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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

Post by shivachild » 03 Sep 2013

Roy wrote: "First and foremost Mama(Om Radhe) achieved the best position... she achieved the karmatit stage... ..." [Mu 09.05.66]
Dear Roy,
Yes, Mama is first and foremost.She achieved the karmatit stage in 1965.

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

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Shiv1976 wrote: This (Brahma) has also not become complete. Until he attains the Karmateet stage, I shall continue to teach. You will also continue to study and teach. "(26.6.75, pg.3)[/color]
Dear Shiv1976,
Thanks for adding relevant Murli points. It is mentioned in many Avyakt Vanis that Brahma-Lekhraj Kirpalani was Karmateet in 1969.

Av. Vani dated 02.02.1969 says,:"If everyone were to have been together, then the experience of Baba's karmateet stage, according to the drama, would have been something else. But it was destined to be like this, and this is why there were very few in front of Baba (at the final moment)."

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

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shivsena wrote:
Yeh sampoorna Brahma(Mama) ka raaj koto mei koi aur koi mei bhi koi hi jaan sakta hai....Mu: "jo iss raaj ko nahi jaanenge, woh naraaz ho jayenge".
Dear Shivsena,
As Mama-Jagdamba-Saraswati-Om Radhey is Complete Brahma, Meaning of Avyakt BapDada is as follows:
Avyakt Bap=Avyakt Brahma=Mama-Jagdamba-Saraswati-Om Radhey(No.1 Shivshakti)
Avyakt Dada=Avyakt Brahma-Lekhraj Kirpalani-Krishna

So, Avyakt BapDada = soul of Om Radhey(No. 1 Shivshakti)+soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani(Krishna)

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

Post by shivsena » 04 Sep 2013

shivachild wrote:
As Mama-Jagdamba-Saraswati-Om Radhey is Complete Brahma, Meaning of Avyakt BapDada is as follows:
Avyakt Bap=Avyakt Brahma=Mama-Jagdamba-Saraswati-Om Radhey(No.1 Shivshakti)
Avyakt Dada=Avyakt Brahma-Lekhraj Kirpalani-Krishna

So, Avyakt BapDada = soul of Om Radhey(No. 1 Shivshakti)+soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani(Krishna)
Yes---i too believe that adi-shakti(ShivBaba)+Lekhraj Kirpalani(Krishna) = avaykt BapDada.

BKs believe that bindi-shiv + Lekhraj Kirpalani-Krishna are avaykt BapDada.
PBKs believe that Ram-Virendra Dev Dixit + Krishna-Lekhraj Kirpalani are avaykt BapDada.

imo, These 3 beliefs are are going to seperate the souls into 9 lacs--16000--108.

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

Post by shivachild » 20 Oct 2013

Murli dated 20.03.2013 says,"To the sweetest, beloved, long-lost and now-found children, love, remembrance and good morning from the Mother, the Father, BapDada. You children understand the meaning of each word. First of all, there is the Mother and Father and then BapDada. The Mother and Father is the One who makes you into the masters of the heaven. Then these two are Bap and Dada. Then "Jagadamba" is said. These are very deep matters. This is the deepest riddle and, by understanding it, people can benefit a great deal. Then, He calls you long-lost and now-found. This is another riddle. He then says: The children who are the decoration of the Brahmin clan, the spinners of the discus of self-realisation. This too is a new riddle. Everything has a riddle within it. Achcha."

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

Post by shivsena » 21 Oct 2013

shivachild wrote:Murli dated 20.03.2013 says,"To the sweetest, beloved, long-lost and now-found children, love, remembrance and good morning from the Mother, the Father, BapDada. You children understand the meaning of each word. First of all, there is the Mother and Father and then BapDada. The Mother and Father is the One who makes you into the masters of the heaven. Then these two are Bap and Dada. Then "Jagadamba" is said. These are very deep matters. This is the deepest riddle and, by understanding it, people can benefit a great deal. Then, He calls you long-lost and now-found. This is another riddle. He then says: The children who are the decoration of the Brahmin clan, the spinners of the discus of self-realisation. This too is a new riddle. Everything has a riddle within it. Achcha."
Very good point…. shivachild Bhai……the above point proves many things.

First it proves that the Murlis are a bundle of riddles and it is not Father shiv (Ocean of knowledge) who is speaking the Murlis…..this riddle-game of 3 ½ year Murlis are spoken by goddess of intellect-Maa-Saraswati, to separate the Brahmins into 2 groups : “Hans and Bagule”..... it also a clear hint for the students not to take the literal meaning of Murli statements but to read the Murlis 7-8 times and churn and find out the truth themselves (“apni ghot toh nasha chade”)...... if there were no riddles in Murlis, then it would be difficult to label the students numberwise. (just as in lokik exam)....and finally it also proves that there is no need for a 2nd Chariot to give clarifications of Murlis (as per pbk belief).

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

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shivsena wrote: First it proves that the Murlis are a bundle of riddles and it is not Father Shiv (Ocean of knowledge) who is speaking the Murlis…..this riddle-game of 3 ½ year Murlis are spoken by goddess of intellect-Maa-Saraswati, to separate the Brahmins into 2 groups : “Hans and Bagule”...
Av. Vani dated 18.01.1980 says,"BapDada was telling them how there is the praise of the world purifier, the River Saraswati, as the incognito server. The rivers Ganges and Jamuna are famous in their physical form, but the river Saraswati has been shown in an incognito form. In the clearly revealed form there is the memorial of Saraswati holding the sitar, but there is also the incognito memorial in the incognito form of the incognito river. (Hindu mythology says that where the Gange and Jamuna rives meet, there is a third hidden river, the Saraswati). Both memorials are wonderful."

Dear Shivsena.....Saraswati,the world purifier, is the incognito server.

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

Post by shivachild » 08 Nov 2013

shivsena wrote:Yes---i too believe that adi-shakti(ShivBaba)+Lekhraj Kirpalani(Krishna) = avaykt BapDada.
Dear Shivsena,
Av. Vani dated 11.07.1974 says,"In practice, Bap and Dada are such constant companions that you cannot separate them, even if you wanted to: sometimes you experience the companionship of both to be so close that it is as though they are one."

As per above Murli point, Om-Radhey-Mama and Dada Lekhraj Kirpalani are close companion.This companionship will be in the form of Lakshmi-Narayan in the Golden Age. I also think that this companionship should also be seen in the Confluence Age (in Avyakt form). They are so close that they are one.

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

Post by shivachild » 18 Dec 2013

shivsena wrote:Yes---i too believe that adi-shakti(ShivBaba)+Lekhraj Kirpalani(Krishna) = avaykt BapDada.

BKs believe that bindi-shiv + Lekhraj Kirpalani-Krishna are avaykt BapDada.
PBKs believe that Ram-Virendra Dev Dixit + Krishna-Lekhraj Kirpalani are avaykt BapDada.

imo, These 3 beliefs are are going to seperate the souls into 9 lacs--16000--108.

Murli dated 18.12.2013 says,"Whatever is Mama's praise is praise of the Father and also of the Grandfather(or Big brother)."
BAPDADA TRAINGLE-SHIV-MAMA-DLR.png
PRAISE OF SHIV=PRAISE OF Mama=PRAISE OF Dada

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

Post by shivachild » 05 Apr 2014

shivachild wrote:Murli dated 20.03.2013 says,Everything has a riddle within it. Achcha."
shivsena wrote:it also a clear hint for the students not to take the literal meaning of Murli statements but to read the Murlis 7-8 times and churn and find out the truth themselves (“apni ghot toh nasha chade”)... if there were no riddles in Murlis, then it would be difficult to label the students numberwise. (just as in lokik exam)...


Also, Murli dated 05.04.2014 says,"The Father says: Manrnanabhav! In fact, this study is that of just a signal. Achcha.

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

Post by shivsena » 06 Apr 2014

shivachild wrote: Also, Murli dated 05.04.2014 says,"The Father says: Manrnanabhav! In fact, this study is that of just a signal. Achcha.
Dear Bhai.

Mu:5-4-14 also says in last line :" Vastav mei yeh padayee(bk-Gyan)ishaare ki hai.'( "The whole study is based on hints")
Murli ki saari padayee Maa-Saraswati ke ishaare hai, jisse koi birla hi samjegaa.

The above point also proves that there is no need for Shiva to take any other Chariot and give explanation of the hints given in Murlis (as believed by PBKs)....this exam paper Murli is for each student to solve who is ALAF and get his inheritance numberwise.

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

Post by shivachild » 14 Apr 2014

Relevant point from Murli dated 14.04.2014,"Only when the incorporeal Father comes into the corporeal can He teach. The Father has now entered this one. Together we are BapDada. The souls of both are in the centre of this forehead. When you say "BapDada" there must definitely be both souls: Shiv Baba and the Brahma soul.

As per this Murli point: BapDada = ShivBaba + Brahma

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

Post by shivachild » 27 Apr 2014

shivachild wrote:As per this Murli point: BapDada = ShivBaba + Brahma
Av. Vani dated 25.06.1977 sayas,"So, do you have love for both Fathers? To be equal to the Father (Bap) means to become stable in the soul's form of light , and to become equal to Dada means to become an angel.
To become equal to the Father means to become double light.Do you have both types of light? One is in the corporeal form and the other is in the incorporeal form. You are equal in both, are you not? If you become equal, you become powerful and victorious. If you are not equal, you will fluctuate between being sometimes victorious and sometimes defeated."

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

Post by shivachild » 29 Apr 2014

shivachild wrote:Father (Bap) means to become stable in the soul's form of light , and to become equal to Dada means to become an angel.
Murli dated 29.04.2014 says,"Who creates the human world? The name Prajapita Brahma is mentioned. This one is corporeal and the other One is incorporeal. That One is eternal. This one would also be called eternal. The names of both of them are the highest. That One is the spiritual Father and this one is Prajapita (the Father of the People). Both of them sit here and teach you."

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Re: Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

Post by shivachild » 16 May 2014

Murli dated 15.05.2014 says,"The Father(Bap) says, "Om Shanti" and Dada too says, "Om Shanti". That One says, "I am the Supreme Soul", and this one says, "I am a soul."

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