# Flaw No. 435) More examples - when they fail to reply- they like to stir and mix up the points:-
sita wrote:So you say that Mama left her body before Brahma Baba, so she went ahead of Brahma Baba and she is number one and Brahma Baba is number two**?
1) PBKs are caught in their own clutches. It shows more of foolishness of PBKs.
BKs are not bothered whether B baba is number 1 or 2.
Sometimes Baba keeps B Baba ahead, sometimes Mama. There are also Murli points which say- Mama takes more property even than B Baba*.
But, there are also Avyakt Murli points which say- B Baba had kept Mama and children ahead of him, but he himself is number one.
Mostly - Mama came to Gyan later, even after some Dadis. But, BKs are not bothered about the physical aspects like PBKs.
2) It is PBKs who are bothered about the physical aspects more than BKs. PBKs claim first entrance of ShivBaba had happened in Bengal. Even if Murli point says the same thing about Sindh, PBKs can neither accept nor digest it. - Flaw No. 135 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51005&hilit=Sindh#p51005
So- better try to understand the question properly, and reply in PBK view,
as well as in BK view
, instead of trying to mix up the things.
But, mostly PBKs have no other option, as instead of attempting to reply to the point, they are now going out of the track.
3) So- it is a humiliation to PBKs and their Guru - to see that - "in their own view" - Advance Party had started in 1965 itself, but Mr Dixit was in Kumbhkarana sleep, playing role of thorn.
4) And- the PBKs lose their grip on 1976 even more. It is just mutual contradiction.
Because, they believe Om radhe entered in sister Vedanti in 1965, B Baba entered in Mr Dixit in 1969 jan 18 itself (?), then Shiv entered in Mr Dixit in 1976 (?).
If they give date as 1976 (for Shiv'entrance in Dixit), then they lose everything, as they will have to agree Shiv had been with subtle Brahma or some other corporeal personality till 1976.- because PBKs believe- Shiv would be in some corporeal body 24/365 days since 1936. As they give date only 1976 to Mr. Dixit, then in whose body would Shiv be present from 1969 till 1976? The whole of the pbk Advance Party loses the value.
If they claim Shiv had entered into Mr Dixit in 1969 Jan 18 itself, then again they lose grip on 1976, as that date (1969)would be more important than 1976, and the womb period would not be 4 months (40 yrs what they claim).
"Although Mama does not have a body, she continues to make efforts*. She goes out on service. She enters into the bodies of children and shows the way to the sinful to become pure." (22-7-72 pg-2)
5) This is just FP (false propaganda)* created by AIVV - one of several examples as clearly shown here- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2593
So- if you believe you are a Gyani tum atma, then show at least minimum ability to reply honestly , to the point fully, before putting irrelevant (some are relevant - of course) questions. But, choice is yours.
*6) - SM 08-11-72(1):- Tumhaaree Mama kisko bhee samjhaatee thee to teer lagtaa thaa na. Unmay sachchaayi,pavitrataa thee. Lobh vaa krodh naheen thaa. Thee bhee kumari. AB BHEE SERVICE KAR RAHEE HAI. KAHENGE Mama TO ABHEE HAAJIRAA HAJOOR HAI. UNKI ATMA AMAR HAI. AB BHI SERVICE KAR RAHI HAI. JAISE KAHENGE ISHWAR HAAJIRAA HAJOOR HAI. Unki atma ab haajraa hajoor hai aur service kar rahi hai. To hamadh hota hai usney zaroor aisaa purushaarth kiyaa hoga. Unkaa naam bhi pahley baalaa hai. Pahley Lakshmi, peeche Narayan. Toh yahaan bhi pahley Mama gayi.
Toh baap kahte hain Mama jaise gun dharan karo. -9- [Mama, repeat inf]
No Murli point says(except PBK FP)
- She is doing efforts. Of course, she is doing service, and that can happen even automatically- due to her complete stage.
If you see the Murli point- Baba has given the status of Ishwar to Mama.
7) If in PBK view- all the other senior BKs who left their bodies -enter into PBK personalities- do they say- even all of them are haajiraa hajoor?
Haajiraa Hajoor is a great word/respect- and it implies that such souls have no bondage, and are free to move/enter anyone
. But, in PBK view- Om radhe is tied only in sister Vedanti, ...
So- in all the ways- PBKs lose their arguments.
8) Another Murli point where Baba keeps Mama ahead than B Baba.
SM 4-8-73(1):- Bachche jaante hain behad kaa baapdada padhaate hain. Mama bhi padhaatee. Phir bachche bhi padhaate hain. Tum ho daadaa potre. Amrutsar may daadaa potre hote hain. Phir kahenge yah saatvee peedhi hai, yah dasvee peedhi hai. Tum samajhte ho Satyug may bhi peedhi chaltee hai. Devtaavon kee pahlee peedhi, doosree peedhi. Yahaan phir tumhaaree peedhiyaan nahin. Ek daadaa, ek Baba, ek Mama aur bachche- bachchiyaan. Bas. Daadaa potre se jyaadaa aage kuch nahin kahenge. Abhi yah yad karna to ati sahaj hai. Hum BKK hain. Brahma huvaa humaraa Baba. Daadaa hai Shiv. Unsey milkiyat miltee hai. Kitnee sahaj baath hai. Hum daadaa-potre, BKK hain. Brahma ek hee bachcha hai Shiv kaa. Aise nahin kahenge hum Vishnu kumari athvaa Shankar kumara hain. PRAJAPITA Shankar KO VA Vishnu KO NAHIN KAHENGE. PRAJAPITA EK HEE BRAHMA KO KAHA JATA HAI
. Baba bahut sahaj samjhaate hain. Brahma hai Shiv kaa bachchaa. Shiv hai swarg kaa rachaitaa. Varsaa denevaalaa. Shiv Baba dwara BKKyon ko kahte hain ki mujhe Yaad karo. Brahma ek laadlaa bachcha hai Shiv kaa. To ek daadaa niraakaar. Ek unkaa bachchaa saakaar, Prajapita Brahma. Phir unkey hain BBKyaan. Tum BK bane ho ShivBaba se varsaa lene. ShivBaba kahte hain aise2 tum koyi ko samjhaavo. Yaad zaroor ShivBaba ko karnaa hai jis_se swarg kaa varsaa miltaa hai. Aur koyi ko Yaad karenge to nark kaa varsaa milegaa. Yah to samajh kee baath hai. Varsa Baap se nahin, daadaa se miltaa hai. Swarg kaa rchitaa, gyaandaataa vah hai. ShivBaba sunaate hain Brahma dwara. Phir yah Brahma bhi sun lete hain. Brahma ke phir pahlee2 bachchi Saraswati gaayi huyi hai. BK Saraswati Jagadamba kitnee gaayi huyi hai. Brahma se bhi jyaadaa ShivBaba se varsaa leti hai. Isliye pahle Lakshmi, phir Narayan gaayaa jaataa hai.
Tum jaante ho hum Jagadamba aur Jagatpita ke bachche thah_re. To kyon na daadaa se varsaa leve. Hum BKKyaan Daadaa, potre, potriyaan hain. Bas. Doosree teesree peedhi nahin hai. Tar_potre kuch nahin. Daadaa ko koun Yaad nahin akregaa. BKKyaan kahlaave aur Daadaa ko Yaad na kare to unko kitnaa moorkh kahenge? Aise bhi moork hain jo daadaa ko Yaad bhi nahin karte hain. Jitnaa Yaad karenge, utnaa vikarm vinaash honge. – 135 [vimp]
** - So-where does your comment saying - "B baba is number 2?" stand? It just shows a clear foolishness, negligence of PBKs.
9) In the above Murli point, it clearly say- Shankar or Vishnu cannot be called as Prajapita, just Brahma alone can be called as Prajapita.
[But, PBKs claim otherwise - and act superior to ShivBaba. - like my cock has three legs.]