What is Ego of Knowledge?

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 07 Nov 2012

When we have ego of knowledge, anyone or all of the following can happen.

1) We will try to force solid food into the throat which is not yet capable of taking liquid food. [OR we will be feeding wrong people even when more important people are there to be served]. We will forget the saying- "See the pulse and give the medicine".

2) We will take the burden of the whole of the work on to our head.

3) We will not have enough faith [that everything will happen itself at right time, so that i need not take burden]. We will spoil the process of imbibing of the knowledge in others. We will try to ripe the mango by pressing it.

4)We will be moving away from The Knowledge! Because due to ego, our explanation will be more than the limit or take wrong direction due to deviation. Then we will be moving away from the goal/essence.

5)Ego will also hinder growth of self.

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 09 Nov 2012

Even in lowkik world, the students who are studying will have ego of the knowledge*. Even those who earn will have ego of their knowledge, status. It is when a person is satisfied with his earnings, his ego dies.

Similarly, ego in spirituality also will die only when a person becomes satisfied with his effort, not what the knowledge he gained nor the status he got in spiritual service/field- let it be Maharathi, sister incharge, Dadi, Didi, etc.

* - very rare will not have ego from student life till the last breadth. So- here, also such souls are highest praise worthy and highest lucky.

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 10 Nov 2012

A person if has good health/body does not imply to show him off. It is wise if he does not stretch himself fully = do not put his full energy out (except in emergencies). but, if he keeps on lifting load up to his full capacity, every time, he is going to lose health.

A person who has lot of money- it does not imply that he should take the money now and then and show it to others. It would be foolishness. He will give money only if the other is able to understand value of money and uses for best purpose. Similarly, we should deliver knowledge in the same way. Else, others may make shame of us and we will lose our value.

That is why Baba says- Knowledge is precious, do not waste it. [But, it is our duty to give message to all]. Those who belong to deity religion will automatically come just by listening to few points. Like if a student is really interested in engineering study, he will proceed himself for the study.

Similarly, there is need to use knowledge only to the needed level. More exercise on knowledge is not going to help at all.

But, ego will make us to put effort more than required, and also in many cases at wrong times and incidents.

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 11 Nov 2012

We learn more by seeing/remembering Baba than what he speaks (knowledge). So- the knowledge is in the lower level.

To accept anything or judge anything, there should be some inner power (discriminating power) , else we will not be able to judge at all. This is the one that makes difference between human and animal souls.

Similarly, one who has already the minimum level of discriminating power inside only will recognize god. Others cannot, whatever knowledge is input to them. that may be the reason why Baba says- "Give message to all. That is you duty. But, no need to argue or go into details. Those who belong to deity religion, will automatically come".
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Which is the right/best knowledge? :-

The one which gives us highest earnings is the best.

It is said knowledge brings happiness, knowledge brings power.

So- the knowledge that teaches and brings highest highest power and happiness is the real knowledge.

One who does not know value of money, cannot understand the value of knowledge in lowkik world.

And- purity is the highest earnings (power and happiness). Hence, one who realizes the value of purity only will be able to realize the right knowledge.

If anyone expects from the other or complains, the knowledge he has is not real/full.

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 12 Nov 2012

SM 11-1-78(3):- Yah Brahma hai murabbi bachcha. Kahte hain Trimurti Brahma. Trimurti S va Trimurti V nahin kahenge. Dev2 Mahadev to Shankar ko kahte hain, phir Trimurti Brahma kyon kahte? Insay Praja rachte hain. To yah unki vanni(stree) banti hai. S va V vanni nahin bante hain. Yah bahut wonderful baatein hain samajhne ki. Besamajhvaale bhi samajhvaalon se in baaton may teekhe jaa sakte hain. Sirf baap aur varse ko Yaad karna hai. Bas. Isee may hee mehnat hai.


= .... The one who understand less also can go ahead of those who understand more in these things. Because there is need just to remember Father and property. That is all. There is effort only in this.

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 13 Nov 2012

Even god could not give knowledge as it is directly. He had to first give visions, that too not of himself, if Krishna, Brahma, etc.

He had to say- initially- i am indivisible light, then ling, then star, then point.

So- there is need of some dependency to give real knowledge.
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A Murli point:- Knowledgeful does not mean to have knowledge of something. It also means to have knowledge of how much to give, when to give, to whom to give, how to give. Like before putting/sowing the seed, the ground is checked, before giving medicine, the condition of patient is checked, similarly we should use knowledge.

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 30 Nov 2012

Knowledge sits in pure intellect- in simpler words- it is-

# like one can see only when his vision (eye sight) is clear.

# Or food can be digested only if there is already digesting power inside.

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 03 Dec 2012

In the world, those who have higher level of knowledge are not the people who earn most. It is those who are excellent in business who earn highest.

Murli point also says- very few only do business with Baba.

so- how much transaction/relation happens with Baba is more important than what knowledge we have.

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 08 Dec 2012

Where is the use of information?

BKs also have great task of doing service. Hence enough information is also necessary .

So- information should be used for such purposes.

This is the reason_ why Baba says- LISTEN TO RADIO NEWS, READ NEWS PAPERS, ETC.


But, we should not lose our self esteem in searching for these information.

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 26 Jan 2013

A Murli point- when science goes deeper more than the limit, it will invent weapons of mass destruction.

I think- similarly, when a person goes deeper in knowledge more than necessary he also will be committing a spiritual suicide and will be also misguiding together with guiding.
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Some more Murli points about ego of knowledge:-

1)AM 2-2-69(Pg 33 and 34 of the book):- Ek mukhy shikshsaa bachchon ke prati de rahe hain. Ab service toh karnee hee hai. Yah toh sabhee bachchon ki buddhi may lakshy hai aur lakshy ko porn bhee karenge. Lekin is lakshy ko poorn karne ke liye beech may ek mukhy vighn aayegaa. Vah kounsaa pataa hai? Mukhy vighn service may baadhaa daalney ke liye kounsaa aayegaa? Sabhee ke aage naheen, majority ke aage aayegaa. Vah kounsaa vighn hai, pahley se hee bataa dete hain. Service karte2 yah dhyaan rakhnaa ki maine yah kiyaa, main hee yah kar saktaa hun… Yah main_pan aanaa – isko hee kahaa jaataa hai gyaan ka abhimaan, buddhi kaa abhimaan. In roopon may aage chal_kar vighn aayenge. Lekin pahley se hee is mukhy vighn ko aane naheen denaa. Isliye sadaa ek shabd Yaad rakhnaa ki main nimitt hun. Nimitt ban_ney se hee niraakaari, nirahankaari, namrachitt, nis_sankalp avasthaa may rah saktey hain. Agar mane kiyaa, main2 toh maaloom hai kyaa hoga? Jaise nimitt ban_ney se niraakaari, nirahankaari , nirsankalp sthiti hoti hai, vaise hee main2 aane se magroori, murjhaayis, maayoosi aa jaati hai. Uski phir result kyaa hogi? Aakhree anth may uski result yahee hoti hai ki chalte2 jeete huye bhee mar jaate hain. Isliye is mukhy shikshaa ko sadaa saath rakhnaa ki main nimitt hun. Nimitt ban_ney se koyi bhee ahankaar utpann naheen hogaa. Naheen agar main_pan aa gayaa toh mat_bhed ke chakr may aa jaayenge. -33, 34 [gyaani tu atma]

= (Father is) giving one important teaching for the children….. What main obstacle will come in the service? ... while doing service, having this feeling that- I have done this, I only can do this. ... This I, I – this is called as ego of knowledge or ego of intellect. ........

2)AM 09-06-69 (Pg 72 of the book) :- Buddhi may jyaadaa gyaan aa jaataa hai toh us_say phir jyaadaa albelaapan ho jaataa hai. Jo apney ko kum samajhdaar samajhte hain vah phir bhee teevr purushaarth kar rahe hain. Lekin jo apney ko jyaadaa samajhdaar samajhte hain vah jyaadaa albelaapan may aa gaye hain. Jaise pahley2 purushaarth ki tadpan thi. Aisaa bankar dikhaayenge. Yah karke dikhayenge. abhe vah tadpan khatmho gayi hai. Trupti ho gayi hai. Apney aapse trupt ho gaye hain. gyaan toh samajh liyaa, service toh kar hee rahe hain. Chal hee rahe hain. Yah trutp aatmaa is roop se naheen ban_naa hai. Purushaarth may tadaph honi chaahiye. Jaise baandheliyaan tadafti hain toh purushaarth bhee teevr kartee hain. Aur jo baandhelee naheen, vah trupt ho jaatee hain, toh albeley ho jaate hain. – 72 [gyaani tu atma]

= when more knowledge comes into intellect, then children become more careless. Those who consider themselves to be lesser intelligent/knowledgeful, they still (comparatively) do fast effort. But, those who consider themselves to be higher intelligent have become more careless...

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 02 Feb 2013

Purpose of knowledge is to experience God and reveal God.

But, ego of knowledge hinders both of these.

Hence it is said- truth/satyata is revealed by sabhyata (virtues).

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 12 Feb 2013

Murli points:-

1)Gyaan may bal naheen hai. Gyaan bal kyon kahaa jaataa hai? Kyonki shaastron may bal naheen hai = There is no power in knowledge. (Then) why there is name power of knowledge? Because there is no power in scriptures.

So- practically, just by knowledge, no real gain. So- where these discussions and discussions will lead to?

2)The word praacheen Yoga (ancient Yoga) is famous, and not praacheen gyaan(ancient knowledge).

3) Jo Sakar ko Yaad karte hain, vah itnaa gyaan uthaa naheen saktyey hain = Those who remember corporeal things, cannot imbibe so much knowledge.

So- those who do discussions on corporeal things, and literal figures and facts- how much knowledge can they imbibe?

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 25 Feb 2013

TRUE VICTORY:-

True Victory is not to attain victory (= not to have feeling of victory). It is to go beyond the feeling of victory and defeat. That is to go beyond the feeling of duality. It is to feel both loss and gain as same, praise and criticisms as same.

Similarly, real aim is not to understand karma philosophy. It is go beyond effects of karma. That is to become karmaateet.


That is why the why the depth of knowledge is very deep. For example, knowledge is like water. But, as we go deeper, we get gems.

Aim is neither to swim ( not to be in conscious of knowledge) in the water, not to drink the water, but to reach depth of the knowledge (gems). So- one should be conscious of the final point (essence) always.

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

Post by mbbhat » 03 Mar 2013

There are three things-

IQ (Intelligence Quotient),
EQ (emotional Quotient) and
SQ (Spiritual Quotient).

EQ and SQ are of more importance than IQ.

Ego of Knowledge will not allow to develop EQ and SQ properly.

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Re: What is Ego of Knowledge?

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This is an interesting topic mbbhat Bhai, and you have made some good points... But the thing that you have highlighted for me, is the importance of accurate remembrance, with the emphasis on accurate. It is all well and good realising that remembrance is the no 1 subject, but first one has to understand Gyan well enough, to know who and how to remember the Father. If you are remembering Father Shiv in the Soul World, you are not remembering accurately, and so all your points are going to waste.

"So most important, is to understand the role of Father... who is Father?... until this is understood, everything is a waste." [Mu 05.04.67]

“All right, what is the Supreme Soul whom you remember? You say that He is a form of an imperishable light. But He is not like this. It is wrong to remember an imperishable light. Remembrance should be accurate, shouldn’t it? Just gossip will not work. One should know accurately.” [Mu 09.05.71]

"One should not think that ‘our Yoga(link) is only with ShivBaba (the point of light).’ They (who believe this) are BKs only (not PBKs). ShivBaba can give knowledge through Brahma only (yet Dadi Gulzar has never been referred to as Brahma). If you remember only ShivBaba (the point of light), then how will you listen to Murli? Then what will be the result? If you don’t study, then which post will you achieve?” [Mu 17.09.05]

"Those who remember Father above (in the Soul World, Paramdham) follow the path of worship, because they do not know the occupation. They do not know His name, form, country, and time." [Mu 14.10.68]

"God speaks: Manmanabhav! Renounce the arrogance of the body! Consider yourself to be a soul! What is the form of a soul? They(BKs)say that a soul is a star that resides in the centre of the forehead. Therefore, the Father of souls would also be like that. They(BKs) then say, that He is beyond name and form (in the Soul World, after 1969). They say(do the shooting of through their actions) of the Father, that He is the Brahm element, that is, an element of constant light. Brahm is unlimited, just as you cannot reach the end of the sky. OK, even if someone reached the end, no one receives liberation or liberation-in-life through that(i.e. going to the Soul World to remember Father Shiv, is not the way to achieve liberation in life). Only you (PBK) children understand the meaning of liberation and liberation-in-life(i.e. to become Narayan in this very birth - nar so Narayan, not the next). The (BK) world doesn't know anything at all. They even sing: He is the Ocean of Knowledge, the Seed of the human world tree(emphasis on human). He is the Truth and the Living Being. He is the Purifier, and so He would definitely come in the impure world (and take a human corporeal form - i.e. play a role as a practical living being). You (PBKs) explain that when (advance) knowledge exists, there cannot be devotion. (Advance) Knowledge is the day, (and through it, the foundation shooting of) the Golden and Silver ages (takes place between 1976 and 1982). Devotion(ignorance of the deeper meaning of knowledge) is the night(path of the Confluence Age, with its foundation shooting between 1969 and 1976)." [Mu 17.12.12]

"The sweet silent Soul World (of Paramdham) is unlimited, you cannot find its end. Baba says, you need not go there to search for anything, there is no benefit in doing this. They(BKs) go beyond the stars to find the Soul World and the Supreme Soul (Shiv), but what is the use; this is not the way to find the Father or have Yoga with Him (as Father Shiv resides in His permanent Chariot, Prajapita-Ram, from 1969 onwards)." [Mu 06.05.87]

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