ex-l wrote: Have you left? Do you talk from experience or theory?
Yes I do. As I have posted in another subject, I have 12 years of on and off experience now with the BK (3 years totally off now). I have family members that are still in and not thinking of leaving. I am not thinking of going back. Therefor, I am an X-BK.
I do talk from experience. I still use astral traveling today. When I was younger, I would have small sessions of automatic writing, but since I would only ask about personal matters, like how can I be closer to Baba, I don't feel like sharing them with the WWW. Sorry.
One thing that divides this forum is the question of whether BK Shiva is "god" or not.
I understood that. I think that would make a great topic to post about. And I wouldn't mind making the honours, if yudhishtira
hadn't already opened one (Commonroom, Who's God to you?). I still like to call my Supreme One "Baba" or "Shiva". I've never had a problem with the Divine. It's men "with" the Divine I cannot handle :D. And I don't see why they should be the only ones using the names. If you prefer, I can switch to Allah, or She
. It's a pretty name too ...
I have no problem if you are a card carrying BK or not ... but I would prefer that you spoke from and of your own personal experience rather than project fairly typical mushy emotions BKs theories on we others. You personal experiences sound valid enough to be. If you feel the need to discharge some of the Dadi classes you have listened to, that is fine.
The stuff I said about the scientists was true, and confirmed to me many times. If you do want references, look in the book reuniting Murli quotes about the Golden Age. No, leaving BK life at the time was not a relief, as you say. It was frightening. In the group, I had the security of belonging somewhere. Of being able to find material support when needed, even physical protection. As the spiritual turmoil; well, when you don't find yourself worthy of something good, you usually find yourself calling for something bad (self-punishment). I am not saying it IS the case. It is possible.
Unfortunately, these emotions that you call "mushy" are typical. Very much. That's the sadness of it. You feel like you are the only one feeling it though. YOU HAVE NOBODY TO SHARE THEM WITH (and no, a Dadi that tells you you shouldn't be feeling sad doesn't count). And you fall off your chair when you find out you aren't. That is the point of mentioning them. I am sorry if you find this repetitive, for it is. And it has a relationship with psychic attacks, because the offenders want you to feel isolated and ressourceless, especially when you are not.
Do you know what it feels like when your mind tells you, "well, you won't spend Amrit Vela with Baba, so now you are going to sleep with Ravan!"? I'll tell you, you don't sleep at all :D :lol:. And I am certain I am not the only one who's had that happen. I am the sleep loving type, this shouldn't have happened to me.
I concede this point; you do not need to be vulnerable to receive a psychic attack. But being vulnerable increases the chance of getting one, or being affected be one. In the situation we're in, as in BK life is lived to become God-like, the assertions I've made are realistic. I have lived that and they have been mentioned in other cases. And a person, living or else, is more likely to use what's already there to help them attack you, something like your own feelings of uneasiness.
It's not necessarily an attack, sometimes it's just "something" passing by, something you know should not be there. I used to love watching horror movies, now I don't even dare look at previews. This is especially difficult in Halloween, were I just have to turn the TV off. Science fiction at most, no cutting heads off and the hero has got to save the world.