Season of white lies (Adv-gyan) from 1990 onwards.

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Season of white lies (Adv-gyan) from 1990 onwards.

Post by shivsena » 15 May 2011

To all pbk brothers.

Sharing a very important and a very revealing Vani point.

Av. Vani 10-1-94 says: "Season hai---jhoot sach siddh hone ka, aur jhoot satya se bhi spast aur aakarshan wala hoga....jhooti cheez kitni aakarshan wali hoti hai, usse aage sach ki value kum ho jaati hai.....real silver dekho aur white silver dekho--kya sunder lagta hai ??... real silver kaala ho jaaega aur white silver chamaktaa rahegaa...toh aakarshan white karega yaa real karegaa ???...toh season ko pehchano, Maya ke swaroop ko pehchano, ...ek hai janana aur doosra hai pehchanna.....phir yeh nahin kahena ki humne toh samjaa nahin, aisa bhi hotaa hai kya ??...yeh kya-kya nahin chalega....phir kya aur kyon koi nahin sunegaa....aise nahin, vaisa, yeh vakalat nahin chalegi.... judge bano, Maya ke vakil nahin bano.....acchi terha se samjaa ??... pandavon ne, shaktion ne samjaa, teachers ne samjaa??

[ " The season is about untruth being proved as truth, and untruth will appear more clear and attractive than truth.....the false thing is so attractive that even the real thing looses its value.....see real silver and white silver--which appears attractive ?....real silver will become black and white silver will keep on shining....so which will attract more ??-- real silver or white silver ??....so recognise the season(of untruth ie. AK) and recognise the form(ishwariya) of Maya....one is to know(in theory) and other is to recognise(in practical)....then do not say that we did not understand that such things can also happen....then this query and complaint of how-what-this-that will not be heard...."how this and how that" this argument will not be accepted.....become a judge and not the lawyer of Maya (ishwariya roop)....have you understood this well.....have the Pandavs, shaktis and teachers undertoood ?? "]

The above Vani point narrated in 1994 clearly describes the season of untruth which started in so-called Advance Party(from 1990 onwards) in the form of untruth(advance knowledge) and Mama(avaykt brahma) has clearly described AK as white silver (which looks like real knowledge), but is not real truth....this advance knowledge is presented as white lie (white silver) but to someone who does not have discrimination power, it will appear as real silver (truth) and such souls will start defending this untruth and present it as truth....So Mama(avaykt brahma) is warning such souls that do not become Maya's lawyer but become a judge (as to what is truth and untruth) and do not complain in the end, that how can Maya take a ishwariya roop and fool souls.

It would be worthwhile to note the interpretation of the above point by those PBKs who believe that DL(as avaykt brahma) is speaking the Vanis and also entering VD-Shankar.
Can pbk brothers please share their views about the above point

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Re: Season of white lies (AK) from 1990 onwards.

Post by shivsena » 15 May 2011

To all pbk brothers.

Sharing another important Vani point about how the subtle ishwariya Maya is working in the pbk family from 1990 onwards.

Av. Vani dated 10-1-94 says: "Maya ki sukhma royal samajdhari ki shakti apna karya teevra-gati se kar rahi hai aur karti rahegi....Maya ke ati-sukhma swaroop ko janene mein dhoka kha lete hain. Maya aisa royal roop rakhti jo wrong ko bhi right anubhav karati hai. Hai bilkul wrong, lekin buddhi ko aisa parivartit kar deti jo real samaj ko, mahsoostaa ki shakti ko gayab kar deti hai. jaise koi jadoo mantra karte hain naa, toh parvash ho jaate hain, aisi mahsoostaa shakti gayab karne ki royal Maya, real ko samajne nahin deti. Hogaa bilkul wrong lekin Maya ki chaya ke vashibhoot hone ke karan, wrong ko right samajte aur siddh karne me Maya ke supreme court ka vakil ban jaate. Toh vakil kya karte ??...jhoot ko sach siddh karne mein hoshiyaar hote....sach ko sach siddh karne mein bhi hote, lekin jhoot ko sach siddh karne mein hoshiyaar hote hain...dono mein hoshiyaar hote hain...isslie BapDada attention ko double underline karaa rahe hain.....mahsoostaa ki shakti ko parvartit karne ki sukhma swaroop ki Maya ki chaya se sadaa apne ko safe rakho, kyon ki visesh Maya ka swaroop, iss swaroop se apna karya kar raha hai..samjaa ? careful rahena.....mann mein negative bhav aur bhavna paida karne ka vishesh Maya ka prabhav chal rahaa hai, aur buddhi mein yartharth mahsoostaa ko samapt karne ka vishesh Maya ka karya chal rahaa."

[ "The subtle royal understanding of (ishwariya) Maya (ie advance knowledge) is working very fast (since 1990) and will keep on working (till the end of Kaliyugi shooting)...(PBKs ) get betrayed by the very subtle form of (ishwariya) Maya.....Maya adorns such a royal (ishwariya) form, that wrong (knowledge) appears right...It (AK) is absolutely wrong, but Maya changes the intellect to such an extent that one does not realise it....just as someone does black magic and controls the person, similarly the royal Maya dulls the realisation power(of PBKs) and does not allow them to understand the real truth....(AK) is totally wrong but being under the umbrella of Maya, (PBKs) understand wrong to be right and to prove it to others, they become the Maya's supreme lawyers...so what do the lawyers do??...they are experts in proving untruth as truth...lawyers are experts in both: proving truth as truth and also untruth as truth...that is why BapDada says to double underline the word ''attention''....keep yourself safe from the umbrella of subtle royal (ishwariya) Maya, who dulls and converts your realisation power....because this ishwariya form of Maya is now working in a very subtle form...understand??...be careful....the influence of (ishwariya) Maya is creating negative vibrations and emotions in the minds (of PBKs) and the Maya's work of dulling and ending the yartharth realisation is going on at the present time."]

In the above Vani, avaykt brahma(Mama) is clearly describing the ishwariya form of Maya working in a very subtle manner from 1990 onwards, to betray the PBKs and to dull their realisation power, by giving wrong advance knowledge in such a manner that it appears as truth...and many PBKs (who do not have discriminating power) start accepting untruth (AK) as truth and become Maya's supreme lawyers and propagate it to others...and so avaykt Mama is warning the PBKs to be very attentive and careful about this very subtle ishwariya form of Maya.

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Re: Season of white lies (AK) from 1990 onwards.

Post by button slammer » 15 May 2011

shivsena wrote:The above Vani point narrated in 1994 clearly describes the season of untruth which started in so-called Advance Party(from 1990 onwards) in the form of untruth(Advanced Knowledge) and Mama(avaykt Brahma) has clearly described AK as white silver (which looks like real knowledge), but is not real truth....this Advanced Knowledge is presented as white lie (white silver) but to someone who does not have discrimination power, it will appear as real silver (truth) and such souls will start defending this untruth and present it as truth....So Mama(avaykt Brahma) is warning such souls that do not become Maya's lawyer but become a judge (as to what is truth and untruth) and do not complain in the end, that how can Maya take a ishwariya roop and fool souls.
It is clear that 'Mama' is describing you. The soul has love for truth. If you spoke the truth souls would love you. Whoever the soul has love for recieves co-operation. Deities are co-operators. No-one is either loving your versions or co-operating with you. What does this say?
Now it is time for you to move to the splinter section.

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Re: Season of white lies (AK) from 1990 onwards.

Post by pbkindiana » 16 May 2011

shivsena wrote:
In the above Vani, avaykt Brahma(Mama)
As usual ridiculous speculation to refer Avyakt Brahma as Mama(Om Radhey) as Shiva has never entered her and she has never become Brahma in her lifetime as it is said in SM "Whoever I enter will be named as Brahma."
that how can Maya take a ishwariya roop and fool souls.
Yes, it is true Maya has fooled you and made you to run from pillar to post and tricked you into believing an imaginary fairy. You are so pathetic that you are unable to realize that Maya is making a fool out of you and you are so busy in finding faults with the PBKs.

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Re: Season of white lies (AK) from 1990 onwards.

Post by shivsena » 17 May 2011

pbkindiana wrote: As usual ridiculous speculation to refer Avyakt Brahma as Mama(Om Radhey) as Shiva has never entered her and she has never become Brahma in her lifetime as it is said in SM "Whoever I enter will be named as Brahma."
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Then why does baba dixit not call himself brahma (as he preaches that shiv has entered him after DL left his body in 1969)

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Re: Season of white lies (AK) from 1990 onwards.

Post by arjun » 17 May 2011

shivsena wrote:Then why does Baba dixit not call himself Brahma (as he preaches that Shiv has entered him after DL left his body in 1969)
We have answered your question umpteen number of times. First you tell us where is your no.1 shivshakti in practical? And whether she claims herself to be no.1 soul higher than Brahma Baba or is it just your imagination? Or is Om Radhey Mama speaking through your body? If she is no.1 soul she should have declared that when she was alive. Since she did not do that and you are the only person declaring her as no.1Shivshakti (personfied form of God) the only rational conclusion that we can draw is that Om Radhey Mama is speaking through your body. If not please tell us where she is in practical? Otherwise your above question does not hold any water.

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Post by mbbhat » 13 Aug 2012

Very good Murli points , indeed

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Post by shivsena » 13 Aug 2012

mbbhat wrote:Very good Murli points , indeed
Avaykt Vani points ...not Sakar Murli points.

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Post by mbbhat » 13 Aug 2012

Yes, but i do not feel difference between Murli and Vani.

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Post by shivsena » 13 Aug 2012

mbbhat wrote:Yes, but i do not feel difference between Murli and Vani.
There is a lot of difference between Murlis and Vanis.
Murlis are description of behad ka Sangamyugi drama and Vanis are directions for becoming avaykt karmatit Farishta.

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Post by mbbhat » 13 Aug 2012

Yes, that is right. I call them as Sakar Murli/Vani and Avyakt Murli/Vani.

what i meant is- for me, the word meaning of Murli and Vani are same.

For one, Sakar is prefixed, for the other, Avyakt.

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Re: Season of white lies (AK) from 1990 onwards.

Post by shivsena » 03 Dec 2014

Mu: 20-5-14: " शास्त्र हैं ही भक्ति मार्ग के लिए, न कि ज्ञान मार्ग के लिए | ज्ञान मार्ग का शास्त्र बनता ही नहीं "/
[" Scriptures(printed literature and audio visual aids) are for Bhakti-marg(BKs-PBKs) and not for Gyan-marg. There is no scripture for Gyan-marg"]

The above Murli clearly says that both BKWSU and Aivv are Bhakti-marg(half-truth and untruth) as they are distributing their Gyan in the form of scriptures(printed booklets and audio-visual aids)....in true Gyan-marg there are no scriptures.....true Gyan is transferred from one intellect to another by power of speech only.

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