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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 24 Sep 2016

# Flaw No. 349) PBKs inadvertently make their Prajapita
FULLY INFERIOR!


Mr. Dixit mis-interpreted the Murli point and claims - the four hands of Vishnu* represent HIS helping hands. He claims that, in the picture of Vishnu, he is the HEAD, and the HANDS represent the four personalities - DLR, Om Radhe, Kamala Devi and sister Vedanti. Sometimes he claims that he controls these hands!

1) Baba says- Brahma is shown with thousands of hands, (not just four). But, Mr Dixit says- he has four hands. So, are his hands limited just to four?
OK, that can be agreed, as they are main helping hands of Mr. Dixit. But, in that case, they should get place in top 8 (very next to him). Else how can they be claimed in yaadgaars, as MAIN helping hands?

2) Now, the second question is- to what extent they help him or to what extent he controls them?
PBKs believe sister Vedanti is yet to recognize him, and is still kourava, till this date(in PBK view)
---Kamala Devi left him in 1998 and is out of Yagya. What help is she providing to him, or is this as good as he controlling her?
---PBKs believe DLR/Bull is still riding/controlling on/over Cow/Kamala-Devi & Shankar/Dixit!

So- who is controlling whom?

And- regarding Om Radhe- PBKs, if they wish, may express how is she helping hand of Mr. Dixit. I think- PBKs believe she enters in sister Vedanti(kourava) only - not a pandava. Am I right? Or, does she enter Kamala-Devi also?

3) BTW- Even Mahalakshmi* is also shown with four hands. Who are her helping hands or whom does she control? (in PBK view)

* Ocean of Knowledge, most beloved ShivBaba has clearly said- the four hands represent - two hands of Lakshmi and two hands of Narayan- the pravruttimarg.
Even if this is considered to relate to ONLY Golden Age, then, if we take Silver Age ALSO into consideration, then from a further subtler sense, we can consider as ONE HAND EACH of Lakshmi and Narayan, and ONE HAND EACH of R&S, who would EFFECTIVELY be considered to be the PRACTICAL RULING/SUSTAINING FORM of 'Vishnu', being the HIGHEST Sovereigns during Golden Age and Silver Age, or during RamRajya - while the 'SOUL' or 'HEAD' of 'Vishnu' would STILL represent Shiva or God, IN ABSENTIA - since 'Vishnu' is ONLY a SYMBOLIC form, representing the PRACTICAL ACT of SUSTENANCE of God, as 'KARAVANHAR' (one who gets DONE THROUGH OTHERS)! Although PRACTICALLY, the respective roles of 'Vishnu' are enacted in Golden & Silver Ages, YET THOSE SPECIFIC sanskars are RE-CHARGED within the respective souls, in the Confluence Age ONLY, with the ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ShivBaba, Shiva or God!

Mr. Dixit tried to act superior to ShivBaba and just fell into his own pit very badly. - :laugh:
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# Flaw No. 350) In PBK view- is Saraswathi, wife or Mother of PBK Prajapita? - not daughter?

4) Refer to the same Murli point (as well as in many other Murli points) said in previous posts. It clearly says- Saraswathi is daughter of Prajapita. Baba has given the name Saraswathi to Jagadamba herself. But, PBKs have bifurcated even Jagadamba and Saraswathi. Mostly PBKs believe Kamala Devi is Jagadamba and sister Vedanti is Saraswathi (correct me if I am wrong).

5) Now- in PBK view- Kamala Devi is mother of their Prajapita/Dixit.
----PBKs believe that sister Vedanti is like a wife of Mr Dixit- not daughter. In Conf Age itself, they show them as couple, and also give them title as Lakshmi & Narayan, as well as Ram & Sita.

So- in PBK view- Saraswathi is not daughter of Prajapita, but either Wife or Mother!
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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 24 Sep 2016

# Flaw No. 351) PBKs inadvertently imply Mr. Dixit cannot be true Shankar!

6) PBKs on one hand boast that their 'Shankar' is the one who attains full victory over lust and other vices.
But- "in their own view" - the PBK group would be ahead in the first two subjects, (knowledge and Yaad), and the related BK group would be ahead in the other two subjects (dharna and service). PBKs openly claim/say- in the end, each group becomes complete by the color of company of the other. That is- each group is dependent on the other group to reach perfection.

7) So- in PBK view- All the 2.25 lakh COUPLE PBK souls, including Mr Dixit, depend on the BK group to become complete. So, when the PBK Shankar/Dixit himself is dependent on someone to become complete, how can he be number one?

8) More funny thing is- - In PBK view- the purity of BK group (from whom they attain perfection in the end) is cowardice, superficial, including sister Vedanti.
So, in PBK view- all the PBKs (including PBK Shankar) become complete by the colour of company of cowardice souls, who have superficial purity!

So- where does the PBK 'Shankar' stand? - :sad:

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 24 Sep 2016

"in their own view" - the PBK group would be ahead in the first two subjects, (knowledge and Yaad), and the related BK group would be ahead in the other two subjects (dharna and service).
It is said that remembrance is in itself service, to stay in soul-consciousness, to spread such vibrations and create such an atmosphere is the greatest service through the mind. And one who is an embodiment of remembrance will certainly embody the virtues that come out of that.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 25 Sep 2016

# Flaw No. 352) Why did Mr. Dixit gave up the position in the last two subjects?
sita wrote:It is said that remembrance is in itself service, to stay in soul-consciousness, to spread such vibrations and create such an atmosphere is the greatest service through the mind. And one who is an embodiment of remembrance will certainly embody the virtues that come out of that.
1) True. Murli points even say- antim certificate mansaa sevaa kaa hee milegaa = The final certificate will be received on the basis of service through the mind. [Other services are like class/internal tests - have value, but not as significant as the service through the mind].

2) But- Mr Dixit/PBKs GAVE UP the positions in the two subjects and FELL into his own pit. Hence, even if PBKs NOW SAY- "It is said2", it will not have any value. It will be like collecting milk already fallen on the floor.

3) Actually WHY did Mr Dixit give up the positions in the last two subjects? Has any PBK thought of it?
The reason is simple. It was his cunning, and an excuse for justifying the faults of PBKs, including himself. The first two subjects are comparatively gupt/incognito*. The results of the last two (dharna and service) are externally seen. Failure of PBKs in the last two are clearly seen. They neither can do service like BKs, nor have ability to give drushti, etc.

* Knowledge is a matter of debate, and Yaad is fully gupt. So- Mr. Dixit claimed that they are better in those two subjects, and gave up the seat in the other two subjects.

4) Another funny thing is- When PBKs believe the BK group is not accurate in knowledge and Yaad (they believe the BK group is kourava, Bhakti people, etc., and claim/criticize that their Yaad is also like Bhaktimarg, etc., etc.), so HOW COME they certify the Bk group as better in the last two subjects?? :laugh:

Mr. Dixit was such a fool to give up these positions.

5) Actually, by DEFAULT itself, Mr. Dixit is wrong. Without right gyaan and Yaad, right dharnaa and service are not possible. Then how come Mr Dixit is claiming Bk group is better in the those two subjects?

But, Mr Dixit bifurcated even here, and just committed another spiritual suicide.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 25 Sep 2016

We believe that whatever happens in the Confluence Age is a result of the past. Souls come having awakened their fortune. Whatever sanskars they have had for the past 63 births, these will influence their effort making life in the Confluence Age.

When it is said about the matter of knowledge and Yaad. Knowledge is a prerequisite for Yaad and it is the Father himself who is giving his own introduction. Since the BKs don't believe at present there is a permanent corporeal role of the Father, their Yaad will be accordingly.

With respect to virtues and seva, it is believed that the greatest virtue, the mother of all other virtues is purity. Yaad does bring purity, but to have natural remembrance we have to have a pure mind. Whatever we have done in the past will come in front of us, like an account, and in the form of situation in the Confluence Age, in our effort making life for to face it and finish it. Souls who have followed purity for many births will also be good in Yaad. It will be easy for them. Their pure intellect will also retain knowledge. And seva is only a result.

Baba has said that this knowledge is well accepted if it is narrated by sisters and mothers. No one will listen to people who speak with authority. As we believe that the sanskars of the PBKs are of fighting or impurity, so their service will not go well. But they are making effort according to Shrimat and invest time, money and energy to explain to people individually and create heirs.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 27 Sep 2016

When it is said about the matter of knowledge and Yaad. Knowledge is a prerequisite for Yaad and it is the Father himself who is giving his own introduction. Since the BKs don't believe at present there is a permanent corporeal role of the Father, their Yaad will be accordingly.
This is only PBK view, based on their CORRUPTED & INVERTED intellects, without any support of Murli points. Just saying my cock has three legs! All the rest are just vague replies, having no PRACTICAL SUBSTANCE WHATSOEVER.
[BKs believe their Brahma is permanent one; and Murli points clearly say- the role of Brahma has now shifted to subtle. But, PBk Brahma/Prajapita as well as Jagadamba had been changed many times. And- Mr Dixit was absent from Yagya for several decades- so PBKs using the name permanent is just a lie. They have absolutely no logical basis to use the term 'permanent'. - Already put].
God, the Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Himself, gave His own introduction to Humanity, through REAL Prajapita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR!
Since the PBKs DO NOT Re-Cognize, BOTH, the 'Parlokik' Father - ShivBaba, AS WELL AS, the 'Alokik Father - Brahma Baba, ACCURATELY, and have been TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED by Ravan or Maya, to DELUSIVELY believe that Ravan or Maya, MASQUERADING as (FALSE) 'ShivBaba', through the 'MAHA-MURKH', 'mukrar-rath' of Ravan, -Virendra Dev Dixit, is REAL ShivBaba, their Yaad or remembrance, AS WELL AS, their final destination, will be accordingly.
As we believe that the sanskars of the PBKs are of fighting or impurity, so their service will not go well.

Thank you for this point.
But they are making effort according to Shrimat and invest time, money and energy to explain to people individually and create heirs.
Shrimat in PBKs? - You can see the countless errors already shown as proof.
There is NO DOUBT, that the POOR, BLIND PBKs, have INDEED been TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED, to invest their time, money and energy in explaining the CORRUPTED & ADULTERATED, REVERSED advanced knowledge to UNWARY & INNOCENT souls, DELUSIVELY believing the same to be 'Shrimat', when in ACTUAL FACT, the same is 'Ravanmat', 'Mayavimat', 'manmat', 'parmat' & 'kumat' of Ravan Rajya!

Anyhow, you may keep on speaking just lies. More errors, while defending the lies, can be seen here!

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 27 Sep 2016

# Flaw No. 353) In PBK view- does only Shankar have a mixed part - NOT OTHERS !

How deeply PBKs have fallen into their own pit and to what extent they speak lies- they are still not aware of.

From here- viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1860&p=51903#p51903
sita wrote:a)You know in the Murli it is said that Prajapita and Shankar are different. We take this to mean that Prajapita is the impure soul and Shankar is a mixed part.
b) When this soul of Prajapita achieves a subtle stage, then he can be called Shankar.
c) And we believe that a subtle stage is the stage that whilst we are in a corporeal body, our mind is subtle, it does not think of gross, material things, but it is a surrendered intellect, that thinks only about matters of knowledge and service.
d) That's why Shankar is said to be an angel and pure, because the feet of his intellect do not touch the ground of body-consciousness.
1) First of all, no Murli point says- Shankar is a mixed part. If it is mixed, then Shankar cannot be called as pure, or highest. PBKs mix their Shankar with a ghost, and still claim their Shankar is highest! - :laugh:

2) Moreover- in PBK philosophy- almost ALL THE ROLES ARE MIXED ONES!
----In PBK view- their JAGADAMBA is again mixed ones- Many souls playing that role- Lekhraj Kirpalani, Premkanta, Kamala Devi, may be they may be adding even Om Radhe and sister Vedanti too in this role.
----Their Prajapita role was played by two/three souls- DLR, Sevakram, and Dixit. Even from 1942 till 1947, they believe the ENTIRE Yagya was in control of two pbk sisters, as if they are inadvertently implying- a female is playing role of Prajapita/leader. Or the Prajapita was absent/absconding from 1942 till 1947 and from 1969 Jan till 1976 (or at least till 1969 Sept).

----Further- the other two (B and V) roles in the Trimurtiis totally a mixture and ambiguities- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2593&start=135 .
PBKs sometimes say- Brahma is DLR, sometimes say Kamala Devi is Brahma. They sometimes say- Vishnu is sister Vedanti, sometimes say Dixit.

------PBKs have mixed even Brahma with Krishna. They give name Krishna and Brahma at the same time to Lekhraj Kirpalani.
---Even subtle BRAHMA- is played by two personalities.- Lekhraj Kirpalani and Dixit.
----Even regarding role of Krishna- they believe THERE ARE TWO KRISHNAS in Conf . Age- Lekhraj Kirpalani and Dixit.

---Even the Gita is a mixed part. In PBK view- there are two (human) gitas- Sister Vedanti(True Gita) and Kamala Devi (False Gita).


----More interesting is- in PBK view- Brahma is MOST mixed- played by 4/5 personalities.

So, when all the roles in PBk philosophy are mixed ones, What is the point is using the word MIXED PART only for Shankar?

3) Now, PBKs fall even deeper. From b) above- when does Mr Dixit get right for the title Shankar? PBKs say- when Shankar reaches subtle stage, he can be called as Shankar.
In PBK view- till almost end, their Dixit never reaches subtle stage. he will be always controlled/influenced by the ghost ALMOST TILL END.

4) Again- from the above, PBKs inadvertently imply- (if at any point of time), Mr Dixit reaches subtle stage, then he gets name Shankar, and loses the IMPURE name Prajapita- right? Then it is as good as-

# Flaw No. 354) So- in PBK view itself, Prajapita does not exist till end of Kalpa:-

PBKs on one hand, claim Prajapita (impure name- ?*) would be there till end, blah, blah, blah. But, now they inadvertently imply- there cannot be Prajapita till the end.

5) But- actually, whole of the philosophy is nothing but a failure as already said and proved earlier- their Shankar never rides Bull as they have claimed. They have so far never said- how and when their Shankar rides on others.

* - It is PBKs who are stuck to the word Prajapita physically. Now, they say Prajapita is name of impurity and let us see whether they like to keep the same name literally/physically to Mr Dixit till end.

Further interesting thing is-

# Flaw No. 355) Is PBK Shankar interested on riding only on one Bull/Ghost? - :laugh:

6) What is the aim and object of PBKs and their leader? If we see in the discussion and clarifications of Mr Dixit, they will usually be saying= Bull riding/controlling on Shankar and Shankar riding on Bull.

So- is the aim and object of PBKs is such a LOW ONE?

7) Further- if any PBK wishes to say- they may explain what they have said in d) above. That is- when ROLE of their Shankar actually begins and how.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 27 Sep 2016

there cannot be Prajapita till end.
Why? I don't understand what you say here?
when ROLE of their Shankar actually begins and how.
As you have rightly pointed out, the roles of establishment and destruction goes on hand in hand in the Yagya, right from the beginning. When ShivBaba comes he creates the Subtle Region. To the extent we become subtle, to the extent we become complete, to that extent we detach from the world, we destroy the world. Shankar is the image of meditation. He has a third eye of knowledge. As much as this eye is opened, that much the world is destroyed.
But, PBK Brahma/Prajapita as well as Jagadamba had been changed many times.
Prajapita and Jagadamba are one, Brahma in it's real meaning is also one and the rest can take this title in some form, but only one can take this title in its pure and full form. Like Baba has said that we are all Jagadambas number-wise, we have to develop an attitude of Jagadamba towards the world. So souls will be numberwise in that, but one will be number one. There are also souls like Prajapitas to their own generation, like the religious fathers, but there is one soul who is Prajapita to all. Prajapita and Jagadamba are unique souls. If this title comes for a temporary period or in a limited sense to other souls it does not diminish their role. Like there are many Lakshmi and Narayans, but all of them carry the title of the first ones only.
2) Moreover- in PBK philosophy- almost all the roles are mixed part!
That is fine, but it is the role in which Prajapita is mixed that makes it Shankar, because Prajapita is the first man, he is Father to the rest of the human souls, he has the consciousnesses of other souls as children and it is he who reaches a stage like that of the Father.


= RESPONSE =

"Prajapita and Jagadamba are one, Brahma in it's real meaning is also one and the rest can take this title in some form, but only one can take this title in its pure and full form."
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
APPLIES ABSOLUTELY & PRIMARILY to REAL Prajapita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, without an IOTA of DOUBT, WHATSOEVER - but ONLY for souls with SUBTLE, DIVINE intellects!!!
View RESPONSE in the post, in the following link, for better understanding -
viewtopic.php?f=40&p=51908#p51908

"That is fine, but it is the role in which Prajapita is mixed that makes it Shankar, because Prajapita is the first man, he is Father to the rest of the human souls, he has the consciousnesses of other souls as children and it is he who reaches a stage like that of the Father."
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
APPLIES ABSOLUTELY & PRIMARILY to REAL Prajapita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, without an IOTA of DOUBT, WHATSOEVER - but ONLY for souls with SUBTLE, DIVINE intellects!!!
View RESPONSE in the post, in the following link, for better understanding -
viewtopic.php?f=3&p=51909#p51905

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 28 Sep 2016

sita wrote:Why? I don't understand what you say here?
You have written that when Mr Dixit becomes pure, he can be called as Shankar, and the impure name is Prajapita Brahma. So- it is as good as you implying that when Mr Dixit becomes pure, he gets name Shankar, and loses name Prajapita - according to your own statement - logically speaking.
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# Flaw No. 356) In PBK view- Is Shankar practically ANGEL or an impure personality?
As you have rightly pointed out, the roles of establishment and destruction goes on hand in hand in the Yagya, right from the beginning. When ShivBaba comes he creates the Subtle Region. To the extent we become subtle, to the extent we become complete, to that extent we detach from the world, we destroy the world. Shankar is the image of meditation. He has a third eye of knowledge. As much as this eye is opened, that much the world is destroyed.

1) Then the argument what you have claimed fails, as you have said- Shankar's mind never touches the ground, he is pure, and hence called ANGEL, etc, etc.
So- on one hand, you claim- Only pure personality can be called as angel, on the other hand, you say- role of Shankar began from 1936 itself.

2) So- do PBKs believe Shankar and all other names apply to Mr Dixit from 1936 itself? Earlier, you had said- from 1976, Mr Dixit is eligible for all he names.

3) Is Mr. Dixit angel from 1976?

4) Also- I think- PBKs say- Of the 100 yrs of Conf Age, the first 33 yrs is role of Brahma, next 33 yrs is role of Vishnu, the last 33 yrs is the role of Shankar. RIGHT? [You may correct me].
---- Now- according to this, Mr Dixit gets title Shankar only from 1936 + 33+ 33 = 2002. Nothing tallies. Even if we agree- is Mr Dixit angel from at least 2002?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 28 Sep 2016

It has been said in the Murli that when I come, I come with the trimuty. It means that if God has come in 36, the Trimurti must be there, and Shankar is one of the Trimurti. But it does not mean that at that time he is pure, or that Vishnu is there pure at that time. It is only the souls through whom God plays part that are there. Baba has said that souls become pure only at the end, so I believe that the role of Prajapita is going on there till the end. Prajapita is effort-maker. When one becomes pure – everyone becomes pure. When one becomes pure the scene of all souls going back to Paramdam will be there, that is depicted on the top of the picture of the Tree – souls going back along with Shankar.

At present the soul of Brahma Baba is still not completely pure, also the soul of Prajapita, no one is pure; in the impure world no one is pure, so the role of the crescent moon on the forehead of Shankar is there. Now it is the part when vicious souls like snakes are there sticking to the soul of Prajapita, angry souls, egoistic, attached souls, greedy souls. Now the damru of knowledge is beating for both the deity souls and the demons. God is there when it is the Confluence Age. When souls become pure there is no God. When Shankar reaches his complete stage he will become Narayan.

It is said that Brahmins go up and down. It means when their stage is high, when they burn their body-consciousness, when they are in high stage they are in soul-consciousness. Then they fall. Same is with Prajapita who is a brahmin and effort-maker. He may reach a high stage in one moment and then fall. When he reaches a high stage you can also say – look a complete stage, a deity stage an angel, Shankar, Narayan etc., but it is for a temporary period.
Also- I think- PBKs say- Of the 100 yrs of Conf. Age, the first 33 yrs is role of Brahma, next 33 yrs is role of Vishnu, the last 33 yrs is the role of Shankar. RIGHT? [You may correct me].
We believe that it is 33 years for Brahma, 33 years for Shankar and 33 years for Vishnu.


= RESPONSE =

CLARIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED in (brackets).

It has been said in the Murli that when I come, I come with the trimuty (all the Righteous Children - including B, V & S - take SPIRITUAL birth TOGETHER with Shiva, upon ENTRY of Shiva into the corporeal body of REAL Prajapita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, and hence the BIRTH-DAY of the Children is EXACTLY the SAME as the BIRTH-DAY of Shiva - ALREADY CLARIFIED earlier on this forum). It means that if God has come in 36, the Trimurti must be there, and Shankar is one of the Trimurti (the THREE PRINCIPAL SOULS of the Trimurti - ShivBaba, Brahma Baba & Saraswati Mama are Spiritually present). But it does not mean that at that time he is pure, or that Vishnu is there pure at that time (Brahma Baba & Saraswati Mama are not pure in the beginning). It is only the souls through whom God plays part that are there (the TWO MAIN embodied souls, being Brahma Baba & Saraswati Mama). Baba has said that souls become pure only at the end, so I believe that the role of Prajapita is going on there till the end (the MAIN role of REAL Prajapita or Brahma Baba, in an impure corporeal body, of being an instrument to convey the REQUIRED Pure Knowledge to Humanity, is completed in 1969, after which Brahma Baba is not addressed as 'Prajapita' anymore, but as Father Brahma or 'Brahma Bap'). Prajapita is effort-maker (REAL Prajapita or Brahma Baba is an effort-maker, UNTIL 1969, when he achieves the 'sampurna karmateet avastha' or PURE ANGELIC STAGE). When one becomes pure – everyone becomes pure (AT THEIR OWN TIME, in Confluence Age, according to their individual efforts - DOES NOT HAVE TO BE EXACTLY AT THE VERY SAME TIME AS THAT OF Brahma Baba - ALREADY CLARIFIED earlier, on this forum). When one becomes pure the scene of all souls going back to Paramdam will be there, that is depicted on the top of the picture of the Tree – souls going back along with Shankar (Brahma Baba becomes pure in 1969, after which he enacts the role of Shankar, ALONG WITH ShivBaba and Saraswati Mama, and waits for ALL other CONCERNED souls to become pure, before ALL CONCERNED souls can go back with ShivBaba, Brahma Baba & Saraswati Mama, COMBINED TOGETHER, in the role of Shankar).

At present the soul of Brahma Baba is still not completely pure, also the soul of Prajapita, no one is pure (if the soul of REAL Prajapita or Brahma Baba is not pure, then he would DEFINITELY have to take ANOTHER impure corporeal body in Confluence Age, which is NOT THE CASE AT ALL); in the impure world no one is pure (NO EMBODIED SOUL, who is STILL inside an IMPURE corporeal body, INCLUDING the soul of 'MAHA-MURKH' -Virendra Dev Dixit, is pure. They are ALL impure, EXCEPT for the soul of Brahma Baba, who is NOT inside an IMPURE corporeal body, but a PURE ANGELIC body), so the role of the crescent moon on the forehead of Shankar is there (which is THEN ALSO shown as a ROUND HALO around his head, signifying the COMPLETE ANGELIC STAGE of Brahma Baba, in 1969, when he becomes Avyakt). Now it is the part when vicious souls like snakes are there sticking to the soul of Prajapita, angry souls, egoistic, attached souls, greedy souls (souls, like the 'MAHA-MURKH', 'mukrar-rath' of Ravan or Maya, -Virendra Dev Dixit, MASQUERADING as 'ShivBaba', 'Prajapita', 'Shankar', etc., etc., etc., AND the EQUALLY 'MAHA-MURKH', BLIND PBKs - involved in OPPOSING, DEFAMING, INSULTING & MOCKING God and His 'mukrar-rath' of REAL Prajapita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR). Now the damru of knowledge is beating for both the deity souls (BKs, through the Godly University - PBKIVV or BKWSU) and the demons (PBKs, through the DoGly university - AIVV). God is there when it is the Confluence Age (through the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, until 1969, and through the subtle body of Brahma Baba, AFTER 1969, till the end of Confluence Age). When souls become pure there is no God (at the VERY END of Confluence Age or the VERY BEGINNING of G A). When Shankar reaches his complete stage he will become Narayan (when Brahma Baba becomes COMPLETELY SOUL-CONSCIOUS, he will take birth as Shri Krishna of G A, and ascend the Throne as the very FIRST Emperor of G A, thereafter).

It is said that Brahmins go up and down (ALL the Brahmins who are STILL inside their IMPURE corporeal bodies fluctuate in their spiritual stage, INCLUDING the soul of 'MAHA-MURKH' -Virendra Dev Dixit). It means when their stage is high, when they burn their body-consciousness, when they are in high stage they are in soul-consciousness. Then they fall. Same is with Prajapita who is a Brahmin and effort-maker (UNTIL 1969, when REAL Prajapita or Brahma Baba becomes 'Avyakt'). He may reach a high stage in one moment and then fall. When he reaches a high stage you can also say – look a complete stage, a deity stage an angel, Shankar, Narayan etc., but it is for a temporary period (UNTIL 1969, when REAL Prajapita or Brahma Baba becomes 'Avyakt').

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 28 Sep 2016

all the Righteous Children - including B, V & S - take SPIRITUAL birth TOGETHER with Shiva, upon ENTRY of Shiva into the corporeal body of REAL Prajapita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, and hence the BIRTH-DAY of the Children is EXACTLY the SAME as the BIRTH-DAY of Shiva
Why righteous? It is said that all souls will become Brahmins. All souls are children of one. Rudramala is of all the souls of the world.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 28 Sep 2016

# Flaw No. 357) When I come, trimurtis would be with me:-

An important Murli point on Trimurti, where PBKs took only half, but could not even understand that half!
sita wrote:It has been said in the Murli that when I come, I come with the Trimurti.
1)If we take all or many Murli points on Trimurti, - Post No. 26- mu point Nos. 6 and 7 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... atan#p4078

So- I believe it is said for the symbolic (map like) only. Reproducing the Murli point here,

SM 27-1-78(1):- Pahle jab main aataa hun to mere saath BVS hote hain. Manushy srushti to pahle se hi hai. Phir vah kaise paltaa khaati hai, repeat kaise hota hai. Pahle2 zaroor sookshmvatan rachna pade. Phir sthoolvatan may aanaa pade. Kyonki manushy jo devta bane vah ab shoodr bane hain.

= When I come first, BVS would be with me. Human creation would already be existing. Then how it gets transformed, repeats. First definitely Subtle Region should be created. Then (I) should come into corporeal world. ...

2) Read the Murli point carefully and fully. It says- When I come to the (corporeal) world, BVS would (already) be with me.
But, in PBK view- it is NOT SO.
----In PBK view- When God comes to the corporeal world, he comes alone, not with Trimurti. PBKs believe God meets trimurtis, ONLY AFTER ENTERING into the world. In other words- "PBKs believe God comes to the place of trimurtis, not with trimurtis".
---Murli point clearly says- "First Subtle Region should be created. THE HUMAN WORLD IS ALREADY EXISTING". IT IMPLIES THAT THE TRIMURTIS SAID HERE ARE NOT FOR THE EXISTING HUMAN BEINGS.
----Moreover- in PBK view- God comes to the place of FOUR, NOT THREE!
It means ...
3)This is only in PBK view or their FP- having neither logic, explanation nor any proof. And, also going against other several Murli points.
It is said that Brahmins go up and down. It means when their stage is high, when they burn their body-consciousness, when they are in high stage they are in soul-consciousness. Then they fall. Same is with Prajapita who is a Brahmin and effort-maker. He may reach a high stage in one moment and then fall. When he reaches a high stage you can also say – look a complete stage, a deity stage an angel, Shankar, Narayan etc., but it is for a temporary period.
4) Due to the false propaganda of PBKs, PBKs finally have to agree that their Shankar is not a practical subtle deity, but only having ups and downs, like others. Whatever they claim about Shankar- blah, blah, blah, they lose their grip on that.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 28 Sep 2016

# Flaw No. 358) What do PBKs finally say- Trimurti roles are played by three or only one?:-

First of all, they are still confused whether the Trimurti is 3, 4 or 5. Already put. Now- the splitting up of each trimurtis into 33 yrs each is another blunder of PBKs.
sita wrote:We believe that it is 33 years for Brahma, 33 years for Shankar and 33 years for Vishnu.
5) This is again another failure of PBKs. As per above, role of Brahma had been played during first part of 33 yrs. Most of the time during the first part, PBK souls were almost out of Yagya. So, who is the real Brahma? If they stick to the Brahma role for the first part, then obviously they cannot take it. It goes to DLR.

6)Again PBK souls were not in the Yagya even from the beginning of second part(1936 + 33). They arrived only after losing some part. [Sister Vedanti only was there in Yagya in 1965. Mr Dixit came in 1969, but only after losing few months, and Kamala Devi was there only in 1983 - after Premkanta left].

7) If PBKs believe the sustenance/Vishnu part is going to be handled through Sister Vedanti (Vishnu), do PBKs believe even Mr. Dixit gets sustenance through sister Vedanti? It is fully ridiculous that- a goat/cowardice like soul is giving sustenance to the top 8 souls in Rudrmala! Any logic?

8) Still not sure- what are PBKs saying- Are they saying each personality in Trimurti are different, or just one (Dixit)?
Usually- PBKs claim that- BVS are different, and hence put three different souls in Trimurti. But- here below a PBK says-
Prajapita and Jagadamba are one, Brahma in it's real meaning is also one and the rest can take this title in some form, but only one can take this title in its pure and full form. Like Baba has said that we are all Jagadambas number-wise, we have to develop an attitude of Jagadamba towards the world. So souls will be numberwise in that, but one will be number one. There are also souls like Prajapitas to their own generation, like the religious fathers, but there is one soul who is Prajapita to all. Prajapita and Jagadamba are unique souls. If this title comes for a temporary period or in a limited sense to other souls it does not diminish their role. Like there are many Lakshmi and Narayans, but all of them carry the title of the first ones only.
In the discussion, that was not the point of argument. I asked something else (why do PBKs use the mixed part, only for Shankar). You said something else, did not reply to the point. OK, now- to this point-

Are PBKs saying Mr Dixit only is real Trimurti (all the three - BVS), and even the other two(Kamala Devi and sister Vedanti) in their picture are only title-holders?
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BK view is simple. Baba has said- my real child is only one, Brahma. Brahma is both 'Alokik' Father and 'Alokik' Mother. Real/Senior/First Jagadamba is also Brahma only - Adam & Eve.
But, practically Brahma cannot get two titles. The title Mother goes to the best child, who is the best daughter- Om Radhe (who is the spiritual soul-mate of Brahma Baba). But- in the PBK view- where does it fit?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 28 Sep 2016

# Flaw No. 359) What is the point in PBKs claiming that they know the right interpretation of the year 1976:-

From here- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51907&hilit ... ion#p51907
sita wrote:As you have rightly pointed out, the roles of establishment and destruction goes on hand in hand in the Yagya, right from the beginning. When ShivBaba comes he creates the Subtle Region. To the extent we become subtle, to the extent we become complete, to that extent we detach from the world, we destroy the world. Shankar is the image of meditation. He has a third eye of knowledge. As much as this eye is opened, that much the world is destroyed.
See how funny the above argument is. On one hand, PBKs split the role of BVS into 33 yrs. And here, they say- together.

BTW- Do PBKs really believe- when Conf Age is over by 10% , even the establishment is also over by 10%? And- destruction of both the outside and Braahmin world also would be over by 10%? Now- more than 75% of the Conf Age is over. Do they believe outside world is also destroyed to that extent?

But, then why do they stick to 1976 as the year of destruction?

Even if we take their another argument claiming that- BK souls left Yagya and joined AIVV- it started only in 1980s. If PBKs have some data, they can give- who all had left BKWSU and joined AIVV in 1976.

And- the most important thing is- if destruction has begun in 1976 - (in PBK view)- then part of Shankar should actually begin from 1976, is it not? Where does their 33 year split stand then?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 28 Sep 2016

We say the Trimurti is played by different personalities, who are there together at the same time. The 33 years each is for when the specific part of the 3 parts is being revealed.

But if you like to see the Trimurti in one form you can also do that. Baba has said that he has two righteous children - Brahma (who becomes Vishnu) and Shankar. They combine as BapDada in one body. And the third soul is the soul of Shiv.

76 is the year of the revelation of the Father and the year of the birth of Lakshmi and Narayan. But you can also call it as the year of destruction, because in this year the 10 year declaration finishes, for which it was said that the old world will end and the new will begin. In the year 76 also the Sangamyug of 40 years, as said in the Murli finishes. But in the Murli the Sangamyug is also said to be of 50, 60, or 100 years.

76 is the year of destruction because it is the year of completion. The 100 years of Brahma gets completed. And after the role of Brahma comes the role of Shankar.

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