Maha-shiv-ratri: Incarnation of God Shiva.

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Maha-shiv-ratri: Incarnation of God Shiva.

Post by shivsena » 12 Feb 2010

To all bk-pbk brothers.

Wishing you all a very enlightening maha-shiv-ratri.

If shiv came in 1937, why do BKs celebrate shiv-ratri on the same day as the outside Bhakti-marg world....they should be celebrating shiv-ratri on the day shiv entered Lekhraj Kirpalani in 1937 and spoke the words "nijanand swaroopam-Gyan swaroopam-prakash swaroopam....etc etc.

Neither the BKs or PBKs know the exact date of incarnation of Shiva in Dada Lekhraj or in Baba Dixit, but BKs keep on celebrating shiv-ratri on the same day as the outside world indicating that bk philosophy is just an extension of Bhakti-marg.

In many Murlis, there is a song at the beginning: "Raat ke rahi thak mat jaana, subah ki manzil door nahin". (meaning: O weary traveller of the night, do not get tired, the morning is not very far")....if this song is there in Murlis, then does it not mean that God Shiva has still not incarnated on earth and that event will occur sometime in near future !!!!

Also in Vanis it is said: "Bap ki jayanti, so bacchon ki jayanti"....but Bap-aur 108 bacchon ki jayanti did not happen in past in bk or pbk world, which means that personified form of ShivBaba and his 108 children will be revealed sometime in near future.

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Meaning of ''Om'' and ''kafir''.

Post by shivsena » 07 Jan 2011

Just sharing with my brothers what i read on the internet.
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Meaning of 'Om' & 'Kafir' explained for Muslims
Monday, 10.22.2007, 01:36am (GMT-7)


Swami Rama Tirtha had a meeting with Muslims in Lucknow in the year 1905. When the Muslims entered the room and offered Swami Rama the traditional salutation (Adab 'Arz). The Paramahansa responded by saying 'OM' in serene and peaceful tones.

To this the Muslims at once took exception. They wanted to know why Rama had not returned their greeting in the same way and what was the secret reason for which he was saying OM in reply to their greeting. Swami Rama answered them with great love and told them that he had no mysteries to hide and no mental reservations.

The truth was (he said) that a person can give to others only what he possesses and that Rama himself only possessed OM and that alone. That OM, which was Rama's sole possession, represented the non-duality of Vedanta. Pressed to explain what he meant, Swami Rama replied that God is really nameless, although people call him by various names such as Ishvara or Allah.

Men of different faiths and persuasions feel their oneness with God by establishing some sort of relationship with him. It can be any relationship, but the truth or reality is only one. He is what he is, one without a second, indescribable and far beyond being circumscribed in words.

But the ancient Rishis and Saints have called him and known him through the significant symbol OM. Swami Rama went on to expound the special place of OM as a universal name of God, but the Muslims objected that they had never seen any mention of OM in their own holy scriptures and asked him (if what he said was true) whether he could quote any reference to OM in their Koran. Rama replied gently:

'Please listen to what is now being said. In the very beginning of your Koran, at the top, are three letters, alif (A), lam (L) and mim (M). Can any of you or any learned Mulawi of Islam explain what these three letters mean?' The Moslems replied that this was a secret which Allah had kept to himself. Swami Rama laughed heartily at this remark and said: 'When God has revealed the entire Koran for the benefit of mankind, as the Muslims claim, it is very strange that he has kept its very heading a secret. No.

It is not so. If you, the Muslims who put full faith in the Koran do not know the secret of the letters A, L, M, Rama will tell you what they signify. Alif, lam and mim are nothing but alif (A), wao (O) and mim (M), that is, AOM or OM.' The Muslims objected that the letter L is not the same as the letter O, but Swami Rama pointed out to them that in Arabic grammar L is pronounced O when it falls between a vowel and a consonant, as in the names Shamsuddin, which is written Shamsaldin, or Nizamuddin, which is written Nizamaldin.

The letter lam (L) becomes silent and gives the sound of the Arabic letter pesh (O or U). Therefore ALM is no secret; it is clearly and unambiguously OM and nothing but OM. It is Kufra, heretical or a sin, to blame God for keeping it a secret.

The Muslims (who did not know Arabic or the rules of its grammar) were clearly impressed by Swami Rama's explanation, but they caught on to his use of the word 'Kufra', meaning sin or heresy, and asked him to explain the meaning of that word and the related word 'Kafir', which to a Muslim means an infidel.

Swami Rama said the truth is that the followers of Islam have very wrongly interpreted the words 'Kufra' and 'Kafir', and they have also made a very wrong use of these words. Swami Rama went on to point out to them with great love that Islam literally means 'religion of peace', but that instead of preaching love for God seated in the heart of each man and the brotherhood of all men, the so-called leaders of Islam, on account of their superficial knowledge or ignorance, had injected a spirit of hatred and alienation into the hearts of the ignorant Muslims.

Dear friends, [he said], the meaning of Kufra [sin or heresy] is to hide. What? To hide the truth or reality is Kufra, and he who hides the truth is Kafir [infidel]. But how does a Kafir hide the truth? He hides it behind the curtain of his Khudi or ego, which has its roots in selfishness. In other words the person who asserts his ego or selfishness as against truth is a Kafir.

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Re: Meaning of ''Om'' and ''kafir''.

Post by Sach_Khand » 10 Mar 2011

Dear Shivsena,
Thank you for this post.
AUM SHANTI.

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

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