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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by andrey » 22 Dec 2008

I would like to correct myself as whatever i had said is not correct.

in VCD606 at arround 13:00 min. it is said that part of teacher and guru goes together. It is not that when the sadguru part will begin then the teacher part will close. Both will go together..We will drink for as long as we live. For as long as we are alive to the bodyconciousness till then it will be needed to drink the water of knowledge.

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by andrey » 23 Dec 2008

from Murli 25-9-98

regarding Father,teacher, guru at different times.

"True Baba, true teacher, true guru, three are together. First surely one will be Father's child, then from the teacher status will be obtained."

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by shivsena » 25 Dec 2008

Dear arjun Bhai.

Many times it is mentioned in Murlis: "oonch teh oonch Bap" and "behad ka Bap".

Does it refer to nirakar bindishiv bap or does it refer to one soul who will attain the 100% nirakari-incorporeal stage (like shiv) in future ???
Can you please share your views.

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Post by arjun » 26 Dec 2008

Om Shanti.
'Oonch te oonch Baap' (the highest on high Father) refers to the soul of Prajapita, who is higher than the fathers of all other religions.

Behad ka Baap (the unlimited Father) refers to the incorporeal Supreme Father Shiv as well as the soul of Prajapita Brahma.
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'Oonch te oonch Baap' (the highest on high Father) refers to the soul of Prajapita, who is higher than the fathers of all other religions.
Dear arjun Bhai.

Advance knowledge teaches that soul of prajapita(Ram) is ''oonch teh oonch Bap'', but Murli dated 10-9-80 says that "Sabse onche te ooncha hai ShivBaba." [ is it refering to bindishiv or refering to the highest 100% nirakari stage of Ram's soul ie Ramshivbaba !!]

Also is there any Murli which says that Prajapita is higher than Fathers of all other religion or is it again advance knowledge teaching.

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by arjun » 29 Dec 2008

shivsena wrote:Advanced Knowledge teaches that soul of prajapita(Ram) is ''oonch teh oonch Bap'', but Murli dated 10-9-80 says that "Sabse onche te ooncha hai ShivBaba." [ is it refering to bindishiv or refering to the highest 100% nirakari stage of Ram's soul ie Ramshivbaba !!]
Prajapita becomes the highest Father when the Supreme Father Shiv enters in Him and gets revealed through him in the entire world.

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by shivsena » 30 Dec 2008

Dear arjun Bhai.

Just read an interesting Murli point:
Murli 24-9-97 says, "Manushya toh jo sunte hain sab satya satya karte rahete hain. Asatya baat ko bhi satya maan lete hain. Yeh sabhi asatya baatein hain, satya koi bhi nahin. Duniya mein blind faith hone ke karan, jisne jo sunaya sat-sat karte rahete hain; samajte kuch bhi nahin. Kisko kaho toh bigad padte hain."
(meaning: "Whatever humans hear, they keep on saying True True. Even the False things are considered as truth. These are all false talk, there is no truth in it. There is so much blind faith in the world that whatever is spoken is considered as truth; they do not understand anything. If you tell them, then they get irritated".]

The above Murli point of Shiva clearly refers to the behad ka Sangamyugi drama, where the BKs say sat-sat to anything that is told to them by nimit Dadis and Didis and PBKs say sat-sat to anything that is told to them by Baba Dixit in cds and cassettes(even though it is proved wrong by Shiva's Murli points). In both, bk and pbk world there is blind faith and whatever is told to them is accepted as truth, even though they do not understand anything. If potential 108 souls (who are doing deep study of Murlis) tell them openly, then they get irritated.

The above Murli point can be and will be interpretated differently by each group. The BKs will point to the outside world; the PBKs will point to the bk world and the potential 108 will point it to the behad ki bk and pbk duniya.
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Post by andrey » 30 Dec 2008

Dear brother shivsena,

In many posts you say Shiva refers, Shiva means this and that. The question remains in what way have you come to know this? Have you heard it from someone? We know from the Murli that the way ShivBaba teaches is directly speaking through a mouth. Just say which mouth you have heard it from, or has the Supreme Soul entered you and changed your mind to understand yourself. If it is not so then you could also express your ideas in conditional way like "i think", "it could be like this" etc. instead in definite way.

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by shivsena » 31 Dec 2008

Dear andrey Bhai.

Whenever any soul is expressing his views on the forum, then it goes without saying that he is interpreting the Murlis of Shiva as per his churning of what Shiva has said; (it is not necessary to say every time that "this is my interpretation of Shiva's Murlis' etc ). Shiva's explanation(sacchi Gita) will come only at the end of this behad ka drama in future.

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by andrey » 02 Jan 2009

Through which mouth will the True Gita come in future?

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Post by shivsena » 02 Jan 2009

Through which mouth will the True Gita come in future?
In future, sacchi Gita will be spoken by Ramshivbaba, when brahma(Krishna) ki raat ends. The Chariot will remain the same. The whole knowledge can be understood by one Murli point: "Bharat mein hi Ravan-rajya Bharat mein hi Ram-rajya."

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Post by andrey » 02 Jan 2009

If the Chariot will remain the same, and if at present you think whatever Gita is narrated, whatever knowledge is narrated is only lie over lie, and you don't listen to this at all, how will you come to know when it changes and becomes true Gita. Do you expect someone to call you and tell you, or will ShivBaba call you personally as one of the 108 to teach only you and only few others the art of Raja Yoga.

Please, don't feel offended. You have been in the knowledge since a long tome and have much experience. You have done a lot of service and may hold bitterness if this is underestimated. But whatever the position you may be now in its not to be put blame on any other one than you and your own acts, same is with the BK and PBK familly. Everything is due to the acts of the BKs and PBKs and least is to put blame on ShivBaba, Krishna soul. This is mere ignorance like in the path of Bhakti where they say that God give happiness and unhappiness both. Krishna may not be God and if you believe it is Krishna that speaks then it is said that ShivBaba is responsible.

You should not be concerned that there is downfall and sorrow in the BK and PBK world, before the end sorrow will rise eve more. It is natural BK world and PBK world and the outer world is world of sorrow where there is no happiness. It is good, because it is said that I come hell to give heaven. It is even harder to prove the gods worlk if there were no problems as he is not needed. It does not mean somewhere there is no heavenly happiness for some. It is said that the more we go into the stage of the self it means to go to heaven. If you are making predictions for the future or giving your own churning you should have to be able to face and tolerate any kind of problems that may arise out of this.

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by shivsena » 02 Jan 2009

andrey wrote: If you are making predictions for the future or giving your own churning you should have to be able to face and tolerate any kind of problems that may arise out of this.
Dear andrey Bhai.

I have said this before and i am repeating it again: each soul is responsible for his own actions arising out of his own interpretations of Murlis and in the end no one can blame anyone else but his own intellect for not having recognised the practical personified part of ShivBaba. (recognising bindishivbap is no big deal; everyone in bk and pbk family recognises bindishiv, who does not give any varsa) ; It is Ramshivbaba's(ALAF) incognito part, which is going to give varsa, that has to be recognised. If i have to tolerate anything for recognising Alaf-Ramshivbaba, then i am very much ready for it. I do not think i have mis-lead anyone away from the Chariot (as other break-away ex-pbk groups have been doing); so i have nothing to fear or worry about. It is the PBKs,(who believe that Ram is prajapita-Shankar-Bharat etc), may have to regret that they could not see the Ishwariya form of Maya, which mislead them away from Ramshivbaba-ALAF.(bestower of kingship)

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Post by andrey » 03 Jan 2009

You have recognized Ramshivbaba in the future, so you may be unconcerned. Whether you turn people away or not you can judge yourself. Whatever you speak may count, but whatever you do counts more. If you are not listening to the matters that arise from the mouth of the present Chariot and call it a lie, if it is not turning others away, what is it?

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by shivsena » 04 Jan 2009

If you are not listening to the matters that arise from the mouth of the present Chariot and call it a lie, if it is not turning others away, what is it?
It has never been explained in advance knowledge :"how Bharat becomes jhoot khand and how Bharat becomes sach khand"; if you can churn on this Murli point then you will yourself understand that whatever is coming out from the Chariot's mouth is nothing but lies; if it was the truth, then no one would have the courage to defy the TRUTH. I am just trying to make the PBKs aware of this simple fact but why such a simple logic is not understood by PBKs is what puzzles me.

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