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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 27 Feb 2017

# Flaw No. 505) Another Murli point which proves - Shankar is not part in the Shivling:-


1) Murli 25-7-03 says: " शंकर के आगे शिवलिंग दिखाते हैं , तो जरूर शिव , शंकर से बड़ा हुआ ना ...अगर शंकर भगवन का रूप है तो फिर उनके सामने शिवलिंग रखने कि क्या दरकार ??... यह सब संयासिओं का फैलाव है ... वोह तो अपने आप को तत्व-ज्ञानी कहेलाते हैं ... शिव का उनको पता ही नहीं ."

" Shankar ke aage shivling dikhate hain, to jaroor Shiv, Shankar se badaa hua na...Agar Shankar Bhagwan ka roop hai to phir unke saamne shivling rakhne ki kya darkaar ??...yeh sab sanyasion ka failav hai... woh toh apne aap ko tatwa-Gyani kahelate hain...Shiv ka unko pataa hi nahin."

= In front of Shankar, Shivling is placed. So- definitely Shiv is higher than Shankar. ...

This Murli point implies- Shankar is totally different than Shivling, and hence cannot be a part of/in the Shivling.

2) And- sometimes, especially/mostly, during Shivratri, people put a human face on Shivling- which implies- the face is that of the Chariot.
So- the PBk theory which says- "the ling ITSELF is the Chariot, and only diamond/point on it is Shiv" goes wrong once again.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 27 Feb 2017

Baba has not said this. You can claim it has been implied, but this is also difficult to prove. And there is a vast difference between said and implied. You are not even able to interpret it, because you have no ground. Baba has said that scriptures are about the Confluence Age.
Here. You have no ground is not deleted. It is there in the post.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 28 Feb 2017

sita wrote:Here. You have no ground is not deleted. It is there in the post.
109) That is fine. I am not sure, whether you have added later, but it seems that it was my mistake. I had not noticed it the second time, while reading the post.
I have no problem to admit my mistake. So- you are right here, at least!
So- far- no PBK has admitted their mistakes (you have admitted at some places only). That is OK.
Baba has not said this. You can claim it has been implied, but this is also difficult to prove. And there is a vast difference between said and implied. a) You are not even able to interpret it, b) because you have no ground. Baba has said that scriptures are about the Confluence Age.
110) So- now regarding the comments-

---a) First of all, to what extent PBK interpretations are right? They have been proved to be very wrong. Then what right do they have to accuse others?
--- And- in BK view- Bhakti scriptures and pictures are accurate only "aatey may namak", so- there is neither a need, nor is it possible to interpret everything said there. - from BK point of view.

b) BKs believe majority of the Bhakti memorials are of Conf Age, not all. You may be claiming the above(all the memorials are of Conf Age) - just on basis of - one/isolated Murli point.
OK, let me step back, and agree that my interpretation is not accurate.

111)In the topic- I am proving the PBK philosophy is wrong. [Not that my interpretation is fully right.- Hope so-called Gyani tu atmas have ability to realize at least this much]. So- PBKs should first defend their claims. But instead, PBK method in a debate is - if there is weakness in others, then it is like a proof that - the concerned PBK is perfectly alright.

So- the comment by the PBK in 110) is silly.

112) It is PBKs who sometimes place the Bhakti pictures above Murli (say something else against what is said in Murli).

But, when PBKs fail to defend their own claims, they DEVIATE from the discussion on core points of knowledge, or what they claim, and just find faults or weaknesses in others- or resort to character assassination (even when such matters are not of the core knowledge).

It is like a handicapped person arguing/claiming - I am perfectly healthy, by seeing some minor disease in others.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 28 Feb 2017

# Flaw No. 506) Do PBKs speak only what Baba has said?:-
sita wrote:I have only said what Baba has said.
113) Is it? PBKs say many things what Baba has not said.
sita wrote:Baba has given many examples about Krishna for eg. he troubles his mother, him being along with Kansa, dancing with gopies and he says that all of these are about the Confluence Age
114) Has baba said "Krishna troubling Father too?" In PBK view- Krishna troubles both KD, as well as Mr Dixit - rides on and controls/misuse both of them*.

115) SM 22-03-73(3):- Krishn toh maataa ke garbh se niklaa. Toh unko patitpaavan kaise kahenge? ABHEE tum bachche jaante ho Parampita Paramatma ko Prajapitaa Brahma ke tan may hee anaa hai. Prajapita to zaroor yahaan hee honaa chaahiye na. ISLIYE inkaa naam Brahma rakh sakte hain. Main is saadharan tan may pravesh kartaa hun.

Do PBKs believe Krishn took birth through mother's womb in Conf. Age? Which Krishna (DLR or Virendra Dev Dixit) and when, and who is the mother, in each case?

116) You have not addressed to what Baba has said to - "Golden Dwarka got drowned". How does it apply to Conf. Age?

117) Regarding Sri lanka- PBKs say- "baba has said- the whole world lanka". But, Baba has also said- whole India/Bharat is magadh.
So- my intention was- when PBKs like to take the other Magadh (UP State) too, [put in Flaw No. 12 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=31957&hilit=magadh#p31957 ],
they should be able to explain about Lanka - IN THE SAME WAY- WHICH IS THEIR OWN VIEW, is it not? . So- I was putting questions "in their view" But, unfortunately, PBKs do not have ability to realize simplest of simple things. They cannot even recognize the question. - even when it is they who had started to interpret in that way[ or many ways- which they call as LIMITED and UNLIMITED

* - In PBK view- Dadi Gulzar's health gets adverse due to entrance of ghost in her. So- it is as good as he is a trouble even to her (that too for several decades). So- if they like to address even this- they may do so.

118) You still did not address to many points. You just like to throw ball to the other person's court, and when the ball is returned back to your court, you act as if it has not come.
You have not addressed to SEVERAL SUCH THINGS, just reminding you the last ones - said in 104, 105 and 107. [as well as flaw no. 505].

How PBKs get humiliated - PBKs initially say and mock temple of Ajmer is of B baba, then they say- it can also be of Mr. Dixit! - already put, if you need, I can give link.

In the yaadgaars - Krishna is is shown as God of Gita. PBKs believe DLR is not Conf. Aged Krishna, but only G Aged Krishna- but still they call him as Krishna from 1936 itself! Then is there title holder Conf. aged Krishna too- in PBK view?

So- dear PBKs, if you are really Gyani tu atmas, kindly show the courage to address the main issues before accusing the others. There are lots of points put here, which you have been conveniently dodging.

Sita soul expects mbbhat to take what she/he has given as food for thought. But, to what extent PBKs have taken what is given/shown to them. To what extent they have churned on them or have shown ability to ask their Chariot and share the replies with others?
They just give the impression that ShivBaba is in 'Sakar' through -Virendra Dev Dixit, but they have no ready means or ability, or 'Sakar' connection with him, to seek clarifications from him regarding INNUMERABLE Murli points being CONSTANTLY highlighted on this forum, which go TOTALLY against AIVV philosophy. Hope you are able to re-cognize this much, at least, by now???

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 28 Feb 2017

The sanyas religion is presented like a separate religion in the picture of the tree, like a branch and the deity religion is the trunk.

About Vishnu, Baba has said that the discus of self realization, the conch etc. all of these has to be given to Brahmins, deities in the Golden Age, don't have these. So is Vishnu with the swadarshanchakra etc., does he belong to the Golden Age or the Confluence Age. For Lakshmi Narayan also it is said that they were born in 1976, is this the Golden Age?

You have not given example from the scriptures that refer to the Golden Age.

Regarding that Magadh refer to Bharat it is alright, because it was already established that Bharat refer to a living soul.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 01 Mar 2017

sita wrote:The sanyas religion is presented like a separate religion in the picture of The Tree, like a branch and the deity religion is the trunk.
119) Did not address to the point. To which religion the title sanaatan applies? - Does it apply to both? Why sanaatan is used for the sanyaas religion? This was the point.
Regarding that Magadh refer to Bharat it is alright, because it was already established that Bharat refer to a living soul.
120) Again not addressed to the point. You were asked to say about Sri Lanka in similar way like Magadh. But you did not.
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# Flaw No. 507) Some Bhakti scriptures/memorials may refer to whole of the Kalpa:-

Continuing the discussion of the Bhakti scriptures-
sita wrote:You have not given example from the scriptures that refer to the Golden Age.
121) Already said in point No. 107 . Read all the Murli points on mala.

SM 07-11-72(3):- ShivBaba kee mala, Vishnu ke maalaa mash_hur hai. Braahman hee rudr_maalaa may jaate hain. Braahmanon kee maalaa ban naheen saktee. Ek bhaktmaalaa kaa bhee shaastr hai. Yah hai rudrmala. Krishnmala hotee naheen. Vishnu kee mala hai. Vah jodaa huvaa pravruttimaarg kaa Vishnu. Yah Sakar jodaa. Vah hai pavan. Toh manushy kahenge na inn jaisaa paavan banaavo.

= ....There is VishnuMala. It is couple of household path of Vishnu. This is (VishnuMala is about) corporeal couple. They are pure. So, people say- Make us pure like these.

121a) Baba is referring to the VishnuMala/Vishnu whom people get attracted spiritually.
----When the PBk Vishnu would be pure? In 1976? In 2008, 2016/18 or ...?
----Who are manushy/people here? Do they belong to Conf. Age? Or at least are they referring to a picture of Conf. Aged personality like Mr Dixit?

SM 1-3-89(1):- Sanyasi ke liye kahenge Brahm may leen huva. Nirvaan gaya. Parantu nirvan koyi jaataa nahin hai. Yah tum jaante ho. Rudra mala kaise bani hai. Rund mala bhi hai. Vishnu ki Rajdhani ki mala bhi banti hai. Ab mala ke raaz ko tum bachche hi jante ho. Rudr ki mala kiska naam hai. Rund mala kiska naam hain. Vishnu ki Rajdhani ki maalaa banti hai. Numberwaar purushaarth anusaar hi mala may piroye jaate hain. -83

= To sanyaasis, it is said they got merged in brahm. They went to nirvana. But nobody goes into nirvana (Silence world). This you know. How rudr mala got formed. There is also rund mala. Mala of kingdom of Vishnu also gets formed. Now, only you children know secrets of mala. Whose name is in rudr mala? Whose name is in rund mala? Mala of Kingdom of Vishnu gets formed. (Beads get) added into mala according to effort numberwise.

121b)Kingdom of Vishnu is in G Age. So- it applies to there. YOU CANNOT DENY IT. - So- in Bk view point as well as Murli point of view, it is right.

Moreover, Baba has salso said- pure things are worshiped. Deities are pure. So- they apply to G Age as well. [Also see points 127 to 132 below]

You may say PBk Vishnu's Kingdom begins from 1976 itself. - from the Murli point. That is OK. Left to you. But, to what extent can PBKs prove it? (see below)
About Vishnu, Baba has said that the discus of self realization, the conch etc. all of these has to be given to Brahmins, deities in the Golden Age, don't have these. So is Vishnu with the swadarshanchakra etc., does he belong to the Golden Age or the Confluence Age.
122) To whom are you asking to prove?
In Bk view- the pictures are not fully right. It is a mixture. Titles of braahmins are given to deities. Because braahmins are not perfect. Baba has clearly said about this.

It is PBKs who claim braahmins can have name deities(Vishnu) from 1976 itself by using a Murli point. But, the same Murli point says- Unrighteousness in Bharat had come to end. So- has it come to end in 1976? These are discussed. So- if PBKs wish to prove, they should be able to prove whole, or just tail?

More on PBK views- on destruction -
Flaw No. 403 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=52082#p52082 .

123) Baba says- there cannot be worship of braahmins, since their body is impure. If you believe Kingdom of PBk Vishnu has started from 1976 itself, and Vishnu picture is actually for Mr. Dixit, etc, etc, is he pure to be worship-worthy?

Or you may give the date 2016/2018, or even 2036 or anything. But, deities only are worshiped. To become worship-worthy, body also has to be pure. PBKs believe - body of Mr. Dixit will become pure only AFTER he returns from Paramdham. - then "even in their view" he would be a complete deity(G Aged), not a braahmin (Conf,. Aged) . So- take any date, no worship can happen to Mr. Dixit or any Conf. Aged personality in the same impure body!*

124) So- the PBk concept of Conf. Aged L and N are not worship-worthy. Then obviously worship is of heavenly deities, is it not? So- yaadgaar is of both- Conf. Aged and heaven.
For Lakshmi Narayan also it is said that they were born in 1976, is this the Golden Age
125) Already said about the BK view. Baba had said so to motivate children to put effort. (also a test for the children).

126) But, kindly note that- by sticking to 1976, get only second class position - Flaw No. 135 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51005&hilit ... ass#p51005

You may also take flaw No. 172.

* 126) But, only Jagadamba is worshiped in simple/ordinary body. This is an exception. That could be due to her extraordinary purity, since she was a complete virgin- both in lowkik, as well as alowkik life.
But, mostly she is not worshiped in VIDHI_POORVAK way (no decoration, no abhishek, etc) like deities - L, N, R and S. And, mostly, her temples are lesser when compared to Lakshmi.

127) You may argue "the worship/statues/memorials do not belong to the scriptures, since the stories/charitr written in scriptures are not of Golden Age" and claim- "we should not see what is shown, we should see only what is written in scripture or what people do during festivals, etc".

Take an example of festival- DEEPAVALI. People clean the house before inviting Lakshmi. It means they are inviting pure (G Aged lakshmi). People also change their dress- which implies changing the body- which clearly shows it belongs to Golden Age.

So- most of the part in the scriptures are of Conf. Age, but some part refer to Golden Age too.

128) Take another example- where Baba says- snake leaving body is actually for G Aged, not to the Conf. Age.

SM 18-10-77(3):- Ab paarlowkik Baap kahte hain yah puraane sharir kaa bhaan chodo. Gyaan se, apney buddhi se is sharir may rahte bhaan chodnaa hai. Yah abhi samajhte hain jaise sarp khal chodtaa hai aur nayi letaa hai, TOH YAH BAATH ABHI SE NAHIN LAGTI. Satyug SE LAGTI HAI. Toh tum bhi Satyug se lekar khal chodnaa shuru karenge. – 70, 70- [SP, oldbody]

Of course, the practice is done in this birth. But, practically we would be leaving body like snake for 21/20 births (throughout heaven), not just for one birth (in Cong. Age)!

129) The title Shyaamsundar - applies to the whole of the Kalpa , including Hell. half a Kalpa pure, half a Kalpa impure.

130) The names - Brahma's day and night- once again applies to whole of the Kalpa- first half is DAY, the other half is NIGHT.

131) Baba says- the five varnas- which are also mentioned in scriptures- braahmin, devtaa, kshatriy, vaishy, shudr. So- it applies to all the five ages in a Kalpa.

So- kindly note that in some yaadgaars- whole of the Kalpa is included

132) In scriptures, it is written Heaven, and hell. Do you think it does not apply to the heaven and hell of 5000 yrs drama?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 01 Mar 2017

# Flaw No. 508) Mr. Dixit's stay in Shantidham- only a second?-

1) In PBk view- Mr. Dixit would be the last soul to leave the corporeal world at the end of the Kalpa*.

2) They also believe- his soul will fly to Paramdham and return to the same body within less than a second.
3) The reason for these two claims is there is a Murli point which says- the Chariot would stay in corporeal world for the whole 5000 yrs- not even a day less.

15.10.69 Sakar Murli - “-“Abhi toh koi bhi kalaa nahi hai, unki kuch bhi mahima thodey hee hai. Manushya thodey hee yah jaantey hain. Jo bhi badey tay badey hain athava mahatma aadi hain koi kee bhi taqdeer may nahi hai. Bahut karke toh hai gareebon kee taqdeer may. Itnaa oonch Baap hai toh unko toh Raja athava pavitra rishi kay tan may aana chaahiye, pavitra hotey hee hain sanyaasi. Pavitra kanya kay tan may aavey. Parantu kaayda nahi hai. Baap so fir Kumari par kaisey savaari karengey? Baap baith samjhaatey hain, main kis may aata hoon. Main toh aata hee usmay hoon, jo ki poorey 84 janma letey hain, ek din bhi kam nahee.””

“Now there is no kalaa (degree of soul consciousness). There are no praises for them. People do not know this. It is not in the fate/luck of any of the highest personalities or great souls etc. Mostly it is in the luck of poor people. "(Lowkik People think) He is such a highest Father. So He should enter into a body of a king or pure sage. Monks are only pure. He should come in the body of a pure virgin." But it is not according to the rule. He is a Father, so how can He ride on the body of a virgin? Father sits and explains ‘whom do I enter into?’ I enter into the body of that soul only, which takes complete 84 births. Not even a day less."

4) But,

SM 23-1-81(3):- Yah anaadi avinaashi world drama hai jo chakr lagaataa hee rahtaa hai. Atma kab vinaash nahin hoti. SHANTIDHAM MAY BHI THODAA SAMAY THAHARNAA HEE PADEY. Yah bahut samajhney ki baatein hain. Kaliyug hai dukhdhaam. -30

= This is imperishable preordained drama- which eternally keeps of rotating. Soul never perishes. Definitely- there is need to stay in Shantidham (at least) for some period. ...

Is this "some period" less than a second - "in PBK view" ?

*5) Actually, the claim 1) fails- because- the following Murli point says- when Krishna takes birth, some impure (people) will still be remaining- which means they are yet to return to Paramdham. So- how can Mr. Dixit be the last person to return to Shantidham?


SM 29-1-76(3):- [Also in SM 5-8-81(3)]:- Krishn kaa kitnaa naam gaayaa jaataa hai. Unkey Baap ka naam hee nahin. Unkaa Baap kahaan hai. Zaroor Krishn Raja kaa bachchaa hogaa na. Jahaan jeeth* vahaan bade Raja ke ghar may janm hota hai. PARANTU VAH PATIT RAJA HONE KAARAN UNKAA NAAM THODE HEE HOGA. KRISHN JAB HAI TAB THODE PATIT BHEE RAHTE HAIN. JAB VAH BILKUL KHATM HO JAATE HAIN, TAB YAH GADDI PAR BAITH_TE HAIN. APNAA RAAJY LE LETE HAIN. TABSE HEE UNKAA SAMVAT SHURU HOTAA HAI. LN SE HEE SAMVAT SHURU HOTAA HAI. [vimp]

= How famous is name of Krishna. There is no name of his Father. He got birth in home of great King. But since that King is patit(impure), his name cannot be famous. Some impure (people) also will be present during period of Krishna. When they(impure) fully vanish, this(Krishna) will sit on throne. He gets his throne. From there the samvatsar begins. The samvatsar begins with LN(Lakshmi Narayan).


*6) SM 8-10-83(1):- Gaate hain aatmaayien paramaatma alag rahe bahukaal…... Sadguru usko kaha jaataa hai. Vah hai sarv ka sadgatidaataa. Vah aakar is sharir may pravesh karte hain. Fir inki 84 janmon ka raaz sunaate hain. Brahma ki raath, brahma ka din, gaayaa huvaa hai. Pahley hai Parampita Parmatma rachtaa. BVS ko rachte hain. Fir sabko vaapis jaanaa hai. TOH, ZAROOR PAHLEY BVS JAAYENGE. UNHON KI TOH DIN AUR RAATH HO NA SAKEY. Brahma ka din, Brahma ki raath gaayi huyi hai. -8

Baba is saying- first BVS return. If PBKs believe Mr. Dixit is the last soul to return, then he cannot be any of the BVS!

7) If we see the Murli point above, it implies the great souls would be returning to Paramdham earlier.
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8) Now a question arises- then why Baba has said- the Chariot would be playing part for whole of the 5000 yrs, not even a day less?

I believe- it is said when compared to the lowkik saints and virgins- who take much lesser births. So- to highlight the hero actor (Chariot), baba might have said so. Many times Baba speaks approximately too, with intoxication(as Murli is dance of knowledge of ShivBaba) as well. For example-

SM 13-12-76(1):- Bachche bhi jaante hain aaj se 5000 varsh pahley bhi yahi Mahabharat ladaayi lagi thi. Baap ne gyaan sunaayaa thaa. -60- [LM]

= Children know that 5000 yrs before from today, this same mahabharat war had occurred. Father had spoken the knowledge.

SM 2-7-81(1):- Bharat hi paaras_puri thaa. Sampoorn nirvikaari thay. AAJ SE 5000 VARSH PAHLE Bharat SWARG THAA. AUR KOYI KHAND NAHIN THAA. Yah Baap samjhate hain. -98- [LM, WOT]

= ... 5000 years from today, India was heaven and there had been no other continents. .....

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 02 Mar 2017

# Flaw No. 509) PBKs inadvertently confirm they are the weakest souls in drama:-

# Flaw No. 510) PBKs inadvertently imply- their Chariot is the most unfortunate one:-

9) Mr. Dixit wanted to claim all the titles on himself as an act of his HK Hood. PBKs claim even if Mr. Dixit is the last soul to leave the body, it is Mr. Dixit only who would be first to enter into Paramdham! Because then only he can be the leader/instrument -the first human soul to enter into Paramdham.

9a) To fit LITERALLY to the Murli point said in 3) above- Mr. Dixit wanted to show- There cannot be anyone in the corporeal world during his absence. To justify this-

10) Mr. Dixit says- Rest of all the souls who would have left their bodies earlier, would be staying in somewhere up above in atmosphere till the last moment (till Mr. Dixit leaves his body).
PBKs claim- the rest of the souls enter into Paramdham only after Mr Dixit enters into Paramdham.
So- in PBK view- the other souls would be residing up above somewhere else for some duration - the final destruction period after the last bell rings, ( which may be few months to few years) right?

11)Mostly, as said in 9a) - PBKs are likely to say- all of their Rudrmala souls would be the LAST ONES to leave their bodies, Because then only they can be fit to the title close to their leader - or anaadi or hero actor.
Because in PBK view- to remain in the physical body for most of the time is the most important criteria to become a better/hero actor.

12)So- in the end, when final destruction happens, the physical bodies keep on destroying, their numbers would keep on decreasing. So- those who had left their bodies would be sitting up above in the atmosphere- as per 10)

13) But, PBKs believe neither Subtle Region exists, nor a subtle personality can exist in a subtle body.
PBKs believe- a subtle body personality or any ghost would be residing in some (one or the other) corporeal body all the 24 hours x 365 days.

PBKs even claim B baba or ShivBaba would be residing in corporeal body all the 24 hours in a day. [Even when Baba says- I do not ride the Chariot whole day!*]

14) Now- in PBK view- if ghost cannot exist as a ghost (just in a subtle body), but is always forced to stay in a corporeal body, then it implies that those who leave their bodies earlier, would have to enter into the bodies of the remaining people/personalities.

So- the PBK claim said in 10) goes wrong as it contradicts with 13) or 14).

15) If we take 13/14) as right, then it implies- those who are yet to leave their bodies would be holding those ghosts in their bodies!

So- if in PBK view- the PBk Rudrmala souls(2.25 lakhs) are the LAST ONES to leave their bodies, then it implies they would be holding/carrying all the ghosts who are near to 7 billion!

Now- if we continue to apply the same, Mr. Dixit is the last person to leave the/his body. So- then it implies- all the 7 billion ghosts would be present in the body of Mr. Dixit in the end at least for a second!

So- Mr. Dixit would be the most weak soul in drama, as every other soul would be as good as riding on Mr. Dixit! So- the PBk Rudrmala souls are the most weak souls in drama!

16) Now- since it would be the PBk Chariot which will have to hold/carry maximum number of ghosts, it implies- the PBK Chariot could be one of the MOST UNFORTUNATE Chariot- is it not?

So- the HK Hood of Mr. Dixit resulted in his own spiritual suicide.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 02 Mar 2017

# Flaw No. 511) PBKs inadvertently imply- Even after reaching goal, one still has bondage:-

17) PBKs believe - snake leaving its skin - applies only to the 2.25 lakh couples = 4.5 lakh souls that too only in Conf. Age.
--- But, a Murli point says otherwise. - refer to point. No. 16, flaw No. 253). - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51500&hilit=sarp#p51500

18) But- still, let us agree with PBk snake/skin concept.
Now- as stated in 1) above- if Mr. Dixit is the LAST snake/person to shed his skin/body, then it once again implies- he is the last/poor ones among the 4.5 lakh souls in reaching the goal, is it not?

19) And- even after the other souls had successfully shed their skin, they ARE STILL PUNISHED (forced to stay somewhere up in the atmosphere) - as per point No. 10) above!
[have neither enjoyment of Subtle Region*, nor the gate or Paramdham is opened, or have corporeal body of their own!- a stage that is neither "liberation in-life", nor "liberation"!] **


20) Or if PBKs believe 13/14 as right, then it is as good as all the PBK snakes who had already left their skin are ONCE AGAIN forced to enter an OLD SKIN (Mr. Dixit's OLD body)- into karmic bondage. Any logic?

21) Now- who is the first person to become karmaateet - in PBK view? -
Is it Mr. Dixit or DLR or the PBk Rudrmala souls or BKs or lowkik people? Logically speaking, one who leaves his skin/body first should be the first one.

---22a) If PBKs believe karmic account of all of the rest of the souls had get cleared just before leaving their skin/body, then it implies Mr. Dixit is the last/poorest performer. In that case, forcing them to stay somewhere up above in the atmosphere or making them to enter into OLD body of Mr. Dixit would be meaningless.

----22b)Or- If PBKs believe - "No, other souls will still have some karmic account even after they leave their bodies", then, the PBK souls leaving their skin like a snake - the IDEAL method would have no sense at all.


So- just only mutual contradictions.

* - PBKs believe Subtle Region does not exist at all.
** - We can see that- Mr.Dixit has used/made each and everyone as scapegoat - even his own followers! Unfortunately - the blind PBK followers are yet to realize this.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 04 Mar 2017

You were requested to provide example about reference that Baba makes to the scriptures that refer to the Golden Age. You claimed scriptures refer also to the Golden Age. I requested to provide an example but you were unable to do so. You were speaking about the rosary and about Vishnu. Please, try again to give an example from the scriptures that refer to the Golden Age to support your claim.

With Reference to Ramayana, Baba has said in the Murli that the whole world is Lanka, the whole world is kingdom of Ravan, but I have not heard about reference to Shri Lanka in the Murlis.

For the sanyas religion The sanyas religion is said to have emerged little before the Christians. Historically the budhists have started the monastery practice. On the picture of the tree, sanyas religion is indicated with Shankaracharya. Baba does not speak in a nice way about sanyasys, he says they are egoistic, they spread lies, they speak ill about women, they have led humankind to degradation and have said that they are Ravan – the gurus. If you equate this to the deity religion I don't agree, because deity religion is the family path. It is the soul-consciousness, that with the sanyasis is replaced with utter arrogance that is body consciousness. This is also the reason why Baba says about them that they don't take the knowledge, because they think they are God themselves. But Baba has also praised them for their purity for sustaining Bharat. But the purity of the sanyasis and the purity of the family men is different. For the deities it is said that they will be revealed as couples. I believe that when it is said that the deity religion remain almost extinct it means that even at the end there is such a couple that is like a form of Vishnu that there is harmony between the man and woman and it is through this Vishnu that Brahma emerges. This is what I have learned from the advanced knowledge.

It is true that Baba sometimes speaks in approximate numbers. Like in the example you have given. But if we take 10 years out from 5000 years (supposing that Baba speaks about new world from 76) then it is like 0,2% of inaccuracy that we can neglect. But sometimes Baba speaks in very accurate terms like....6 years remain those who think it may be 7 will have their post lowered, it may be 5 but not 7.

I am ready to open a debate about if the rosary refers to the Confluence Age or the Golden Age. The arguments that it refers to the Confluence Age is that it is said that one rosary will be added to the other so they must be at the same time and for the rosary of Rudra we are certain it is about the Confluence Age. In the rosary also Shiv is there as the flower that Shiv is not there in the Golden Age. Rosaries are also rotated by all the religions that don't come at the Golden Age.

But I agree that you can interpret it about the Golden Age, so I won't argue. Like When Baba says that I come and establish 3 religions, you can claim that it does not mean that he himself establishes them, but the brahmin religion transforms to Deity then to Kshatriya. For me it will mean that he establishes all the three in the Confluence Age, but I would also not argue about that. But Baba has said that Ram failed in the Confluence Age and he received his position in the Confluence Age. About the deity religion it is also said that....I make your from human to deities. It is not said that I come and make you Brahmins and you become deities yourselves.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 05 Mar 2017

# Flaw No. 512) PBKs once again prove they are neither able to realize basic things nor PRACTICALLY interested in spiritual knowledge:-
sita wrote:You were requested to provide example about reference that Baba makes to the scriptures that refer to the Golden Age. You claimed scriptures refer also to the Golden Age. I requested to provide an example but you were unable to do so. You were speaking about the rosary and about Vishnu. Please, try again to give an example from the scriptures that refer to the Golden Age to support your claim.
133) I never said scriptures refer only to Golden Age. I said "majority of (what is written in) the scriptures refer to Conf Age, some to G Age, some even to whole of the Kalpa". - examples are already given. [You failed to refute them.]
So- expecting something which I have not claimed or not necessary* is foolishness.

Of course, Baba usually says- "Yaadgaar abhee kee samay kee hai . = Memorials are of Conf. Age". But, I believe it is said to the majority, because Conf. Age is the diamond age, and is the foundation.

But, it seems that- you are expecting some words in literal sense like- mbbhat, show me a Murli point where it is said- - "Yaadgar/Shaastr or yaadgaar Satyug ki hai = Memorials/scriptures refer to G Age".

I had already given quite a number of Murli points proving some yaadgaars, as well as what is written in scripture refer to G Age, as well as whole of the Kalpa.

As you have already shown and also agree- Baba sometimes speaks approximately, you should not have argued in this way. This shows that- PBKs are not really interested in understanding the knowledge, but only like to argue that My cock has three legs.

So- dear so-called Gyani tu atma/s, first prove that what is said in scriptures refer only to Conf. Age, not to any other Age (if you like to stick to the same argument) before expecting secondary things. Hope PBKs would understand at least this much, in future.

* - In scriptures, there is name VijayMala/VishnuMala. Yes or No? Baba has explained VishnuMala refers to Kingdom of Vishnu. What else is necessary for the Gyani tu atmas? Or, would you now like to say that Kingdom of Vishnu, also pertains to the Conf. Age? If so, where is your Vishnu of Conf. Age, and when will he appear, in practical? And what about the Murli point which says that Brahma Baba himself becomes Vishnu - when is this - in Conf. Age or in G Age?

Other points too are added later- Points 127 to 131, as well. So kindly refute them before accusing the other.

134)
GuruDev wrote: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2647&p=52681#p52681

लक्ष्मी नारायण के दो रूप को ही बिष्णु कहा जाता हैं। कौनसे दो रूप? एक सतयुगी रूप और एक संगमयुगी नर स नारायण बनने वाला रूप।"

विष्णु के मंदिर को नर नारायण का मंदिर भी कहते है। नर नारायण की मंदिर मानां? जो नर से नारायण बनता है परन्तु अर्थ कुछ भी नही समझते है। जहाँ भी नर नारायण का मन्दिर बना हुआ है, तो विष्णु का रूप जरूर दिखाते है। बिरला मन्दिर बने हुए है उनमें भी नर नारायण का मन्दिर, लक्ष्मी नारायण का अलग मूर्ति भी रखेंगे और बाजु में विष्णु की मूर्ति भी रखेंगे क्यूकी विष्णु की मूर्ति के बैगर लक्ष्मी नारायण नहीं बेम सकते। विष्णु के ये 2 रूप लक्ष्मी नारायण है। कौंन्सी 2 रूप? संगमयुगी लक्ष्मी और सतयुगी लक्ष्मी नारायण। जो सतयुग में राज्य करते थे cassette 209

"The TWO forms of L & N are called as Vishnu. Which TWO forms? ONE is the form of Satyug, and the OTHER is the form of the Confluence Age, who becomes Narayan from a human being."

....Which are the two forms? Conf. Age Lakshmi and G Aged Lakshmi and Narayan, who used to rule in Golden Age
So- it implies -in PBK view- Real/Full Vishnu means combined form of two Vishnus - one of Conf. Age, and the other Golden Age.
This is another proof that- more PBKs try to misinterpret the Murli points, more they are contradicting with themselves, and are getting trapped in their own bog, ready to hang themselves with their own noose.

Dear PBK Sita soul,
Do you still need more proof when your own bodily Guru says- Vishnu means two form of LN- one refers to Conf. Age, as well the other one G Age?
[Usually PBKs claim- "Yaadgaars are of Conf. Aged Krishna, L & N, not of G Aged ones". But, when they need to misinterpret, they take it for granted that- they can say anything, what they like, whenever they like].
With Reference to Ramayana, Baba has said in the Murli that the whole world is Lanka, the whole world is kingdom of Ravan, but I have not heard about reference to Shri Lanka in the Murlis.
135) You are again either highly ignorant or acting as if innocent, just like above. - :confused: ;-)
I have not asked from Murlis. I have asked from "PBk view". It is PBKs who claim there are two meanings for Magadh. So- I asked the same for Lanka.
For the sanyas religion ...

If you equate this to the deity religion I don't agree, because deity religion is the family path.
136) Again foolish irrelevant reply. I have not equated. Read the Murli point. Cannot you understand Hindi language? (Of course, it is also translated). Is it not Baba who has said/equated saints to "sanaatan religion".
This is what I have learned from the advanced knowledge.
137) So- you have proved yourself that you have ability just to speak like a parrot, and no capacity to think on that for yourself.
[If one speaks like a parrot, it is still OK, if they are words of God, but PBKs are parrots of their bodily guru, who utters the MISINTERPRETED words of God - and the PBKs STUPIDLY believe that they are words of God, and ARROGANTLY continue to do so, EVEN AFTER the TRUTH is pointed out to them].
I am ready to open a debate about if the rosary refers to the Confluence Age or the Golden Age.
138) There is already a separate topic on that- You know that. You should have tried long before. You may try at least now. Lots of points are already there, if you care to understand them in the proper perspective. But if you read them with your coloured or corrupted intellect, you will still be at the same standstill level!

139) But, a suggestion is- For your own better understanding as well as keeping the forum useful to others- Kindly note that- address a topic fully, not just to tail, as well better not to argue in the same way like you have done here.

Else- the forum would be filling with only more garbage.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 07 Mar 2017

127) You may argue "the worship/statues/memorials do not belong to the scriptures, since the stories/charitr written in scriptures are not of Golden Age" and claim- "we should not see what is shown, we should see only what is written in scripture or what people do during festivals, etc". 

Take an example of festival- DEEPAVALI. People clean the house before inviting Lakshmi. It means they are inviting pure (G Aged lakshmi). People also change their dress- which implies changing the body- which clearly shows it belongs to Golden Age. 
Deepavali is about the light of knowledge in the Confluence Age, we light the light in the Confluence Age. We clear our house in the Confluence Age. In the Golden Age the light of soul consciousness is already lit, the house is already cleaned. And we change the clothes does not mean we change the body, but we transform our body. Baba has said that both our soul and body become golden like. I take both your soul and body across like the boatman. We have to transform even the elements of nature. The body is made of these elements.
So- most of the part in the scriptures are of Conf. Age, but some part refer to Golden Age too. 

128) Take another example- where Baba says- snake leaving body is actually for G Aged, not to the Conf. Age. 

SM 18-10-77(3):- Ab paarlowkik Baap kahte hain yah puraane sharir kaa bhaan chodo. Gyaan se, apney buddhi se is sharir may rahte bhaan chodnaa hai. Yah abhi samajhte hain jaise sarp khal chodtaa hai aur nayi letaa hai, TOH YAH BAATH ABHI SE NAHIN LAGTI. Satyug SE LAGTI HAI. Toh tum bhi Satyug se lekar khal chodnaa shuru karenge. – 70, 70- [SP, oldbody]

Of course, the practice is done in this birth. But, practically we would be leaving body like snake for 21/20 births (throughout heaven), not just for one birth (in Cong. Age)!
We understand about leaving the skin now. And it is said that in its life time snake leaves skins 4-5 times. This does not refer to the Golden Age. In the Confluence Age there are 4-5 stages of our leaving of body-consciousness. In the Golden Age we leave our body in one go. From the Golden Age we will leave the body with happiness and consciously, but at the Confluence Age we will leave body consciousness whilst living in the body.
129) The title Shyaamsundar - applies to the whole of the Kalpa , including Hell. half a Kalpa pure, half a Kalpa impure. 
No, it applies to one body that is transformed from impure to pure. It refers to a single personality who has both bright and dark side in the Confluence Age. Can a single name refer to two bodies, when Baba has said that the name is given to the body.
130) The names - Brahma's day and night- once again applies to whole of the Kalpa- first half is DAY, the other half is NIGHT.
This also applies to the Confluence Age as there is no Brahma during the Kalpa. When the part of Brahma is visible in front of the brahmin children, it is like Brahma's day, and when it becomes hidden and when the human gurus like 10 heads of Ravan start administrating the Yagya, it becomes like a night.
131) Baba says- the five varnas- which are also mentioned in scriptures- braahmin, devtaa, kshatriy, vaishy, shudr. So- it applies to all the five ages in a Kalpa.
The varnas are also established in the Confluence Age. By the same knowledge some souls make effort and become deities, some become kshatriyas, some vaishyas, some shudras. It is now that the roles of souls are recorded and decided through their effort in the Confluence Age.
So- kindly note that in some yaadgaars- whole of the Kalpa is included

132) In scriptures, it is written Heaven, and hell. Do you think it does not apply to the heaven and hell of 5000 yrs drama?
The shooting of heaven and hell is there within the Confluence Age itself.
o- it implies -in PBK view- Real/Full Vishnu means combined form of two Vishnus - one of Conf. Age, and the other Golden Age. 
This is another proof that- more PBKs try to misinterpret the Murli points, more they are contradicting with themselves, and are getting trapped in their own bog, ready to hang themselves with their own noose. 

Dear PBK Sita soul, 
Do you still need more proof when your own bodily Guru says- Vishnu means two form of LN- one refers to Conf. Age, as well the other one G Age?
[Usually PBKs claim- "Yaadgaars are of Conf. Aged Krishna, L & N, not of G Aged ones". But, when they need to misinterpret, they take it for granted that- they can say anything, what they like, whenever they like]. 
The combined form of the two forms of Lakshmi and Narayan of the Confluence and the Golden Age refer to the Confluence Age when the souls of the Golden Aged Lakshmi and Narayan play part through entering.
135) You are again either highly ignorant or acting as if innocent, just like above. -   
I have not asked from Murlis. I have asked from "PBK view". It is PBKs who claim there are two meanings for Magadh. So- I asked the same for Lanka. 
In the Murlis there is reference to Lanka. This reference refer to the Lanka of Ravan from the Ramyana, it does not refer to the physical Shri Lanka. Shri Lanka has never been a historical kingdom of Ravan.

Magadh has been a historical kingdom. Magadh in the Murlis is not used as a reference from some scripture, but from history, as Magadh is not some popular name from some scripture, but is a popular location. The name of Farukhabad also is used in a direct way many times in the Murlis.

For the sanyasi who have the sanskars of scriptures and go in the sanathan dharm whilst they are small.... the scriptures are made by humans, but in the scriptures there is no provision of the sanyasy path. You can study the scriptures in a family life too. Scriptures does not mean sanyasi path. Sanathan dharma that is called Hindu dharam is not a snayasi path but a family path. But this reference can also apply about when the sanyasi will leave the sanyasy path. Like they have left the family path to become sanyasys, then they will leave the sanyasi path for the family path again. Sanyasy have the sanskars of leaving ones own religion and of converting to other religion. And Baba has said that in the same way that they used to be converted there, they will be converted now here again in this religion.

The Vijayanti mala is there mentioned in the scriptures, but you have to decide which is the time of victory. There is no gaining victory in the Golden Age.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 07 Mar 2017

# Flaw No. 513) More examples of PBKs acting superior to ShvBaba:-

Just more examples of foolishness, attempt to manipulate, and even speak open lies - [ WITHOUT REAL-EYEsing SAME ] - of the so-called Gyani tu atmas- in the wonderful drama.
sita wrote:And we change the clothes does not mean we change the body, but we transform our body.
140) PBKs may say- it applies only to Conf. Age, and not to Golden Age. Left to them. But, logically, changing clothes happens only AFTER the COMPLETION of the effort. And- Lakshmi is invited only after completely cleaning the house. Not, before. Did Mr. Dixit or sister Vedanti become pure by 1976?
You are arguing only one sided or in a twisted manner of an IMAGINARY WORLD.
And it is said that in its life time snake leaves skins 4-5 times. This does not refer to the Golden Age.
141) Even when most beloved almighty ShivBaba has clearly said it applies to Golden Age, PBKs deny it- acting SUPERIOR as well as AGAINST ShivBaba. It is left to them.
[ By the way, who do you DELIBERATELY CHOOSE to COMPLETELY IGNORE and DISMISS the Version of God, which has been highlighted to you, WITHOUT making ANY attempt to understand same, or have it checked out with your bodily guru, who claims God is within him, ready to clarify any query of any PBK? ]

And- PBKs have been unable to explain it fully. It says- after leaving the skin several times, the snake eventually dies. You took only half.
[ By the way, which species of snakes change the skin only 4-5 times during their single life span? Have you bothered to check this out, or you have BLINDLY accepted, whatever your bodily guru has IGNORANTLY UTTERED??? Fyi, there are species of snakes who shed skin as many as 40 to 50 times in their life span! ]
It refers to a single personality who has both bright and dark side in the Confluence Age. Can a single name refer to two bodies, when Baba has said that the name is given to the body.
142) Again foolish response of the so-called gyaani tu atmas.
The Bhakti yaadgaars are not fully accurate! They are just 'aatey may namak'. But- PBKs expect them to be perfect? - :laugh:
[ You may view link below, for correct understanding of the term, 'aatey may namak', if you wish -
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2602&start=300#p52580 ]

People in lowkik, keep two names for a single body - Lakshmi-Narayan, Sita-Raam, Radha-Krishna, etc, and Most Beloved Ocean of Knowledge ShivBaba has clearly said - IT IS WRONG.

----But, you may even churn. It is NOT A SINGLE NAME for ONE body. It is TWO names for TWO DIFFERENT bodies, but of ONE and the SAME soul of Brahma Baba, AT DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS. Sundar for the G Aged Krishna, and Shyam for the last birth/Impure body of Brahma Baba - so simple!
[ Brahma Baba is the FIRST soul who becomes Sundar from Shyam, hence the name ShyamSundar pertains SPECIFICALLY to him ALONE; and GENERALLY to ALL other Righteous Children, including the soul of Saraswati Mama, who become Sundar from Shyam, at the end of the Conf Age, and are therefore, also referred to as ShyamSundar, number-wise.]
This also applies to the Confluence Age as there is no Brahma during the Kalpa. When the part of Brahma is visible in front of the Brahmin children, it is like Brahma's day, and when it becomes hidden and when the human gurus like 10 heads of Ravan start administrating the Yagya, it becomes like a night.
143)Prove fully. Give the duration of each, instead of giving vague reply.
[ The soul of Brahma Baba plays a role during the whole Kalpa. The role of Brahma Baba is visible in front of the Brahmin children, through their physical eyes, until 1969. The role of Brahma Baba is VISIBLE even MORE CLEARLY in FRONT of the THIRD EYE of the CONCERNED Brahmin Children, after 1969, when Brahma Baba becomes Avyakt. But this role of Brahma Baba becomes hidden from the BLIND, Unrighteous children, owing to their EXTREME body-consciousness, who are in the 'Night of Brahma', groping in the DARKNESS of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, propagated through their human bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit, MASQUERADING as the 'mukrar-rath' of God, representing the 10 headed Ravan, who administers the DoGly university, to ENTICE and TRAP as many gullible PBKs as is allowed within this EWD Play. NOTHING NEW, AT ALL!!! ]
The varnas are also established in the Confluence Age. By the same knowledge some souls make effort and become deities, some become kshatriyas, some vaishyas, some shudras. It is now that the roles of souls are recorded and decided through their effort in the Confluence Age.
144) Explain fully/properly.
---Do you believe all the 700 crore souls come in varna system?
---Do you believe all of them take knowledge at least to some extent? Do you believe - on the basis of knowledge only people become even vaishya and Shudra?

In that case, why does baba say- I establish three religions- braahmin, devtaa, and kshatriy? Why not five then? Is ShivBaba/Knowledge creator of even Hell?
The shooting of heaven and hell is there within the Confluence Age itself.
145) Kindly note - Baba says- Conf. Age is MEETING of Night & Day. Baba clearly says- Day is of deity period, and braahmin period is MEETING of the Night.

SM 15-9-72(4):-Jhaad ke pichaadi may puraane patte chantey jate hain aur naye patte nikalte jate hain. Nikalte hee rahte hain. Pattey chanthe bhi hai na. Kintey bhi bahut hai, chantey bhi bahut hai. Jhaad naya bantaa jaataa. Purane chante jate hain. Aatmaayein jo aatee hain vah phir oopar may janm leti rahti hai. Us jhaad may aisey nahin hota hai. Yah human jhaad hai. Jo marte hain vah phir aakar janm lete rahte hain. Baba ka bhi dekho, neeche tapasyaa kar rahe hain, oopar may bhi khadaa hai. Aadi may Sri Narayan, anth may phir Brahma. Phir 84 janm lete hain. Tatwam. Jo saathi hai vah bhi aisey. Aisey to is raaz ko to achchi reeti buddhi may baithnaa chahiye. Yah khel bada wonderful hai. Yah raath Brahma ka, vah dinn ka Naryan. Vah devataatein, vah Braahman. Din aur raath ka khel hai. Yah hai Sangamyugi. Vah hai Satugi. Kaliyug so Sangamyug so Satyug. Kitnaa achchi reeti samjhaate rahte hain. Sivaaye tumhaare aur koyi yah baatein samjhaa na sake. Tumko kitnaa achchaa knowledge mil gaya hai. Gaaya bhi jaata hai braahmanon ki raath. Saamney din khadaa hai. Sangamyug BHI RAATH SE MILTAA HAI. Beech may samjhaayaa jaataa hai. Yah2 adopted hai. Hai to raath ka na. Vah raath ka , vah din ka. Beech may hai purushottam Sangamyug. Tab Baba ne kaha thaa saadhaaran aur double taajvaalaa chitr banaavo. Double taajvaalaa yah sharir nahin bantaa hai. Yah bhi samjhaanaa padtaa hai na. Achchaa, meethey2…. -172- [WOT, Sangamyug, old body]

= It is said Night of braahmins. In front, there is Day. Confluence Age IS ALSO A MEETING WITH THE NIGHT. In between it is explained. This and this one, etc are adopted. But they belonged to the Night, is it not?
The combined form of the two forms of Lakshmi and Narayan of the Confluence and the Golden Age refer to the Confluence Age when the souls of the Golden Aged Lakshmi and Narayan play part through entering.
146a) Explain fully, instead of giving half baked replies- if you like. PBKs believe in the part of the so-called "entering"- one plays role of ghost too, rides and controls the other. Do PBKs believe one Narayan rides on another Narayan?
[ The souls who have the Spiritual ABILITY to RIDE or ENTER, for Spiritual UPLIFT, HAVE TO BE CLEARLY SUPERIOR to the embodied souls, into whom they ENTER, IS IT NOT? CANNOT ANY PBK understand this SIMPLEST, BASIC PRINCIPLE OF SPIRITUAL LAW, AT ALL??? Or, would they STILL like to maintain that the DONKEY is more superior to the RIDER of the DONKEY? In that case, the PBKs are CLEARLY PROVING that they have a DONKEY INTELLECT, gifted to them by their bodily guru, who has a MAHA-DONKEY INTELLECT, is it not? SAY, YES or NO. DON'T DODGE THE QUESTION, LIKE A SNAKE! ]

146b)So- do PBKs believe- practically role of Narayan of both the Narayans(Mr. Dixit and B baba) started only after 1976?

146c) When did role of both the Lakshmis (Sister Vedanti and Mama) started - 1965?

146d)In the quote of GuruDev, it is said- one set of Lakshmi-Narayan are shown as combined, the other one as separate - something like that. How come?

147a) But, by default view of PBKs itself - it goes wrong. Because the usual PBKs claims are
---- "B baba does not get seat in Conf. Aged Krishna/Narayan", and "all the yaadgaars are of Conf. Aged Krishna/Narayan, and not of G Aged Krishna". [but still they fail as- they give him title Krishna from 1936 itself! - already said- :laugh: ]
---PBKs also claim - temples of B baba are just of Ajmer. [but even there they just fell into their own trap- already discussed].

147b) Another PBKs default view is- "Title goes to body (only)".
Even though PBKs say- Cow role is played by B Baba in KD (having ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF OR ANY LOGIC) , they still claim the actual yaaggaar/tile COW goes to KD, not to B Baba. Because their argument is - "B baba has no body after 1969!"

So- HOW COME in this case((Vishnu), there can be yaadgaar of him (when he has no body)? So- PBKs are speaking only mutual contradictions and open lies.
For the sanyasi who have the sanskars of scriptures and go in the sanathan dharm whilst they are small.... the scriptures are made by humans, but in the scriptures there is no provision of the sanyasy path. You can study the scriptures in a family life too. Scriptures does not mean sanyasi path. Sanathan dharma that is called Hindu dharam is not a snayasi path but a family path. But this reference can also apply about when the sanyasi will leave the sanyasy path. Like they have left the family path to become sanyasys, then they will leave the sanyasi path for the family path again. Sanyasy have the sanskars of leaving ones own religion and of converting to other religion. And Baba has said that in the same way that they used to be converted there, they will be converted now here again in this religion.
148) Did not address to the point. The question was- Why does Baba say- saints enter into sanaatan religion in the childhood itself?

I REPEAT- note the Murli point- which says- saints enter into sanaatan religion in childhood itself (chotepan may hee sanaatan DHARM MAY CHALE JAATE HAIN ).
It clearly indicates that in the childhood itself - the person who had born as a Hindu would become a sanyaasi/saint. So- it is not returning back, it is going to become saint.

See here- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=52660&hilit=SANAATAN#p52660

You are just trying to fix by hook or crook- you have also ignored the other clear words in the Murli point ANTH MATHI_ SO GATHI - which also refer to - some soldiers (some honest or those who have real intoxication of it) who are likely to become soldiers in the next birth.

149) But, you accepted- the word sanaatan here applies to Hindu religion (Copper Age). Good. Instead of just claiming every word/name is meant for just Conf. Age.
The Vijayanti mala is there mentioned in the scriptures, but you have to decide which is the time of victory. There is no gaining victory in the Golden Age.
150) The whole PBk concept of Mala is proved wrong in ALL VIEWS- in the link- viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2103 .
sita wrote:Baba gives examples. ... and all these refer to Conf. Age
151) Baba also gives example- "it is written lakhs of years for Kalpa". Does this too refer to Conf. Age only, not to the broad drama? And/Or does the shooting of this too takes place in Conf. Age? How?

152) Baba also gives examples - "People believe God enters in animal, ten avtaars/incarnations, etc". Is this too applicable to just Conf. Age and even the shooting takes place in Conf. Age?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 09 Mar 2017

# Flaw No. 514) PBKs inadvertently imply- some of their MOST IMPORTANT 'SHOOTINGS' are FUTILE:-

153) In PBK view- snake concept applies to only one birth- in Conf. Age - NEITHER TO HEAVEN, NOR TO HELL. So- if it does not apply either to heaven, or to the hell, what is the purpose of the so-called shooting in PBK view?! Totally futile.

154) Again - PBKs argue as if- shyaamsundar applies only to one personality- that too for only one birth. Then again for what purpose is this shooting?

155) But- this becomes a big joke of Mr. Dixit then.
---Because it then implies- Mr. Dixit plays role of Shyam in Conf. Age itself- AFTER he gets knowledge!
---So- what was he before coming to gyaan- neither shyaam, nor sundar?
---Did entrance of God made him Shyaam? Was he not degraded fully BEFORE God entered into him? - :laugh:
Then how can they justify their claim that God ONLY enters the Nr 1 LUSTFUL soul, or Nr 1 kami-kanta??

156) And- if PBKs believe the title ShyamSundar is applicable just to one personality, do they mean no other PBK will get that title- even number-wise?
---But, if yes, how? Have they followed life style of Mr. Sevakram/Dixit in Conf. Age?

157) But, kindly note that the Murli point says- "Tatwam. Jo saathi hai vah bhi aisey = Even those who are together, they too would be like that".
So- BKs believe number one Shyamsundar is for B baba, others number-wise.

So- more the PBKs try to defend their claims, more they fail and FALL INTO THEIR OWN TRAP. Good.
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# Flaw No. 515):- PBK concept of "Shyam Sundar" fails even in their own view:-

158) Now- PBKs may also say- how many years (also when to when) Mr. Dixit plays role of Sundar/pure/beautiful and how many years he plays role of Shyam/black/impure in CONF. AGE. [Mostly- Murli points would be saying- for half a Kalpa, you would be Shyam, and half a Kalpa, you would be pure].

159) PBKs claim- "since name is based on body(for human souls), both Shyam and Sundar should apply for the same/one body only!"

Is that logical/possible? Do PBKs like to call one body as both pure and impure AT THE SAME TIME?* In that case, they are implying that Mr. Dixit would ALWAYS be just half-caste!

160) In PBK view- Mr. Dixit's body would become pure only in the end, after his soul goes to Paramdham and returns- that is- AFTER CONF. AGE. So- his body does not become pure during Conf. Age at all!

So- how can title Shyam-Sundar fit for Mr. Dixit - even in their own view??

* 161) Of course, they do not say so. They say- his body would be shyam till end of Conf. Age, and the same body would become pure afterwords. Then in their own view- the title Sundar applies to G Age only!

So- one body can never have name Shyam Sundar all the time! They will have to say- Mr Dixit is Shyam till 2018(or 2036) and Sundar after 2018/(or 2036), is it not? So- obviously, they will have to say- the title refers to G Age, not to Conf. Age!

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 09 Mar 2017

# Flaw No. 516) By defaming Brahma, are not PBKs defaming themselves? - :laugh: :-

From flaw No. 499- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=52615&hilit ... ete#p52615
sita wrote:There is no worship of Brahma, because Brahma is incomplete part
162) In case of memorial of cow (gowmukh), PBKs claim- the actual yaadgaar and worship goes to Kamala Devi- because DLR has no body after 1969.

---"In PBK view"- actual Brahma is Kamala Devi only, B baba is just "title holder Brahma".

So- by defaming Brahma, are not PBKs actually defaming their own Kamala Devi?

163) If PBKs believe Brahma's part is incomplete, then they are inadvertently implying- God's role of establishment(creation of heaven) itself is incomplete!

Is it this what they like to speak and hear? - :laugh:

164) Lies, twisting and double standard of PBKs is visible even here.

In case of yaadgaar of cow, PBKs place KD ahead than B baba. But, in case of yaadgaar of Brahma, PBKs claim the temple of Brahma is of B Baba!
But, PBKs still claim actual Brahma is KD, and the task of establishment is still continuing through KD only! - :laugh:

Can there be any greater DECEPTION and NONSENSE than this?

165) Also- if PBKs are claiming Brahma's part is incomplete, they are defaming the Trimurti itself, indirectly God himself!

Because Baba has clearly said- part of Brahma and Vishnu are high, whole drama is of Brahma becoming Vishnu, and Vishnu becoming Brahma.

166) So- it is FULLY CLEAR THAT PBKs USE THE Murli POINTS JUST TO DEFAME BKs*. They have absolutely no interest in understanding anything in Murli in the correct perspective even when clear points are shown to them. They are just gullible followers of their BLIND bodily guru.

Since PBKs had already become intellectually blind and corrupted, Mr Dixit felt that- when a Murli point says- Brahma is not worshiped, he can defame B Baba. And- PBKs speak so, as if they are great masters in knowledge, after having received the so-called extra-ordinary clarifications.

----But, Murli points also say- Shankar has no much part. Do they use the same thing there as well and defame Shankar in the same way?

---For BKs, Shankar is not so important personality- since whole drama is about B so V, and V so B, and in case Shankar has any role, it is played by one of the B or V only. BKs do not criticize any role of trimurtis.

---But, Mr. Dixit has criticized even the Chariot of God- from whom he gets/got Sakar and Avyakt Murlis/Vanis, and used everyone, including his own KD, as scapegoat.

* 167) But, PBKs may continue, as baba has clearly said- merey bachche hee meri glaani karthay hain= My children only defame me.

And- baba has also said- jitnaa kalank lagey, utnaa kalangedhar banthay hain.

So- it is up to PBKs to 'shoot' their drama as they wish.

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