fluffy bunny wrote:You embarrass yourself ...
Really? Even then it is OK. No need to worry. Probably it would have made you happier. So- good only, is it not?
Now we have the evidence,
That is really good. I have already said you are great. No doubt about it.
How many BKs have come along and edited the Wikipedia writing 1876 like the BKWSU tells them? It just shows you why one cannot believe the BKs.
I do not know about that. I am not bothered about what BKs do. Because it is well known that only 108 pass even in BKs. So- nothing strange even if there is weakness or fault.
You have been sock puppet in Wike Pedia and have written in biased way against standards of Wiki Pedia. I have heard that you also have been banned there many times.
Until today, you and all the other BKs would have argued black and blue that Lekhraj Kirpalani was 60 in the year 1936,
This does not bother me at all even if he is not 60 in 1936. I have already said.
What a strange question ... I am not attracted to men in that way.
It is not a strange question. I just pointed that what is written there is far from truth. From the photo that of trance message in Karachi, it does not seem that he was handsome. But, the news paper cutting says so.
So- if the people during that period were saying so, then I just said- no data, even birth certificate need not be accurate.
Anyhow, even if LR is not 60 at 1936, it is immaterial. Because Murlis are puzzles. So- real truth is not dependent on the DOB of BBaba. It depends on whether ShivBaba entered first in him or someone else before. That is all.
Perhaps if we had a picture of him in his shorts bathing with the Kumaris we could tell how much of a hunk he was, or was not?
You may do research and try to get such things.
I was say he was just average ... but money and power makes even an ugly man very attractive to some kind of women.
Your own research/post about LR - the report of Chief Justice says he was not so.
FB wrote:A Chief Justice of India wrote:
The Bhai Bunds did business and were not greatly educated.
Dada Lekhraj felt he must do something for these unfortunate women. He founded Om Mandli and surrendered his wealth to the institution. Scores of women joined the Om Mandli and contributed their wealth to this institution. Dada Lekhraj preached the Bhagavad Gita and preformed Ras Lila with them. The Ras Lila became very popular. Dada's house became the headquarters of Om Mandli. Many women left their homes and resided there along with Dada Lekhraj's family. Dada Lekhraj, his wife and grown son and daughter lived in the same house, which indicated that Lekhraj could not have any immoral relations with the women living in that house. Soon many cases of kidnapping and abduction were filed against Lekhraj by the families of these women.
The magistrates in Hyderabad issued summons against him. Parmanand Kundanmal asked me to go to Hyderabad, meet Dada Lekhraj and appear for him in the cases. I went and stayed with Dada Lekhraj. I could have stayed in a hotel or in the house of Hiranand Kundanmal, but I wanted to meet Dada Lekhraj and see things for myself. Om Radhe, young unmarried woman was in charge of the organisation. She was a talented girl and I have seldom seen so much wisdom and virtue as I found in her.
My contacts with Dada Lekhraj were equaly profitable. His face indicated his character - a man like him could not be lecherous. His knowledge of the religion was not very deep - even his grasp of the Bhagvad Gita was not something that would impress many educated and intelligent men but he knew the basic teachings and could explain them to the uneducated Bania women.
And- if you criticize and defame, I have no problem, because more you criticize, more his value will become in the end.
Ask the question, "how many BK would have been attracted to the path if Lekhraj Kirpalani had been an ordinary man like Veerendra Dev Dixit, or a more strict man like the partner?" and you are asking the questions, "how many BK are just attracted to the path because of its apparent power and wealthy and the security it would give them today?*"
I am more attracted to a poor, ugly man who is sincere and truthful than a rich and powerful who flatters, lies and deceives*.
You had not understood the question at all, hence went on saying something else
I do not think - anyone becomes BK by seeing wealth in BKWSU.
Are you going to be so bold now?
I did not get you. What boldness? I say- my faith will not change. Even after failures of predictions of destruction, it has not mattered.
This matter (DOB matter) is much lesser significant
when compared to the above. Because age/DOB matter is related with just PBK theories (which is already counter attacked very well by mbbhat, as well as the splinter groups or ex PBKs more clearly), where as the failure in the prediction of destruction matters with the whole world.
Another point here is- Now- as DOB of LR is found as 15th Dec 1884. Now, PBKs claimed it to be 1886. So- they are also caught in mess. One of the pbk members) say, there could be error of two years. But, the difference is three years in full- 1884 Dec till 1987 Oct- there is almost 3 years difference from 100 years. [The milan from 1987 Oct
to 1988 March did not happen] So- their claim has a hole in the beginning itself. That is- even if it is 1886, as PBKs claim, it will become 101 years by Oct 1987, is it not? There is error of one year! How can they explain this?
Now, do you think there can be error in the DOB of 2/3 years?
If yes, why not error of 8 years? - (just for brain storming)OK, let us agree that it is an error of 2/3 years in DOB and PBKs are right and also 101 can be equated to 100.
Now, can PBKs explain other Murli points which clearly prove that ShivBaba had entered in BBaba when he left lowkik Gita, when he sacrificed his wealth, when he used to draw circles on wall? Why not name of Sevakram or some partner in British library documents?
So- they can just point fingers at BKs, agreed. But, they have not got a single evidence that ShivBaba is in AIVV.
Yes, I think it is.
I think there is more to it than just that but the main part is hypnosis.
However, you mean "mesmerism" in English ... the women were mesmerised by Lekhraj Kirpalani. That is slightly different. They did not have meditation like it is practised today.
You again did not understand my question.
My point was- if during olden days- hypnotism/mesmerism was the cause for attraction, as you have/had been saying, what is cause for attraction towards BKWSU today? even when LR is not present? [OK. let us agree all of your words. Now, after 1951, beggary part, there was no wealth and more than 80% of BKs had left. What was the cause for attraction then? ]
- This is why I say to you that sometimes yours is LLU.
So- my point was- sometimes you say- the cause was hypnotism, sometimes you say spirit, sometimes say wealth (Foolishness), sometimes, probably something else.
So- your argument loses value, your claims become almost nil. So- you seem to be or may get caught in your own mess
. This was the point I felt here.
But, you will win, so do not worry. Because you are interested in just truth, is it not? So- God will really guide you if you are honest.
* - I had already said this before- If Mr. Dixit had just pointed mistakes in BKWSU , and would have been sincere, I would have appreciated him. But, he interprets Murli points wrongly, claims God comes in him, claims that he is Krishna, Ram, ShivBaba, Supreme Soul, Narayan, Shankar, unable to rectify simplest of typing errors, blindly following them, and everyday criticizing others is a part of agenda in their daily
spiritual teachings. dependent on others for their teachings, even after pointing the errors His members are not ready to accept them, He does not say openly that he is prajapita, but his children say - he is Prajapita, ShivBaba, etc, etc ... You call this as sincerity? Is this your measuring standard? Great then!
Seems that you will embarrass yourself.
Let us wait as per drama or time.
Sorry, please excuse me if I have hurt you dear soul. What can I do? When you throw stones to a wall, they just rebound, is it not. So- if you cannot catch them, just leave/ignore them. You will be full be fully comfort.
[Actually I have to become water (sacrifice ego fully) instead of wall. So- please bear to some extent. ]