Who is the God of Gita - Krishna, Ram or Shiva baba?

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Post by new knowledge » 31 Dec 2007

OK. But what is the difference between Krishna stage & Narayan stage of Brahma? Are these various intellectual stages?
  • * Is Krishna stage Mayavi part & is Narayan stage not Mayavi part of Brahma?
    * And what do you mean by Krishna-Jayantee? Is that Mayavi Krishna's Jayantee(in 1988-89)?
    * What is meant by Gita-Putra Krishna? Is Mayavi Krishna the creation (son) of Sachchee (true) Gita? In other words, is the aim of study of Gita Gyan to be Mayavi like Krishna? - If not, then why Krishna is described as Gita-Putra?
    * When he will become Narayan? In 2010? Or in 2036?

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Post by shivsena » 01 Jan 2008

new knowledge wrote:OK. But what is the difference between Krishna stage & Narayan stage of Brahma? Are these various intellectual stages? Is Krishna stage Mayavi part & is Narayan stage not Mayavi part of Brahma?
Krishna's mayavi stage is limited only to brahma ki raat; when brahma becomes Vishnu or Narayan then it is known as brahma ka din and the mayavi part ends.
* And what do you mean by Krishna-Jayantee? Is that Mayavi Krishna's Jayantee (in 1988-89)?
It is said in Murlis shiv-jayanti so Gita-jayanti so Krishna-jayanti; when the role of Maya ends then Ramshivbaba will be revealed to 108 rudramala souls and Sangamyugi Krishna will be revealed to vijaymala souls.

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Re: Who is the God of Gita - Krishna, Ram or Shiva Baba?

Post by prbrku » 26 May 2008

Hallo brothers,

In the Avyakt Vanis, it is said tha whatever BapDada had with him to give to children he gave and now there is nothing more left to be given. So whatever we have now as Knowledge could be the true Gita. Baba has also said that study is over, now is time for practical part. He also mentions of clarification of the Gita from the path of Bhakti according to the Godly knowledge.

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Re: Who is the God of Gita - Krishna, Ram or Shiva Baba?

Post by shivsena » 04 Jun 2008

Dear pbk brothers.

There is a small prayer in Bhakti which says:
Asato Maa Sadgamaya,
Tamaso Maa Jyotirgamaya,
Mrityu Maa Amritam Gamaya.

(meaning) Take me from Falsehood to ultimate Truth,
Take me from darkness to light,
Take me from mortality to immortality.

Has this small prayer been realised in practical anytime in past since God Shiva has come down to earth, or will this be realised in future, when Ramshivbaba is revealed as personified God in the near future???

Let each bk and pbk ask this to himself and let each realise the truth therein.

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Re: Points for churning

Post by shivsena » 30 Jul 2008

arjun wrote:Brahmakumar-Kumaris tell that Prajapita Brahma is in the Subtle Region since 1969. But Baba is telling that Prajapita Brahma is not in the Subtle Region but in the corporeal world. If Prajapita Brahma is in the corporeal world then where is he? In respect of the soul of Ram, the BKs say that it failed in the beginning of the Yagya. But Baba is telling that “The result at the end only proves useful.” So can’t it be possible that the soul of Ram makes more efforts than the soul of Krishna at a later stage and achieves a higher post than him, leading to Ram being praised as Maryadas Purushottam (highest among all in following the code of conduct) and Patit-Paavan (purifier of the sinful)?
Dear arjun Bhai.

I was just reading your explanation about 'prajapita' and ''Ram fail".

I fail to understand one thing : on one hand you are trying to say that Ram is prajapita who is present in the corporeal world and then you say that Ram (no 1 impure) becomes 'patit-pavan' and 'Maryadas purshottam' in the end by his effort; in Murlis it is said that ShivBaba is patit pavan bap and you say that Ram becomes patit-pavan bap (purifier of sinful) in the end. If Ram (no. 1 patit) becomes Patit-Pavan Bap through his rememberence of bindi ShivBaba, so how can he be both Prajapita and Patit-Pavan Bap at the same time ???

This ambiguity requires further clarification.

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Re: Points for churning

Post by arjun » 30 Jul 2008

shivsena wrote:I fail to understand one thing : on one hand you are trying to say that Ram is Prajapita who is present in the corporeal world and then you say that Ram(no 1 impure) becomes 'patit-pavan' and 'Maryadas purshottam' in the end by his effort; in Murlis it is said that ShivBaba is patit pavan bap and you say that Ram becomes patit-pavan bap(purifier of sinful) in the end; If Ram(no. 1 patit) becomes patit-pavan bap through his rememberence of bindi ShivBaba, so how can he be both Prajapita and pati-pavan bap at the same time ???
This ambiguity requires further clarification.
Dear brother,

Om Shanti. In the question posed to the BKs in connection with the Murli Point No.79,iIt has not been written that Ram becomes Patit Pavan (purifier of the sinful ones). It has been asked whether the soul of Ram (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) cannot make more efforts than the soul of Krishna (Dada Lekhraj) in the Confluence Age to be praised as Patit-Paavan in the path of worship from the Copper Age.

In the path of worship they do not differentiate between the incorporeal Ram and the corporeal Ram, but we know that it is the incorporeal Ram (Shiv) who becomes Patit-Paavan through the corporeal Ram. If the corporeal Ram himself was Patit-Paavan then he could have purified the humanity even before the arrival of Shiv. But he cannot perform this task of purification of souls until and unless the incorporeal Ram (Shiv) enters in him.

With regards,
OGS,
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Re: Points for churning

Post by shivsena » 16 Apr 2009

arjun wrote:
In the path of worship they do not differentiate between the incorporeal Ram and the corporeal Ram, but we know that it is the incorporeal Ram (Shiv) who becomes Patit-Paavan through the corporeal Ram. If the corporeal Ram himself was Patit-Paavan then he could have purified the humanity even before the arrival of Shiv. But he cannot perform this task of purification of souls until and unless the incorporeal Ram (Shiv) enters in him.Arjun
Ram's soul becomes patit-pavan bap only in the end when Ram=shiv, not when shiv enters Ram in 1969; so at present the role of patit-pavan bap is not going on in Advance Party and hence all PBKs are degrading;

BTW, is there any Murli which talks of incorporeal(nirakar) Ram entering in Sakar Ram!!!
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Re: Who is the God of Gita - Krishna, Ram or Shiva Baba?

Post by arjun » 28 Apr 2010

A hoarding put up by some PBKs in Mumbai making some important statements as directed in the Murlis.
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Mumbai Murli hoarding

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Re: Who is the God of Gita - Krishna, Ram or Shiva Baba?

Post by shivsena » 29 Apr 2010

PBKs call themselves as Gyan-marg and point towards BKs as Bhakti-marg.....now Gyan-margi PBKs are following the BKs ie trying to reveal God of Gita through hoardings and banners. (behad ka drama repeats itself)

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Re: Who is the God of Gita - Krishna, Ram or Shiva Baba?

Post by ak1972 » 30 May 2010

Om Shanti .

It is with out doubt Shiva-the supreme.

This fact has been vouched by the oldest scripture called the "Shiva RAHSYA".It is said that Shiva explained this to Sage Ribhu on Mt.Kailash (as per bhakthi),one has to churn the deep meanings in the Rahasya to arrive at logical conclusions. The word Gita has been derived from Ribhu's Song which forms part of the Shiva rahasya chapters.This is from Chapter 6.Ribhu then shared this Rahasya with one of his closest disciple Nidagha.

Shiva rahsya is much older than Gita as most of what is mentioned in Shiva Rahasya comes in Gita.

This book is not known to many & people who know, are very clear in their mind as to who is god & who can be the god of Gita.

You may find these links interesting to read, Churn & understand:

http://www.christinemoore.freeserve.co. ... ya_ch1.htm
http://www.sageramana.org/files/Essence ... 20Gita.pdf

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Who is God of Gita ?

Post by Abhimanyu » 26 Nov 2010

Note: This is for BKs who are interested in becoming PBK. Also this has been posted in Common Room.

Om Shanti,
BKs say that god of Gita is Shiv and not Krishna. On one side they show the picture of Shivling and on the other side they show the picture of baby Krishna and then they ask question who is god of Gita ? Well on one side they say that God of Gita is Shiv and on the other side they consider Dada Lekhraj alias Krishna to be the highest personality on this world in corporeal form. So aren't they proving Krishna(Dada Lekhraj) as the God of Gita in corporeal form.
Another point to be noted is that they say Shiv(point of light) is God of Gita. Well if a question is asked from them that how can a point of light give Gita knowledge ? They are unable to give answer to the question. A point of light cannot give Gita knowledge. For giving knowledge mouth is required. So if Krishna(Dada Lekhraj) is not God of Gita and neither point of light Shiv is God of Gita then who is God of Gita ?
Well the answer to the above question is that Shivling which have been depicted in the 2 pictures(one of Krishna and other of Shivling). In that picture ling is the remembrance of the corporeal one who inspite of having mouth, hands, legs and other organs dosn't have it. Meaning he is not aware of his organs because of the remembrance of point of light Shiv. So if he is not aware of organs then he becomes like a ling(which doesn't have organs). And that corporeal one is Shankar(who is always shown in remembrance in the pictures of Bhakti Marg). And the point of light that is shown in between the ling is the remembrance of Shiv. Who enters in Shankar in a permanent form and gives true Gita knowledge. That's why in Bhakti Marg, Shiv and Shankar have been considered to be the same. So the personality of Shankar(Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit) in whom Shiv is present in permanent form is the God of Gita. Also in Bhaktimarg Shankar is considered to be the highest deity among all deities. So that is the highest personality present in this world who becomes the fixed Chariot of Shiv.
So now it's up to the BKs to decide after churning the above point that who is God of Gita ? Either Krishna alias Dada Lekhraj or SHIV Shankar BHOLENATH.

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Re: Who is God of Gita ?

Post by shivsena » 26 Nov 2010

Abhimanyu wrote: So the personality of Shankar(Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit) in whom Shiv is present in permanent form is the God of Gita.
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Dear abhimanyu.

Welcome to the forum.

Can you quote one indisputable point from Murlis which convinced you that shiv is present in Baba Dixit or you are just repeating what has been told to you in advance knowledge.

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Re: Who is the God of Gita - Krishna, Ram or Shiva Baba?

Post by shivsena » 05 Jan 2011

To all pbk brothers.

Bhakti-marg Gita (supposed to be narrated at the end of Dwapur yug) by Lord Krishna and it was followed by Kaliyug. (girti kalaa of the world )

Advance knowledge ie Krishna ki Gita (narrated at the end of Dwapur yugi shooting in the year 1989-90) and followed by Kaliyugi shooting ( girti-kalaa of PBKs and BKs.)

Can the two events of the broad drama and behad ka drama be aptly compared !!!

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Re: Who is the God of Gita - Krishna, Ram or Shiva Baba?

Post by shivsena » 12 Mar 2011

Dear roy Bhai and pbk brothers.

Murli 1-4-90 says: "Gita ka bhagwan kaun, issme hi tumari vijay honi hai....tum poochte ho "Gita ka bhagwan shiv hai ya Krishna"....Ab vote do, Gita ka bhagwan kaun???....shiv ko vote dene wale ko kahenge preet-buddhi aur Krishna ko vote denewale ko kahenge vi-preet buddhi....yeh toh bahut bhari election hai."
[meaning: "Who is Gita sermoniser, this belief is going to lead you(108) to victory....you (108) ask: "Gita sermoniser.. is it Krishna or shiv (not shiv but personified shivshakti)....now vote :who is Gita sermoniser. !!....those who vote for shiv(no. 1 shivshakti--personified ShivBaba) will be preet-buddhi and those who vote for Krishna (baba Dixit) will be vi-preet buddhi.....this is a very big election."]

The above point is clearly spoken by emerging 108 souls and Shiv is telling them to prove that Gita-sermoniser is personified ShivBaba(no. 1 shivshakti) and not Krishna(baba dixit) and this will lead them to final victory.

BKs are trying to prove to the outside world that shivbindi is Gita sermoniser...while the PBKs are trying to prove to BKs that Chariot Baba Dixit is Gita-sermoniser and not Chariot Dada Lekhraj ...the fight between BKs and PBKs is between the chariots (both believe in bindi shiv)....but imo, the big election(fight) is going to be between the potential (108) and PBKs(16000) who will fight over whether no. 1 shivshakti(personified ShivBaba--Mama) is Gita sermoniser or baba Dixit(Krishna) is personified ShivBaba....and this will decide who will belong to sun-dynasty and moon-dynasty.

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Re: Who is the God of Gita - Krishna, Ram or Shiva Baba?

Post by arjun » 12 Mar 2011

The above member is free to interpret the above Murli quote in whichever way he likes.

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