shivsena wrote:Murlis often say: "Brahma so Vishnu in one second and Vishnu so Brahma in 5000 years"...i have not understood this mahavakya.
Dada Lekhraj became Prajapita Brahma in 1937 when ShivBap incarnated in him...then in 1969, Lekhraj Kirpalani became avaykt karmatit Brahma...when is he going to become Vishnu in one second ??....also How does Vishnu (combination of 2 souls LN) become Brahma(one) in 5000 years and how does one soul Brahma become Vishnu(2-souls-LN) in one second??..this riddle has not been solved as yet.....please share your views.
Dear Shivsena Bhai... this riddle may not have been solved to your satisfaction, but for PBKs, Father Shiv has clarified the meaning of this version... Also, as someone who has studied the Murlis to some considerable extent, i find it interesting that you would state the old BK line, that Father Shiv entered Dada Lekhraj, in 1937... when all the evidence both in the Murlis and from other sources, points to the logical conclusion that this just wasn't the case.
Father Shiv through the true Prajapita Brahma(i.e. Virendra Dev Dixit ji)... has clarified that Brahma Baba Krishna becomes Vishnu, the instant he finally accepts that he is not the corporeal God of the Gita, and that Shiv Shankar Bholenath is. Vishnu is the complete form... the stage of being without vice or poison... and this reveals that until Brahma Baba comes to this realisation, he remains incomplete. Only when the child Krishna becomes complete, can the rest of us also become complete.
"The God of Gita is Shiva (who is revealed at the end in the practical form, of Shiv Shankar Bholenath), from whom we receive the inheritance of Heaven." [Mu 11.12.02]
"ShivBaba bestows the inheritance (of Heaven-Ramraj) to Brahmakumaris and Brahmakumars, through (the corporeal Father) Prajapita Brahma(aka Ram). ShivBaba creates the Brahmin race (or religion) through (the mother) Brahma(Baba Krishna)." [Mu 01.03.76]
"Supreme Soul Shiv through Prajapita(i.e. Virendra Dev Dixit ji), transforms the Night of Brahma into the Day of Brahma." [Mu 27.02.74]
"Now it's Brahma's night. So it is night for Brahma(Baba Krishna) also, is not it? Then, when he becomes Vishnu (at the end, when he finally accepts, that the God of the Gita in corporeal form, is Shiv Shankar Bholenath), it will be day." [Mu 15.10.77]
There are 5 souls that make up the role of the complete Vishnu at the end... and Brahma Baba Krishna is one of those 5 souls... he is not Vishnu alone, but he becomes complete(i.e. Vishnu) first of all... and so without him doing so, the 5 part role cannot come into being... Heaven on earth cannot be established in the Confluence Age itself, until Brahma becomes Vishnu... So the Gates of Heaven in reality, become opened only when the mother Brahma becomes complete... the New World is established through Brahma.
“Father (Shiv) alone establishes the pure family cult after coming down on earth. That is why four arms have been shown for Vishnu - Parvati(Sita) with Shankar(Ram), and Saraswati(Radhe) with Brahma(Krishna).” [Mu 23.01.90]
After this event it takes 5000 years before Vishnu(i.e. Dada Lekhraj Brahma) becomes Brahma again, in 1947... when Father Shiv once more, enters him at this time.
“The (directly narrated) Murlis have started since (the days of) Karachi (in 1947). Earlier, Baba did not narrate Murlis (directly to the children). He(Dada Lekhraj) used to get up at 2 o’clock in the night and write 10-15 pages. The Father(i.e. Shiv) used to dictate (to Dada Lekhraj Krishna, through the body of Prajapita aka Ram), then they(i.e. the two of them - Ram & Krishna) used to issue the copies (to the children of the Yagya).” [Mu 26.05.78]
Looked at in terms of the Confluence Age... Brahma(or the role of Brahma) emerges in the Yagya, in 1947, from the navel of Vishnu... i.e. the three souls that were present in 1936/7, when Father Shiv clarified the meaning of Dada Lekhraj's visions... and then later, Brahma and Mama also accept these clarifications(thus making up the 5 souls that play the role of the complete Vishnu at the end), when the soul who plays the role of Vishnu during the Confluence Age(i.e. choti Maa) explains them to him... It is she who is the true Gita Mata mentioned in the Murlis, through whom the child Krishna is born... and logically, it is she who becomes his practical mother(i.e. Sita aka Confluence Lakshmi), when she gives practical birth to him in the Golden Age, that begins, after 2036/7. But it is only Brahma's role that is revealed/recognised, no-one elses... and this is why Om Mandali, then becomes the BKIVV... So Brahma emerges from the navel of Vishnu at this time.
"When the Father (Shiv) comes (in the very beginning of the Confluence Age, in 1936/7), Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar are also required without fail (they have to be created in a practical, but incognito form). It is also said, "Trinity God Shiva speaks". Now He cannot speak through all three of them (at the same time, as that would prove omnipresence). These matters should be imbibed properly." [Mu 22.02.75]
"All three - Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar are born together." [Mu. 27.09.75]
“Actually, along with Shiva (the point form) the (practical) Trinity should also be present. You celebrate Trimurti Shivjayanti. Nothing will be proved if you celebrate just Shivjayanti.” [Mu 05.02.85]
“ShivBaba created the mother Gita(Sita). Krishna(Brahma Baba, then) took (spiritual) birth (through her directly). Radhe(Mama) and all others come along with them.” [Mu 14.12.93]
“The Father(Shiv+Prajapita aka Ram) gave (spiritual) birth (at the beginning of the Yagya, in 1936/7) to Krishna(Brahma Baba) through the Mother Gita(Sita aka choti Maa). Then they(Brahmins of the Confluence Age), have made Krishna(Pitashri Brahma Baba), the Husband of the Gita (by placing the name of Pitashri Brahma Baba Krishna, before ShivBaba, in the Sakar Murlis). In fact, Shiva is the Husband of the Gita. He gave (direct spiritual) birth to Krishna(Brahma Baba) through Gita(Mata aka Sita).” [Mu 14.12.93]
"(He - Ram) stayed (with Dada Lekhraj Brahma Baba in business) for 10 years... (and she - Sita) would go into trance. They would make even Mama(Om Radhe) and Baba(Brahma) perform the drill (of meditation)... They were sitting as heads... Baba(i.e. Father Shiv) gave directions (by) entering them. There was so much respect (for these souls)... even Mama(Om Radhe) and Baba(Brahma) were their students. They also are not here today. There wasn't that much knowledge at that time(i.e. the early years of the Yagya)." [Mu 25.07.67]
"The question arises that whether Ram-Sita come in Satyug? Yes, they do come. But they fail (in the very beginning of the Yagya - they both leave the Yagya after their physical deaths in 1941/2 & 1947 respectively). So they carry load(i.e. become the deity parents) in front of Lakshmi & Narayan(i.e. Radhe-Mama & Krishna Brahma Baba), who passed (in the beginning of the Yagya, because of the strong faith they aquired at this time). Radha & Krishna only become Lakshmi & Narayan. Ram-Sita(who are the Confluence Age Lakshmi-Narayan remembered on the path of Bhakti) become their best(i.e. first class) servant and maid servant(i.e. mother and Father, before passing on their respective titles to them once they become of age)." [Mu 07.06.76]
This is my present understanding of the subject.
N.B. the text in brackets are my interpretations based on the study of the teachings of the AIVV.
