I have heard in Murlis that there are two Brahmas. But I have never heard there are two subtle Brahmas.there are two subtle Brahmas.
Shiv enter none of the subtle Brahmas (even if they exist).the other subtle Brahma is the real subtle Brahma (DL after 1969).
"Parmatma ke liye hee gaayan hai – Hey patit-paavan, aatey bhi hain patit duniya aur patit shareeer may. Patit shareeer ka naam hai Prajapita Brahma. Ismay pravesh kar kahtey hain mai bahut janmon kay anth vaaley saadhaaran manushya tan may pravesh kartaa hoon. Sookshmavatanvaasi sampoorna Brahma may nahee aatey hain. Khud kahtey hain inkay bahut janmon ke anth ke janma may aata hoon. Bahut janma letey hee hain Raadhey-Krishna. Unkay bahut janmon kay anth ka janma saadhaaran hai. Aisey toh kahtey nahee hain ki mai paavan shareeer may pravesh kartaa hoon. Bhagwaanuwaach mai saadhaaran tan may aata hoon. Ab Bhagwaan jaroor aakarke is saadhaaran tan dwara aatmaon ko baith samjhaatey hain ki mai Parampita Parmatma hoon. Mai Krishna kee aatma nahee hoon, na Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar kee aatma hoon. Mai Parampita Parmatma hoon, jisko Shiv Parmaatmaay namah kahaa jaataa hai. Mai ismay aaya hoon. Mai sookshmavatan vasi Brahma may pravesh nahee kartaa hoon. Mujhey toh yahaan patiton ko paavan banana hai. Merey dwara hee vah sookshmavatan vasi Brahma paavan banaa hai, isliye unko sookshma may dikhaya hai.....Bhagwaan oonch tey oonch niraakaar ShivBaba hai. Varsa deney ke liye jaroor Brahma tan may aayega. Yah Prajapita Brahma hai, sookshmavatanvaasi Brahma ko Prajapita nahee kahengey. Vahaan thodey hee praja rachengey. Ham Brahmakumar kumariyaan saakaar may hain toh Prajapita Brahma bhi saakaar may hain. Yah raaz aakar samjho. Ham is Dada ko Bhagwaan nahee kahtey. ... Yahaan koi paavan hai nahee. Trimurti Shiv ke badley Trimurti Brahma kah diya hai. Parantu Trimurti Brahma ka koi arth nahee hai." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 24.11.07, pg 1&2)
• “It is famous only for the Supreme Soul: O purifier of the sinful ones. He even comes in a sinful world and a sinful body. The name of the sinful body is Prajapita Brahma. He enters in this one and says: I enter in an ordinary human body of the last one of many births. He does not come in the complete Brahma who is a Subtle Region dweller. He Himself says: I come in the last one of their many births. It is Radha and Krishna who take many births. The last one of their many births is ordinary. He does not say – I enter in a pure body. God said: I enter in an ordinary body. Well, God certainly comes and explains to the souls through this ordinary body: I am the Supreme Father Supreme Soul. I am not the soul of Krishna, nor am I the soul of Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar. I am the Supreme Father Supreme Soul, the one who is called ‘Shiv Parmaatmaay namah”. I have come in this one. I don’t enter in the Subtle Region dweller Brahma. I have to come and purify the sinful ones here. It is through me that the Subtle Region dweller Brahma has become pure. This is why he has been shown in a subtle form........The highest on high incorporeal ShivBaba is God. In order to give the inheritance He will certainly come in the body of Brahma. This is Prajapita Brahma; the Subtle Region dweller Brahma will not be called Prajapita. The subjects (praja) will not be created there? We Brahmakumar-Kumaris are in corporeal form; so Prajapita Brahma is also in corporeal form. Come and understand this secret. We do not call this Dada God. ...... Nobody is pure here. Instead of Trimurti Shiv they have mentioned Trimurti Brahma. But there is no meaning of Trimurti Brahma.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 24.11.07, pg 1&2 published by BKs)
When Shiv doesn't enter in subtle Brahma at all, then the question of Shiv entering in Gulzar Dadi does not arise at all.No need. Because when just Shiv enters- there is no change.But when both enter, there can be change- why not?
It is the biggest misconception among BKs that Shiv has gone back to the supreme abode. Read the following Murli point:Yes, it is true that- when ShivBaba enters subtle Brahma and leaves- still cannot be predicted. ShivBaba may go to Paramdham leaving Brahma Baba in Subtle Region whenever he wishes.
• "Tum jaantey ho ham ShivBaba ke baney hain toh yah deh ka bhaan chodnaa padey. Apney ko aatma ashareeri samajhna mehnat ka kaam hai. Isko kahaa hee jaataa hai rajyog aur gyaan. Donon akshar aatey hain. Manushya jab martey hain toh unko kahtey hain Ram-Ram kaho ya guru log apna naam dey detey hain. Guru mar jaataa toh fir unkay bachchey ko guru kar detey hain. Yahaan toh Baap jaayengey toh sabhi ko jaanaa hai. Yah mrityulok ka antim janma hai. Baba hamko amarlok may ley jaatey hain, via muktidhaam jaanaa hai." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 24.03.08, pg 3)
• “You know that we have become ShivBaba’s (children), so we have to leave this body consciousness. To consider ourselves a bodiless soul is a difficult task. This is called rajyog and knowledge. Both the words are used. When people are about to die they are asked to utter the name of Ram or the gurus give their name. When a guru dies, his son is made the (next) guru. Here, when the Father departs, everyone has to go. This is the last birth in the abode of death. Baba takes us to the abode of eternity. We have to go via the abode of salvation.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 24.03.08, pg 3 published by BKs)
- BKs say that with the demise of Brahma Baba in 1969, Father Shiv also left for the Supreme Abode. But in the above Murli Baba is telling that here, when the Father departs, everyone has to go. Had ShivBaba departed in 1969, everyone should have gone to the Supreme Abode along with Him. But it did not happen like that. So, does it not prove that ShivBaba is even now performing His task in this world itself?