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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 24 Nov 2016

sita wrote:Please, provide references about where do you have information about this claim. Has someone told you that off this forum, is there such claim in this forum, or is there such claim in any VCD*, discussion or literature?
You have written in this forum that God is presently entering not only Virendra Dev Dixit, but also in KD. Moreover, PBKs sometimes claim God enters in all the 4/5, since they claim these all are Brahmas.
But, they also sometimes say- God enters only in two- Virendra Dev Dixit and KD. But, again it cannot be two. As they believe- God had entered into Lekhraj Kirpalani as well. So, already proved, PBK philosophy is just mutual contradictions- EVERYWHERE.

The point here is- PBKs believe from 1942 till 1947, God had used KD as instrument to give drushti/drill, etc. - RIGHT? So- is the same going to get repeated in their rebirth as well?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 24 Nov 2016

You have written in this forum that God is presently entering not only Veerendra Dev Dixit, but also in KD.
You lie. Show where I have said this.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 24 Nov 2016

sita wrote:You lie. Show where I have said this.
1) I will search of it. But, there is no need, as - you conveniently escape from replying to the point***- (but demand the same from the others).

A part of that had already been discussed in - flaw No. 362 till around 366 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51968&hilit=24+hours#p51932

Also- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51193&hilit=24+hours#p51193 - see your response to question 5a) there.

This question was put to you in flaw No. 378 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51968&hilit ... evi#p51968 But it seems that you did not show interest or courage to reply. Instead you like to accuse others- even when the reply could be just YES or No.
But- I am sorry that I have taken it for granted that you had said so.
But- read below.

2) Since PBKs believe Lekhraj Kirpalani misuses body of Mr Dixit, then obviously, Shiv could not be present in his body 24 hours a day- right??
3) Or if you like to say- God resides in Mr Dixit all the 24 hours, even when Lekhraj Kirpalani misuses his body, you may clearly say so in clear words- INSTEAD OF ACCUSING OTHERS GIVING VAGUE AND INCOMPLETE/HALF BAKED REPLIES.

3) So- IF PBKs BELIEVE body of Mr Dixit cannot be misused (while Shiv is present in it), then PBKs will have to give some other body to Shiv (at least during that time).
So- which is that body?

Obviously, I opted KD. - as PBKs claim Shiv enters two and the other is KD- what they usually point.
So- I do not think what I had written is not a great mistake. As it is not even a fraction of the mistakes and lies- what many PBK members here- including you have done

4) Still - if you believe I had told lie, AS IF PBKs believe- GOD DOES NOT ENTER PBK KAMALA DEVI- I once again suggest you to kindly express your views clearly- instead of accusing others- - in which body does SS Shiv would be residing whenever HE IS NOT PRESENT IN Mr. DIXIT?


5a) So- if you like to express YOUR VIEWS PROPERLY - (at least now)- kindly reply-
Does God reside in body of Mr. Dixit all* the 24 hours after 1969 Jan 18? or

5b)Also- Had God been in body of KD/AB (ADi Brahma = KD's previous birth) from 1942 till 1947 - all* the 24 hours a day and 365 days a year.

5c) And- did SS Shiv used to ride Lekhraj Kirpalani from 1947 till 1969 all* the 24 hours a day and 365 days a year???

5d) Also- do you believe God enters in others- virgins sister Vedanti, Om Radhe?
If not- how can they be called as Brahma in "PBK view"
???



* - Of course, Shiv can enter any child for small period to bring benefit of the person in case the child doing service is weak. This duration would be negligible, so can be neglected. [If you believe otherwise, kindly explain appropriately - if you wish
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*** - 6) Actually - - I had written the words - (correct me if I am wrong) in the same point in (point = No. 01) -
mbbhat in flaw No. 432 wrote: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&start=945#p52205 .
1) PBKs believe God used to teach drill to Mama, and B Baba through body of Kamala Devi (her previous birth)- from 1942 till 1947. (correct me if I am wrong)

So- if giving and receiving drushti through KD is permitted/suggested, do they believe the same is happening after 1983 too?
PBKs clearly say- God enters in KD from 1983 itself (after Premakant failed). Mostly they would claim God enters KD even after 1998 too (after she left AIVV).
Actually, my intention was to write it (correct me if I am wrong) in the third line, but in hurry it had been put in the first line.
The so-called Gyani tu atmas- could have had seen it properly before accusing.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 24 Nov 2016

We believe the Supreme souls enters all the 4,5 lakhs souls who attain soul conscious stage.

If you like to prove the drill to Mama and Baba is still going on you can say it is going on through the color of the company through entering.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 25 Nov 2016

sita wrote:We believe the Supreme souls enters all the 4,5 lakhs souls who attain soul conscious stage.
1) Incomplete reply*. [But, thank you for the information.] The point of argument was about only about the 4/5 personalities - whom PBKs officially declare as Brahmas. So- if you like to share or discuss, better to be honest and reply properly to -

Did and does Supreme Soul Shiv enter/entered KD from 1983?
Is he entering KD after 1998 also?
If you like to prove the drill to Mama and Baba is still going on you can say it is going on through the color of the company through entering.
2) Again wrong argument and a clear failure.
BKs do not believe Mama and B baba need to be taught drill later.
It is PBKs who believe clarification role had been in the beginning through Sevakram- and is still happening through Mr. Dixit in the second episode.
----- So- in PBK view- since they claim teaching of drill happened through KD/AB in the beginning, has it repeated in AIVV to PBKs or to BKs or to anyone??
PBKs usually like to claim/boast using the Murli point- "aadi aak part so anth = the part in the beginning will be repeated in the end".

So- the ball lies in the court of PBKs to explain or prove what they claim- right dear?

3) Moreover- no PBK has attempted to reply to other points. But, it is OK, as it shows their ability to reply.
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*4) Actually, you should have said 4.5 lakh souls plus one (title holder Prajapita)- right? - (see you do many mistakes like this and accuse others).

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 25 Nov 2016

# Flaw No. 434) PBKs inadvertently imply - Mr. Dixit is not the first soul in Advance Party:-
Mr. Dixit c/o arjun wrote: - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203&p=37116&hilit=p ... rty#p37116 (Someone said something) Yes, three groups of the Advance Party have been mentioned. One is the inspiriting party. Souls like Brahma, Saraswati, Manmohini Didi who have left their bodies, the physical bodies and are playing the part of inspiriting now by entering some Brahmin children, i.e. they are performing the task of filling them with zeal and enthusiasm. Second are the souls in which they enter. They are the souls with a planning intellect, the Engineers. So, it is not that you have to explain only to those who belong to the engineer group of the Rudramala. No. Engineers are not able to do anything. An engineer will prepare the blueprint of the house, he will understand it and explain (about the plan), but if he is asked to build the house, he will not be able to lift even a brick. So, who is required for that? The practical party.
1) PBKs fail to explain properly about the 4.5 lakh souls whom they claim to be of Advance Party.

2) PBKs also claim there are three sub parties (or categories) in Advance Party. - namely planning party(2.25 lakh PBKs), practical party (2.25 lakh BK souls whom they claim in the end will come to AIVV with sister Vedanti leading) and inspiring party (subtle bodied souls).

3) PBKs believe the inspiriting party souls enter into bodies of planning party.
Now- if the inspiriting souls are also taken into account, the total figure in the Advance Party would cross 4.5 lakhs

Further logically speaking, there should be 2.25 lakh inspiriting party- right? (if we take one to one )

4)SM 14-11-78(3):- Yahaan toh amma marey toh bhi halvaa khaavo, beebi marey toh bhi halvaa khaavo. Royenge, peetenge nahin. Drama par mazbooth rahnaa chaahiye. Mama, Baba BHI JAAVENGE, ANANY BACHCHE BHI ADVANCE MAY JAAVENGE. Part toh bajaanaa hee hai. Ismey fikar ki kyaa baath hai? Saakshi hokar hum khel dekhte hain.

= ...Mama, Baba also will go, Anany (usually indicated to the very best) children also will go in advance...

The above Murli point says- Mama and B baba are most prominent personalities in Advance Party. But- in PBK view- it is otherwise.

5) Most important point is- Mama had left body in 1965 itself. So- in PBK view- she should had gone to the PBK Advance Party in 1965 itself.
(Mostly) They believe soul of Mama resides in body of sister Vedanti 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
So- in PBK view- the first seed/soul in their Advance Party is sister Vedanti- not Mr. Dixit!

Mr. Dixit got always a second class position. Mr. Dixit did lots of juggling exercises to project himself as the hero of drama, and used others as just scapegoat, but he himself fell into the pit. What a pity! - :sad:

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 25 Nov 2016

So you say that Mama left her body before Brahma Baba, so she went ahead of Brahma Baba and she is number one and Brahma Baba is number two?

"Although Mama does not have a body, she continues to make efforts. She goes out on service. She enters into the bodies of children and shows the way to the sinful to become pure." (22-7-72 pg-2)

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 26 Nov 2016

# Flaw No. 435) More examples - when they fail to reply- they like to stir and mix up the points:-
sita wrote:So you say that Mama left her body before Brahma Baba, so she went ahead of Brahma Baba and she is number one and Brahma Baba is number two**?
1) PBKs are caught in their own clutches. It shows more of foolishness of PBKs.
BKs are not bothered whether B baba is number 1 or 2.
Sometimes Baba keeps B Baba ahead, sometimes Mama. There are also Murli points which say- Mama takes more property even than B Baba*.
But, there are also Avyakt Murli points which say- B Baba had kept Mama and children ahead of him, but he himself is number one.

Mostly - Mama came to Gyan later, even after some Dadis. But, BKs are not bothered about the physical aspects like PBKs.

2) It is PBKs who are bothered about the physical aspects more than BKs. PBKs claim first entrance of ShivBaba had happened in Bengal. Even if Murli point says the same thing about Sindh, PBKs can neither accept nor digest it. - Flaw No. 135 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51005&hilit=Sindh#p51005

So- better try to understand the question properly, and reply in PBK view, as well as in BK view- separately, instead of trying to mix up the things.
But, mostly PBKs have no other option, as instead of attempting to reply to the point, they are now going out of the track.

3) So- it is a humiliation to PBKs and their Guru - to see that - "in their own view" - Advance Party had started in 1965 itself, but Mr Dixit was in Kumbhkarana sleep, playing role of thorn. - :laugh:

4) And- the PBKs lose their grip on 1976 even more. It is just mutual contradiction.
Because, they believe Om radhe entered in sister Vedanti in 1965, B Baba entered in Mr Dixit in 1969 jan 18 itself (?), then Shiv entered in Mr Dixit in 1976 (?).
If they give date as 1976 (for Shiv'entrance in Dixit), then they lose everything, as they will have to agree Shiv had been with subtle Brahma or some other corporeal personality till 1976.- because PBKs believe- Shiv would be in some corporeal body 24/365 days since 1936. As they give date only 1976 to Mr. Dixit, then in whose body would Shiv be present from 1969 till 1976? The whole of the pbk Advance Party loses the value.

If they claim Shiv had entered into Mr Dixit in 1969 Jan 18 itself, then again they lose grip on 1976, as that date (1969)would be more important than 1976, and the womb period would not be 4 months (40 yrs what they claim).
"Although Mama does not have a body, she continues to make efforts*. She goes out on service. She enters into the bodies of children and shows the way to the sinful to become pure." (22-7-72 pg-2)
5) This is just FP (false propaganda)* created by AIVV - one of several examples as clearly shown here- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2593

So- if you believe you are a Gyani tum atma, then show at least minimum ability to reply honestly , to the point fully, before putting irrelevant (some are relevant - of course) questions. But, choice is yours.

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*6) - SM 08-11-72(1):- Tumhaaree Mama kisko bhee samjhaatee thee to teer lagtaa thaa na. Unmay sachchaayi,pavitrataa thee. Lobh vaa krodh naheen thaa. Thee bhee kumari. AB BHEE SERVICE KAR RAHEE HAI. KAHENGE Mama TO ABHEE HAAJIRAA HAJOOR HAI. UNKI ATMA AMAR HAI. AB BHI SERVICE KAR RAHI HAI. JAISE KAHENGE ISHWAR HAAJIRAA HAJOOR HAI. Unki atma ab haajraa hajoor hai aur service kar rahi hai. To hamadh hota hai usney zaroor aisaa purushaarth kiyaa hoga. Unkaa naam bhi pahley baalaa hai. Pahley Lakshmi, peeche Narayan. Toh yahaan bhi pahley Mama gayi. Toh baap kahte hain Mama jaise gun dharan karo. -9- [Mama, repeat inf]

No Murli point says(except PBK FP)- She is doing efforts. Of course, she is doing service, and that can happen even automatically- due to her complete stage.
If you see the Murli point- Baba has given the status of Ishwar to Mama.

7) If in PBK view- all the other senior BKs who left their bodies -enter into PBK personalities- do they say- even all of them are haajiraa hajoor?

Haajiraa Hajoor is a great word/respect- and it implies that such souls have no bondage, and are free to move/enter anyone. But, in PBK view- Om radhe is tied only in sister Vedanti, ...

So- in all the ways- PBKs lose their arguments.

8) Another Murli point where Baba keeps Mama ahead than B Baba.

SM 4-8-73(1):- Bachche jaante hain behad kaa baapdada padhaate hain. Mama bhi padhaatee. Phir bachche bhi padhaate hain. Tum ho daadaa potre. Amrutsar may daadaa potre hote hain. Phir kahenge yah saatvee peedhi hai, yah dasvee peedhi hai. Tum samajhte ho Satyug may bhi peedhi chaltee hai. Devtaavon kee pahlee peedhi, doosree peedhi. Yahaan phir tumhaaree peedhiyaan nahin. Ek daadaa, ek Baba, ek Mama aur bachche- bachchiyaan. Bas. Daadaa potre se jyaadaa aage kuch nahin kahenge. Abhi yah yad karna to ati sahaj hai. Hum BKK hain. Brahma huvaa humaraa Baba. Daadaa hai Shiv. Unsey milkiyat miltee hai. Kitnee sahaj baath hai. Hum daadaa-potre, BKK hain. Brahma ek hee bachcha hai Shiv kaa. Aise nahin kahenge hum Vishnu kumari athvaa Shankar kumara hain. PRAJAPITA Shankar KO VA Vishnu KO NAHIN KAHENGE. PRAJAPITA EK HEE BRAHMA KO KAHA JATA HAI. Baba bahut sahaj samjhaate hain. Brahma hai Shiv kaa bachchaa. Shiv hai swarg kaa rachaitaa. Varsaa denevaalaa. Shiv Baba dwara BKKyon ko kahte hain ki mujhe Yaad karo. Brahma ek laadlaa bachcha hai Shiv kaa. To ek daadaa niraakaar. Ek unkaa bachchaa saakaar, Prajapita Brahma. Phir unkey hain BBKyaan. Tum BK bane ho ShivBaba se varsaa lene. ShivBaba kahte hain aise2 tum koyi ko samjhaavo. Yaad zaroor ShivBaba ko karnaa hai jis_se swarg kaa varsaa miltaa hai. Aur koyi ko Yaad karenge to nark kaa varsaa milegaa. Yah to samajh kee baath hai. Varsa Baap se nahin, daadaa se miltaa hai. Swarg kaa rchitaa, gyaandaataa vah hai. ShivBaba sunaate hain Brahma dwara. Phir yah Brahma bhi sun lete hain. Brahma ke phir pahlee2 bachchi Saraswati gaayi huyi hai. BK Saraswati Jagadamba kitnee gaayi huyi hai. Brahma se bhi jyaadaa ShivBaba se varsaa leti hai. Isliye pahle Lakshmi, phir Narayan gaayaa jaataa hai. Tum jaante ho hum Jagadamba aur Jagatpita ke bachche thah_re. To kyon na daadaa se varsaa leve. Hum BKKyaan Daadaa, potre, potriyaan hain. Bas. Doosree teesree peedhi nahin hai. Tar_potre kuch nahin. Daadaa ko koun Yaad nahin akregaa. BKKyaan kahlaave aur Daadaa ko Yaad na kare to unko kitnaa moorkh kahenge? Aise bhi moork hain jo daadaa ko Yaad bhi nahin karte hain. Jitnaa Yaad karenge, utnaa vikarm vinaash honge. – 135 [vimp]


** - So-where does your comment saying - "B baba is number 2?" stand? It just shows a clear foolishness, negligence of PBKs.

9) In the above Murli point, it clearly say- Shankar or Vishnu cannot be called as Prajapita, just Brahma alone can be called as Prajapita.

[But, PBKs claim otherwise - and act superior to ShivBaba. - like my cock has three legs.]

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 26 Nov 2016

8) In the above Murli point, it clearly say- Shankar or Vishnu cannot be called as Prajapita, just Brahma alone can be called as Prajapita. 
Shankar is said to be Vishvanath on the path of Bhakti. On the path of knowledge it is said that Shankar is not Prajapita. Prajapita is impure human. Shankar is pure angel.

On the path of Bhakti the name of Shankar is mixed with the name of Shiv. We believe that it is the soul who plays the role of Shankar who achieves a Bap saman stage, but this stage is achieved at the end, till that time he is Prajapita.

Prajapita is called Brahma because Brahma is incomplete form. Mahadev is a deity and a complete form.

When on the Trimurti it is said that we have to explain that this one is Baba, this one is Dada, we believe it refers to showing the picture of Shankar who is the Father and the picture of Brahma who is Dada. On the Trimurti in reality there are two personalities – Brahma and Shankar, because Vishnu is the complete form of Brahma.
It is PBKs who are bothered about the physical aspects more than BKs.
You say we look the body, but you equate leaving the body to going to advance part or becoming complete. We believe that the effort of a soul is independent to the body in the sense that the effort can continue after one body is left.

We believe that complete stage can be achieved whilst in a body and detaching from it, and leaving the body is only indicative of finishing of some accounts with the body and it does not necessary mean completeness of effort of the soul. And we also believe that the complete stage is the incorporeal stage, whilst subtle stage is the stage in between.

Bahma Baba and Mama had left their body due to illness and not due to ones own wish that will be the way of a yogi. If you believe this is a sign of completeness and going to Advance Party and claiming a number ahead, then Vishva Kishore Bhai and other souls have left their bodies even before Mama and they are also considered to have gone to the Advance Party.

Regarding when Shiv has entered 76 is birth of Lakshmi and Narayan. 69 is Brahma Baba leaving his body, but at the time of Brahma Baba also it was said that the Supreme Soul does not ride the bull the whole day.

Regarding the soul of Lakshmi we also believe that first is Lakshmi and then Narayan.
5) This is FP (false propaganda)* created by AIVV
Do you claim the Murli point is false? The Murli point says that Mama does not have a body, still makes effort and enters children to do service. Which of these you believe is not true?
*4) Actually, you should have said 4.5 lakh souls plus one (title holder Prajapita)- right? - (see you do many mistakes like this and accuse others).

You are right that the Supreme Soul has entered Brahma Baba, but for what purpose. Was the service accomplished through him? Was heaven established? We believe that these are the 4,5 lakh souls who become the first generation of heaven. In them the other 4,5 lakh like children enter. So one can come with this body in the first birth, one can take birth as a child in the first birth, or one can take birth later. From these the first is the highest.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 27 Nov 2016

Do you claim the Murli point is false? The Murli point says that Mama does not have a body, still makes effort and enters children to do service. Which of these you believe is not true?
The word "effort" is introduced by AIVV.
I had already marked it bold in the quote, you failed to observe. The so- called PBKs once again prove that they do cannot read even physically what is clearly shown. So- when educated PBKs fail to understand what is clearly visible through physical eyes, what can their intellect grasp or understand anything deeper? !

Rest of the things are just garbage. Good.
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# Flaw No. 436) PBKs are caught in their own greatest term "REVELATION" :-

1) This is just addition to Flaw No. 360. But, a clear evidence of Mr Dixit getting upset and confused while replying to the students and acting arrogantly even when the student is asking with humility.
Mr. Dixit c/o arjun wrote: from - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=632&p=47468&hilit=p ... rty#p47468

Time: 44.07-49.30
Student: Baba, just as Baba's part was played through the first personality (muurty) and the second personality, will His part be played through Vaishnavi as well?
Baba: It is a wonder! When there are three personalities, then is the Father revealed through all the three personalities or only through one personality? He is revealed through one [personality] in the form of a mother, through the second [personality] in the form of a Father and through the third [personality] He is revealed in the form of Mother India, the incarnation of Shivshakti , in the form of Vishnu, the one who sustains. Is it a practical form, a form that understands and explains or is it a form that listens and narrates? It is a practical form.
Student: When will that practical part begin?
Baba: When the new world is revealed, when the old world is destroyed, then that [part] will also be revealed
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Student: Will it be [revealed] in the Confluence Age?
Baba: Why will it be revealed after the Confluence Age? Is everything- the tasks of the three personalities, establishment, sustenance and destruction- said to take place in the Confluence Age itself or in the Golden Age and the Iron Age? (Student said something.) Sadguru's part is said to take place in the end. The Sadguru is revealed in the end. Nobody can show his affectation (naaz-nakhrey) in front of the Sadguru. And in front of the Father? The children show pride and affectation [but] the Father persuades them. Even if they do not agree, he tolerates. So, is the Sadguru's part going on now? No. That is a part in the end.
Student: Until when will the part of sustenance by Vaishnavi continue?
Baba: The Sadguru's part will begin when the task of the Father and the Teacher is over.
Student: It has been said in a Vani that 33, 33 years ...
Baba: So, what? Is it wrong? The last (part) must have begun. The third personality must have begun to be revealed. It has been said in the Avyakt Vani as well: Where is the true service going on? Which continent has started doing the true service? Africa has started it.
Student: Baba, many say that as per the Avyakt Vani this year is a year of the revelation of Vaishnavi.
Baba: Which one?
Student: 2008.
Baba: As per which Vani?
Student: It was mentioned in an Avyakt Vani in 2004.
Baba: It was mentioned that it took sixteen years for the revelation of Brahma. What? Only then was Brahma revealed. Half of that time; because The Knowledge undergoes expansion. This is why half of that time is taken in the revelation of Shankar; from 69 to 77, the year of perfection. Eight years. Then The Knowledge undergoes even more expansion until the revelation of Vishnu. It opens up (becomes clearer). So, it takes four years for the revelation.
Student: It was said in the Vani of 2004.
Baba: Add four years to 2004. Vishnu is to be revealed in 2008. But will he be revealed in his own clan or will he be revealed among the Suryavanshis? First he will be revealed among the people of his own clan. For example, where is the head of the Advance Party, the planning party revealed? Is it among the Suryavanshis or the Chandravanshis? He is revealed among the Suryavanshis.
Student: What is meant by revelation? What will they come to know about him?
Baba: They will recognize: this itself is Vishnu's part.
Student: It is we people who have conveyed this message to them. ( :laugh: )
Baba: What?
Student: This message has been conveyed by us.
Baba: So, is the message not reaching [them]? What is the big deal? Is there any difference between the reaching of message and the assimilation of message? Those who got the message here, those who heard The Knowledge and understood it, did they assimilate The Knowledge in their life in practice? They did not assimilate it. And what about them? The VCD* is reaching there as well. The Advanced Knowledge is reaching there as well. But it is about making the life [such] in practice. And do things take place in practice through purity or through impurity? The kings of India have experienced impurity for many births. And have they experienced it in their recent births (births closer to the 84th birth) or have they experienced it in their distant births (births farther to the 84th birth)? (Student: The recent ones.) They have experienced impurity in the recent births; so those sanskaars of impurity keep emerging here as well. They cannot avoid getting close physically no matter how much knowledge you narrate to them. ... (to be continued.)
We can see how the PBKs student/s are fully confused with the term revelation. Mr. Dixit has just made more confusion in his clarification.

1) Mr. Dixit says- 16 yrs for revelation of Brahma. From there did he got this? [May be since in their view- Murlis started in 1951 (= 1936 + 16) - not sure. But, they give date for Brahma as sometimes 1936 itself- (they claim Lekhraj Kirpalani realized his part of Brahma in 1936 itself), sometimes give the date 1947 - as they believe God entered in Lekhraj Kirpalani in 1947 only.

Then, they also claim 33 yrs part of Brahma, then 33 yrs of Vishnu, and 33 yrs of Shankar.


2) Now- HOW MANY TIMES A PART IS GOING TO BE REVEALED? IS IS SAME FOR B, V AND Shankar?

3) Mr. Dixit cuts 16 by 2 and takes 8. How come? he had already divided the 33 yrs by 2 and had taken 16 years. Why again divide by 2?

OK, he got number 8 (= 16/2) and then added it to 1969, got 1977. But, it is not 1976! The Murli point regarding the 1976 clearly says- it cannot be 1976, it can be 1975 (please note that the PBKs in their blog- write comment as- itnee nishchay buddhi se Baba ne kahaa hai)- so how come they are now becoming samshay buddhi?

If we see here, the way Mr Dixit asks or replies- is full of samshay buddhi (doubtful intellect). - while they
claim PBK Shakar alone is 100% faithful intellect- a great irony!

4a) Now- where are how the part of sister Vedanti is revealed? In 1965- when Om Radhe entered here- nothing was revealed?!! - :laugh:

4b) In 1976- PBKs claim she got some vision- ??! - PBKs are able to read thoughts of others! - by inspiration???

4c) PBKs quote the Avyakt Murli of 2004 as revelation of sister Vedanti/Vishnu. Now- they are confused whether to give date 2004 or 2008.
Actually, the Murli date is 2004, so it should be 2004 only- as knowledge has already evolved to great extent by in AIVV by 1990s itself.

4d)If they like to add 4 years to 2004, then they should give reason- what great change has happened within those 4 years from 2004 to 2008.

4e) As per Mr Dixit, if he likes to add 8 years to himself, as the time necessary for evolution, then if we add other half (8 years) to 1977, it becomes 1985.

4f) So- do they believe there is no need to give account for the years from 1985 till 2004? No evolution/expansion of knowledge in these years?
PBKs should also mention what great change had happened in their knowledge from 2004 till 2008.

4g) Now- as they claim the 33 yrs for B,S and V respectively, then it should be (1936 + 33 + 33 ) = 2002 for Vishnu! So- four years should be added to 2002, not to 2004!
[See- in case of PBK Shankar- Mr. Dixit has added 8 years to 1969 which is nothing but- 1936 + 33 = 1969)
If 33 yrs are added to 2004, it becomes 2039 (goes beyond 2036)!

4h) Further- PBKs believe result of great souls would be announced much earlier- Flaw No. 172 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51147&hilit ... ced#p51147
-----So- how come in this case- Avyakt Vani announced only two years later? (only in 2004)?- not a big issue, but the so called Gyan tu atmas who are bothered much in physical incidents, and inspiration- should have been interested to churn on these subtle aspects, right? - ;-)

5) OK- if they like to give date 2008 - then it should be revelation of her to BKWSU, not to AIVV. [PBKs already know her part. So- there cannot be any question of her being revealed to PBKs - in any other way- till she practically moves to AIVV (or she should begin giving her sustenance to AIVV either through some letters, or PBKs should feel like they receive some sustenance from her through SOME INSPIRATION???! ).

6) Now- here, Mr Dixit has added only 4 years ( 8/2), How come he took 8 years as reference? May be he is saying- now the evolution is faster???!
----Further- their own logic- 33 years for each role goes wrong by default in this case. If the expansion/evolution is faster in later period- then obviously, the next two roles - that of Shankar and Vishnu should be lesser than 33 yrs. The first one would be 33, the second one 33/2, third one 33/4 yrs respectively. - so PBK philosophy is nothing but mutual contradiction.

7)So- we can see here- Mr Dixit just takes whatever figure he chooses and in whatever way he likes and performing arithmetical operations in whatever way he likes so as to manipulate the things- by hook or crook, and finally makes the student shut their mouth. The one who asks HONEST question himself becomes humiliated in front of other students.

8) I have also head Mr. Dixit even says- Those who are faithful intellect will not ask (too many or such or ?) questions - just to suppress his students, and project himself as he is winner or gives real sustenance of knowledge.

9) Part of this discussion had been done in Flaw No.s 356 to 358 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51913&hilit=33+years#p51910

10) Mr. Dixit and PBKs may say/imply- they are giving clarification, and making one more understandable, and intelligent, but they are only falling deeper and committing spiritual suicide.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 27 Nov 2016

The word "effort" is introduced by AIVV.
Do you have the original Murli? On what basis do you claim it is added?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 27 Nov 2016

# Flaw No. 437) The so-called intelligent PBK Narayan, and the so-called intelligent - Gyani tu atmas- are STILL unable to know their own mistakes - and ask others to show it:-

1) Even after showing the links several times, PBKs are still unable to realize simplest errors- which even a Kindergarten school child will neither commit, nor fail to realize in case he/she commits. But, we can the Kumbhakaran sleep of them as well as their bodily Guru's - whom PBKs claim whose intellect is free from all negativity of Iron Age from 1976 itself- they claim Mr Dixit's intellect has undergone full destruction, and is fully faithful/concentrated- never suffers any blow or wandering.
sita wrote:Do you have the original Murli? On what basis do you claim it is added?
2) I do not have original Murli. PBKs should have given proof- who claim such highly controversial issues.

BTW- It is proved that PBKs commit high mistakes.

Examples- -

a) viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2593

b) viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2102&p=31598&hilit ... ai.#p31617

c) viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2180&start=45#p41493

On these facts, I came to conclusion that- that word is introduced by PBKs.
----In a) they have introduced the word - "EFFORT*", (PROOF IS GIVEN).
----In c), they have introduced the word "RULE" instead of "ESTABLISHED" - and then the senior PBk souls have argued both mean the same - defending their mistakes/lies instead of admitting the fault.
---In b) PBK Guru himself committed blunders. And- you can see how arjun soul even when he failed, instead of accepting it, just accuses others.

*3) In a), the Murli says- "you can sit and study. " But, AIVV/PBKs edited it as- "Mama and B baba can sit/enter and study" to project it as Mama is putting EFFORT by entering in some children.
How intelligent/treacherous the PBK Guru/Narayan and his followers, are!

If you see the Murli point, - in Error No. 01) - the word Baba is used for ShivBaba (it is Sakar Murli). See the earlier sentences as well. But, the PBK Guru and/or the followers have put B Baba in place of ShivBaba!

4)More evidence is given here- Flaw No. 45 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=49709&hilit=durgati#p49709

which fits perfectly well to PBKs/Dixit who claim/imply- ShivBaba enters in him.

5) It is left to to you either to blindly accept what is put in PBK literature, or use your own intellect.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 27 Nov 2016

On these facts, I came to conclusion that PBKs that word is introduced by PBKs.
OK. So you came to conclusion.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 27 Nov 2016

sita wrote:OK. So you came to conclusion.
Yes, dear. You have room to prove yourself. If you get Hindi words- preferably not edited by AIVV, then it will have value. AIVV has lots of hard copies of original Sakar Murlis which Mr. Dixit has got from sister Vedanti. *.

It is unfortunate that AIVV is misleading PBKs, and PBKs are falling into the trap. Enough proof is given here, which shows the mistakes of PBKs, as well as the PBk Guru.
I am not sure whether any PBK, who has been reading the posts in this forum, has brought these mistakes to the notice of their Guru in any discussions. In case, if any PBK shows such courage, PBKs are welcome to put those discussions too in the forum or their website as they have put hundreds of their VCD discussions.
All the best.

* - PBKs may say- let BKWSU put the original Murlis. BKWSU is not so much interested/bothered about silly things, which PBKs do.
A great irony is- the typing errors committed by BKWSU have not caused any loss to BKs, but have affected (diverted from truth) the PBKs. PBKs have gone far out of the track of what Murlis actually say.

* - But, I have no problem even if you point to Murlis either from Bk sites or PBK sites, since in this forum- we are just doing discussion. Let drama reveal itself at right time.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 01 Dec 2016

# Flaw No. 438) Mr. Dixit once again proves himself to be a CLEAR FOOL:-
Mr Dixit c/o arjun wrote: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203&p=44689&hilit=% ... rty#p44680

वी.सी.डी. नं.266, कैसेट नं.747, मैसूर, मु.14.10.66, ता.28.07.05 उद्धरण-भाग-2
...
वो तो प्रजापिता है, प्रजापिता का दिन और प्रजापिता की रात गाई जाती है क्या? ब्रह्मा का दिन और ब्रह्मा की रात गाई जाती है। किसकी गाई जाती है? ब्रह्मा का दिन भी होता है, ब्रह्मा की रात भी। ब्रह्मा का दिन होता है तो ब्रह्मा सो विष्णु बन जाता है, सुख में आ जाता है। और ब्रह्मा जब दु:ख में होता है तो ब्रह्मा की रात आ जाती है। ब्रह्मा की रात तो सारे ही ब्राह्मणों की रात। क्या? एक के पतित होने से सारी दुनियां पतित हो जाती है और एक के पावन बनने से सारी दुनियां पावन बन जाती है। प्रजापिता के लिए कभी बोला कि प्रजापिता का दिन और प्रजापिता की रात? (किसीने कहा-नहीं।) क्यों? क्यों नहीं बोला? (किसी ने कहा- वो हमेशा ज्ञान में रहता है ना।) (किसी दूसरे ने कहा- ध्रुव तारा है वो।) हाँ, सन् 76 से जब से बाप का प्रत्यक्षता वर्ष मनाया गया, तब से ले करके और अंत तक वो आत्मा डायरेक्टर के रुप में हो गई। क्या? दु:ख, सुख का पार्ट कौन बजायेंगे रंगमंच पर? आत्मायें। आत्मा रुपी पार्टधारी पार्ट बजाते हैं, और उनमें ब्रह्मा भी है। ब्रह्मा जो है वो भी प्रवेश करके कोई बड़ी माँ में पार्ट बजाता है जिसे जगदम्बा कहा जाता है। तो ब्रह्मा की रात कहो या जगदम्बा की रात कहो वो दु:ख में आते हैं। जिसमें ज्ञान है, पराकाष्ठा का ज्ञान होगा तो वो कभी दु:खी नहीं हो सकता।

VCD* No.266, C.No.747, Mysore, Mu.14.10.66, Dt.28.07.05 Part-2

He is Prajapita. Is the day of Prajapita and night of Prajapita praised? Brahma’s day and Brahma’s night is praised. Whose [day and night] is praised? (Someone said: Of Brahma.) There is the day as well as the night of Brahma. When it is Brahma’s day, he becomes Vishnu from Brahma [and] he comes into happiness. And when Brahma is in sorrow, the night of Brahma comes. When it is Brahma’s night, it is the night for all the Brahmins. What? When one becomes sinful, the entire world becomes sinful and when one becomes pure, the entire world becomes pure. Was it ever said for Prajapita: ‘the day of Prajapita and the night of Prajapita’? (Someone said: No.) Why? Why wasn’t it said so? (Someone said: He always remains in knowledge, doesn’t he?) (Another student said: He is the Pole star.) Yes, from the year 76, from the time the year of the Father’s revelation was celebrated, till the end, that soul is in the form of the director. What? Who will play the role of sorrow and happiness on the stage? The souls; the souls in the form of actor play the role and Brahma is also included among them. Brahma also enters and performs the role through the senior mother, who is called Jagadamba. Hence, call it the night of Brahma or the night of Jagadamba [it is the same]. They experience sorrow. The one who has knowledge, the one who has knowledge of peak level can never become sorrowful.
1) In the above speech, Mr Dixit says- it is not said- Day and night of Prajapita Brahma. But, Murli point says-

SM 14-6-73(3):- Baap to sath hi batate hain. Unki hai srimat. Doosree hai Brahma ki math. Zaroor Baap se hi Brahma ko math mili. Brahma abhi raath may hain. Brahma ka din aur Brahma ki raath to BKKyon ki bhi din aur raath. PRAJAPITA BRAHMA KI RAATH TO BACHCHON KI BHI RAATH HONGI. – 86

= Father speaks only the truth. His is Srimath. The second is Brahma’s math. Definitely from Father only Brahma got math/directions. Brahma is now in night. When it is day and night of Brahma, it is also day and night of BKs. When it is night of Prajapita Brahma, it is also night of children.

2) Again in his speech Mr. Dixit says/implies- as if there is day and night of subtle Brahma (Lekhraj Kirpalani- even after 1969). But, a Murli point says-

SM 25-9-73(2):- Jab tak RudrBaba is sharir may hain sunate hi rahenge. Prajapita Brahma bhi zaroor yahaan hi hoga na. Brahma ka din Brahma ki raat gaayaa huva hai. Sookshmvatanvasi Brahma ka thode hi din aur raat bataavenge. Vah to sookshmvatanvasi devta hain. Din aur raat ka prashn yahaan kaa hai. Brahma ki raat maanaa patit. Phir vahi pavan bante hain. To din hota hai. Brahma ko bhi pavan bananevaala VAH ek sadguru hai. -115-

= .......There is gaayan(saying) Day and night of Brahma. THERE CANNOT BE DAY AND NIGHT OF Subtle Region RESIDENT BRAHMA. He is Subtle Region deity. The question of day and night is applicable to here(corporeal world). Night of Brahma means impure. He only becomes pure. Then it becomes day. ...

3) Mr. Dixit CLEARLY IMPLIES- He is not Prajapita till 1976! Because he says- after 1976, he is continuously in day.
Till there, he had been in night only. He failed in 1942, etc, etc.

4) Also- Mr. Dixit says- he is Pole Star! Even when he failed in 1942! What a great white lie and joke?! - :laugh:

5) His HK Hood further goes ahead and says- he is not playing on stage, but plays as director!

6) PBKs believe Mr Dixit is being controlled by a ghost to the extent that he can slap someone in Amrit Vela. Still he is Pole Star and in Day!

7) SM 25-9-73(4):- Achcha aaj Bhog hai. Sampoorn Brahma ko Yaad dena apoorn Brahma ki. Avyakt Brahma ko Yaad dena vyakt Brahma ki. Yah baatein anany bachche hee samajh sakte. Aise baap ko koun chodega? ShivBaba ke pakke poojaari KABHI nahin chodenge. G.O.D Baap se varsa leve vaa D.O.G se? Raat din ka phark hai. -116-

= Good. Today is Bhog. Give remembrances of incomplete Brahma to Complete Brahma. Give remembrance of corporeal Brahma to subtle Brahma. Very good children only will understand these matters.WHO WILL LEAVE SUCH A Father? THOSE WHO ARE PUKKA WORSHIPERS WILL NEVER LEAVE. Are you/they going to take property from GOD or DoG? There is difference of Day and night between these.

7a) From the above Murli point- it is clear- Mr. Dixit is not a pukka worshiper, as PBKs believe he had left Yagya and Father Shiv from 1942 till 1969.

7b) The Murli point also says- "Give remembrance of incomplete Brahma to complete Brahma during Bhog".
--PBKs believe Bhog is waste, and mostly they may not be offering Bhog. (Am I right?) So- who is following these directions? or to whom are these directions given?
---In PBK view- incomplete Brahma is DLR plus others, and complete Brahma is Mr. Dixit.
Now- WHAT IS THE NEED to give remembrance of one to the other? - WHEN PBKs BELIEVE BOTH OF THEM RESIDE IN THE SAME BODY???!
- :laugh:

We can see multiple spiritual suicides committed by Mr. Dixit by inviting Lekhraj Kirpalani in his body.

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