I haven't read every word yet, but i scanned through it and read some of if it quite thoroughly, to pick up the general tone and gist of what was being presented in it. It was very clear in its presentation of Dada Lekhraj's alleged behaviour; and although i do not defend this behaviour if what is reported is absolutely true; but i also am not shocked by it, or feel the need to defend it. Who knows how i may have behaved in a similar situation... the temptations must have been enormous! So i do not reject the claims made in the document as having no grounds at all; it's just that i would like to hear an honest account from some BKs who were there and witnessed these things, so that a complete picture of this situation can be created for everyone to see, and draw their own conclusions from. As it stands, we have the BK fairy story, and some powerful claims by disgruntled people of the Sindh community, whose lives were being turned upside down by Om Mandali. So as i say, although i cannot say their testimonies have no basis in truth; there is a vested interest in making Dada Lekhraj look bad, through either telling the truth, or possibly manipulating the truth to suit their own agenda... So distortion of the facts on their side, is not out of the question either.fluffy bunny wrote:I am sorry, it was not clear if you had read the lot or just quotes from it. There's a lot more material in there, don't you think?
That is an interesting point of view, and i can see why you have come to that conclusion. If what is being presented in these testimonies is absolutely accurate, there may indeed be some truth in what you say; because there is no way the behaviour reported in the document, would be allowed to continue in Indian society.fluffy bunny wrote:What I am getting from it all is how much the BKs have been indebted to 'external' influences for the evolution of their religion. I don't know about the PBK Sevak Ram story yet. We have no real idea yet about what influence he, Piyu and the other mediums had. Whereas the BKs have worked hard to establish the idea that all it all came from within them, e.g. the purity and morality etc, the impression I get from these original documents is that it largely came from outside. That is to say, they *had* to adopt the principles and become better in order to appease outside critics ... just as they still do.
Yes it does, if it is what he actually said. The truth is, it is clear that Dada Lekhraj and his followers believed he was God, and they were all getting visions that appeared to them to be saying this, although in reality they weren't. But because they were all convinced of this, Dada Lekhraj would have been in a very intoxicated and egotistical state of being, and one's ego and lustful sanskars, could easily lead one into doing some pretty "out there" things imo. So this is why i do not throw these allegations out completely, before i hopefully get to hear the truth from the BKs about this matter. If they corroborate these allegations, then we have the absolute truth at last.fluffy bunny wrote:In particularly, the representation of Lekhraj Kirpalani's critique on marriages and male-female relationships etc. It seems he was more for "free love" in the hippie sense of the word.
This is what the document presents to us, but nothing is as black and white as that imo. My feeling is that the truth lies somewhere in the middle in this.fluffy bunny wrote:Now, I am not a reactionary or conservative Hindu and so I am not shocked by the idea of free love and affection. I think India became a bit of a mess in this corner, particularly since the influence of the Victorian British. However, as a cause for the Bhaibund's reaction against him ... it is entirely the opposite to that claimed by the BKWSU. It was the Bhaibund who were being "pure" and moral, and Lekhraj Kirpalani who was being "impure" and immoral.
First of all, how many BKs are even interested at all in reading this. Most are Bhakti souls who worship the Dadis... they feel no need to question their gurus, or read documents presented by anti-BK parties. They will just see you and others like you as a lost souls trying to destroy their religion. However, it has been presented on facebook that somewhere around 200 souls have left the BKWSU as a result of this document. I cannot say that pleases me, but at least it is making some souls think about the authenticity of their spiritual leaders.fluffy bunny wrote:How many BKs do you think will ask, "could this all be true and how much else have we not been told/do we not know?". Or do you think they will just a) dismiss it as "anti-party", or b) just say as you do, "everything according to Drama" and accept it?
I think you have my opinion down slightly wrong though fluffy Bhai. I do believe in drama, and that it plays out accurately and identically every 5000 years... but i don't believe in passivity, as we do have the ability to think and analyse and form opinions, and make decisions based upon them. I made the decision to move away from my affiliation with the BKWSU, when i discovered the AIVV; but not without much thought and research. I don't say it was because drama willed it, i willed it... but i also believe i did exactly the same thing 5000 years ago, so these actions were predestined to become a reality. This is why ShivBaba has been able to talk about things going on in the Brahmin Yagya in the Sakar Murlis, years before they have actually occured... He can see the three aspects of time. When i speak about things coming out at the correct time, this is based on faith from my studies, and that everything has its time and place. But as i have also said - it still needs pro-active souls like yourself and the PBKs who are persuing the truth of this matter, to play their parts in this. The drama is about action and reaction; and so these actions have to be undertaken, in order to create the reaction, of the truth being revealed. But i do believe there is an innate law in life; that is, the Law of Karma, and the overall balance inherent in the drama; that the truth always emerges at some point... I have witnessed this in my own life, and feel that i am on pretty solid ground in believing this.
I can only speak for myself, but i find it fascinating. I also know there are PBK souls who have devoted themselves to find the full truth in this matter, for which they have my utmost respect and gratitude. The reason i say what i do about having faith in the truth emerging; is because i am aware of your own impatience with the BKs in this matter; and want to assure you, that i believe it will all come out in the wash; but at the time when it will have the most impact for all Brahmins.fluffy bunny wrote:I'll be honest with you ... given what is at stake for a believer, I deeply disappointed with BKs as a whole regarding this entire issue (by which I mean getting to documenting to the real story of the Yugya). I would have thought for a believer it was even more interesting and exciting than for a critic or a skeptic.
I am not sure how many BKs really care about this issue... they appear to be mostly under the control of the Dadis. I have revealed many Murli points to them on facebook, that state that their Dadis are human gurus, creating Ravanraj in this Confluence Age, who are leading them into degradation, and they don't even bat an eyelid. They are mainly worshippers, not thinkers. They don't pay any attention to the words of their own God, so why would they listen to others who claims their gurus are corrupt!?fluffy bunny wrote:The impression I am left with is that the majority of BKs are just takers prepared to let other people do all the work (and a minority are just manipulators keeping them entertained in order to live off them).