Brahma is incomplete form, of the Confluence Age, a mature body, then there is a change so he becomes Vishnu, a deity form, but the body is the same.
Baba clearly says, Prajapita Brahma is incomplete, effort maker; and Adi Dev (subtle Brahma) is pure, with just subtle body.
DL cannot be, or cannot be considered to be, Prajapita Brahma, prior entry of ShivBaba. On entry of ShivBhaba into the MATURE corporeal body of DL, he is FIRST ADOPTED by ShivBaba through VERY OWN lotus mouth of DL himself, who then becomes Prajapita BRAHMA and also the VERY FIRST Brahmin, through whose lotus mouth other Brahmins get adopted or re-created - NUMBERWISE!
In this sense, ShivBaba is the Creator (Generator), mostly towards the beginning of Confluence Age.
A thought may also go like this:-
On first entry of ShivBaba into DL, his PHYSICAL body is mature, but his SPIRITUAL or subtle body is in a state of 'spiritual infancy' en route to full spiritual maturity. When his spiritual or subtle body ALSO becomes FULLY MATURE, i.e. when he achieves his 'karmateet avastha' or COMPLETE ANGELIC stage in 1969, he becomes completely COMBINED with ShivBaba, and therefore becomes Vishnu in one second, and this combination is addressed as BapDada, who continue to sustain the Brahmin Family after 1969, through this subtle form of Vishnu, using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar!
In this sense, Brahma Baba also becomes powerful sustainer (Operator), along with ShivBaba, mostly in the middle of Confluence Age (from 1969).
When DL becomes the VERY FIRST PURE DEITY SOUL, his spiritual or subtle body is the VERY SAME, and therefore becomes a DEITY with a PURE PHYSICAL BODY, also in one second!
If Brahma becomes Vishnu in one second,
But, the 'second' need not mean here in absolutely literal sense. It can mean very short period. But, it can also mean that Brahma FEELS
about becoming Vishnu (property) in a second (as soon as he gets a vision & gyaan). But for Vishnu to become Brahma it takes a long period (nearly 5000 yrs).
So the physical mother of Krishna must be a deity so to give birth to a deity. If there is some deity before Krishna, it means he is not the first one. There are no other deities before their parents, because they used to be Brahmins.
Although Krishna should get birth from a pure embodied soul or deity, lots of Murli points clearly say - parents of first prince of Satyug, Krishna, have a lesser status and are less clever than Krishna himself.
Krishna got birth in home of a great King, who is impure
(prior entry of Krishna) - Post No. 114 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... eth#p12434
For Krishna it is said he is the first leaf, but before the leaf it is the seed.
Baba has said leaf stands for Bharat. That is, deity Kingdom would be in just a small place in Bharat. So, nature is necessary for the soul to come. That is the platform on which the actor soul of Krishna and the other deities play.
BKWSU SM, Revised 25.07.2015 wrote: निश्चय बुद्धि जो होंगे उनको जोर से कशिश होगी आगे चलकर। अभी इतनी कशिश कोई को होती नहीं है, क्योंकि याद नहीं करते हैं।
Those whose intellects have faith will feel a strong pull as they make further progress. As yet, none of you has that much pull, because you don’t stay in (ACCURATE) remembrance.
The subject of the Spiritual Seed, Spiritual (first) Leaf & Spiritual Tree is rather too subtle, to be expressed in words, and can only be EXPERIENCED by souls who stay in ACCURATE remembrance of ShivBaba at Amrit Vela - again NUMBERWISE, according to effort and respective roles in the Cycle.
An analogy may be used with the Egg (Seed - Womb), Chicken (Leaf - Child) & Hen (Tree - Adult body).
"Which came first, the Egg or the Hen?" is very renowned in the outer world! If the Chicken has to be Pure, the Chicken has to emerge from a Pure Egg, then what about the Hen who produced the Pure Egg?
And who/which can be considered to be FIRST or the HIGHEST, the Egg which produces the Hen or the Hen which produces the Egg in the first place?
A gross intellect cannot
grasp these subtle aspects, until the intellect also becomes subtle
with ACCURATE remembrance of ShivBaba.