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Post by arjun » 24 Aug 2007

Your work and postings are always appreciated, I too feel a little concern that Q&A, may not be Shrimat and therefore misleading. This one seems particularly aimed at shutting up any dissenters, yet I have read in Murli, if you have any doubt you should speak or write to ShivBaba.
Dear brother,

Om Shanti. Yes, I agree that the Q&A published by the BKs at the beginning of each Sakar Murli is not an extract from the respective Murlis, but have been framed by the Murli team of BKs on the basis of some of the versions of that Murli.

Initially, I was under the impression that the answer portion might be an extract of the actual versions of Baba in that Murli. But I too got a doubt and checked/tallied one or two answers with the main text of the Murli and found that the words did not match exactly.

So, there is every possibility that the above Q&A quoted by you could be aimed at shutting up any dissenters (particularly the PBKs) who might be still attending the Murli classes.

Anyways, I would continue posting these Q&A as long as time and energy permits.

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Post by arjun » 24 Aug 2007

Prashna No.SM-26: Kaun Silver Age raaz jaan-ney kay kaaran tum bachchey shaanti va sukhh maangtey nahee ho?
Uttar: Tum drama kay raaz ko jaantey ho. Tumhay pataa hai ki yah naatak poora hoga. Ham pehley shaanti may jaayengey fir sukh may aayengey, isliye tum shanti va sukh maangtey nahee, apney shaant swaroop may sthit hotey ho. Manushya toh apney swadharma ko bhi nahee jaantey aur drama kay raaz ko bhi nahee jaantey. Isliye kahtey hain merey man ko shaanti do. Ab shaanti toh vaastav may aatma ko chaahiye, na ki man ko.


Question No.SM-26: Because of knowing which secret do you children do not beg for peace or prosperity?
Ans: You know the secret of the drama. You know that this drama would finish. We would first go into peace and then we would come in happiness/prosperity. That is why you do not beg for peace or prosperity. You become constant in your form of peace. Human beings do not even know their swadharma (religion of the self) and they do not even know the secret of the drama. That is why they say – give peace to my mind. Well, it is the soul which actually requires peace, not the mind.

(taken from the revised Sakar Murli dated 09.07.07, published by the BKs in Hindi and translated by a PBK)

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Post by arjun » 25 Aug 2007

Prashna No.SM-27: Sabsey numberone conference kab aur kaun see hoti hai? Us say praapti kya hai?
Uttar: Sangam par atma aur parmatma ka Milan hee numberone conference hai. Jab yah conference hoti hai tab aatmaon ko parmatma say mukti va jeevanmukti ka varsa milta hai. Isay hee sachcha-sachcha kumbh bhi kaha jata hai. Yah kumbh ka mela firstclass conference hai. Iskay baad fir koi conference, Yagya tap aadi hotey nahee. Sab band ho jaatey hain.


Question No.SM-27: Which is the numberone conference and when does it take place? What are the attainments from it?
Ans: In the Confluence (Age), the meeting of the soul and the Supreme Soul is the numberone conference. When this conference takes place, the souls get the inheritance of mukti and jeevanmukti from the Supreme Soul. This itself is called the true Kumbha (fair) also. This Kumbha fair is the first class conference. After this, there will not be any conference, Yagya, penance, etc. Everything stops.

(taken from the revised Sakar Murli dated 10.07.07, published by the BKs in Hindi and translated by a PBK)

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Post by arjun » 26 Aug 2007

Prashna No.SM-28: Sabsey bhari manzil kaun see hai? Jiska purushaarth bahutkaal say chaahiye?
Uttar: Antkaal may ek baap kee hee Yaad rahey aur koi Yaad na aaye, yah bahut bhaari manzil hai. Agar koi Yaad aaya toh isee duniya may janma lena padey, isliye bahutkaal say ShivBaba kee Yaad may rahney ka abhyaas karo.


Question No.SM-28: Which is the most difficult goal, for which efforts have to be made for a long time?
Ans: In the end one should remember one Father alone and none else. This is a very difficult goal. If one remembers anyone then one would have to take birth in this world itself. That is why you should practice remaining in the remembrance of ShivBaba since a long time.

(taken from the revised Sakar Murli dated 12.07.07, published by the BKs in Hindi and translated by a PBK)

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Post by arjun » 27 Aug 2007

Prashna No.SM-29: Kayi bachchon kee avastha chaltey-chaltey daanvadol kyon ho jaati hai?
Uttar: Kyonki pakka nishchay nahee hai. Jab nishchay may kamee aati hai tab paarey kee tarah avastha neechey oopar daanvadol hoti hai. Kabhi bahut khushi rahtee, kabhi khushi kam ho jaati.


Question No.SM-29: Why does the stage of many children shakes while treading the path of knowledge?
Ans: It is because one does not have firm faith. When the faith reduces, then the stage swerves up and down like the mercury. Sometimes one remains in a lot of happiness, sometimes the happiness reduces.

(taken from the revised Sakar Murli dated 12.07.07, published by the BKs in Hindi and translated by a PBK)

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Post by arjun » 28 Aug 2007

Prashna No.SM-30: BapDada dono hee nirahankari ban bachchon kay kalyaan kay liye kaun see ray detey hain?
Uttar: Bachchey, sadaiv samjho hamey ShivBaba padhaatey hain. Bhal Brahma Baba bhi tumhey padhaa saktey hain, lekin ShivBaba ko Yaad karney may hee tumhara kalyaan hai. Isliye yah Dada nirahankari ban kahtey hain mai tumhey nahee padhaata hoon. Padhaaney vala ek Baap hai, usay hee Yaad karo. Unki Yaad say hee tum vikarmajeet banengey, vikarma vinaash hongey. Meri Yaad say nahee.


Question No.SM-30: Both Bap&Dada who are egoless give which advice to the children for their benefit?
Ans: Children, always think that it is ShivBaba who teaches us. Although Brahma Baba can also teach you, but your benefit lies in remembering ShivBaba. That is why this Dada becomes egoless and says – I do not teach you. The teacher is one Father; Remember only Him. You would become victorious over vices, and the vices would get destroyed only by remembering Him, and not by remembering me.

(taken from the revised Sakar Murli dated 13.07.07, published by the BKs in Hindi and translated by a PBK)

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Post by arjun » 29 Aug 2007

Prashna No.SM-31: Baap sabhi bachchon ko kaun see warning (saavdhaani) detey hain?
Uttar: Bachchey, Baap kay baney ho toh Ishwariya bachpan ko kabhi bhool nahee jana. Koi bhi vikarma nahee karna. Baap say pratigya kar usay chodnaa nahee. Agar Baap ko bhoolengey toh Maya khushi gayab kar degi, fir buddhi hairaan hoti rahegi, ghabraatey rahengey. Vikarma kartey rahengey. Buddhi ka tala band ho jayega. Isliye ShivBaba kay baney ho toh bachpan sadaa Yaad rakho.


Question No.SM-31: Which warning does the Father give to all the children?
Ans: Children, when you have become Father’s children, never forget the Godly childhood. Do not commit any sin. Do not leave/break the promise after making it with the Father. If you forget the Father then Maya would cause the happiness to vanish. Then the intellect would keep getting disturbed, you would go on fearing. You would keep committing sins. The intellect would get locked. That is why, when you have become ShivBaba’s children, always remember the childhood.

(taken from the revised Sakar Murli dated 14.07.07, published by the BKs in Hindi and translated by a PBK)

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Post by arjun » 30 Aug 2007

Prashna No.SM-32: Udaarchit bachchon kee nishaani kya hogi?
Uttar: Vah auron ka bhi kalyaan kartey rahengey. Daan karney ka shauk hoga. Is samay jo daan kartey hain unhein hee punya miltaa hai. 2- Udaarchitt bachchey bholanath Baba jaisey fraakdil hongey. Vay Yagya may Dadhichi rishi misal haddiyaan dengey.


Question No.SM-32: What would be the indications of nobleminded children?
Ans: They would go on causing the benefit of others also. They would have a hobby of donation. Those who donate now would only get punya (good deeds/righteous actions). 2- The noble minded children would be liberal like the Bholanath Baba. They would give their bones in the yaya like sage Dadhichi.

(taken from the revised Sakar Murli dated 16.07.07, published by the BKs in Hindi and translated by a PBK)

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Post by arjun » 31 Aug 2007

Prashna No.SM-33: Rahamdil bachchon ka kartavya kya hai?
Uttar: Jab koi faaltu baat karey toh uskee faaltu baat na sun unkay kalyaan arth badon ko sunaanaa - yah rahamdil bachchon ka kartavya hai. Jinmay koi puraani aadatein hain unhein mitaaney may sahyogi banana hee rahamdil banana hai.


Question No.SM-33: What is the duty of merciful children?
Ans: Not to listen when anyone speaks wasteful matters, and telling (about him/her) to the elders for his/her benefit - this is the duty of the merciful children. Becoming helpful to someone in removing anyone's old habits is to become merciful.

(taken from the revised Sakar Murli dated 17.07.07, published by the BKs in Hindi and translated by a PBK)

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Post by arjun » 31 Aug 2007

John Bhai wrote:I too feel a little concern that Q&A, may not be Shrimat and therefore misleading. This one seems particularly aimed at shutting up any dissenters, yet I have read in Murli, if you have any doubt you should speak or write to ShivBaba.
Om Shanti. The above Q&A no.SM-33 is another example of how they have been framed by human beings and not based on the actual versions of ShivBaba in that particular Murli.

The words "and telling (about him/her) to the elders for his/her benefit" contained in the answer to Q.No.SM-33 are not contained anywhere in the Sakar Murli dated 17.07.07 on which it is supposed to be based.

I am producing below the concerned paragraph of the Sakar Murli dated 17.07.07, page 3, on which the above Q&A-SM-33 is supposedly based:

"Baba is Dada ke mukhh dwara boltey hain. Jo ratna Baba kay mukhh say nikaltey hain, vahee tum bachchon kay mukhh say nikalney chaahiye. Faaltu baatein suntey bhi nahee sun-ni hain. Koi toh baith khushi say suntey hain. Baba kahtey aisi baatein suno mat. Rahamdil ban kismay koi puraani aadat hai toh mitaani chaahiye. Haanji kar sun-na nahee chaahiye. Jo Baba sukhdhaam ka maalik banaatey hain, aisey Baba kee glaani toh ham sunengey nahee."

"Baba speaks through the mouth of this Dada. Only the versions that emerge from the mouth of Baba should emerge from the mouth of you children. One should not listen to wasteful matters even while hearing. Some sit and listen happily. Baba says - do not listen to such matters. One should become merciful and remove the old habits, if any, of anyone. One should not say 'Yes, Sir' and listen. Baba, who makes us the masters of the abode of prosperity, we would not listen to the defamation of such Baba."


It is obvious that the above line was added to encourage reporting of weaknesses of Brahmin souls by fellow Brahmins to the Seniors. In some Murlis Baba does say that report the weaknesses of fellow Brahmin souls to Baba so that he can correct them through Murli, but I have not heard Baba saying that report the mistakes to the Seniors. Well the word 'senior' itself could be ambiguous. With such a long heirarchy in the Yagya from village level gitpapathshala to the headquarters (Madhuban), who could be treated as Seniors and with what level of experience or dharna?

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Post by arjun » 01 Sep 2007

Prashna No.SM-34: Kaun Silver Age title kisi dehdhaari ko nahee dey saktey lekin Brahma Baap ko dey saktey hain?
Uttar: Shri ka title kyonki Shri arthaat shreshtha pavitra ko kaha jata hai. Kisi dehdhaari manushya ko yah title dey nahee saktey kyonki bhrashtaachaar say janma letey hain. Brahma Baap ko Shri kahtey kyonki inka yah alokik janma hai.


Question No.SM-34: Which title cannot be given to any bodily being, but can be given to Father Brahma?
Ans: The title of 'Shri', because a pure one is called 'Shri', i.e. Shreshtha (righteous/elevated). No embodied human being can be given this title because they take birth through unrighteousness. Father Brahma is called Shri becaue this is his alokik birth.

(taken from the revised Sakar Murli dated 17.07.07, published by the BKs in Hindi and translated by a PBK)

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Post by arjun » 02 Sep 2007

Prashna No.SM-35: Tum aastik bachchey hee kaun Silver Age shabd bol saktey ho?
Uttar: Bhagwaan hamara baap hai, yah aastik bachchey hee bol saktey hain kyonki unhey hee Baap ka parichay hai. Naastik toh jaantey hee nahee. Aastik bachchey hee kahengey - mera toh ek Baba doosra na koi.


Question No.SM-35: Which words can be uttered only by you theist (aastik) children?
Ans: God is our Father. Only the theist children can utter these words because only they know the Father. The atheists do not know at all. Only the theist children would say - One Baba and none else is mine.

(taken from the revised Sakar Murli dated 18.07.07, published by the BKs in Hindi and translated by a PBK)

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With such a long heirarchy in the Yagya from village level gitpapathshala to the headquarters (Madhuban), who could be treated as Seniors and with what level of experience or dharna?

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Post by arjun » 03 Sep 2007

Prashna No.SM-36: Aur sang tod ek sang jod.....is direction ko amal may kaun la sakta hai?
Uttar: Jinki buddhi may aim object clear hai. Tumhari aim object hai muktidhaam may jaaney kee, uskay liye shareer say bhi buddhiyog nikaalnaa padey. Talkie, movie say bhi parey silence may rahney ka abhyaas karo kyonki tumko silence athava nirvaan may jana hai.


Question No.SM-36: 'Breaking connections with others and establishing connection with one'....who can implement this direction?
Ans: Those, in whose intellect, the aim and objective is clear. Your aim and objective is to go to the abode of liberation (muktidhaam). For that we would have to detach the intellect from the body also. Practice to live in silence, beyond even talkie and movie because you have to reach a stage of silence or nirvaan (beyond words).

(taken from the revised Sakar Murli dated 19.07.07, published by the BKs in Hindi and translated by a PBK)

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Post by arjun » 04 Sep 2007

Prashna No.SM-37: Tumhari kis mehnat ko Baap hee jaantey hain? Baap nay us mehnat say chootney kee kaun see yukti bataai hai?
Uttar: Baap jaantey hain bachchon nay aadhakalpa Bhakti marg may dar-dar bhatak kar bahut thokrein khaai hain. Bahut mehnat kartey bhi praapti alpakaal kshanbhangur kee hui. Ekdam jungle may jaakar fans gaye. Vikaaron roopi daakuon nay loot liya. Ab Baap is mehnat say chootney kee yukti bataatey hain - bachchey sirf mujhey Yaad karo. Merey say hee sachchi sagaai karo, is behad kee sagaai may hee mazaa hai. Deh-abhimaan roopi badey daaku say bachney ke liye apney ko is deh say nyaari aatma samjho.


Question No.SM-37: Which labour/hardwork done by you is known only to the Father? What is the tact mentioned by the Father to become free from this labour?
Ans: The Father knows that children have stumbled a lot while wandering in the path of worship for half the Kalpa (i.e. for 2500 years). In spite of working very hard, one achieved temporary momentary attainments. One got completely entangled in the jungle. The dacoit-like vices looted. Now the Father tells the tact to become free from this labour - children remember only me. Get truly engaged only to me; there is pleasure only in this engagement in unlimted sense. In order to save oneself from the big dacoit-like body consciousness, consider yourself to be detached from this body.

(taken from the revised Sakar Murli dated 20.07.07, published by the BKs in Hindi and translated by a PBK)

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