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Re: pro publico bono

Post by arjun » 20 Dec 2010

shivsena wrote:Yes---Ram is an epitome of following Shrimat...but this Ram is not Baba Dixit, but it is Mama Saraswati, who is the real Ram (parampita paramatma---Shiva+shakti) and whom we have to follow at every step, to become avaykt farishtas(numberwar Shiv-shakti).
In the past, when PBKs used to say on this forum that we have to follow Brahma (Dada Lekhraj) in actions, shivsena Bhai used to say that how can we follow someone who is not alive now. And the same brother is now telling that we have to follow Mama (who left her body in 1965) at every step!!!!

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Re: pro publico bono

Post by ANU » 20 Dec 2010

arjun wrote:It is called double standard when someone does not practice what he preaches. In case of garlic, I have already said that I have heard Baba telling PBKs that they can use it as medicines. So, if he himself uses it as medicine, how can it be termed as a double standard?
It is called double standards when someone teaches the standards the others should follow and says that they don't apply to him :laugh:

What you heard about garlic was supposed to be Shankarmat or Krishnamat :cool: - some PBKs says so! However, I do not care, indeed. I do not like double standards. Let Baba eat garlic or not.

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Post by arjun » 21 Dec 2010

anu wrote:It is called double standards when someone teaches the standards the others should follow and says that they don't apply to him :laugh:

What you heard about garlic was supposed to be Shankarmat or Krishnamat :cool: - some PBKs says so! However, I do not care, indeed. I do not like double standards. Let Baba eat garlic or not.
Only a person who does not practice double standard himself has a right to laugh at others. But can a person whose double standards have been proved on this forum through his writings laugh at others????

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Post by pbkindiana » 21 Dec 2010

shivsena wrote:
yes---only those who follow the fairy Godmother (guardian angel) will fly in the air as angels(farishtas) , while the rest who follow deh-dhari gurus will not have the wings of knowledge and Yoga to fly.
How to fly in the air bodiless. Even in Bhakti, it is shown angels fly with their bodies. It is absurd for someone with a body to interact with a bodiless fairy godmother. It is no-where mentioned in SM or AV that we will follow a fairy Godmother just like the bees follow the queen bee. Even bees have corporeal forms. Even in fairy tales, fairies have corporeal bodies.

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Post by ANU » 21 Dec 2010

arjun wrote:Only a person who does not practice double standard himself has a right to laugh at others. But can a person whose double standards have been proved on this forum through his writings laugh at others????
Oh Arjuna! when you cannot find arguments, you start personal attacks and emotional arguing. :laugh: If by chance you are trying to prove something by pointing at people who laugh, please take into the concideration that they may not laugh at the others, as you try to impose (not for the first time), but they may be simply happy and have fun. :laugh:

For me this drama is a comedy worth of laughing. :laugh: Seriousness kills the spirit of creative thinking and freshness of the mind.

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Post by shivsena » 21 Dec 2010

pbkindiana wrote:
Even in fairy tales, fairies have corporeal bodies.
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For centuries, yogis in himalayas have been trying to fly with their corporeal bodies doing hatyoga for many decades, but no one has been successful.....science has also attempted the corporeal body to fly as a bird using artificial wings, but have not been successful.... BKs and PBKs have been trying hard for last 70 years to get rid of body-consciousness and fly with anth-vahak sharir(subtle body mentioned in Vanis), but to no avail ....Murlis and Vanis direct us to forget this physical body.....and you still want to fly with the corporeal body !!!!

Murlis and Vanis speak of "Deh" and "Dehi" and direct us to become "dehi-abhimani"(soul-conscious)....Deh is physical body and dehi is subtle body(of light and might) and we are not able to fly because of remembering our deh or another deh.....only the rememberence of Fairy Godmother(no. 1 shivshakti) who is waiting for her children in the subtle angelic regions can enable us to fly as angels-farishtas(as shown below).
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Post by pbkindiana » 23 Dec 2010

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For centuries, yogis in himalayas have been trying to fly with their corporeal bodies doing hatyoga for many decades, but no one has been successful.....science has also attempted the corporeal body to fly as a bird using artificial wings, but have not been successful.... BKs and PBKs have been trying hard for last 70 years to get rid of body-consciousness and fly with anth-vahak sharir(subtle body mentioned in Vanis), but to no avail ....Murlis and Vanis direct us to forget this physical body.....and you still want to fly with the corporeal body !!!!

Murlis and Vanis speak of "Deh" and "Dehi" and direct us to become "dehi-abhimani"(soul-conscious)....Deh is physical body and dehi is subtle body(of light and might) and we are not able to fly because of remembering our deh or another deh.....only the rememberence of Fairy Godmother(no. 1 shivshakti) who is waiting for her children in the subtle angelic regions can enable us to fly as angels-farishtas(as shown below)
How is it possible for the BKs and PBKs to get rid of body-consciousness when mother and Father have not get rid of their body-consciousness 100%. Brahma alias Krishna cannot do anything without a corporeal body and even Om Radhey ie according to you enters Gulzar Dadi and narrate AV. So it is clear that a soul cannot do anything without a body. What about S S Shiva, He too needs a body to narrrate SM as He has said that He needs a mouth organ to speak gyaan. And you continously posting your views that a bodiless Godmother will grant you gati - sadgati without corroborating your views with any SM quotes and A Vanis.

You had posted a unique phrase in the past which i like it very much ie. "if you point one finger at others, three fingers will point back at you" --- as you had always insisted fr members for SM or AV to support their views so can you kindly post at least a single SM quote saying that a bodiless Godmother will give the brahmin children inheritance or ShivBaba is a combination of Shiva + Ram + Om Radhey.

When even Shiva himself cannot do anything without a body, what can a human soul (Om Radhey) do, as it is all of us are in the degraded stage fr Ram to the last soul on earth. It is said in AK that angels' feet do not touch the ground as it denotes that their intellect is always in Gyan and they have disconnected their intellect fr the physical world.

As you are in the habit of running fr pillar to post, so naturally your mind cannot grasp simple knowledge when it is said to practise soul-consciousness, then it is to practise it whilst in the body. All the deities in the temples are a proof of it that they achieved their high stage whilst being in the body and to attain it, there should be someone who will be a bodily guru to guide us and not a bodiless guru.

This AV below proves that your views are entirely wrong.

AV. 5.2.09 ---"Angels mean those who are detached from the physical body, those who always have a body of light. Angels mean kings of the physical body."

Don't waste our time by posting your views without supporting it with SM or AV. In the past, you always insisted SM or AV to support our views, so this apply to you too.

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Re: pro publico bono

Post by shivsena » 23 Dec 2010

pbkindiana wrote:
AV. 5.2.09 ---"Angels mean those who are detached from the physical body, those who always have a body of light. Angels mean kings of the physical body."
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The above point clearly says that angels have a body of light and they are kings of the physical body (which means that they have conquered the bondage of physical body and can leave it at will to fly in the air with the subtle body --- in Hindi : "jab chahe sharir liya, jab chahe sharir chod diya").

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shivsena wrote:The above point clearly says that angels have a body of light and they are kings of the physical body (which means that they have conquered the bondage of physical body and can leave it at will to fly in the air with the subtle body --- in Hindi : "jab chahe sharir liya, jab chahe sharir chod diya").
But Om Radhey Mama has left her body permanently. There is no scope of her returning to her own body at will, while Baba is talking about living souls (jeevatma) who can leave their body (i.e. body consciousness) at will and not about those who have permanently left their bodies.

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Post by shivsena » 23 Dec 2010

arjun wrote: But Om Radhey Mama has left her body permanently. There is no scope of her returning to her own body at will, while Baba is talking about living souls (jeevatma) who can leave their body (i.e. body consciousness) at will and not about those who have permanently left their bodies.
The above argument was logically expected.
But if you read the first year Vanis, then there is a similar query asked and answered:

Vani says: "jo Bap ka kaam woh Bap ko karna hai, jo bacchon ka kaam woh bacchon ko saaje"
Another Vanis says: "Bap avaykt banaa hi iss liye, bacchon ki sthithi avaykt mein le jaane ke liye"....so if Mama had not become avaykt neither the Sakar Murlis would be narrated by through DL and neither the av. Vanis would have been delivered through Gulzar Dadi.

I will search for the exact quote and date from Vanis and let you know in a few days.
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Post by arjun » 23 Dec 2010

Vani says: "jo Bap ka kaam woh Bap ko karna hai, jo bacchon ka kaam woh bacchon ko saaje"
Another Vanis says: "Bap avaykt banaa hi iss liye, bacchon ki sthithi avaykt mein le jaane ke liye"....so if Mama had not become avaykt neither the Sakar Murlis would be narrated by through DL and neither the av. Vanis would have been delivered through Gulzar Dadi.
The Father need not leave his body to set an example before the children. An example is set in practical form while living in the body and not after leaving the body.

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Post by shivsena » 23 Dec 2010

arjun wrote:
The Father need not leave his body to set an example before the children. An example is set in practical form while living in the body and not after leaving the body.
Please read the first year's Vanis(if you really believe in them) and you will get an answer why Father became avaykt-vatanwasi and why children have to become avaykt farishta, while remaining in this very body.

It has been clearly said in Vanis that "duniya ke samne bacchon(108) ko pratyaksh honaa hai aur avaykt BapDada ko gupt rahena hai"....that is why in Bhakti-marg siddhi-vinayak ganesh(108) is worshipped before mat-pita (BapDada).(Mat-pita hamesha bacchon ko aage rakhte hain)

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Post by arjun » 24 Dec 2010

The above member is free to believe whomsoever he thinks as ShivBaba or BapDada.

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Post by shivsena » 24 Dec 2010

arjun wrote: But Om Radhey Mama has left her body permanently. There is no scope of her returning to her own body at will, while Baba is talking about living souls (jeevatma) who can leave their body (i.e. body consciousness) at will and not about those who have permanently left their bodies.
Mama Saraswati does not need her own body to give Gyan...she has attained karmatit stage and she can take control of any body...at present she controls the body of Dadi Gulzar while narrating av. Vanis to give subtle hints and directions to would-be 108 farishta souls to enable them to attain the karmatit stage.

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Post by shivsena » 24 Dec 2010

pbkindiana wrote: What a pity, to follow Shrimat at every step and to die of cancer.
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It's pitiful to think that Mama died of cancer....in fact she attained karmatit avaykt stage long before her body perished due to cancer....this can be vouched by those who were close to Mama during her end days...she appeared as a farishta to everybody long before she left her body... it's a pity that some souls cannot differentiate between attaining karmatit awastha and leaving the body ....and how the soul leaves after the sudden death of the body (like DL died suddenly of heart attack)....Mama did not die(the karmatit soul left her useless body)...while DL died of heart attack ( the soul had no option but to leave the body).

It has also been said in Murlis: "sharir sadte jaaenge aur atma powerful hoti jaaegi"[meaning: when the soul gets powerful then bodies will start decaying)...this was very much true in Mama's case.

It is logical that Mama's body decayed and died because of cancer, as she is chaitanya prakriti(live embodiment of mother Nature) and since her body (made of 5 elements) decayed of cancer, we see mother earth today decaying of various forms of cancer(pollution).

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