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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by shivshankar » 07 Nov 2016

[b][color=#FF4000]RESPONSE[/color][/b] wrote: As you ALREADY FEEL and EXPERIENCE that, "WE ARE ALL ONE, RIGHT NOW", why are you STILL sensing ANY DIFFERENCE between US, AT ALL, RIGHT NOW???
All this is part of a Film, "you" have your role, "this one" has his role. All this will continue until egos will merge in Unity.

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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by shivshankar » 07 Nov 2016

[b][color=#FF4000]RESPONSE[/color][/b] wrote: Have the KG-B ALREADY REVEALED the CODES to the MAIN-FRAME COMPUTER of this MATRIX to you, AS YET??? Or, ARE YOU PINNING your HOPES on the IS???
It is FSB now ;-)

The only aim is to give information, if there is interest.


= RESPONSE =

KG-B = (Spiritual) Kinder Garten Babies (Baby-intellects), and NOT FSB or SVR RF, or FBI or CIA US!
However, please note that EVEN DT considered them to be BABIES!

What is your INTEREST here, and what INFORMATION do you aim to give?
Would such INFORMATION afford ANY aspirant to have ACTUAL REALIZATION of their own Nature?
Do you consider this INFORMATION to be something NEW, which was NOT KNOWN to ANYONE before?
When do you believe your EGO will merge in UNITY, and HOW would this take place?

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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by shivshankar » 09 Nov 2016

[color=#FF4000][b]RESPONSE[/b][/color] wrote: What is your INTEREST here, and what INFORMATION do you aim to give?
Would such INFORMATION afford ANY aspirant to have ACTUAL REALIZATION of their own Nature?
Do you consider this INFORMATION to be something NEW, which was NOT KNOWN to ANYONE before?
When do you believe your EGO will merge in UNITY, and HOW would this take place?
It is like a teaser, before the main event will start. All main information had been given already.

There will be some clarifications about practice, in order to simplify this process of re-achieving Self Realisation. The main aspect is that interest (if there is one) to That goes from That, i.e. interest to find God goes from God. So there is no doubt that Realisation will take place, as and when you feel interest.
This is not something new, it is better to say that this was something old and forgotten. It was a natural state of perceiving. So you don't discover or achieve something new, what did not exist few seconds ago.
All what is happening is that your attention transforms into some other form and you Realize All in one moment. It may last minutes or hours or days, but result is permanent.

Nirvikalpa samadhi is a natural state of perception of Deities. So this ego will merge completely when This one will become Deity. Process is going on and will go faster, as My role will become public. He had experience of nirvikalpa samadhi for about 15 minutes, 2.5 years ago. That ego is still quiet strong, but is losing influence.


= RESPONSE =

When do you believe the main event will ACTUALLY start?
Is Self Realization and God Realization EXACTLY the same?
If so, do you consider your Self to be God, who had forgotten your Self?
How did God forget Himself, and what caused Him to remember Himself again?
If the result is permanent, how come you did not stay in that permanent stage ALWAYS?
Is Nirvikalpa Samadhi the same as Soul-consciousness or God-consciousness, and what is the DIFFERENCE between the TWO, if any?
What or who made you come out of the experience of nirvikalpa samadhi?
Is OTS the same as OS, or is there any difference between the two?
Do you believe that Brahma Baba or the soul of DLR has ALREADY PERMANENTLY achieved the stage of nirvikalpa samadhi in 1969 itself, and is now only in his subtle body of light?
Do you believe that 'Shankar' Baba or soul of -Virendra Dev Dixit is able to maintain the stage of nirvikalpa samadhi, while still in his impure corporeal body, and that Shiv Baba & Brahma Baba operate through his corporeal body, while he maintains that stage, as claimed by him and his followers?
What factors are causing your EGO to be so STRONG as to prevent you from experiencing nirvikalpa samadhi PERMANENTLY.
Are these FACTORS within you or without you, and who is controlling them?

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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by shivshankar » 10 Nov 2016

[color=#FF4000][b]RESPONSE[/b][/color] wrote: When do you believe the main event will ACTUALLY start? ...
Are these FACTORS within you or without you, and who is controlling them?
When do you believe the main event will ACTUALLY start?
This time has actually started.

Is Self Realization and God Realization EXACTLY the same?
Yes.

If so, do you consider your Self to be God, who had forgotten your Self?
If you are talking about this person, he is just an actor in the film. We all are One Entity.

How did God forget Himself, and what caused Him to remember Himself again?
This answer couldn't be given by words precisely. We can say that part of One started thinking that it is something different than the whole One. It is like cameraman began to think that he is anchorman.
But all these comparisons are terribly limited. Every actor's desire comes from That.

If the result is permanent, how come you did not stay in that permanent stage ALWAYS?
This ego is still active. This is the only reason.

Is Nirvikalpa Samadhi the same as Soul-consciousness or God-consciousness, and what is the DIFFERENCE between the TWO, if any?
There is no TWO indeed. It was the nearest concept (given through BB), in order to purify parts of One from body-consciousness, and make them come closer to the ultimate realisation. It doesn't matter whether it will be mukti or jivanmukti.

What or who made you come out of the experience of nirvikalpa samadhi?
You wouldn't understand it fully without self experience, but as nirvikalpa samadhi happens automatically, so returning to other form of perceiving also happens automatically. But forms before samadhi and after samadhi are different.

Is OTS the same as OS, or is there any difference between the two?
Om Tat Sat and Om Shanti ?
Om=Shiva=Sat. Shanti is one of qualities. Also statements, "aham brahmasmi, tat twam asi", are correct.
Also thank you for correcting this post. Aushman bhavatu ;-)

Do you believe that Brahma Baba or the soul of DLR has ALREADY PERMANENTLY achieved the stage of nirvikalpa samadhi in 1969 itself, and is now only in his subtle body of light?
As this one had not received any visions, we can only consider the information which is in his mind at present. As for permanent stage of nirvikalpa samadhi - answer is yes, as BB had received mukti. As for subtle body of light - no information so far. Don't forget that Krishna(Narayan) will rule kingdom after 100 years will pass, commencing from 1936. So there are still 20 years to go. Of course, Krishna will have normal body.

Do you believe that 'Shankar' Baba or soul of -Virendra Dev Dixit is able to maintain the stage of nirvikalpa samadhi, while still in his impure corporeal body, and that Shiv Baba & Brahma Baba operate through his corporeal body, while he maintains that stage, as claimed by him and his followers?
Those who maintain stage of nirvikalpa samadhi are Deities. One is operating through all bodies - even through such "bad" persons as Hitler, Stalin, etc.
All this is part of the film even in such terrible cases. -Virendra Dev Dixit is not a terrible case, but he is not a Deity.
May be he will become, it depends on his last thoughts.

What factors are causing your EGO to be so STRONG as to prevent you from experiencing nirvikalpa samadhi PERMANENTLY?
Are these FACTORS within you or without you, and who is controlling them?

Some attachments are still active as well as social roles. They will merge after some time. History of this person is written as well as any others. We are the One who watch them.


= RESPONSE =
BKWSU SM, Revised 12.11.2016 wrote: No one knows when the end of the cycle is.
When do you believe the main event ACTUALLY started, and when do you believe it will ACTUALLY END?

Is God ALSO an actor in the Film, THROUGHOUT the period of 5000 years?

WHY, WHEN and HOW did the 'part of One' get separated from the 'whole One', to start thinking that it is something different from the 'whole One'?

How did the EGO come into existence or into play, in the FIRST place?

What do you believe is the difference between mukti and jivanmukti?

What is the difference of the forms before samadhi and after samadhi?

The concept of 'aham brahmasmi' was held by Brahma Baba and BKWSU in the beginning, when Brahma Baba was considered to have a 'baby intellect', which ShivBaba subsequently clarified to mean that 'we ourselves were Deities', and NOT, 'we ourselves are God' or 'we ourselves are the Supreme Soul'.
Is it possible that, under the exposure of your intellect to the ADULTERATED knowledge, propagated by -Virendra Dev Dixit, you have been drawn into carrying out the 'shooting' of that aspect of the Path of Devotion, in the Confluence Age, which pertains to this particular philosophy, which has been existing in the outer World, for a long period of time in Bhakti Marg?


If Krishna will ACTUALLY RULE in 2036, then he should be between 20 to 25 years in age, at that time, which means he should have ALREADY taken birth by now. If so, where and when, do you believe, has he taken birth?
BKWSU SM, Revised 12.11.2016 wrote: They think that they will eventually find God by performing devotion and stumbling around.
In this Confluence Age, AMONG the Confluence Age Brahmins, who are 'they', and how are 'they' performing 'devotion', and how are 'they' still 'stumbling around', IN SPITE of the Pure and UNADULTERATED Knowledge revealed to Humanity by the Supreme Soul or God?
BKWSU SM, Revised 12.11.2016 wrote: It is at this time that you call out: 'O You, who are the Stick for the Blind!'
Do you consider yourself to be the 'Stick for the Blind' ?

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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by shivshankar » 12 Nov 2016

[color=#FF4000][b]RESPONSE[/b][/color] wrote: When do you believe the main event ACTUALLY started, and when do you believe it will ACTUALLY END? ...
Do you consider yourself to be the 'Stick for the Blind' ?
When do you believe the main event ACTUALLY started, and when do you believe it will ACTUALLY END?
As there are two main armies, which are USA and Russia, and they both are in one district now. So everything is ready for the last battle. It is a matter of days or weeks when hot war will begin. Also both these armies are killing people now in different districts of Syria. And both these countries are main exporters of weapons (i.e. violence) in the world. As for duration of destruction, it may take a year or two. This one did not have visions about this process.

Is God ALSO an actor in the Film, THROUGHOUT the period of 5000 years?
There is only One Source from which actors and scenes go. We can say that there is only One actor in this Drama. This information cannot be realised fully without Self experience. It is like explaining to somebody who had not eaten sweet (sugar or smth) in this life what is "sweet" like. He won't understand without tasting. Also imagine that you don't have body (even thin bodies), so there is no ego, not even the thought
"I am". How will you distinguish something what may be called "you", from everything else what may be called "God"? So something similar happens when Realisation takes place. The only difference is that you have bodies, and information about your United nature stays somewhere.

WHY, WHEN and HOW did the 'part of One' get separated from the 'whole One', to start thinking that it is something different from the 'whole One'?
There is no answer to question WHY at all, because there was no beginning and there will be no end of this Circle. So nobody created this world for something. It is everlasting film.
It happens in the Copper Age, when egos start to appear. After that, part of One falls in illusion of being ego/person or body, i.e. consciousness starts to consider itself as matter.

How did the EGO come into existence or into play, in the FIRST place?
We can say that Deities perception is "All is". When power of some deities falls to some level, they stop to perceive Unity, and perception "I am" appears. It happens in the end of Silver Age.

What do you believe is the difference between mukti and jivanmukti?
If you Realise Unity while staying in body it is called jivanmukti. If after leaving body - mukti.

What is the difference of the forms before samadhi and after samadhi?
After nirvikalpa samadhi of any duration, you won't forget what Unity is, and that you (as well as others) are the immortal One. So there is no opportunity to fall into body consciousness, on the same level as you was before experience. As for this one, that experience had closed all missing parts in his spiritual path.

The concept of 'aham brahmasmi' was held by Brahma Baba and BKWSU in the beginning, when Brahma Baba was considered to have a 'baby intellect', which ShivBaba subsequently clarified to mean that 'we ourselves were Deities', and NOT, 'we ourselves are God' or 'we ourselves are the Supreme Soul'.
Is it possible that, under the exposure of your intellect to the ADULTERATED knowledge, propagated by -Virendra Dev Dixit, you have been drawn into carrying out the 'shooting' of that aspect of the Path of Devotion, in the Confluence Age, which pertains to this particular philosophy, which has been existing in the outer World, for a long period of time in Bhakti Marg?

As for this one, he hadn't studied information from -Virendra Dev Dixit. He only had different experiences concerning different religions as he was exploring them in some level. His basic knowledge was and is through - BB. Aham brahmasmi and Tat tvam asi is his experience from nirvikalpa samadhi (NS).
In the beginning of the Yagya it was necessary to simplify Knowledge and practice. Because both these statements couldn't be understood without samadhi. So the most simple form of practice is "dot and Dot" concept. Also on the path of Bhakti it took years to receive such experience as NS.
But, yes it is true that some had received it. Now we are entering world of Deities, so this will, and is happening overALL.

If Krishna will ACTUALLY RULE in 2036, then he should be between 20 to 25 years in age, at that time, which means he should have ALREADY taken birth by now. If so, where and when, do you believe, has he taken birth?
Correct. We will see further. This one thinks he has held him today while being at two devotees of Krishna home. If so, he is 4 months now.

In this Confluence Age, AMONG the Confluence Age Brahmins, who are 'they', and how are 'they' performing 'devotion', and how are 'they' still 'stumbling around', IN SPITE of the Pure and UNADULTERATED Knowledge revealed to Humanity by the Supreme Soul or God?
Please post more wide text of Murli which you are trying to understand.

Do you consider yourself to be the 'Stick for the Blind' ?
All Knowledge is coming from One source. It doesn't matter how. This one is happy to share the experience of this body.

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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by mbbhat » 13 Nov 2016

shivshankar wrote:In the beginning of the Yagya it was necessary to simplify Knowledge and practice. Because both these statements couldn't be understood without samadhi. So the most simple form of practice is "dot and Dot" concept. ...
The dot-Dot concept came later, mostly after one to two decades.
And- its significance never diminished after that, to date.
Time for Murlis has passed. It is time for last transformation.
Another small correction. The statement is partially OK. For some, it has passed- who have already experienced high stage. For them it is not necessary. But, it will be beneficial to others. Of course, by self effort- continuous remembering ALAF (Father) and BEY (PROPERTY), even the need of Murlis would reduce for any soul.

Baba has also said- now the time is not even to take a high jump, it is time to fly- if you leave from here, you stand on the final goal. So- your point is also right. If you like, better you can write "Time of Murlis have passed. It is time to catch the essence" Just a suggestion to a great King Rajayogi soul.

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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by shivshankar » 13 Nov 2016

mbbhat wrote:The dot-Dot concept came later, mostly after one to two decades.
And- its significance never diminished after that, to date.

Another small correction. The statement is partially OK. For some, it has passed- who have already experienced high stage. For them it is not necessary. But, it will be beneficial to others. Of course, by self effort- continuous remembering ALAF (Father) and BEY (PROPERTY), even the need of Murlis would reduce for any soul.

Baba has also said- now the time is not even to take a high jump, it is time to fly- if you leave from here, you stand on the final goal. So- your point is also right. If you like, better you can write "Time of Murlis have passed. It is time to catch the essence" Just a suggestion to a great King Rajayogi soul.
Yes. Now the main parts will completely merge in One, as there will be no bodies as well as egos. Those who have to stay here in corporeal form, according to their roles, also will realise Unity, and will reform this material world in accordance with that experience. So it is time to leave all concepts which contains any form of duality. Even soul and Supreme Soul is just a concept in the mind. This concept may and should be replaced with direct realisation of Unity.

There is no time for researching Murlis now. There is only enough time to get ready for mukti and jeevan-mukti, as nobody knows whether they will continue to stay in this body or not. This one is ready, as he found out Unity through actual experience, which also has no opportunity to die or stop being. So you can just believe this information, if you like, or discover It yourself by experience of same, if you wish.

Оr continue to carry out the 'shooting' of writing the Scriptures of the Path of Devotion - that is your choice, as per Drama. (this has been added by RESPONSE, but I don't mind) ;-)


= RESPONSE =
BKWSU SM, Revised 16.12.2016 wrote:They think that God, Himself, becomes worthy-of-worship and a worshiper, that all are His divine activities, and that ALL are the Supreme Soul. This is the BIGGEST mistake.
When you state that, 'the main parts will completely merge in One', would that mean that ALL are the Supreme Soul?

Why do you think that the Supreme Soul DECLARES this to be the BIGGEST mistake?

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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by shivshankar » 24 Dec 2016

[color=#FF4000][b]RESPONSE[/b][/color] wrote:
"They think that God, Himself, becomes worthy-of-worship and a worshiper, that all are His divine activities, and that ALL are the Supreme Soul. This is the BIGGEST mistake."
BKWSU SM, Revised 16.12.2016

When you state that, 'the main parts will completely merge in One', would that mean that ALL are the Supreme Soul?

Why do you think that the Supreme Soul DECLARES this to be the BIGGEST mistake?
Indeed you are asking to explain by words those things which could only be understood by realization. When you say "God" or even "Supreme Soul", you have in mind some concept which may be a picture or a thought or something else. So, for example, devotees of Krishna think that God was born 5000 years ago here on Earth. Also they think that he is in every living being in the form of Supreme Soul. All these are false concepts. Even Supreme Soul and souls are just concepts. The reality is that there is only One Actor in This Drama. But clear knowledge of how One is becoming many and how this "many" starts to consider themselves to be separated may be realized only by self experience, not by reading or thinking or something else. This Realization or Experience lies beyond thoughts, words and conceptions.

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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by cal » 25 Dec 2016

Dear Shivshankar,

I think I understand the concept of April Fool.
But why April? Why not any other month?

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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by shivshankar » 26 Dec 2016

cal wrote:Dear Shivshankar,
I think I understand the concept of April Fool.
But why April? Why not any other month?
When you will understand the concept of "I" then your task will be done.
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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by cal » 26 Dec 2016

Dear brother Shivshankar,

It is OK to say I don't know, if you don't know; like in your case.

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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by shivshankar » 26 Dec 2016

cal wrote:Dear Brother Shivshankar,
It is OK to say I don't know, if you don't know; like in your case.
Namaste! It will happen in some cases. It is OK to play your role as it is written.
If you don't have any questions, please do not hesitate to not spend time for useless chats. It won't benefit either you or others.
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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by cal » 28 Dec 2016

Dear Shivshankar,

Sorry if I wasted your TIME. I thought you were ETERNAL!

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Post by shivshankar » 28 Dec 2016

))) Your body is not eternal. You are wasting your time.

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Re: Flaws in BK and PBK Knowledge

Post by cal » 29 Dec 2016

Everything (including matter) is eternal. It is just transformed from one form to another. I don't mind wasting my time to teach you thermodynamics.

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