam unka hai hi SHIV.Inmein pravesh karte hai tab bhi naam SHIV hi hai."----------MU 8.9.68
" Their actual name is only SHIV.When entered in them then too name is SHIV only."
"ShivBaba somras pilate hai.Yun naam toh unka shiv hai;parantu padhate hai(kisime pravesh karke) isliye SOMNATH kah diya hai.Rudra bhi SOMNATH ko kaha jaatahai."--------MU 6.11.98
"ShivBaba make us drink the nectar of moon.As such his name is SHIV;but since (he) teaches(which happens only by entering in corporeal media)therefore he is called SOMNATH(controller of moon).RUDRA is also said to SOMNATH"
....ShivBaba is called as he teaches via corporeal media else soul's name is only shiv....
"Ek alaf ka pata nahi;baki toh bindi bindi ho jaati.Alaf ke saath bindi dene se faayda hai"---------MU 22.4.05
"Don't know about one ALAF;rest all becomes point.With ALAF if POINT(shiv) is given then its profitable."
....who is this alaf? with whom point SHIV should be seen? i.e SHIV bindi if seen with alaf it is profitable....so who is alaf? in Murli it has been said "ALAF ko mila ALLAH aur BE ko mili BADSHAHI"....who is alaf?
"BAAP alaf hi samjhaate hai.Alaf se hi varsa milta hai."---------MU 20.7.04
"Father explains only about alaf.We get inheritance only by ALAF"
.......name of SHIV remains the same but it changes when he enters the corporeal media and with different media he gets different name....Murli had cleared the content....
Logicaly Shiva=Shiva, Baba=Father, so ShivBaba=FatherShiva. I wonder how some minds can find so many meanings in those places where everything is simple and clear.
It is miracle indeed how strong is illusion and ignorance in some cases.
....hope you got the answer for your logical thinking from above Murli points....everything is really simple and clear but not the way how you are getting it dear....just see the below points....
"Creator BRAHMA ko nahi kaha jaata hai."------------MU 13.2.75
"BRAHMA is not called as creator"
----but even it is said that
"PRAJAPITA BRAHMA ko bhi creator kehte hai."-----------MU 26.7.77
"PRAJAPITA BRAHMA is also called creator"
here clearly it is indicated that "BRAHMA" is not the creator but "PRAJAPITA BRAHMA" is the creator....so BRAHMA and PRAJAPITA BRAHMA are two different personalities.....hence in Murli it has been said
"PRAJAPITA BRAHMA vah dono to naami graami hai"-----------MU 19.3.68
"PRAJAPITA BRAHMA they both are famous"
why they both? because they are our parents PRAJAPITA=Father + BRAHMA=MOTHER...similar to how we say MAAT PITA in Hindi....
But I hope that those who are clever enough will pay more attention to practice of soulcounscious stage rather than practicing mindcounscious.
Because our mind can lead us so far from reality, that the way back will take a lot of time.
....you might be correct but why we were not able to get the soulconscious stage in our 63 births?...baba comes here to make us from impure to pure.....that is why in Murli it has been said that
"Tum bachchon ko aakar atma ka parichay bhi mein deta hoon aur mere hi bataaye raaste par chal tum dehi abhimani bante ho"
(By coming here I myself give you the knowledge of soul and walking on my shown path you will become soul conscious
.....you don't know who ShivBaba is so how come you would walk in his shown path? how you would attain the soul conscious stage?....everything must be practical dear....