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Murli/Vani Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 21 Dec 2011

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Murli 15-12-2000 says: "Bhakti ko kaha hi jaata hai utarti kalaa ka marg...Gyan hai chadti kalaa ka marg....yeh samjane se tum daro mat....Bhal aise bhi hain jo inn baaton ko na samajne ke karan virodh karenge, shastravaad karnege...parantu tumko koi se shastravaad nahin karna hai...bolo shastra-ved-upanishad--jismani teerth adi karna, yeh sab hai Bhakti-marg."

[" Bhakti-marg is called the descending ladder while Gyan-marg is Ascending Ladder...you(108) should not be afraid to explain this(to PBKs)....there will be many(PBKs) who will not understand these things and so they will oppose you(108) and argue with you...but you(potential 108) should not argue with anyone (PBKs)...tell them(PBKs) that listening to clarifications of Murlis(AK cds and cassettes) and reading Advance Literature and going on bodily pilgrimage to Kampil (to meet deh-dhari guru) is all Bhakti-marg(shooting)."]

The above Murli point is describing the state of AIVV at present and there are clear directions to potential 108 souls, that do not argue with PBKs who are doing Bhakti of listening to cds/vcds and going on a bodily pilgrimage to meet their guru.

So keeping in mind the above directive, i have started to lock all threads in the ex-pbk forum and they are solely reserved for ex-PBKs only and not for arguing with PBKs....i have had enough of arguments in last 5 years and from now on, i will just be posting my views about Murli and Vani points and locking the posts...and if someone is inclined to have a further meaningful dialogue for the sake of understanding(not arguments), then he is free to contact me through private email and i will most certainly reply to his queries.....and all members are free to write their views and comments in the "Discussion-Debating forum".

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Re: Murli Directions.

Post by shivsena » 23 Dec 2011

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Murli 7-12-02 says: "तुम बच्चों को शंक-dwani करनी है . रात-दिन मंथन चलना चाहिए की कैसे किसको समझाएँ ...सारी दुनिया को बाप का परिचय देना है ... कितनी बड़ी कारोबार है."
"Tum bacchon ko shank-dwani karni hai. Raat-din manthan chalna chahiye ki kaise kisko samjaen...saari duniya ko Bap ka parichay dena hai...kitni badi karobar hai."

[" You (108) children have to blow the conch...Night and day you have to churn how to make others understand ...the whole (bk-pbk behad ka world) has to be given the introduction of Father shiv (combined with no. 1 shivshakti)...this is a very big business."]

The above Murli point clearly gives directions to potential 108 souls who have to blow the conch day/night and give the introduction of who is Father (no. 1 shivshakti--combined mother-Father) ...all the 3 worlds know about nirakar shiv, but they do not know who is the yatharth combined roop of shiv. (Mama)

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Re: Murli Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 28 Dec 2011

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Murli 23-6-99 says: " सन्यासी आदि को ज्ञान मिलता ही तब है जब विनाश का समय होता है ....यह ज्ञान उनके कलश में जल्दी नहीं आएगा . जब विनाश नज़दीक देखेंगे, तब आयेंगे और मानेंगे . उन्हों का पार्ट ही अंत में है ....वह समझते हैं यह गपोडे हैं . जैसे तुम भक्ति को गपोड़ा समजते हो वैसे वो फिर तुम्हारे ज्ञान को गपोडे समझते हैं . तुम्हारा झाड धीरे -धीरे बढता है . "
" Sanyasi adi (surrendered bk-pbk and followers) ko Gyan(shivshakti ka Gyan) milta hi tab hai jab vinash ka samay(behad ke drama ka anth) hota hai.....yeh Gyan(combined shivshakti ka Gyan) unke kalash(intellect) mein jaldi nahin aayega. jab vinash nazdeek dekhenge tab aayenge aur manenge. Unhon(BKs-PBKs) ka part hi anth mein hai....woh(BKs-PBKs) samajte hain yeh(shivshakti ka Gyan) gapode hain. Jaise tum(108) Bhakti ko gapoda samajte ho vaise woh(PBKs) phir tumhare Gyan ko gapode samajte hain.... tumhara(108 ka) jhaad dhire-dhire badta hai."

[Translation: Sanyasis etc(BKs-PBKs), will get this knowledge(of combined shivshakti) only when the end-time(of behad ka drama) comes...this knowledge(of shivshakti combined) will not register in their(bk-pbk) intellect so soon...only when the end-time of destruction(of behad ka drama) comes, they(PBKs) will come and accept...their(PBKs) part is only in the end....they(BKs-PBKs) think that all these are stories....just as you(108) think that Bhakti-marg(of bk-pbk) is stories, they also think that your Gyan(of shivshakti combined) is also imaginative stories....your(108) tree grows slowly."]

The above Murli point will be interpreted differently by BKs and PBKs...but i feel this is gyaneshwari adi-shakti Maa jagdamba Saraswati narrating this point exclusively to only her 108 children and describing how the behad ka sanyasis(BKs-PBKs) will come only in the end of the behad ka drama to understand the neo-knowledge about personified ShivBaba. (Father shiv combined with no. 1 adi-shakti Maa jagdamba Saraswati).

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Re: Murli/Vani Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 30 Dec 2011

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

Sharing an important Vani direction for potential 108.

Avaykt Vani 20-12-69 says: "सर्विस के प्रति बच्चे ही निमित हैं , ना की माँ-बाप ...वोह तो gupt रूप में हैं . सर्विस में मात-पिता backbone हैं और बच्चे सामने हैं . सर्विस के पार्ट में मात-पिता का पार्ट नहीं है ... इससमे बच्चे ही बाप का शो करेंगे ....ऐसा मेडल ड्रामा में कोई कोई बच्चों को मिलना है ."

"Service ke prati bacche hi nimit hain, naa ki Maa-bap...woh toh gupt roop mein hain. Service mein mat-pita backbone hain aur bacche samne hain. Service ke part mein mat-pita ka part nahin hai...issme bacche hi Bap ka show karenge.....aisa medal drama mein koi koi bacchon ko milna hai."

[ "meaning: Regarding service, the children are instrumental, not mother-Father (ie combined shivshakti)...they(combined mother-Father) are incognito. In service Mat-pita are backbone and children are in front. In service mat-pita(combined shivshakti) play no role....in service only children will make show of Father(mother combined)....such a medal is won only by very few children (ie.108 only).]

The above Vani point is self-explanatory and clarifies many aspects of Gyan.....it also clarifies that mat-pita (no. 1 shivshakti) both are combined and incognito backbone of only 108 children who have recognised them and who are destined to become avaykt farishtas in future.

Also it has to be churned as to who is speaking these points.
If avaykt Brahma is speaking, then to whom is he refering as gupt mat-pita who are backbone and which children are in front.

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Re: Murli/Vani Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 05 Jan 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

In Murli 23-12-05, Shiva says: " तुम salvation आर्मी हो ; तुम शुद्र मायावी mission के थे , अभी तुम ईश्वरीय mission के बने हो ".
" Tum salvation army ho; tum Shudra mayavi mission ke thei, abhi tum ishwariya mission ke bane ho."

(meaning : ''You(108) are salvation army; you(108) were of Shudra mayavi mission before, now you(108) are on Godly mission")

In the above point, Shiva is clearly describing 108 rudramala souls as salvation army, who first take Advanced Knowledge and do service of Godly Maya (as long as they do not recognise Godly Maya), but once they recognise Godly Maya by the study of Murlis and Vanis, and they identify Mama(no. 1 shivshakti) as the practical embodied form of God, then they are on Godly mission, revealing Mama-personified ShivBaba as God of Gita.

The above point also proves that in order to reach 108, all souls have to pass through the subtle river of poison of advance knowledge(vishay-vaitarni nadi) and cross it with the help of Murlis/Vanis.....there is no other way.

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Re: Murli/Vani Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 07 Jan 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

In Murli 11-8-05, Shiva says : "तुम बच्चों की लडाई है माया से , जिसका सिवाय Brahmin के और कोई को भी पता नहीं है ."
"Tum bacchon ki ladayee hai Maya se, jiska sivaya Brahmin ke aur koi ko bhi pataa nahin hai."
[ meaning : "You(108) children are having a fight with (Godly)Maya, who is not known to anybody, except (108)Brahmin souls")


In the above point, Shiva is clearly speaking to only 108 true Brahmin souls(shivshakti-pandavsena) who are going to recognise the personified Godly form of Maya and will fight Godly Maya with weapons of knowledge and will become mayajeet-jagatjeet.....the rest ie. 9 lakh BKs and 16000 PBKs will see Maya only as 5 vices and will never recognise the Godly Maya.

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Re: Murli/Vani Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 11 Jan 2012

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Avaykt Vani 6-12-69 says: "जितना बाप को प्रत्यक्ष करेंगे उतना खुद को प्रत्यक्ष करेंगे . बाप को प्रत्यक्ष करने से आप की प्रत्यक्षता बाप के साथ है ही ."
"jitna Bap ko pratyaksh karenge utna khud ko pratyaksh karenge. Bap ko pratyaksh karne se aap ki pratyakshataa Bap ke saath hai hi."

[" How much you reveal the Father (combined with mother ie no. 1 shivshakti), you (108) will reveal yourself (as shivshaktis). Revelation of Father(combined with mother ie. no 1 shivshakti) will reveal you(108 shivshaktis) as well. "]

The above Vani point clearly describes that those souls(108) who reveal the combined mat-pita(no. 1 shivshakti--Mama jagdamba) will automatically reveal themselves also as shivshaktis.

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Re: Murli/Vani Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 28 Jan 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

Sharing a very interesting Murli point below, which says that the whole behad ka world(BKs-PBKs) defame the Father (especially 108)by believing that shiv is bindi(omnipresent) ...but when 108 find out about no. 1 shivshakti (Mama jagdamba as combined mat-pita), then they become friends and reveal the mother-Father(as ardh-nari-ishwar) also.

साकार मुरली dated 07.07.09 says: “बाप खुद बैठ समझाते हैं, मनुष्य बाप की महिमा भी करते हैं और गाली भी देते हैं। वन्डर है, बाबा की ग्लानि कब से शुरू हुई? जब से रावण राज्य शुरू हुआ है। मुख्य ग्लानि की है जो ईश्वर को सर्वव्यापी कहा है, इसी से ही गिर पड़े हैं। अब सबसे जास्ती ग्लानि किसने की है? तुम बच्चों ने। अब फिर मित्र भी तुम बनते हो। यूँ तो ग्लानि सारी दुनिया करती है। उनमें भी नम्बरवन तुम हो, फिर तुम ही मित्र बनते हो। सबसे नज़दीक वाले मित्र हैं बच्चे। बेहद का बाप कहते हैं हमारी निंदा तुम बच्चों ने की है। ड्रामा कैसा बना हुआ है।“

[ “The Father Himself sits and explains – Human beings(9,16,108) glorify as well as abuse the Father(no. 1 shivshakti ie mat-pita combined). It is a wonder; since when did Baba’s defamation begin? It was ever since the kingdom of Ravan began(since 1976). The main defamation is that they called God omnipresent (by believing that shiv is bindi). They have experienced downfall through this only.(both bk-pbk have experienced downfall by this belief). Well who has defamed the most? It is you(108) children. Well, it is you(108) who become the friends as well. In a way the entire world(9,16,108) defames. Even among them(BKs-PBKs), you(108) are number one; then it is you(108) who become friends as well. The closest friends are the (108)chidren. The Father in an unlimited sense says – You(108) children have defamed me. Look, how the (behad ka)drama is.”]

The above point clearly explains that when 108 shivshaktis are passing through the bk-pbk family, then they defame the combined Father-mother by believing that they are omnipresent(shiv is bindi)...but when they(108) come to know that avaykt brahma is Mama(no. 1 shivshakti mat-pita combined), then they become friends and start revealing them to the bk-pbk world.

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Re: Murli/Vani Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 10 Feb 2012

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Murli 6-12-68 says: "18 रोज में कोई होशियार हो पड़ते हैं ....कोई 18 वर्ष में भी नहीं . सारा मदार बुद्धि पर है ."
"18 roj mein koi hoshiyaar ho padte hain..koi 18 varsh mein bhi nahin. Saraa madaar buddhi par hai."
[" In 18 days, some souls(108) become intelligent(and recognise no. 1 shivshakti-Mama)...but some cannot in 18 years also...the whole emphasis is on the intellect.(to recognise the goddess of intellect and goddess of knowledge Maa Saraswati.)]

The above point is directed towards potential 108, who will recognise personified ShivBaba-ALAF(Mama) and will understand the knowledge in 18 days(through churning of Murlis/Vanis) but those BKs-PBKs who just attend morning classes as a ritual and do not do their homework of churning the gems of knowledge will never understand the knowledge, as it is said in Murlis "apni ghot toh nasha chade"("churn the knowledge and enjoy bliss'')...without churning there is no understanding and without understanding there is no bliss.

The whole knowledge and Sangamyugi drama is such, that anyone can come in 108 irrespective of the time he comes in the knowledge...till the last few days, the seats are open and only those who have nischay in Mama as personified ShivBaba(ALAF) will get the status of 108 king souls. ("ALAF ko jaano toh badshahi tumari"..."Recognise ALAF and get your kingdom")

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Re: Murli/Vani Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 12 Feb 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

Sharing a Murli point from the original Murli of 16-7-67 which says:
" एक ही बात से तुमारा नाम बाला हो जाएगा ..रचिएता बाप का सबको पता पड़ जावेगा . फिर तुमारे पास बहुत आवेंगे . संयासिओं का आसन हिलेगा. "

[ " By only one thing (that no. 1 shivshakti-Mama is combined mat-pita), you (108 shivshaktis) will be well-known..Creator-Father Shiva (combined with Maa adi-shakti) will be known to everybody...then many (BKs-PBKs) will come to you( 108 shivshaktis)..the foundation of Sanyasis ( BKs-PBKs) will be shaken."]

In the above Murli point , Shiva is clearly emerging the 108 shivshaktis and talking to them, that by revealing only one thing (that Mama is no. 1 shivshakti--ALAF--combined mat-pita--ardh-nari-ishwar) you shivshaktis will become well-known and many BKs-PBKs will come to you to understand how Mama is combined mat-pita(personified ShivBaba) ....and also the foundation of (bk-pbk) sanyasis (those who have seperated Shiva and his adi-shakti) will be shaken strongly.

BKs feel that the outside world sanyasis will come to them to understand how bindi shiv is Father-creator.....while PBKs feel that bk sanyasis will come to them to understand how Baba Dixit is ShivBaba.....but imo. the above point is refering to the behad ka drama and behad ka sanyasis (BKs-PBKs) who are doing the shooting of nivritti-marg by seperating Father Shiva from his adi-shakti(Mama)

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Re: Murli/Vani Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 27 Feb 2012

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Murli 3-1-67 says: " गीता का भगवन कौन है यह भी तुम ब्राह्मणों को पता है और किसी को भी नहीं ."
" Gita ka Bhagwan kaun hai, yeh bhi tum(108) brahmano ko pataa hai aur kissi ko bhi nahin."
[" who is Gita sermoniser, is known only to you(108 true) brahmins and nobody else.(not even BKs-PBKs)."]

In the above original Murli point, Shiva is clearly emerging the future true brahmins(108 sikki-ladhe children) and telling them that the real Gita-sermoniser is known to only you(108) true brahmins(shivshaktis) who have recognised the no. 1 shivshakti as the Gita-ka Bhagwan....BKs preach that Gita-ka Bhagwan is nirakar bindi ShivBaba, while PBKs feel that deh-dhari Baba Dixit is Gita-ka-Bhagwan....but only 108 shivshaktis (true pravritti-marg brahmins) will believe and preach that it is no. 1 shivshakti, (who is combined mat-pita), who is the real secret ShivBaba. (Gita-sermoniser)

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Re: Murli/Vani Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 04 Mar 2012

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The Murli point below is specifically directed to 108 Gyani souls.

Murli 25-11-02 says: " ज्ञान की पहेलीँ पूँछ कर , सत्यता को सिद्ध करना है ."
" Gyan ki pahelian poonch kar, satyataa ko siddh karna hai."
[ "By asking questions, you(108) have to establish the truth."]

The above point clearly instructs the potential 108 Gyani souls to ask queries to establish the truth.

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Re: Murli/Vani Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 08 Mar 2012

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Murli 19-1-06 says: "तुम समजते हो हम ब्रह्मण ही रूहानी बाप को पहेचानते हैं . दुनिया में कोई भी मनुष्य मात्र , रूहानी बाप जिसको Godfather या परमपिता परमात्मा कहेते हैं , उनको जानते ही नहीं ."

"tum samajte ho hum brahmin hi ruhani bap ko pechante hain. Duniya mein koi bhi manushya matra, ruhani bap, jisko Godfather ya parampita paramatma kahete hain, unko jaante hi nahin hain."

[" Only you(108 true brahmins) understand, that we brahmins only recognise the spiritual Father(combined with mother). In the whole world of humans(BKs-PBKs), there is not a single soul who recognises(yatharth roop of) GodFather or parampita paramatma.]

In the Sangamyugi world, manushya (ie. BKs-PBKs) are just not aware of the combined form of Shiva with shakti, as they have seperated Shiva from his no. 1 shakti (nivritti-marg) ...and it is only 108 true shivshaktis--true brahmins who know the combined form of no.1 shivshakti(Mama) as God(ardh-nari-ishwar) ie parampita(shiv) paramatma(Mama jagdamba).

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Re: Murli/Vani Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 16 Mar 2012

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Murli 20-6-03 says: " विचार-सागर मंथन तुमको करना है ..right क्या है !!..wrong क्या है !!
" Vichar-sagar manthan tumko karna hai...right kya hai.!!....wrong kya hai.!!

[" You(108 shivshaktis) have to churn the knowledge...(and tell the bk-pbk world) what is right and what is wrong !!! "]

The above Murli point is emerging the 108 shivshaktis and telling them that you (108 king souls) have to churn the knowledge and tell the bk-pbk world, what is right and what is wrong....Father shiv does not do any churning and explain the Murlis....Shiva(through goddess of intellect Mama Saraswati) sets a riddle(exam paper) in the form of Sakar 3 1/2 year Murlis and it is the duty of 108 king souls to unravel the secret of who is the Creator(Mama ShivBaba) and who is the first creation (Krishna baccha) and give this message to BKs-PBKs, as khudayi-khidmatgaar.

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Re: Murli/Vani Directions for 108.

Post by shivsena » 20 Mar 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

Murli 14-11-2001 says: "वर्सा ब्राह्मणों को मिलता है , जो एक बाप के सिवाय कोई देहधारी को याद नहीं करते ."

"Varsa brahmano ko milta hai, jo ek Bap ke sivaya koi dehdhari ko Yaad nahin karte."

[" Inheritance is acquired by only (108) brahmins, who remember only the Father (mother Father no. 1 shivshakti combined) and not any dehdhari."]

The above Murli point clearly states that inheritance is given only to true brahmins(108 shivshaktis) who remember only mat-pita combined (no. 1 shivshakti--ardhnarishwar) and not any dehdhari. (Baba Dixit).

shivsena.

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