From the topic- http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t= ... dhi#p41694
Arjun soul replied-1) I think- remember incorporeal in corporeal - means remember soul in the body. Means- while doing karma, be in the conscious of both- soul and body- (else for one who is an ordinary effort maker, one cannot do karma if he is tries to be fully soul conscious directly) that is- I am soul (incorporeal) doing karma through the body (corporeal). OK- I cannot prove literally- but I have given logical explanation for that.
It is never said- Remember god in Chariot. so- how can PBKs interpret so? So- I do not think- without giving valid logical explanation, if one interprets the above in this way- he has no right to complain BKs that they are against srimath- because when Murli point clearly says- do not remember Chariot, or remember me there in Paramdham, then is the above PBKs' interpretation is not against srimath?
• "Bahut bachchey saadhaaran roop dekh moonjhtey hain, ultaa bolney lag padtey hain. Achchey-achchey bachchey unko bhi Maya chamaat maar deti hai. Samajhtey hain – bas jo kuch hai niraakaar hee hai. So toh theek hai na. Niraakaar nahee hota toh ham tum kaisey hotey. Parantu niraakaar ko toh rath jaroor chaahiye na. Rath bigar kya karengey, ShivBaba kya karega? Rath may aaye tab toh tum unsay milengey. Tumhee say sunoon, tumhee say baithoon. Toh rath jaroor chaahiye na. Achcha saakaar bigar niraakaar ko Yaad kar dikhaao. Kya tumko gyaan prernaa say milega? Fir merey paas aaye hee kyon ho? Yah Baba bhi kahta hai ki varsa toh ShivBaba say lena hai. ShivBaba kahtey hain mai is saadhaaran tan may baith padhaataa hoon. Padhaai toh jaroor chaahiye na. Bahut achchey-achchey bachhon ka maatha hee fir jaataa hai. Doh-chaar center kholtey toh bas ahankaar aa jaataa hai. Fir ultaa boltey rahtey hain. Fir kabhi buddhi may aa bhi jaataa hai ki yah hamney theek nahee kahaa, fir pashchaataap kartey hain. Baba kahtey hain mai saakaar bigar kaisey samjhaaunga. Ismay prernaa kee toh baat hee nahee." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 22.09.07, pg 2&3)
• “Many children get confused on seeing the ordinary form; they start speaking in an opposite way. Maya slaps even the nice children. They think – the incorporeal one is everything. That is alright, isn’t it? Had the incorporeal one not been there, how could I or you have existed? But the incorporeal one certainly requires a Chariot, doesn’t He? What can He do without a Chariot? What can ShivBaba do? Only when He comes in a Chariot that you can meet Him. (It is said that) “I shall listen only to you, I shall sit only with you.” So, the Chariot is certainly required, isn’t it? OK, remember the incorporeal without the corporeal and show. Will you get knowledge through inspiration? Then why did you come to me in the first place? This Baba also says that the inheritance has to be obtained from ShivBaba. ShivBaba says I sit in this ordinary body and teach. Knowledge is certainly required, isn’t it? The brains of very nice children get twisted. No sooner than they open two-four centers they become egotistic. Then they keep speaking in an opposite way. Then sometimes it even comes to their intellect that whatever they spoke was not proper. Then they repent. Baba says how will I explain without the corporeal (medium)? There is no question of inspiration in this at all.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 22.09.07, pg 2&3 published by BKs)
- Baba is telling that “remember the incorporeal without the corporeal and show. Will you get knowledge through inspiration?” But you say that there is no need to remember incorporeal through the corporeal. Look, mbbhat Bhai, all these topics have been discussed numerous times on this forum especially with you. But if you still want to remember Shiv as a point of light just as BKs are doing since1969 you are free to do so. But please don't waste our time by repeating the old questions.