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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 10 Nov 2016

# Were the two PBK sisters controlling B Baba and Mama or got influenced by his wealth from 1942 till 1947?

By defending lies, PBKs are speaking more lies. PBKs believe- many children had been influenced by wealth of B Baba. From their words, it almost implies that- in their view- their two mothers too had been influenced by wealth of B Baba and stayed in BKWSU, and did not follow Sevakram.
1) Now- if in PBK view- the two sisters had been influenced by wealth of B Baba, how come they controlling entire Yagya including B Baba and Mama?
2) Ridiculous thing is- PBKs believe Sevakram was lowkik partner of B Baba in his business. So- he too would be wealthy, is it not?]
sita wrote:We believe he left along with his own group.
3) Good. Anyhow- PBKs have to say- their own mothers did not follow him either physically or even intellectually.

4) Now- How many would have been left Yagya with Sevakram in 1942?- just a guess- only hand counts, 10s, or in 100s?
----Why- in the re-entry(1969 Sept), Sevakram had been alone? It took nearly more than a decade for others to join their Father during his re-entry?!

4) But, if we take the PBK data, in his re-entry, Mr. Dixit first came to contact of his the same weak cowardice mothers- Premkanta, KD, etc (whom they believe do not come in Sun Dynasty). So- again in re-entry as well, he was not with his group?
----Even in the beginning incident, he had been with cowardice mothers only!

5) Further- it seems that- it is not that mothers came to him. Mr Dixit chased(wandered to find/fix) mothers to invent new philosophy.

# Flaw No. 425) "In PBK view"- During the first entry- BK soul approaches PBK soul, but in the second entry- PBk souls approach BK souls!:-

6) ) If we see the PBk philosophy- in the first case (1936)- PBKs depict Sevakram as a King, - being seated in his own home, whereas Lekhraj Kirpalani approaches him to seek clarification. Even it was the PBK mothers who had to wander a little bit- they had to convey the message from Lekhraj Kirpalani to SEvakram.
7) But, in his re-entry after 1969 Sept- Dixit approaches towards BKWSU, seeking knowledge! Does it logically look good?
----And- Mr Dixit then wandered gali2 in search of mothers, got one Premkanta, she left in 1983, then took another one - KD, then in 1998, even she left, ...

8) If we see the state of the PBK King, what could be said?

But, in case of the BK King, Lekhraj Kirpalani need not had to wander much. He wandered only for few days just in the beginning to his lowkik Guru. But, then slowly and slowly, he got everything from God himself.
----Even God used the two sisters to teach drill to Lekhraj Kirpalani and Om Radhe at his own house. So- even the two PBK sisters (whom PBKs claim as sometimes great- sometimes cowardice) - served the BK King/leader.
-----And- we know what happens in Conf. Age, would take place in broad drama. Even today- PBKs have to follow BK Murlis.
Who is following whom? - :sad:

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 10 Nov 2016

Regarding the souls eaten by Maya, there is a proverb, that those who die on the battlefield attain heaven. In the Brahmin life the battle is with Maya. Even if one dies in one's life of battling with Maya, he will get such a birth that will lead him to heaven.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 11 Nov 2016

# Flaw No. 426) PBKs inadvertently imply- Mr Dixit will attain one of the worst stage - "in their own view":-

PBKs go against Murli points, and once again claim failure is good!***
sita wrote:Regarding the souls eaten by Maya, there is a proverb, that those who die on the battlefield attain heaven. In the Brahmin life the battle is with Maya. Even if one dies in one's life of battling with Maya, he will get such a birth that will lead him to heaven.
1) Who has denied it? Such souls will definitely come to Silver Age.

2) BTW- the different proverbs are-

a) In the battle filed, one who is killed by God (one who would be fighting against God*) attains the highest stage - MOKSHA.
b) In the battle filed - one who wins is a great person. - next position
c) In the battle filed, one who is killed by others attains heaven. - third position
d) In the battle filed, one who runs away - is highest fault, most weakness, and will attain the worst stage.

3) Mr Dixit had run away from the battle filed. So- in this view- PBKs imply Mr Dixit will attain worst stage! as per 2d)

* - In scripture, it is shown as demons fight against God, and if they are killed by God, they will attain moksha. But, actual meaning is- God will not kill us. We should kill ourselves from body-consciousness, and such a weapon/education can be given by only God.

***4) - Baba says- the death from Maya - is the worse death. But, PBKs interpret as if it is beneficial! - this is another proof for saying the intellect of PBksis inverted.

a)SM 27-1-82(3):- Ishwar ke paas janm ley, phir mar jaaye to yah mowth sabse kharaab hai. KOYI BAATH RIGHT NA LAGE TO CHOD DO. SAMSHAY PADTAA HAI TO NA DEKHO. Baba kahte hain manmanaabhav. -35- [PBKs, sp]

= To take birth in God, and then die, is thw worst death.

b) SM 3-8-83(1):- Baap ko kab chodnaa naheen hai. Parantu srimath par Yaad naheen karte hain toh phir Maya haath chudaa deti hai. Godh toh lee. Shuru se chaltey aaye. Achche2 bade meethay bachche jinko Vijaymala may 3-4 number may rakhthay thay vah bhee aashcharyavath bhaaganti ho gaye. Yah bhee is Sangamyug kaa rasam rivaaz hai. Aashscharyavath sunanti, kathanti, maranti. Vah hota rahegaa. Kahenge drama may yah inkaa mowth thaa. Baap ke ban_kar phir haath chodaa goyaa mar gayaa. Hai toh bhal is duniyaa may, parantu jeete ji is duniyaa se nikal_kar asuri duniyaa may chalaa gayaa. Koyi kaaran toh bantaa hai na. Bhal kahenge drama. -108 [PBKs, warning]

= You should not leave the Father. But, if you do not remember as per srimath, Maya takes away your hand (from baba). Some have taken lap of Father. They had been since from the beginning. Very good and sweet children whom baba had placed in 3rd and 4th number in Viajay_Mala, even they became bhaaganti (left out). This is also a tradition in Conf. Age. Aashcharyavanti(comeing with surprise), sunanti(listening), kathanti(speaking to others), maranti(dying)- this will be happening. It is then said that in drama, there had been such a death....


c) But, there is also a Murli point- which says- even if one indulges in vices, if he then puts teevr purushaarth (excellent effort), he can attain high status.

5) But, to claim such failed souls will go ahead of the real maatpita, and hijacking their seats, claiming such failed souls are the number one souls- very next to God, etc, etc, - how funny it is! Only fools can believe it.

6) Moreover- Baba has also said- Sun and Moon may get into eclipse, but will not break (toot naheen saktey). But- bhaagantis are definitely one who had broken (toot gaye na!- sirf grahan naheen kagaa thaa- lost faith itself, and went to the outside world, left Yagya).

SM 16-10-77(1):- Yahaan tum harek apney 21 janmon ke liye praarabdh banate ho. TUM Mama BABA SE BHI OONCH JAA SAKTEY HO. PARANTU VIVEK KAHTAA HAI Mama BABA SE OOPAR KOYI JAA NAHIN SAKTEY. Bhal soory, chaand ko grahan lagtaa hai, parantu vah toot nahin saktey. Taarey toot padtey hain. Baba kahte hain mere laadley bachche- main tum bachchon ko kyon nahin Yaad karoongaa. ..- 65 [= SM 19-9-82(1)] [number one, WOT, SP, soory]

= ....Of course, sun and moon may get into stages of eclipse, but cannot break(fall)...

7) Coming under eclipse means becoming affected by Maya to some extent, not to the extent of losing its path or faith. But, in PBK view- all the three had lost their path in the beginning for decades, and even their KD has lost her path from 1998 till date. It is not eclipse, Eclipse would be for short duration.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 11 Nov 2016

# Flaw No. 427) Regarding advertisement for service:-

PBKs claim they do not believe in advertising, and criticize BKs for doing advertising in service*. But, the Murli point itself says-

1) SM 24-5-79(1):- Mool baat hee hai pavan ban_ne ki. 84 ka chakr samjhana bhi sahaj hai. Chitr dekhne se hi nishchay baith jata hai. Isliye Baba hamesha kahte rahte hain museum kholo bhabhke se. To manushyon ko bhabhkaa kheenchega. Bahut aavenge. Tum yahee sunaavenge. Hum Baap ki srimat par yah ban rahe hain.

2) SM 16-11-82(2, 3):- OONCH PAD PAANAA HAI TOH ADVERTISEMENT KARNI PADEY. NAHIN TOH ULHANAA DENGE. ISLIYE AKHBAAR MAY DAALTEY HAIN. APNAA CHITR AUR MUKHY BAATEIN LIKHNI HAI. Trimurti, GOLAA BHI DAALNAA HAI. Bharat- THE HEAVEN, Bharat THE HELL. AB BABA DIRECTION DE RAHE HAIN. AGAR KOYI Murli MISS KAR DE TOH DIRECTION KA PATAA NAHIN PADEGAA. MADADGAAR BAN NAHIN SAKENGE. BABA POOCHTEY RAHTEY HAIN YAH MATTER TAIYYAR KIYAA? Serviceable bachchon ki jahaan tahaan mahimaa hoti hai. Koyi2 bahut tang karte hain. Deh abhimaani ban jaate hain. CENTER KE HEAD BANEY. DEH ABHIMAAN AAYAA, YAH MARAA. Baap ko kab ahankaar nahin aa saktaa. Baba kahte hain hum obedient servant hai. DEKHO YAHAAN BAHUT BADEY2 AADMI AATE HAIN. DEKHTE HAIN BARTAN HAATH MAY MAANJTAY HAIN TOH KHUD BHI MAANJNEY LAG PADTEY HAIN. Parantu koyi2 ko deh ahankaar aa jaataa hai. Thaali katoraa nahin saaf kar saktey hain. Aise deh abhimaan vale gir padtey hain. Apnaa akalyaan kar baith_tay hain. -88, 89- [service, chitr, test, warning, PBKs]

= To get high status, you should advertise. Else, people will complain. ...

3) SM 16-11-82(3):- Tumhaarey may bhi haddi gyaan bahut thodon may hai. JINKO GYAAN KAA NASHAA CHADHAA HUVAA HAI VAH APNI RAAY NIKAALTEY RAHTEY HAIN. SLOGAN KI SAMJHAANI BHI LIKHNI PADEY. Dilli (=Delhi), Bambayi (=Mumbai) may bahut samjhoo bachche hain. Jinko bahuton ka parichay hai, vah yah kaam kar saktey hain. EDITORS KO BULAANAA CHAAHIYE. UNHON KE HAATH MAY BAHUT HOTA HAI. Half daam may deve, quarter daam may deve. Religious baatein free bhi daal saktey hain. Baba raay dete hain is Shiv Jayantyi ko bahut dhoom dhaam se manaayaa jaay. AISEE PRERANAA AAYI HAI. KHARCHEY KA HARJAA NAHIN. Akhbaar may padhney se bahut nikal aayenge. 4 page akhbaar ka lo. MATTER BANAAKAR DAALO. RANGEEN CHITR CHAPAAVO. RANGEEN WEEKLY CHOTI HOTI HAI. ISMEY CHITR BADEY CLEAR CHAAHIYE. BABA SERVICEABLE BACHCHON KO RAAY DETE HAIN AUR SERVICEABLE BACHCHE HI RESPOND KARENGE. IDEA LIKHENGE, MATTER TAIYYAR KARENGE. ALAG MATTER CHAPAAKAR AKHBAAR KE SAATH BHEJ SAKTEY HAIN. VAH BHI AKHBAARVAALON SE PRABANDH KARAA SAKTEY HAIN. AKHBAAR KE ANDAR PARCHAA DAAL DENGE. AAGE AISE ALAG KAAGAZ CHAPAAKAR DOOSRON KI ADVERTISE KA AKHBAAR MAY DAAL DETE THAY. PURUSHAARTH KARNEY SE SAB HO SAKTAA HAI. NAHIN TO SABKO MAALOOM KAISE PADEY Trimurti SHIV JAYANTI HAI KA. Pradarshani bhi 7 roz chalti hai. Shiv Jayanti ka toh ek din hai. Vah dhoom dhaam se manaanaa hai. Achchaa. -89- [service, raay, preranaa, LM, Jayanti, WOT]

* - But, PBKs themselves advertise in many ways- like putting lots of posters in roads, in trains, etc.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 14 Nov 2016

# Flaw No. 428) PBKs got trapped in their own LIMITED and UNLIMITED SENSES!:-

SM 21-12-70(3):- Aim Object toh Baap bataa dete hain. Purusharth karna bachchon ka kaam hai. Tab hi itna oonch pad paa sakenge. Koyi ulta sulta sankalp vikalp na aaye. Baap hai knowledge ke sagar. Hadh behad se paar. Sabhi baith samjhate hain. Tum samajhte ho Baba humko dekhte hain. Parantu hum to Hadh behad se paar chala jaataa hun. Main rahnevala bhi vahaan kaa hun. Tum bhi hadh behad se paar chale jaavo. Sankalp vikalp kuch bhi na aave. Ismay mehnat chaahiye.

= Father gives aim object. It is for children to do effort. Then only (you) can attain such a high status. No ulta-sulta(wrong) thought should come. Father is ocean of knowledge- beyond limited and unlimited. Father sits and explains everything. You think (when giving drsuthi) Baba sees(gazes) us. BUT I GO BEYOND LIMITED and UNLIMITED. YOU ALSO GO BEYOND LIMITED AND UNLIMITED. Let no sankalp or vikalp(ripples, thoughts) come. There is need of effort in this.

PBKs usually claim - BKs take or understand the meaning of Murli points only in limited ways, whereas they understand in unlimited sense and interpret the Murli points according to their need.
But, Baba says- I go beyond limited and unlimited, you too go beyond them. Now- PBKs have got stuck just to their so-called unlimited sense just like they have got caught here - Flaw No. 332 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51832&hilit ... ass#p51832

So- PBKs believe their aim is just to unlimited sense, not beyond that. If there is something beyond and they claim that is the most important one, let us see how much importance PBKs or their Guru have given to it in his so-called clarification classes, literature or blogs.

[Sorry for posting the above Murli pooint at two places, but since the Murli points says about two issues- drushti as well as limited-unlimited, it is OK to put at two respective places. ]

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 14 Nov 2016

So- PBKs believe their aim is just to unlimited sense, not beyond that.
Our aim is to become from a man to Narayan and for that we have to reach first subtle and then incorporeal stage.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 15 Nov 2016

sita wrote:Our aim is to become from a man to Narayan and for that we have to reach first subtle and then incorporeal stage.
1) PBKs inadvertently believe - their own Chariot is never going to experience a state that is higher than unlimited.
PBKs believe- when one becomes pure, all become pure,. And- till that period, a ghost rides, controls, and misuses Mr. Dixit and they believe till almost end of the Kalpa, that is going to continue.

2) In PBK view- physical Paramdham is not practical, but just a silly one, and remembering it or trying to feel it has no sense. They even do not hesisate to speak lie and say- the physical Paramdham is imaginary- as if it does not exist at all!

3) So- any remembrance of a PBKs is always attached with body of Mr Dixit which they can claim to the maximum extent as unlimited only. Not beyond that.

If possible, let PBKs first define what is limited, what is unlimited at least in their view before claiming something else.

4)BK view- Limited and Unlimited means beginning of Kalpa - Golden Age (limited population), and unlimited means end of Kalpa - maximum population - Iron Age or Conf. Age, (as baba has said- Conf. Age is also included in the Iron Age) -

The one that is beyond these two is Paramdham- as well as being in sakshi stage (drama- the absolute truth). being in the eternal things, without having any feeling of corporeal things- like point of light soul, point of light God as well as the eternal physical sweet silence home Paramdham is beyond limited and unlimited.

In Bk view- thinking of just body is limited, thinking of soul in body is unlimited, and thinking just soul is beyond limited and unlimited- totally free. Similar contrasts can be given with many examples.

5) But, in PBK view- just point of light or point of light in Paramdham- all these have no value.

Mostly PBKs say/imply- God in Dixit is unlimited. They do not give any importance to either just point of light Shiv or just Dixit.
Now- if PBKs claim God in Dixit is the highest- beyond limited and unlimited, then what is UNLIMITED in their view? Can they explain? They are caught in their own trap again and again.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 16 Nov 2016

They even do not hesisate to speak lie and say- the physical Paramdham is imaginary- as if it does not exist at all!
I advise you to get information only from the classes and literature on the site, because there are various PBKs who say various things. We believe it is important to feel Paramdham, and Baba has directed to bring Paramdham down to this world. To bring the silence and peace of there - here, so we will be able to experience this.

Limited is used for the outside world and it is said unlimited Brahmin world. From the outside world we come to the brahmin world. Then we have to go beyond that. Baba has said about iron chains and golden chains. Before becoming a deity, one has to become an angel, who does not have any connection with this world.

The explanation about remembering only a point is good. Baba has also said that this is the best form of remembrance, only a point, one should not remember even the face.

It is also said about kalateet - beyond celestial degrees. Deities are 16 celestial degrees pure and their purity decreases like the increasing eclipse on the moon. At the Confluence Age we are in ascending stage, we become like the sun that our purity cannot be eclipsed.

You can also say corporeal is limited, subtle is unlimited and incorporeal is beyond.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 19 Nov 2016

# Flaw No. 429) A PBK now openly admits- "Various PBKs say various things" (of which some could be misleading too) :-
sita wrote:I advise you to get information only from the classes and literature on the site, because there are various PBKs who say various things.
1) PBKs on one hand, say- they listen to only one Father, and follow only one. Now- they say/imply- better not to listen to all the PBKs! - :sad:

2) So- to what purpose the vaachaa service (service through words) of PBKs is to be followed - "in their own view??? l" ?!

They also claim- their Father is strict and PBKs do not cross srimath, but it is BKs who cross srimath- by saying- "BKs have crossed srimath by making many different pictures and books/literature, etc"
But- if we see practically,- their own members have committed deeper mistakes- because PBKs have changed the Murli points as well as the core theory itself. For example-
arjun wrote: - viewtopic.php?f=37&t=315&p=35886&hilit=imaginary#p35886

hen why are you interested in making incorporeal Shiv+subtle Mama revealed to the world through the body of Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit? Now, don't say that others are body conscious. When you cannot cause the revelation of Shiv-Shakti without a physical body how can you expect others to see incorporeal in an imaginary subtle body?


3) A very senior PBK soul brother arjun has written this. He clearly says/implies subtle body does not exist at all?!
arjun wrote: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=492&p=34951&hilit=imaginary#p34951

I have already stated that letter of faith (nishchay patra) is required to be submitted as per the directions given in Sakar Murlis. It is not a new invention of Advanced Knowledge. Those who do not want to give nishchay patra can stay at home until they develop faith. Nobody is forcing them to give nishchay patra and do bhatti. ShivBaba has clearly stated in Sakar Murlis that He will meet only His children. And His children are those who have complete faith in Him (i.e. in His practical corporeal form and not just as an imaginary point of light or an angel like Mama whom the above Member believes to be ShivBaba's form).
4) So- in PBK view- even point of light God or a soul is/are just imaginary, not exist at all???!

5) Beloved innocent arjun soul has even written on this forum - imaginary Paramdham. So- in their view- even the physical Paramdham is imaginary, Soul World do not exist at all?!

PBKs should have had at least some common sense before writing on the highest titles- Almighty, EverTruth, EverPure God, eternal soul, eternal world Paramdham, etc- is it not?
Arjun soul could have had written as - not just as point of light - why the word imaginary there?

This again proves the hatredness of PBKs towards most pure, incorporeal entities, and their negligence,which just expose their own stupidity, is it not?

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6) OK- if you believe the PBK blog contains everything, and all the data in relevant ways, you again failed, as already shown to you at several places.
If we see- AT MOST IMPORTANT PLACES- THE PBK BLOG DOES NOT GIVE ANY PRACTICAL EXPLANATION, AT ALL. Sorry to say this obvious truth dear soul.

Post No. 404 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=52083&hilit ... sly#p52083

Error No. 04 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2593#p48745 . The PBk blog also had been saying- the DOB of Mr Dixit as 1st Feb 1942.
Others had to point such great errors in their website. So- what is the value of either the PBK Guru, the so called gyaani tu atmas, or their blogs and literature?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 20 Nov 2016

better not to listen to all the PBKs!
Better not listen to any PBK. Every PBK will tell you this. Listen to one only. You have to always cross check against Shrimat whatever any BK or PBK says.
PBKs do not cross srimath
No one has ever claimed that. If we followed Shrimat completely that moment destruction would come. But we don't cross Shrimat of begging for money, keeping photo of Brahma, indulging in drishti among themselves, changing the pictures. It does not mean that one is not free to churn and share his opinion. You can see in discussion that souls even openly oppose whatever Baba says and he discusses with them in a very open and patient way. Baba has said in the Murli that we should write down our churning and send them to Baba and this is a help. But, as far as I have observed souls are more impressed with what Baba has said than with what this and that one has said.

It is true that some groups have also emerged that have created their own interpretations and they have their own Gods, but this is nothing new. Baba has said that everyone has a gift by birth to use, an intellect to judge what is right and wrong.
3) A very senior PBK soul Brother arjun has written this. He clearly says/implies subtle body does not exist at all?!
4) So- in PBK view- even point of light God or a soul is/are just imaginary, not exist at all???!
5) Beloved innocent arjun soul has even written on this forum - imaginary Paramdham. So- in their view- even the physical Paramdham is imaginary, Soul World do not exist at all?!
It is disappointing you are taking this course in discussion of such cheap misinterpretation. Is it said that the souls, the subtle body, Paramdham does not exist? Certainly not. It means that to imagine just a point of light means nothing. What is the proof the soul we imagine is the Supreme Soul? All souls are points of lights alike. Souls can be recognized only when they enter a body.

In the Murli it is said that the Subtle Region is nothing. It does not mean it does not exist. Subtle bodies of souls do exist. The Subtle Region is created in the Confluence Age through the knowledge, whilst the souls have been wandering in their subtle bodies for centuries. The subtle body is the vibration of a particular soul. If a soul leaves a body in an untimely death, it leaves in stress and wonders in its subtle body. It does not get a new body straight away. The point that is made is that the Subtle Region that is referred to in the knowledge and that the BK imagine to be somewhere cannot be located, because we cannot imagine it in a particular place. When we think about the Subtle Region where is our mind going? Subtle Region is shown to be above this corporeal world between this corporeal world and Paramdham. So it is everywhere around this world. If we go up above this corporeal world, we will reach that. We can reach that with our stage of thinking and churning when it detaches from the corporeal world and resides in the matters of the knowledge and matters of world service.

Same is with Paramdham. It is not that Paramdham does no exist. It is everywhere above this corporeal world. The point is that for the sake of our concentration we need a particular object. The idea about the Subtle Region and Paramdham does not make our mind to concentrate, because it is a very general matter. We know they exist, but our mind does not get a direction. Baba has also said that to remember up above is a path of Bhakti and the Shudra community remember up above. It is because Brahmins know that the Supreme Soul has come in Brahma and he is here in this corporeal world. It is easy to concentrate our mind on a particular object of this corporeal world, because there is a definite name, form, time, place, acts about that, through which we remember.


= RESPONSE =

The 'mukrar-rath' of Ravan, himself, not only DECEPTIVELY BEGS for money, by TREACHEROUSLY TRICKING the BLIND, Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that he is the 'mukrar-rath' of God, but he ALSO DECEPTIVELY BEGS for Purity from the INNOCENT & IGNORANT 'kanyas' or spinsters, by DECEIVING them to PHYSICALLY COPULATE with him, giving them the FALSE impression that 'ShivBaba' is within him, performing the PRACTICAL ACT of Shankar, through which they would be able to conquer lust and remain stable in the remembrance of 'ShivBaba', and become pure naturally and quickly. However, his principal mate, with whom he has physically copulated EXTENSIVELY, and who is STILL considered to be THEIR 'JagadAmba', by the BLIND, Unrighteous children, left him, and continues to indulge in Spiritual PROSTITUTION & WHOREDOM, to date, while the BLIND, Unrighteous children STILL consider that this WorldMother of THEIRS is involved in purifying the impure children of the outer World!

The BLIND, Unrighteous children are ALSO TREACHEROUSLY & DECEPTIVELY TRICKED into constantly viewing the photo of THEIR 'Prajapita Brahma', MASQUERADING as 'Shankar', 'ShivBaba', etc., through the various VCD s, and keeping same imprinted on the SCREEN of their MINDS & 'Sanskars' - INSTEAD of Remembering REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, the WAY HE ACTUALLY is - a POINT source of Luminous, Spiritual Light Energy.

The BLIND, Unrighteous children are ALSO TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED into taking the 'dhristi' from their bodily 'guru', (who has PROVED himself to be a MALE Spiritual PROSTITUTE, through his PRACTICAL ACTIONS, and who is ACTUALLY the 'mukrar-rath' of Ravan, MASQUERADING as 'ShivBaba'), DELUSIVELY considering him to be the 'mukrar-rath' of God, through which process, they CONTINUE to carry out the 'shooting' of the Path of Spiritual Prostitution & Whoredom of Ravan Rajya, in the Confluence Age - ALL, PERFECTLY, AS PER DRAMA PLAN - PERFECTLY ORDAINED WITHIN THIS EWD PLAY - NOTHING NEW AT ALL - AND NOTHING TO BE PERTURBED ABOUT, BUT ONLY TO BE UNDERSTOOD IN THE CORRECT PERSPECTIVE, BY CONCERNED SOULS, INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF ACTUAL WORLD BENEFIT, ALONG WITH REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God!

The BLIND, Unrighteous children ALSO continue to CONSTANTLY change the 'PICTURES' of their DISTORTED & PERVERTED CONCEPTS of their DEGRADED IDEOLOGY of Ravan Rajya, by SLYLY & DECEPTIVELY DODGING the Pure, UNADULTERATED Versions of God, in the SMs & AVs, like VICIOUS SNAKES and VIPERS - without even REAL-EYEsing what they are ACTUALLY doing, and without even being aware of the DIRE CONSEQUENCES for which they are become spiritually liable!

ALL the above MALPRACTICES of the Godly Form or 'Ishwariya Rup' of Ravan or Maya, PRACTICALLY PERFORMED through the 'mukrar-rath' of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the 'mukrar-rath' of God, in the SUBTLE SEED form within respective souls, are REFLECTED in the SUBTLE ROOT form within respective souls, and in the EVIDENT part of the TRUNK & respective BRANCHES of the VISIBLE TREE of the outer World, within respective souls!

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 21 Nov 2016

sita wrote:No one has ever claimed that.
FYKI, arjun soul had claimed it*. Anyhow, if you believe PBKs ALSO cross srimath, then why do PBKs accuse now and then, by saying- is this srimath, is that srimath- blah, blah, blah.

* - He had clearly said- personal dharna is something different than following srimath. According to him, creating pictures other than what Baba had said officially is against srimath, and like cutting or editing the Murlis, etc are against srimath, but personal dharna is not srimath, it is upto individual.
[I am not against this interpretation which discriminates between the philosophy/theory/knowledge and dharna(practical)].
But, just pointed that- PBKs have committed more such mistakes by giving erroneous statements**- since it is as good as creating false knowledge/philosophy itself.

** - the typing errors committed by PBKs and their Guru all fall in the same category, because the base/knowledge/foundation itself goes wrong. - Many such examples are already shown - tip of the iceberg - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2593
If we followed Shrimat completely that moment destruction would come. But we don't cross Shrimat of begging for money, keeping photo of Brahma, indulging in drishti among themselves, changing the pictures.
You have followed arjun in your own words, so, now hope you have understood the mistakes done by you.
Giving wrong statements by different PBKs is as good as creating false pictures.

# Flaw No. 430) PBKs do not know even language:-
It is disappointing you are taking this course in discussion of such cheap misinterpretation. Is it said that the souls, the subtle body, Paramdham does not exist? Certainly not. It means that to imagine just a point of light means nothing. What is the proof the soul we imagine is the Supreme Soul? All souls are points of lights alike. Souls can be recognized only when they enter a body.
Sorry, it is not cheap. It is very very valid. If you are saying imaginary point of light, it means you are implying - it does not exist in real sense. Do not PBKs understand even LANGUAGE?
If you BELIEVE PBKs are real gyaani tu atmas, they should not write the word - imaginary there. It is fully wrong. And- some ex PBKs too have been using the same word- at many places- proving their own ignorance and negligence.
In the Murli it is said that the Subtle Region is nothing....
Kindly note that- I have not said about Subtle Region. I have said about eternal souls and eternal Paramdham. There is room to add word "IMAGINARY" to Subtle Region. Because it is temporary (during Conf. Age) only, and, Baba has also said in both ways- Subtle Region exists as well as no. So, there is room to argue.
But, it is totally foolishness to add the word "IMAGINARY" to eternal entities.
Same is with Paramdham.
Sorry. you are again speaking lies. Physical Paramdham exists. It is eternal.
Or, if you believe even physical world does not exist throughout the Kalpa, then kindly express the same. Then it is OK.
---But, PBKs on one hand claim physical Paramdham really exists, (but they do not believe Subtle Region practically exists- they believe Shiv or even B baba after 1969 would be in some corporeal body all the 24 hours).

So- kindly make it clear what PBKs believe which really exist and which do not exist before putting their arguments- right?

# Flaw No. 431) PBKs inadvertently imply - Mr Dixit does not follow srimath:-
If we followed Shrimat completely that moment destruction would come. But we don't cross Shrimat of begging for money, keeping photo of Brahma, indulging in drishti among themselves, changing the pictures.
PBKs believe - "If one becomes pure, all become pure". Then obviously, Mr Dixit cannot accuse others for his mistakes. But, PBKs blame others.

If when one becomes pure, all become pure, then cause for any delay would be "that one" only. So- PBKs inadvertently imply- Mr Dixit is the real culprit!

Now what can be said regarding the srimath- "Follow Father". Should children follow such a Father?

Moreover- when one becomes pure, all become pure, then what is the need to follow the one?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 21 Nov 2016

It is true that this knowledge is for following and not for speaking and it will bring us benefit to as far as we implement it, not to as far as we understand it. Still we may not be able to put in practice everything at a time. We can know something is right without being able to reform that and reform it later on. The fact that we don't follow something or that we make mistakes does not mean we are blind to mistakes and don't have the right to point them. The problem lies with your inability to accept when you are wrong.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 22 Nov 2016

sita wrote:The problem lies with your inability to accept when you are wrong.
Good joke. I have already said- regarding role of Shankar - I am not fully sure, it is my guess work, yet to be known. But, with the help of Murli points, I have explained the topic to a great extent and have shown that it fits to Mama with the highest probability.

I hoped that at least you would have been honest in accepting the mistakes of PBKs. But, you again took U turn and keep on justifying their faults and also those of AIVV or their blogs. Good.

Those who have high ego of knowledge, will not be able to accept their faults. Some BKs accept the mistakes of BK leadership. But, PBKs have the highest ego of knowledge (with total ignorance as well). Hence they do not have ability to accept their clear faults even when it is fully visible. It is just proved once again. That is fine as per drama.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 23 Nov 2016

# Flaw No. 432) Does God give drushti (or teach drill) through Kamala Devi after 1983?

1) PBKs believe God used to teach drill to Mama, and B Baba through body of Kamala Devi (her previous birth)- from 1942 till 1947. (correct me if I am wrong)

So- if giving and receiving drushti through KD is permitted/suggested, do they believe the same is happening after 1983 too?
PBKs clearly say- God enters in KD from 1983 itself (after Premakant failed). Mostly they would claim God enters KD even after 1998 too (after she left AIVV).

2) If they like, they may express their view- did God ever entered Premkanta (till she failed).
----Did Premkanta too used to teach drill from 1976(?!) till she left AIVV?

3) Further, did God started to teach drill only from 1942 onwards? or was teaching drill through SEvakram had been there in Yagya till 942?
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# Flaw No. 433) PBKs once again prove that they are blowing air just to a balloon full of holes:-

PBKs unknowingly have issued another false certificate- "as per philosophy"
sita wrote: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2552&start=210#p52191 The BK world knows Brahma, but they don't know Shiv, because knowing Shiv does not mean knowing point of light, but his acts and he acts through three murtis. This point applies to the PBK world, where they know Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar, but Shivjayanti is yet to come.
4) PBKs believe real Brahma is Kamala Devi and not B Baba.
They claim the part of establishment is still happening through KD, not B Baba or B baba through KD only!
----Moreover- they believe there are 4/5 Brahmas.

5) But, PBKs certify that BK world knows about Brahma! How come? Are they in their proper sense? - ;-)

6) According to PBKs, knowing just about point of light, his role through B baba, etc, is NOT enough when understanding about Shiv. They believe there is need to understand/believe the role of Shiv through PBK personalities.
--- But, in case of Brahma, it is enough! there is no need to know roles in detail what PBKs themselves claim. - :sad:

7) See - how easily PBKs have fallen into trap of Mr Dixit, proving once again that they absolutely do not have slightest intellect of their own.

8) This is another evidence which shows - Mr Dixit has hatredness towards the title Brahma as well as MOTHER. - as already said.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 23 Nov 2016

PBKs clearly say- God enters in KD from 1983 itself.
Please, provide references about where do you have information about this claim. Has someone told you that off this forum, is there such claim in this forum, or is there such claim in any VCD, discussion or literature?
4) PBKs believe real Brahma is Kamala Devi and not B Baba.
To know the part of Shiv it is essential that the part through Brahma baba is known. We believe the Supreme Father played the role of mother through Brahma Baba and for Brahma Baba it is said that in reality he is Jagadamba. This role cannot be dismissed.

The roles of Brahma, Shankar and Vishnu are also played in the Sangamyug one after the other. From the other hand when Shiv comes he comes with Trimurti - the 3 personalities are there at the same time side by side. When the role through Brahma Baba was played, the other roles were not clear. Brahma Baba gave sustenance to the Yagya, through him we got the milk of knowledge, but apart from that it is also important to know the roles before and after that.

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