यदि कन्या पवित्र है, तो पवित्र बनने का पुरुषार्थ क्यों?

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यदि कन्या पवित्र है, तो पवित्र बनने का पुरुषार्थ क्यों?

Post by khemkaran » 19 Sep 2015

IF A VIRGIN GIRL IS PURE, THEN WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO MAKE EFFORT TO BECOME PURE?

सा. मु. 19.09.2015 (पृ. 2)
''अभी तुम जानते हो कन्या पवित्र है और अधर कन्या उनको कहा जाता है जो अपवित्र बनने के बाद फिर पवित्र बनती है। ''

यदि कन्या पवित्र है, तो पवित्र बनने का पुरुषार्थ क्यों?
कृपया अपने विचार जरूर दें।

SM 19.09.2015 (pg. 2)
"Now you know that a (complete) virgin (unmarried as well as chaste/celibate youthful lady) is pure, while a half-virgin is said to be one who becomes pure (observes celibacy/chastity) after becoming impure (after having indulged in physical sexual relations)."

If a virgin girl is pure, why make effort to become pure?
Please, do share your views.

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Re: यदि कन्या पवित्र है, तो पवित्र बनने का पुरुषार्थ क्यों?

Post by sita » 19 Sep 2015

khemkaran wrote:सा. मु. 19.09.2015 (पृ. 2)
''अभी तुम जानते हो कन्या पवित्र है और अधर कन्या उनको कहा जाता है जो अपवित्र बनने के बाद फिर पवित्र बनती है। ''

यदि कन्या पवित्र है, तो पवित्र बनने का पुरुषार्थ क्यों?
कृपया अपने विचार जरूर दें।

SM 19.09.2015 (pg. 2)
"Now you know that a (complete) virgin (unmarried as well as chaste/celibate youthful lady) is pure, while a half-virgin is said to be one who becomes pure (observes celibacy/chastity) after becoming impure (after having indulged in physical sexual relations)."

If a virgin girl is pure, why make effort to become pure?
Please, do share your views.
Kanya pavitr hoti hai kyonki vah ees janam mey apavitr nahi bani, lekin kanya ki matlab nahi hai ki vah atma-abhimani ho gai. Atma abhimani banne ke liye purushart karna hota he. Anek janmon ka papon ka bhoja unki sir par bhi hai, jo sirf Yaad se basm karna hota hai. Unki sharir bhi apavitr hoti hai, vikar se paida hua hoti hai.

Kanya pavitr hoti hai, to unki pavitrata ki raksha karne ki zimmevari kisko uthana padega. Agar vah unki lokik sambhandion ke under hi reh gai, to veh unki shadi karne ka bhi mazburat bhi kar sakte he. Nahi bhi kare, phir bhi saadharn kumari reh jati hai. Jab vo Prajapita Brahma Kumari ban jati hai, tab bataya ki mai kumari ko mata banata hu, kyonki sari manvi atmaon ka jo bap he, unki banne se vo sari dunya ka mata jaisi ban jati hai, shivshakti ban jati hai.

Ek aur bat hai ki sanskar milne ka unki purushart kaise bane. Ye pravritti marg hai. To unki pravritti kaise ho sakti hai. Unki pravritti tab hi ho sakti hai jab ShivBaba ki ban jati hai.

Jaise bataya ki hame vatavarn ko pavirt banana hai. Vo keise banae jab koi pavitr nahi bana, pavitr vatavarn kahan se aye. Iski matlab hai ki pavitrata ki purusharth kare. Kumari sharir se pavitr hoti hai, lekin atma ki pavitrata, man ki pavitrata unki bhi honi chahie jis kelie purusharth karna hota hai.

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A virgin is pure, because she did not become impure in this birth (did not have physical sexual relationship), but the meaning of a virgin is not that she has become soul-conscious. Effort is to be made to become soul-conscious. The burden of sins of many births is there on her head which is to be burnt by 'Yaad' only. Her body is also impure, it is created through vice.

A virgin is pure(chaste), but who is to take the responsibility over safeguarding her purity(chastity). If she remains in her lokik family, they can also force her to marry. Even if they don't, even then she remains just an ordinary virgin girl. When she becomes Prajapita Brahma Kumari, then it is said that I make the kumari into a mother, because by belonging to the Father of all people she becomes as if a mother of the whole world, she becomes a shivshakti.

One more aspect is that how will making the effort to harmonise the sanskars become possible for her. This is the family path, so how can she also be part of a family. She can have a family when she belongs to ShivBaba.

Just as it is said that we have to purify the atmosphere. How can we do that when no one has become pure, from where will a pure atmosphere come. It means to make effort for purity. A virgin girl is pure with her body, but her soul, her mind should also be pure, for which effort has to be made.

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Re: यदि कन्या पवित्र है, तो पवित्र बनने का पुरुषार्थ क्यों?

Post by khemkaran » 20 Sep 2015

Om Shanti Sita,

Thanks for your reply.

This knowledge comes from BKs/PBKs. Practically, can any person understand difference between pure virgin girl and impure half-virgin girl, or pure Brahmakumari and impure Brahmakumari?

If any person says that he/she is kumar/kumari, BK/PBKs knowledge implies that person is pure.
Whether that person is telling a lie or speaking the truth, how can one understand?

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Re: यदि कन्या पवित्र है, तो पवित्र बनने का पुरुषार्थ क्यों?

Post by sita » 20 Sep 2015

The difference is whether someone is pure by birth (balbrahmachari) i.e. he/she has not gone into the vice of sex-lust. For a girl (normally/generally) it can be known, but not for a boy.

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Re: यदि कन्या पवित्र है, तो पवित्र बनने का पुरुषार्थ क्यों?

Post by arjun » 20 Sep 2015

khemkaran wrote:If any person says that he/she is Kumar/Kumari, BK/PBKs knowledge implies that person is pure.
It is not necessary that if someone is unmarried then (s)he is pure by default. Despite being a Kumari/Kumar, one could have had sexual relationship with someone stealthily. And even if someone has not indulged in lustful activity with someone else, there is possibility that (s)he had impure thoughts, impure vision, spoke impure words and indulged in lustful activity in solitude.

Real purity is possible only when one considers herself/himself to be a soul and remembers the Supreme Soul alone (through His corporeal Chariot), i.e. one Baba and none else.

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Re: यदि कन्या पवित्र है, तो पवित्र बनने का पुरुषार्थ क्यों?

Post by khemkaran » 23 Sep 2015

यदि कन्या पवित्र है तो परमपिता परमात्मा पवित्र कन्याओं का उद्घार क्यों करेगा? क्योंकि परमात्मा तो पतितों का उद्घार करने आता है अर्थात् पतितों के लिए आता है न कि पवित्र के लिए?

If a (complete) virgin girl is pure, then why would the Supreme Father Supreme Soul need to elevate/purify pure virgins? Because the Supreme Soul comes in order to elevate/purify the impure ones, meaning, He comes for the sake of the impure and not for the sake of the pure?

Give us right/proper/accurate explanation with your spiritual knowledge & experience.

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Re: यदि कन्या पवित्र है, तो पवित्र बनने का पुरुषार्थ क्यों?

Post by mbbhat » 23 Sep 2015

Supreme Father Supreme Soul is needed to elevate/purify 'pure' virgins ALSO, in order to ELEVATE them from 'limited purity' to UNLIMITED PURITY.

SM 15-6-85(1):- Baba humko behad ka varsaa dete hain behad pavitr banaakar. PAVITRATA MAY HADH AUR BEHADH HAI. Tum purushaarth karte ho behadh pavitr satopradhaan ban_ne ke liye. Numberwaar toh hote hee hain. BEHADH PAVITR ARTHAATH SIVAAYE EK BEHADH BAAP KE AUR KOYI Yaad NA AAYE. Vah Baba bahut meethaa hai. Oonch te oonch bhagavaan hai aur behadh kaa Baap hai. -87- [Purity, Yaad]

= "Baba 'GIFTS' us unlimited INHERITANCE by making us INFINITELY PURE. There is 'limited' and 'unlimited' in purity. You make efforts to become INFINITELY & ABSOLUTELY PURE ('satopradhan').
Of course, you are number-wise. Unlimited or INFINITE Purity means NO ONE ELSE should be remembered OTHER THAN ONE UNLIMITED Father. That Baba is EXTREMELY SWEET. The HIGHEST on HIGH God is the UNLIMITED Father."

A (complete) virgin girl of this world is only CONSIDERED to be 'pure' (RELATIVE purity) by impure, body-conscious embodied souls; WHEREAS, NEITHER the ELEMENTAL composition of her corporeal vehicle (or GROSS sense organs - 'karmindriyan') NOR the spiritual composition of her mind, intellect and 'sanskars' or proclivities (or SUBTLE sense organs - 'gyanindriyan') are ACTUALLY PURE (ABSOLUTE PURITY), from the INFINITE, UNLIMITED PERSPECTIVE!

A (complete) virgin girl of this world is only CONSIDERED to be 'pure' from a body-conscious perspective of the 'world' of Ravan Rajya or Copper & Iron Ages; whereas she cannot be regarded as COMPLETELY & ABSOLUTELY 'pure' from the soul-conscious perspective of the 'world' of RamRajya or Golden & Silver Ages (number-wise); whereas she achieves the HIGHEST DEGREE of INFINITE & ABSOLUTE PURITY only at the very end of the Confluence Age, by having the ACCURATE UNADULTERATED REMEMBRANCE (yatharth, avyabhichari Yaad) of ONLY ONE BELOVED UNLIMITED Father, ShivBaba or God, who is the HIGHEST on HIGH, and BOUNTEOUSLY BEAUTIFUL & SOOTHINGLY SWEET - SWEETER than any milk, or sugar, or saccharine, or honey, or nectar, or life-giving herb ('sanjivni bhutti')!

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