mbbhat wrote:The point is- since it is difficult to make people understand even if truth is spoken- because people may not believe them. so- instead of giving half of the old history, it is better not to discuss them. That may be the thinking of BKWSU.
I think that is a large part of the equation, the other being a desire to hide embarrassing and ugly events that would make them look bad.
I am sorry. My values are different from you and it seems most BKs. For me, truth is truth and reality is of a far higher value than a facade of pretences. For me, the current leadership has compromised truth for the sake of appearances and expansions.
For their aims, inline with what you say above, it is an understandable enough decision to make but not an admirable one ... turning Gyan into another Bhakti because Bhakti sells and is absorbed quicker by Bhakti souls. I can see how the BKWSU leadership thinks, "why bother them with the truth if it looks bad, makes people question, or puts Lekhraj Kirpalani, Om Radhe and the Dadis etc in a bad light?"
Why it is all important is because it is foundation to what has become a kingdom of falsehoods ... part of that falsehood being that the people that are current in power are particularly high spiritually.
Because the Knowledge and leadership have been corrupted, they have evolved in a way to defend themselves and protect exposure, to stop people questioning them, to hide the past. Consequently, BKs have a prepared excuse for everything. Words have double meanings. Rather than be simple and straight, the spiritual path has become a maze to trap people in.
mbbhat wrote:Fine. Then I think they did not use to remember Brahma Baba in meditation. So- it is right! (for the beginning)
They were in love with Lekhraj Kirpalani and remembered him all the time like lovers do but I don't think they did conscious meditation or conscious "remembering". There were the trance sessions in which the women and girls acted in an extreme way but those were triggered in some other way ... hypnosis, psychicism, some kind of siddhi power Lekhraj Kirpalani paid a lot of money to learn from the guru/saddhu from Bengal.
How can visions, trance can occur?
There are countless evidences of similar phenomenon from all over the world in all walks of life, not even just religions. "Divine" does not immediately equate to "God" ... I think this is the big mistake BKs have made. Yes, of course, something happened ... but why assume it was god. That is a huge ego and, in the beginning, we can see they certainly had a huge self-importance or ego and this has carried on through the religion until this day.
Lekhraj Kirpalani was not a religious man. He was not schooled in Yoga or religious traditions. His life business partner swore an affidavit to say that even he was "not a moral man", and he paid a huge sum to learn some power from a saddhu whilst in Calcutta. Yes, I accept "miraculous" things happen but I do not accept they were particularly good or beneficial. Modern people might say hypnotism. Actually, so they did in the 1930s. However, I am happy to accept the ancient theory of "siddhi powers" etc. I am even happy to accept Lekhraj Kirpalani was possessed by some other spiritual entity ... it just wasn't "God".
So what you have is an explosion of psychic powers in the minds of people with only basic religious or any education who struggled to understand them as best they could in the language they had. He was a grandiose, tricky, egotistical and so the religion expanded in that way.
It is clear that in the beginning, Lekhraj Kirpalani did not behave in a "pure" or enlightened manner. In fact, he was attacked for his amoral behaviour ... the complete opposite of what the BKWSU teaches. He was out of control. In order to survive, the cult had to adopt a religious facade taken from sources around it. Hence it took on words, ideas and forms from Vaishnavism, Sikhism, Islam, Christianity and assembled them crudely as a front, a defence, a business strategy. It has continued to do so to this day recently adopting terms from outside ... the Taoism, New Age and even business. They learnt to be many headed. Like Ravan. It all contradicts Shrimat.
how can you say PBKs are really logic, have more faith in knowledge?
Not "logical", I said more logical in comparison and certainly having more faith in the original teachings ... they are looking for the mystery in it rather than just deleting and erasing it.
(This is the history of all religions. They split into a small minority of truth seeking mystics, who are generally persecuted, and a majority of followers who are kept ignorant and suppressed by a small powerful elite who controls the power and wealth of the religion and protects their own position by censoring real knowledge and hiding the truth. This is the BKWSU today.)
if you believe knowledge of BKWSU is totally false, then if another organization continues to say- that knowledge is god's knowledge, and explains in different way, your first duty is to stand against that as you stand against BKWSU, is it not?
I have limited resources and expertise. My greatest expertise in the field of religion is with Brahma Kumarism. But, yes, there are 100s of cults like the Brahma Kumaris.
Most of religion, about 99%, is medieval or stone age garbage we should dispose of. There is nothing wrong with morals and ethics etc, hence I wish to make the BKWSU to have to be more ethical. There is nothing wrong with most BKs but there are some really poisonous or twisted ones inside the organization that should be chucked out or at least demoted.
Unfortunately, many of them are the leadership.
I have read the "Is this Justice"; but not read any messages. And still there is possiblity of missing some points , so i thought to verify from you.
The BKWSU has more of the old original documents and is keeping them hidden right now, they are working out how to drip feed the followers in a way they causes the least confusion and protects their position. If you are happy with this, and to be treated like a child by them, then carry on being an unquestioning BK. I would not trust the BK leadership at all. I would describe them as manly "buddhus" being made to run around by criminals.
The PBKs are also researching the history to discover the real truth and they and Virendra Dev Dixit is not as you portray them.
For me, it is not big thing. Because i believe Shiv had been there in DL from beginning.
"Something" or "someone" may well have been there from an early stage, I accept that, it does not necessarily have to be "God". Why cannot it just be some kind of slightly enlightened spirit entity ... why do we always have to inflate everything to be "Supreme", "Global" and so on?
But, the real god they might have assumed that- It was akhand jyoti (divine unlimited light), then ling, then the star, then point. [Murli points support that clearly. and even in the experiences of Dadis, it is mentioned]
Yes, and I think there has been a mistake in understanding "thumb shaped" meaning like a ling. I think it was thumb print shaped ... an oval.
It is a small thing now, as already explained.
It is a big thing because it draws into question the ethics and spiritual status of the leadership who, in truth, have little to no ethics and a relatively low spiritual standing.
Until the BK following understand that, it was not progress. It needs to chuck them out or, as we say in English, "put them out to grass" like old horses.
And they did not remembered Brahma Baba as Krishna directly ... Also they used to read lowkik Gita.
No, they did not study the Gita. That is false. In fact, it is documented, Lekhraj Kirpalani used to allow it to fall out of his hand onto the ground. Lekhraj Kirpalani and Krishna were one and the same, they girls used to hug onto him in groups, lie with him, swing and even bathe with him like girls might hug onto a film star today. He was also not 60 as the Murlis and literature says.
A simple thing- If Kriplani was given the highest place, how can there be concept of Divine Light in the very beginning?
Specifically, they said he was "higher than god (divine light)" ... what with the treatment of the Gita and the defamation of the Guru Granth, no wonder the Hindus were outraged at him. An uneducated, comfort and pleasure driven, non-religious businessman.
We need to know who, how and where the name and concept of Shiv came from. There is no evidence it came from Lekhraj Kirpalani. There is clear evidence of the opposite.
Or if it is as per your guess, of course, it might be- "Oh that divine light is Shiv"
The PBKs may well be wrong in many things but they are right to question in this area ... and that is why the BKWSU has always re-acted so strongly against Virendra Dev Dixit. He was right to question them. He was putting his finger onto big, hidden secrets within the egos of Prakashmani Dadi and others.
Secrets which may even involve suspicious deaths.