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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by sita » 04 Sep 2016

CONSTANT DIVINE REVELRY, instead of CONSTANT DIABOLIC RIVALRY!
It is the Yadavas who fight with Kauravas. Pandavas don't fight.


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The Unrighteous children, who are the ACTUAL Kauravas, MASQUERADING as 'Pandavas', FIGHT - as is readily EVIDENT from this forum itself! REAL Pandavas DO NOT REQUIRE to FIGHT, since they are CONSTANTLY LINKED with REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God!

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by sita » 17 Sep 2016

In the Murli it is said that Shankar is the biggest. What does it mean? I would suppose it means he takes birth first. How does this tally with your interpreatation that Shankar is the role that Brahma Baba (and Mama) play after they become subtle? Because if Shankar is bigger it means he must be there before Brahma, the role of Shankar should be there before the role of Brahma. Please, elaborate!

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by mbbhat » 17 Sep 2016

sita wrote:In the Murli it is said that Shankar is the biggest. What does it mean? I would suppose it means he takes birth first. How does this tally with your interpreatation that Shankar is the role that Brahma Baba (and Mama) play after they become subtle? Because if Shankar is bigger it means he must be there before Brahma, the role of Shankar should be there before the role of Brahma. Please, elaborate!
First of all, Baba has not kept just Shankar only as biggest. Sometimes Baba has kept Brahma at top most, sometimes Shankar, sometimes even Vishnu. But, most of the times, Baba has kept Brahma and Shankar at top most places. So, the above claim is not fully right.

OK, even if we take it as true, then it implies that- Subtle Brahma and Mama do more service than what they had been doing while corporeal beings. There is no need for them to be called as Shankar in 1936 itself.

BTW- the ball again fully goes inot court of PBKs, who sometimes claim using the Murli point- BVS take birth together, but then say- part of Shankar begins only from 1976 or even later.

PBKs are caught in their own trap, as, if they give title Shankar to Mr. Dixit from 1936 itself, it will become a great error, (as PBKs believe their leader lost faith in 1942), as PBKs interpret the Murli point as- "Shankar never loses faith".

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by sita » 17 Sep 2016

If Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar must be there and take birth together at the same time when the Supreme Soul comes, Vishnu is a complete form. How can Vishnu a complete form be there? So it must be about a revelation like birth that has not happened yet and happens only at the end when there could be the complete form of Vishnu. But still from the beginning of the Yagya the three personalities are there.


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This has ALREADY been ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED earlier - but, of course, one has to develop a SUBTLE, DIVINE intellect to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND same - all others who attempt to comprehend same with a GROSS intellect will CONTINUE to move around in the SAME CIRCLES, AGAIN and AGAIN, thus wasting their TIME and ENERGY!
View = RESPONSE = in post below -
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View point 5 of post in link - viewtopic.php?f=40&p=51858#p51858
BKWSU SM, Revised 17.09.2016 wrote: माला में ऊपर हूँ मैंफिर युगल है ब्रह्मा-सरस्वती

I am at the top of the rosary, and then there is the couple, Brahma & Saraswati.
If ANY soul CANNOT DEVELOP a SUBTLE, DIVINE intellect to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND the PURE & UNADULTERATED Version of God, ABOVE, then such soul must be PATIENT UNTIL such SUBTLE, DIVINE intellect is FIRST DEVELOPED, to be ABLE to comprehend the SIMPLEST Pure Version of God, in the SIMPLEST form - to CORRECTLY IDENTIFY God AS WELL AS the TWO HIGHEST souls in the human REALM, as CLEARLY DECLARED by God HIMSELF, in the above Version!

View earlier post in link - viewtopic.php?f=40&t=1217&p=46831&hilit=Trimurti#p46831

God CANNOT help ANY soul who VOLUNTARILY & ARROGANTLY chooses to CORRUPT & ADULTERATE the intellect with the CORRUPTED & ADULTERATED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, which is TOTALLY CONTRARY to the Pure Versions of God - as is being CONTINUOUSLY HIGHLIGHTED on this forum!

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by sita » 18 Sep 2016

It is said that the role of Brahma is fixed till the end. So, is it now the role of Brahma going on, or the role of Shankar? Or maybe they switch from time to time. Please, elaborate!


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sita wrote:In the Murli it is said that Shankar is the biggest. What does it mean? I would suppose it means he takes birth first. How does this tally with your interpretation that Shankar is the role that Brahma Baba (and Mama) play after they become subtle? Because if Shankar is bigger it means he must be there before Brahma, the role of Shankar should be there before the role of Brahma. Please, elaborate!
'Shankar' is the BIGGEST and NEXT to GOD means, the ROLE of God, as 'Shankar', (PRIMARILY - DIRECTLY through the SUBTLE body of DLR; and SECONDARILY - INDIRECTLY through the corporeal body of -Virendra Dev Dixit), is the BIGGEST and NEXT to GOD, since through this ROLE of God, (which is considered to be the HIGHEST among the THREE ROLES of God, viz., B, V & S), Maya or 'NESCIENCE' is DESTROYED COMPLETELY from the HUMAN PSYCHE, so that 'Brahma' & 'Vishnu' may SURVIVE! The RELATIVE Spiritual STATUS of the THREE souls involved in the COMPLEX ROLE of God, as 'Shankar', can be DETERMINED from the word 'Shankar' ITSELF!
The relevant power of souls is in the word Shankara – Shiv, Krishna and Ram, in that SPECIFIC correct ORDER ! Shiv is most powerful but incorporeal, Krishna is the next most powerful, and then comes Ram. Viewed from the reverse angle, it becomes RAKASHASH or Ravan, where the soul of R (Ra) is considered as the most powerful, soul of K (Ka) is considered as less powerful, and Soul of Shiv (Sh) is not considered, since He does not take a physical body in the Drama, with the other (Sha) in between, representing the conch of reversed Advance Knowledge.
V D D, who is the ‘mukrar rath’ of Ravan, Satan or Shaitan, is made to masquerade as the (FALSE) Shankar of the Principal Adulterated Trimurti of Ravan Rajya, as under –
SHAITAN, KANS, RAVAN = SHANKARA ! ! !
View post - viewtopic.php?f=40&t=1217&p=47984&hilit=REVERSED#p47984

It has ALREADY been clarified that B, V & S take birth, or incarnate SIMULTANEOUSLY, TOGETHER with Shiva or God.
The THREE roles of God, as B, V & S commence SIMULTANEOUSLY, AS SOON AS God INCARNATES in the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR. The THREE DIFFERENT PROCESSES of (1) Generation - giving Spiritual re-birth to embodied souls, (2) Operation - sustaining those NEWLY re-born Children, and (3) Destruction - destroying the DARKNESS of IGNORANCE, or 'NESCIENCE' from these Children, have ESSENTIALLY to be SIMULTANEOUS, and therefore CANNOT be EXCLUSIVELY SEGREGATED in terms of EXACT TIME PERIODS!
When a new child is born, obviously the child has to be sustained from THAT VERY MOMENT onward, otherwise how can the child SURVIVE? Similarly, if any life-threatening disease afflicts the child, that has to be CURED THEN and THERE, otherwise how can the child SURVIVE?
Therefore, the THREE ACTS of God COMMENCE SIMULTANEOUSLY RIGHT from the VERY BEGINNING ITSELF!
Only as a matter of general understanding, it is considered that God SPECIFICALLY plays - the role of 'Brahma', through the IMPURE corporeal body of Brahma Baba, until 1969, as 'Karanhar' - when the ACT of CREATION is MORE PRONOUNCED; and the role of 'Shankar', through the subtle body of Brahma Baba, till the end of Confluence Age, as 'KaranKaravanhar' - when the ACT of DESTRUCTION is MORE PRONOUNCED; and the role of 'Vishnu', through the PURE corporeal body of the VERY SAME soul of Brahma Baba, in the beginning of G A, as 'Karavanhar' - when the ACT of SUSTENANCE is MORE PRONOUNCED.
sita wrote:If Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar must be there and take birth together at the same time when the Supreme Soul comes, Vishnu is a complete form. How can Vishnu a complete form be there? So it must be about a revelation like birth that has not happened yet and happens only at the end when there could be the complete form of Vishnu. But still from the beginning of the Yagya the three personalities are there.
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. The revelation-like or Spiritual birth of 'Vishnu' takes place in the very beginning of the Yagya, AS SOON AS Shiva or God enters the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, who REAL-EYEses his role as 'Vishnu', BOTH, through Visions, AS WELL AS through the SUBTLE PERCEPTION of the ACTUAL ENTRY of Shiva or God into his corporeal body, when the ROLE of God, as 'Vishnu', COMMENCES; (although the embodied soul of Brahma Baba, through whom God enacts the ROLE, as 'Vishnu', is STILL IMPURE at that time); and the VERY SAME soul of Brahma Baba THEN becomes instrumental to enact the role of PRACTICAL 'Vishnu', ONLY at the very end of Confluence Age, or in the very beginning of G A, when both his body and soul are PURE! The DIFFICULTY in PERCEIVING ACCURATELY arises, due to considering the embodied soul as the DOER or the ONE who GETS DONE, rather than God HIMSELF - who, IN FACT, is the ACTUAL DOER or the ONE who GETS DONE! The DELUSIVE body-conscious concepts ALLOW Ravan or Maya to KICK-IN with 'DUALITY' - ALL, as per Drama Plan!

The roles ENACTED by God, as Brahma & Shankar (AS WELL AS Vishnu) have to be ESSENTIALLY SIMULTANEOUS, during Confluence Age!

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by mbbhat » 19 Sep 2016

It is said that the role of Brahma is fixed till the end. So, is it now the role of Brahma going on, or the role of Shankar? Or maybe they switch from time to time. Please, elaborate!
All the three roles are going on simultaneously. Baba says- become master trimurtis. So, should be all the three TOGETHER, is it not?

But- in the beginning, it was mainly the role of Brahma/creation through his corporeal body, since Knowledge can only be conveyed SENSIBLY to embodied IMPURE souls through a corporeal mouth of a corporeal body, and CANNOT be conveyed EFFECTIVELY through INSPIRATION, since embodied IMPURE souls will NOT be in a position to CATCH ANYTHING in the correct perspective, OWING TO THEIR IMPURE INTELLECTS. Even AFTER revealing the Knowledge through a corporeal mouth of a corporeal body, body-conscious souls are MISUNDERSTANDING/MISINTERPRETING/MISREPRESENTING/MISAPPROPRIATING same, based on CORRUPTED & ADULTERATED CONCEPTS of Ravan Rajya, and DELUSIVELY CONSIDERING same to be the UNLIMITED CLARIFICATIONS originating from God - so what would the the SITUATION or CONDITION, IF God had to convey the Knowledge through INSPIRATION???

Till we become PURE, COMPLETE & POWERFUL, the part of physical destruction cannot take place, as already declared by God Himself. So, that is a later occurrence based on, or governed by, our own COMPLETE STAGE.

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by sita » 23 Sep 2016

On the path of Bhakti, it is shown that Shankar burns down Kamdeva (deity of lust) by opening his third eye. Do you believe this depiction has something to do in common with whatever happens there in the Confluence Age. If you believe that Shankar is the role of Subtle Brahma, do you believe that wining over lust is only possible after leaving the physical body, or is it possible also whilst living in the physical body.

In the Murli it is said that the karmateet stage will be achieved only at the end. What, in your opinion, is meant here when it is said the end. It is also said that the karmic accounts of everyone will finish at the same time and all will go back together. If karmateet stage is there only at the end, if it is not the end now, will it not go against the Murli, if we claim someone has achieved karmateet stage now.

It is said that Brahma becomes Vishnu in one second. If Brahma is now subtle and Vishnu is the dual form of Lakshmi and Narayan, when will this second of transformation take place. For eg. when Brahma Baba enters a womb?

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by mbbhat » 23 Sep 2016

sita wrote:On the path of Bhakti, it is shown that Shankar burns down Kamdeva (deity of lust) by opening his third eye. Do you believe this depiction has something to do in common with whatever happens there in the Confluence Age. If you believe that Shankar is the role of Subtle Brahma, do you believe that wining over lust is only possible after leaving the physical body, or is it possible also whilst living in the physical body.
On the path of Bhakti, many WRONG things have ALSO been shown. Kindly view reply here- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2611&p=51881&sid=8 ... c8a#p51881

BTW- Baba has said- in Bhakti, one arjun is shown, but actually, you all are arjuns. Baba has also said- you all are Master trimurtis, Master Jagatpitas, Master Jagadambas. In that context, we all are eligible to have this title from now itself- even the title of Vishnu, because we are instrumental to give sustenance also. SO THE CORRECT CONTEXT HAS TO BE UNDERSTOOD. ...
....So, if Shankar is represented as complete form, then (in that context), it is applicable to subtle Brahma.
Brahma Baba (in the role of Shankar, COMBINED with ShivBaba) has ALREADY BURNT down Kamdeva (deity of lust), in HIMSELF, by having his OWN THIRD EYE opened, by the time he achieves his 'sampurna karmateet avastha' in 1969, ITSELF! This has occurred in the Conf Age, the memorial of which exists on the path of Bhakti, although in a DISTORTED manner! The bodily 'guru' of the PBKs, and the PBKs themselves, are SO BLIND, that they have NOT EVEN PERCEIVED, SO FAR, that Brahma Baba, who is instrumental to enact the role of Shankar, along with ShivBaba, after 1969, has COMPLETELY WON OVER LUST, WHILE HE WAS LIVING, INSIDE HIS IMPURE CORPOREAL BODY, and hence the question of winning over lust, AFTER leaving his corporeal body, in 1969, DOES NOT ARISE AT ALL!!! God has CLEARLY DECLARED that Brahma Baba has achieved his COMPLETE ANGELIC STAGE, in 1969, ITSELF! So, -Virendra Dev Dixit is NOT ONLY A COMPLETE SPIRITUAL MORON, but ALSO COMPLETELY SPIRITUALLY BLIND, for him not to be able to understand or perceive what God HIMSELF has CLEARLY DECLARED in various Versions of the AVs, IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS (for those with a DIVINE INTELLECT)!!!
In the Murli it is said that the karmateet stage will be achieved only at the end. What, in your opinion, is meant here when it is said the end.
Post No.200 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... &start=260

Again, -Virendra Dev Dixit is NOT ONLY A COMPLETE SPIRITUAL MORON, but ALSO COMPLETELY SPIRITUALLY BLIND - for not understanding that when Brahma Baba achieved his 'karmateet avastha' in 1969, that time is THE END for THIS PARTICULAR EXCLUSIVE SOUL - while the end, for all other embodied souls, including the SPIRITUAL MORONS, like -Virendra Dev Dixit & the PBKs, has YET TO COME; and further, for not perceiving what God has CLEARLY DECLARED about Brahma Baba having ALREADY ACHIEVED the 'sampurna karmateet avastha', in 1969, ITSELF, in so many Versions of the AVs, in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS!
It is also said that the karmic accounts of everyone will finish at the same time and all will go back together. If karmateet stage is there only at the end, if it is not the end now, will it not go against the Murli, if we claim someone has achieved karmateet stage now.
I have not heard. Please quote the Murli point saying that the karmic accounts of everyone will finish "at the same time*".
Regarding going back together, it has been CLEARLY STATED that Brahma Baba is WAITING for everyone else to become complete, so that ALL CAN THEN GO BACK TOGETHER!
There are also Murli points which say- first baaraath (marriage party) will go. Others will go next.
Murli points clearly say- when Krishna takes birth, still some impure souls would be there.
As stated above, Brahma Baba achieved his 'sampurna karmateet avastha' in 1969, and that time is THE END for THIS PARTICULAR EXCLUSIVE SOUL! It is NOT the BKWSU or PBKIVV, or some Dadis or some Didis, or some BKs, who have CLAIMED that Brahma Baba has achieved his 'sampurna karmateet avastha' in 1969 - but this FACT has been CLEARLY DECLARED by God HIMSELF, in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, in various AVs! If -Virendra Dev Dixit & the PBKs choose to be DUMB & BLIND, and voluntarily choose to remain as MORONS, by NOT UNDERSTANDING what God has SAID, it is NOT the FAULT of God, but the RANK STUPIDITY of -Virendra Dev Dixit & the PBKs!!!
It is said that Brahma becomes Vishnu in one second. If Brahma is now subtle and Vishnu is the dual form of Lakshmi and Narayan, when will this second of transformation take place. For eg. when Brahma Baba enters a womb?
Baba sometimes says approximately. Post No. 64- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... tely#p9180
The EXACT SECOND of transformation from Brahma to Vishnu for the soul of Brahma Baba is when he enters the womb of the mother and takes birth as Shri Krishna of G A!
View post in link - viewtopic.php?f=40&p=51888#p51882
BKWSU SM, Revised 20.09.2016 wrote: शिव है परमपिता परमात्मा। ब्रह्मा, विष्णु, शंकर के भी चित्र हैं। परमपिता परमात्मा ब्रह्मा द्वारा स्थापना कर रहे हैं। विष्णुपुरी सामने खड़ी है। विष्णु द्वारा नई दुनिया की पालना। विष्णु है राधे-कृष्ण के दो रूप

Shiva is the Supreme Father Supreme Soul. There are also pictures of Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar. The Supreme Father Supreme Soul, is carrying out establishment through Brahma. The ‘Land of Vishnu’ is just ahead. The New World is sustained by Vishnu. Vishnu is the dual-form of Radhe & Krishna.
*- BTW- Do PBKs believe all return together? Mostly No. PBKs believe first Mr Dixit returns. Sometimes they say BVS return first ???

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by sita » 23 Sep 2016

From what you have replied, I derive that you rather accept the depiction of Shankar burning Kamdeva on the path of Bhakti, and for you it refers to subtle Brahma. Because you have not replied fully, I speculate that for you it is not possible to achieve victory over lust whilst in corporeal body, and for that, one has to leave the body and become a subtle angel. Please, correct me if I am wrong.

I am unable to provide quotes for the points I have mentioned. I have memorized them. But there are these quotes about the karmateet stage that will be achieved only at the end.

"Not that Mama and Baba have become complete. The complete stage will be achieved only in the end. Presently nobody can call himself complete." (14.11.78)

"Nobody has become complete in 16 celestial arts, until one continues to make efforts(purusharth). Nobody has the courage to say that he/she has become complete in 16 celestial arts. Nobody can become. This will happen only in the end. Although someone may remain awake day and night, but they cannot become complete. If anyone becomes complete now, he/she will have to leave the body and sit in the Subtle Region." (27.9.77, pg.3)

"When the number wise Karmateet stage is achieved the war will also begin." (22.6.75, pg.3)

"When Baba reaches the Karmateet stage you children will also attain this stage....but this Karmateet stage will be achieved only in the end." (3.5.73, night class)

"When the Karmateet stage is achieved, the Yagya shall end." (7.11.73, pg.3)

"Do not think that some children have attained Karmateet stage, and the race is going on. Race will end only when the final result will be out. Then the destruction will also begin. Till then this rehearsal will go on. Until the Karmateet stage is attained we cannot criticize anyone." (25.7.76, pg.1)

Here it is said that karmateet stage will be achieved at the end and war/destruction will start. What is the meaning of the end and war/destruction? When will that be? Baba has also said that when Brahma Baba achieves the karmateet stage children will also achieve. If we have not achieved that, is it justified to claim that someone has achieved it?

"On one side the war will be ready - on the other side the Karmateet stage will be ready. There is full connection (between the two). Then the study will be over." (7.1.73, pg.1)

"When this study ends, you will attain the Karmateet stage number wise." (8.10.73, pg.2)

"When the children attain the Karmateet stage, the knowledge will end. The war shall begin. I will also return after completing my task of purification. My role is to establish the deity religion."(29.1.78, pg.2)

Here Baba has said that there is connection between the study and karmateet stage. Destruction will start only when we are complete. There are also some points that the study is already over. Baba has already told us whatever he had to tell us. Does this mean that we have achieved the karmateet stage? Is the study really over? Obviously we are still making efforts. Then why Baba has said that the study is over?

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by sita » 26 Sep 2016

If ANY PBK really believes that their ‘Living God’ is inside a corporeal body, then they should get the following Pure Versions of God, regarding Shankar, CLARIFIED from their ‘Living God’, for the benefit of ALL CONCERNED. View link - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2611&start=60#p51773

In particular, the point regarding Shankar, in following link, should be CLARIFIED SPECIFICALLY -
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2602&p=51327&hilit=Shankar#p51327
According to ‘MAHA-MURKH’ -Virendra Dev Dixit, was the above Pure Version spoken by a ‘Living God’ or a ‘Dead God’??? If there is a ‘Living God’ operating through the corporeal body of ‘MAHA-MURKH’ -Virendra Dev Dixit, why was this particular Version NEVER clarified to the BLIND PBKs, so far??? Why was it DELIBERATELY kept HIDDEN from them??? Or is it that their 'Living God' has AGAIN gone on a LONG HOLIDAY, like he is supposed to have done in his previous corporeal body???
You know in the Murli it is said that Prajapita and Shankar are different. We take this to mean that Prajapita is the impure soul and Shankar is a mixed part. When this soul of Prajapita achieves a subtle stage, then he can be called Shankar. And we believe that a subtle stage is the stage that whilst we are in a corporeal body, our mind is subtle, it does not think of gross, material things, but it is a surrendered intellect, that thinks only about matters of knowledge and service. That's why Shankar is said to be an angel and pure, because the 'feet' of his intellect do not touch the 'ground' of body-consciousness.

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by sita » 27 Sep 2016

BKWSU AV 18.11.1981, Revised 25.09.2016 wrote: जिसकी निशानी, जैसे ब्रह्मा बाप को देखा - सदा अपने सम्पूर्ण स्टेज और भविष्य प्रालब्ध अर्थात् फरिश्ता स्वरूप, और देवपद स्वरूप, दोनों ही सदा ऐसे स्पष्ट स्मृति में रहते थे, जो सामने जाने वाले भी, पुरूषार्थी स्वरूप होते हुए भी, फरिश्ता रूप और भविष्य श्रीकृष्ण का रूप देखते और वर्णन करते थे।

You (Righeous Children) also SAW (when Brahma Baba was STILL in his corporeal body, just prior he became Avyakt, in 1969) the sign of this in Father Brahma (REAL Prajapita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR). He CONSTANTLY HAD his (FINAL) stage of perfection (at the VERY END of Confluence Age) and his FUTURE reward (in the VERY BEGINNING of G A) in his awareness (while he was STILL in his LAST, IMPURE corporeal body). His ANGELIC FORM and his DEITY FORM were both CONSTANTLY CLEAR in his awareness, IN SUCH A WAY, that those who came before him, in spite of being an effort-maker, SAW and SPOKE (PAST TENSE, prior 1969) of his ANGELIC FORM and his FUTURE FORM of Shri Krishna (of G ANO CHANCE of this CLEAR DECLARATION, made by God HIMSELF, in this Version, pertaining to any other embodied soul, other than Brahma Baba or soul of DLR).
In the above point it is said that although Brahma Baba was still an effort-maker, because he used to hold in his awareness, his future angelic and deity forms, so he used to look like an angel and like Shri Krishna.


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ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!

And Brahma Baba PRACTICALLY ACHIEVED THAT subtle stage, which is the stage, that WHILE Brahma Baba was STILL playing his part through an IMPURE corporeal body, his mind was subtle and stable, he did not think of gross, material things, but he had a COMPLETELY surrendered intellect, and thought only about matters of Pure, UNADULTERATED Knowledge and SPEEDY Spiritual Service - in order to set a FIRST-HAND PRACTICAL EXAMPLE for the other Righteous Children to follow, while they too continue to make spiritual efforts through their own impure corporeal bodies, to be able to FINALLY achieve SUCH A SUBTLE STAGE, like Brahma Baba, WHILE STILL being within their impure corporeal bodies, BEFORE they too EVENTUALLY become 'Avyakt', to be able to return with REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God back to the Soul World, and then come back into Pure corporeal bodies to enact their Pure roles in RamRajya!

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by sita » 28 Sep 2016

And Brahma Baba PRACTICALLY ACHIEVED THAT subtle stage, which is the stage, that WHILE Brahma Baba was STILL playing his part through an IMPURE corporeal body, his mind was subtle and stable, he did not think of gross, material things, but he had a COMPLETELY surrendered intellect, and thought only about matters of Pure, UNADULTERATED Knowledge and SPEEDY Spiritual Service - in order to set a FIRST-HAND PRACTICAL EXAMPLE for the other Righteous Children to follow, while they too continue to make spiritual efforts through their own impure corporeal bodies, to be able to FINALLY achieve SUCH A SUBTLE STAGE, like Brahma Baba, WHILE STILL being within their impure corporeal bodies, BEFORE they too EVENTUALLY become 'Avyakt', to be able to return with REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God back to the Soul World, and then come back into Pure corporeal bodies to enact their Pure roles in RamRajya!
It has been said many times in the Avyakt Vanis to reveal our angelic stage through our face. Does it mean we have become pure yet?


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Brahma Baba has ALREADY, PRACTICALLY DEMONSTRATED the ACT of revealing his ANGELIC STAGE, through the face of his IMPURE corporeal body, prior 1969, to set a PRACTICAL EXAMPLE for other concerned Righteous Children to follow, FIRST-HAND! That is why it is mentioned in the Murlis to (1) FOLLOW Father, (2) FOLLOW Mother & Father, and (3) FOLLOW Brahma - ALL of which SIGNIFY that concerned Righteous Children should FOLLOW REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God (as the 'Parlokik' Father), THROUGH REAL Prajapita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR (as the 'Alokik' Mother, AS WELL AS, as the 'Alokik' Father)!

The concerned Righteous Children who were not fortunate enough to get the DOUBLE-LOTTERY of experiencing God through the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, prior 1969, have STILL the OPPORTUNITY of going EVEN AHEAD of many of those Children, by experiencing God through the subtle body of Brahma Baba, after 1969, through their Divine Intellects or their THIRD EYE - and, IN MANY CASES, this latter EXPERIENCE can be EVEN MORE PRONOUNCED than the EXPERIENCE through the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, prior 1969! The very fact that Brahma Baba DOES NOT take ANOTHER impure body in Confluence Age, means that the soul of Brahma Baba is SO PURE that he CANNOT take ANOTHER IMPURE corporeal body in Confluence Age, and has to WAIT UNTIL he is able to take a PURE body, at the VERY END of Confluence Age or the VERY BEGINNING of
G A! Thus, the Pure soul of Brahma Baba is NOW SIMPLY WAITING for the other concerned Righteous Children to ALSO become pure - which INCLUDES the souls of 'MAHA-MURKH' -Virendra Dev Dixit & the BLIND PBKs, AS WELL!

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by sita » 28 Sep 2016

by experiencing God through the subtle body of Brahma Baba, after 1969, through their Divine Intellects or their THIRD EYE
This is against the Murli. God does not enter the subtle dweller.
this latter EXPERIENCE can be EVEN MORE PRONOUNCED than the EXPERIENCE through the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, prior 1969!
The proof that the experiences you speak about are only words is that you boast about them that they may be even better than the experience through a corporeal body, whilst the fact is that you can know which is better only if you have experienced both and be able to compare. Since you cannot, there is no margin to compare. Your friend mbbhat will tell you that grapes are sour. But again where the question of any experience can arise, where the foundation is of Bhakti or ignorance. The result will be accordingly.
Thus, the Pure soul of Brahma Baba is NOW SIMPLY WAITING for the other concerned Righteous Children to ALSO become pure - which INCLUDES the souls of 'MAHA-MURKH' -Virendra Dev Dixit & the BLIND PBKs, AS WELL!
The propaganda that Brahma Baba is now pure is against the Murli. In the impure world no one is pure. When Brahma Baba becomes pure all will become pure. Souls will become pure only at the end. But everyone has the right to believe whatever he likes.

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by shivsena » 21 Dec 2016

Murli 3-8-16 says: "परमपिता परमात्मा की जीवन कहानी कोई भी नहीं जानते। सर्वव्यापी कहने से जीवन कहानी थोड़ेही हो जाती है। तुम बच्चे अभी परमपिता परमात्मा की जीवन कहानी को जानते हो, यानी आदि-मध्य-अन्त को जानते हो।"

What is Nirakaar Parampita Paramatma-bindi ki jeevan-kahani ???
What is Nirakaar-Bindi-ShivBap ka adi-madya-anth ???

Can any bk please explain.

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post by mbbhat » 21 Dec 2016

shivsena wrote:What is Nirakaar Parampita Paramatma-bindi ki jeevan-kahani ???
What is Nirakaar-Bindi-ShivBap ka adi-madya-anth ???
http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... aphy#p4085

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