mbbhat wrote:So- do you believe the Advance Party (of PBKs) is really ready ... does not that imply the Advance Party BapDada referring is not to AIVV souls, it is for others?
Sita raises an interesting question here ... when did the name and concept of the "Advance Party" start.sita wrote:I think the term Advance Party has come when Mama has left the body, or maybe earlier, i don't know, but when BK started to leave their bodies and the question was there, what is to happen with them, so the answer was that they have gone in advance. They are doing service.
For the BKs Advance Party refers to those souls having left their bodies.
I would like to know more about the history of this (not the different theories which I understand well enough), how and when did it first arise and so on?
I can add to our mutual understanding that in the West, the BKs suggest that many Western BKs are reborn Indian BKs and are part of the Advance Party. I, myself, was told that, but don't consider it seriously now, it seems to me just an encouragement laced with a bit of ego ... that young BKs, children even, could be elevated and experienced souls. I know other children who were brought up being told that and it made mental problems for them.
I understand most of you will take the suggest seriously, and I apologise for my skepticism, but I see the invention of the "Advance Party", as per the BKs, as a kind of fairy story to answer children's questions, e.g. "where has grandmother gone? Oh, she has gone to prepare heaven for you ...". In the beginning, they thought the world would end in WWII or 1950, no one had died, therefore they had no need for an Advance Party. They had no idea how heaven would come about and apparently thought only they ... between, say, 300 to 70 people ... would go to heaven.
The BKs' theory also raises all sorts of minor rational problems, e.g. did Om Radhe have 84 birth? If she took rebirth she would be about 46 now, therefore she will have to die again to be reborn with Lekhraj Kirpalani as Krishna ... and, by the knowledge, she should have been reborn as Radhe 12 years ago (approx). Why such a short life is she was karmateet? Therefore she must have had only 82 births at the time of Om Mandli etc etc etc.
But, let us start with the history and specific Murli points.