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Post by shivsena » 29 Jan 2017

Murli 21-1-17 says:
"ब्रह्मा, विष्णु, शंकर को गॉड फादर नहीं कहेंगे।"

If Shankar is going to be revealed as Shivshankar Bholenath Bhagwan Godfather (as per PBKs), Then why Murlis says that B-V-S ko Godfather nahi kahenge. ??... Please share your views.

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Post by sita » 29 Jan 2017

God Father is the Supreme Father. God is always God and a human is always a human. A human cannot become God and God cannot become human.

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Post by Anjaneya » 04 Feb 2017

Advance Party ki vishesh seva hei Vishva ke rajya bhagyake adhikari bannevali athmavonko thayar karna, tho jin athmavonke pass Advance Party ka janm huva hei un athmavonko thayar karna nimith banna hei. Voh variety prakarka athmaye hei, koyi bhakth athma hei koyi rajya adhikari leneka sahayogi athmaye hei, aur koyi dhanvan hei, koyi positionvale nahi hei lekin positionvalonka samparkvale hei,Tho Aisa prakarke athmavonka sath Advance Party ka janm huva hei. voh log tho apne mukhse gnan nahi sunayenge aur Yoga nahi karayenge LEKIN APNE VIBRATION AUR APNI RAY KI AUTHORITY DWARA. ATHORITY KE BOL AISA HOTHE JO Maa BAPKA SAMPARK VALA SAMAJTHE HEI INKA RAHI BAHUT ACHA HEI. APNA RAHISE AUTHORITISE SNEHA SE BAL CHARITHRASE APNA JEEVAN KEE DHARAN KI VISHESHATHASE VUNHONKO SAHYOGI BANA RAHA HEI. CHARITR SE RAY DE SAKTHE HEI. VAISE GNAN NAHI SUNA SAKTHE Yoga NAHI KARA SAKTHE THO PRACTICAL ROOPME GNAN AUR Yoga KE VIBRATION sanghatan roopse seva aapki hona chahiye. voh aathmaye brahmakumar ban Yoga nahi kara sakthe, aur gnan nahi suna sakthe
Now who is Advance Party and where are they?

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Post by shivsena » 05 Feb 2017

A simple question to all PBKs.

PBKs claim that after 1969, shiv has incarnated in Virendra Dev Dixit and is giving Murli clarifications from 1974.....So BKs would like to know from all PBKs, if the Yagya has been transfered from BKWSU to Aivv after 1969....and is there any mention of it in any Murli-Vani. ??

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Post by sita » 06 Feb 2017

Advance Party ki vishesh seva hei Vishva ke rajya bhagyake adhikari bannevali athmavonko thayar karna, tho jin athmavonke pass Advance Party ka janm huva hei un athmavonko thayar karna nimith banna hei. Voh variety prakarka athmaye hei, koyi bhakth athma hei koyi rajya adhikari leneka sahayogi athmaye hei, aur koyi dhanvan hei, koyi positionvale nahi hei lekin positionvalonka samparkvale hei,Tho Aisa prakarke athmavonka sath Advance Party ka janm huva hei. voh log tho apne mukhse gnan nahi sunayenge aur Yoga nahi karayenge LEKIN APNE VIBRATION AUR APNI RAY KI AUTHORITY DWARA. ATHORITY KE BOL AISA HOTHE JO Maa BAPKA SAMPARK VALA SAMAJTHE HEI INKA RAHI BAHUT ACHA HEI. APNA RAHISE AUTHORITISE SNEHA SE BAL CHARITHRASE APNA JEEVAN KEE DHARAN KI VISHESHATHASE VUNHONKO SAHYOGI BANA RAHA HEI. CHARITR SE RAY DE SAKTHE HEI. VAISE GNAN NAHI SUNA SAKTHE Yoga NAHI KARA SAKTHE THO PRACTICAL ROOPME GNAN AUR Yoga KE VIBRATION sanghatan roopse seva aapki hona chahiye. voh aathmaye brahmakumar ban Yoga nahi kara sakthe, aur gnan nahi suna sakthe
Now who is Advance Party and where are they?

Please quote the the date and present the original sandesh, because I think what you quote here refers to the souls in whose company the Advance Party souls has taken birth that they won't become brahmakumars and tell knowledge or teach Yoga and they get elevated just by coming in contact with the Advance Party souls.
A simple question to all PBKs.

PBKs claim that after 1969, Shiv has incarnated in Veerendra Dev Dixit and is giving Murli clarifications from 1974.....So BKs would like to know from all PBKs, if the Yagya has been transfered from BKWSU to Aivv after 1969....and is there any mention of it in any Murli-Vani. ??
Baap-Dada is sometimes visible directly. Sometimes he seems to be hidden behind the curtains. But BaapDada is always visible before the children ...................why do you make the indestructible relationship destructible by saying, "Baba has gone". Only the part (role) has changed. Just as you change your place of service, Father Brahma has also changed his place of service. Form is the same. Service is the same. Presently the role of thousand-armed Brahma is going on. Because of this only, this form of Brahma is worshipped and remembered in the corporeal world. The arms (i.e, the souls who assist God Shiva in the task of world transformation) cannot work without the Father. The arms are revealing the Father. Revealer is there. That's why the revelation is going on. [Av. 18-1-78 Pg-35]

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post by mbbhat » 06 Feb 2017

sita wrote:1)Baap-Dada is sometimes visible directly. Sometimes he seems to be hidden behind the curtains.
2) But BaapDada is always visible before the children ...
3) why do you make the indestructible relationship destructible by saying, "Baba has gone".
4) Only the part (role) has changed. Just as you change your place of service, Father Brahma has also changed his place of service.
Form is the same. Service is the same.
5) Presently the role of thousand-armed Brahma is going on.
6) Because of this only, this form of Brahma is worshipped and remembered in the corporeal world. The arms (i.e, the souls who assist God Shiva in the task of world transformation) cannot work without the Father.
6) The arms are revealing the Father. Revealer is there. That's why the revelation is going on. [Av. 18-1-78 Pg-35]
1) Do you think- body of Mr. Dixit and/or AIVV is the curtain here?
2) Do you think children here means PBKs? How BapDada is visible to PBKs in the body of Dixit?
3) You stands for BKs or PBKs? [Usually PBKs claim You is said for the Rudrmala souls- flaw No. 468 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&start=1005#p52451 ]
4) In PBK view- the service is different. PBKs believe till 1969, God used to speak through Lekhraj Kirpalani, and it was just role of Mother.
PBKs believe after 1976, they believe God speaks through mouth of Dixit and it is then role of Father, teacher and Sadguru.

PBKs also believe till 1969, it was just title holder personality in Yagya, and after 1976, it is real person.

4a) Who is Father Brahma here- Lekhraj Kirpalani, KD or Mr. Dixit?

5) Who is thousand armed Brahma here- Lekhraj Kirpalani, KD or Mr. Dixit? Who are the arms- BKs or PBKs? If it is PBKs, had there been thousand arms in 1978?

6) Which are the arms that had been revealing the Father in 1978 and how?

[In PBK view- It was Mr. Dixit revealed himself by sending registered post to BKWSU in 1969, not the arms].

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Post by sita » 06 Feb 2017

The Father is sometimes visible (through Gulzar Dadi) and sometimes behind a curtain (in the so called Subtle Region) for the BKs. But he is always visible (always in corporeal) for the PBKs. BKs say Baba has gone back to Paramdham, so they remember there. The role has changed from mother to Father, from Brahma to Shankar. Service of making the impure pure is the same. Form is the same that is corporeal form. In 78 not the full thousand arms were there, the process of gathering of these is still going on, but they have been revealing the Father since 1976.

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Post by mbbhat » 07 Feb 2017

The Father is sometimes visible (through Gulzar Dadi) and sometimes behind a curtain (in the so called Subtle Region) for the BKs. But he is always visible (always in corporeal) for the PBKs.
1) Which Father? Supreme Soul Shiv or Mr. Dixit?

2) Murli point says- presently thousand arms of Brahma are playing the role. So- Who all and/or how many had been the arms in 1976 to 1978?

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Post by sita » 08 Feb 2017

Who all and/or how many had been the arms in 1976 to 1978?
I don't know.

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Post by shivsena » 08 Feb 2017

Today's Murli 8-2-17 says: "कृष्ण है नम्बरवन श्याम सुन्दर। शिवबाबा इनके (ब्रह्मा के) ही तन का आधार लेकर इनको और साथ-साथ तुम बच्चों को श्याम से फिर सुन्दर बनाते हैं।"

Who is this Brahma who becomes shyam-sunder and who are the children who become shyam-sunder along with Brahma(Krishna) ???

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Post by shivsena » 09 Feb 2017

To all PBKs.

Today's Murli 9-2-17 says: "पवित्रता तो बहुत अच्छी है। बाबा खुद कहते हैं काम महाशत्रु है, इनको जीतो।"

Baba likes purity and tells us to become HOLY and YOGI....but Baba enters a patit kami kanta no. 1 ....this entry of God ShivBaba in no.1 impure soul is never documented in any religious scripture or Hindu scriptures.....i do not understand this ambiguity.

Please share your views.

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Post by trueshaiv » 09 Feb 2017

shivsena wrote:Today's Murli 8-2-17 says: "कृष्ण है नम्बरवन श्याम सुन्दर। शिवबाबा इनके (ब्रह्मा के) ही तन का आधार लेकर इनको और साथ-साथ तुम बच्चों को श्याम से फिर सुन्दर बनाते हैं।"

Who is this Brahma who becomes shyam-sunder and who are the children who become shyam-sunder along with Brahma(Krishna) ???
Everything mentioned or sung about in Hindu scriptures from Copper Age is based on the remembrance of the events that take place in Confluence Age and the parts played by the souls on basis of which they get names in scriptures.

Krishna means "Kaala." Apart from the Supreme Soul every other soul comes in cycle or births and deaths and shiv Supreme Soul is the only soul which is everpure. Now as it is said in Murlis all other souls are placed numberwise after him and all of them are students of his knowledge in corporeal world.

So, there should be one soul which takes no. 1 place among all the souls. The rank of the souls are alloted as per their purusharth in Confluence Age. Therefore, as it has been sung in Hindu scriptures about shyam-sundar, it refers to the shyam as well as sundar part played by a specific soul , with the corporeal body, who inspite of being most impure(shyam) makes such an effort and purusharth in Confluence Age that he pays off his debt of bad deeds done from Copper Age through the method of Rajyog and having exact remembrance of shiv Supreme Soul. Hence that's the one soul which becomes satopradhan from tamopradhan in same corporeal form.

That part is played by Sangamyugi Krishna who later on by imbibing more knowledge through churning does exact purusharth and becomes Sangamyugi Narayan who gives birth to Satyugi Krishna("brahma baba")

Thats the only soul who imbibes the knowledge of Supreme Soul by churning over the Murlis and takes task to become Narayan with same corporeal form.

Since Supreme Soul is oonch te oonch baap so he enters this very soul in permanent form to make him satopradhan and other souls as well who learn from Supreme Soul through the permanent Chariot.

Hence the writers of the scriptures get the fragmants of those events in their remembrance from Copper Age and hence mention shyam-sundar part played by Sangamyugi Krishna with corporeal body(which means Kaala) since its the soul at rank 1 who makes the most of diamond age and imbibes qualities equal to Supreme Soul 100%.

But since drama has bound all the souls, apart from Supreme Soul, in the cycle of births and deaths, the same soul which rises with 100% qualities, also plays the part of falling to downmost level among all the souls to rise up again.

If you go through the Murli of 15/09/66 and read everything said till page 4, its been mentioned that souls who come in cycle of births and deaths play all the parts in their total birth cycle, be it a king, a sahukar, a chamaar etc.

These are my views. Any further inputs or views are most welcomed.

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Post by trueshaiv » 10 Feb 2017

shivsena wrote:To all PBKs.
Today's Murli 9-2-17 says: "पवित्रता तो बहुत अच्छी है। बाबा खुद कहते हैं काम महाशत्रु है, इनको जीतो।"
Baba likes purity and tells us to become HOLY and YOGI....but Baba enters a patit kami kanta no. 1 ....this entry of God ShivBaba in no.1 impure soul is never documented in any religious scripture or Hindu scriptures.....i do not understand this ambiguity.
Please share your views.
Its been sung about Pashupatinath in the scriptures and there' s a temple as well which shows the impure stage of the Chariot in which Supreme Soul enters in permanent form and remains till the end of the Confluence Age.

"Pashuon ka pati" which means most impure among all the impure beings and when he gets controlled (usko naathne waale shiv Supreme Soul) by the Supreme Soul, it does purusharth of 100% level and becomes soul of rank 1 among all the souls which come in cycle of births and deaths.

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Post by sita » 12 Feb 2017

So BKs would like to know from all PBKs, if the Yagya has been transfered from BKWSU to Aivv after 1969....and is there any mention of it in any Murli-Vani ??
20.03.74 and pg.1 of the Murli dated 19.02.2000, narrated by ShivBaba at Mount Abu is as follows:

“God the Father is called Spiritual, Knowledgeable. So you will write the name ‘Spiritual University’. No one will object to this, then you will remove those words (P.B.K.) and write the name Spiritual University on the board. Try this out, write: ‘God Fatherly Spiritual University’. This is their aim and objective. There will also be changes in your museums, pictures etc. day by day. Then you will have to write at all the centers: ‘God Fatherly Spiritual University’.”

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Post by sita » 15 Feb 2017

Baba likes purity and tells us to become HOLY and YOGI....but Baba enters a patit kami kanta no. 1 ....this entry of God ShivBaba in no.1 impure soul is never documented in any religious scripture or Hindu scriptures.....i do not understand this ambiguity.
The saying is that I make the biggest thorn into the biggest flower. Big flowers are the lotus and the sunflower. Baba has said that all children are different flowers. Through the knowledge, he makes the mind blossom above the water, although living in the mud, or he makes the face of the mind always face the Sun of Knowledge and deliver oil of remembrance.

Indeed scriptures are written by people and for centuries they have considered impossible that fire and cotton stay together. But this Confluence Age is for to make the impossible possible.

It is true that purity is good, but the purity that is taught by the Supreme Soul, not the purity of the sanyasi. Baba has said that sanyasis are most arrogant and they don't learn because they believe they are god himself and he does not come for the sanyasis and for the family people. He comes for the impure ones and all are impure. Certainly among the impure ones, some will be more and others less. It is said that if we water the seed, we don't have to water the leaves, so if the seed is uplifted, then uplift will follow automatically.

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