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Post by Golden Heart » 11 Nov 2017

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 11.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
यूँ तो शिव के मन्दिर में भी जाते हैं, तो शिवलिंग को ‘शिवबाबा’ ही कहते हैं। परन्तु उन्हों को इतनी खुशी क्यों नहीं होती है? वह तो शिवलिंग पर दूध, फल, फूल आदि चढ़ाते हैं। तुमको तो दूध, आदि चढ़ाने की दरकार ही नहीं। निराकार भगवान, वह तो पिता हुआ ना। भक्तों का भगवान, वह रचयिता भी है। उन्होंने इस मनुष्य सृष्टि को रचा है। यह भी गाया जाता है। उनकी भक्ति करते हुए भी, जितना तुम बच्चों को खुशी का पारा चढ़ता है, उतना और कोई को नहीं चढ़ता।
“In fact, when they go to a Shiva Temple also, they also call the Shivalingam there ‘ShivBaba’. So, why do they not have that much happiness? They also offer milk, fruit and flowers to the Shivalingam. You DO NOT need to offer milk etc., at all. Incorporeal God is the Father, is He not? The God of devotees is also the Creator. It is remembered that He created this human World. Although they perform so much devotion of Him, their ‘mercury of Happiness’ does not rise, as much as that of You Children.”

The Unlimited Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God is the ‘Parlokik’ Father & the ‘Parlokik Creator.

When the BLIND devotees, of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, (who have been THOROUGHLY INDOCTRINATED by their respective EQUALLY BLIND bodily gurus), go to a Shiva Temple, they also call the Shivalingam there ‘ShivBaba’, and offer milk, fruit and flowers to the Shivalingam, while performing INTENSE Devotion, but they DO NOT EXPERIENCE TRUE INNER LASTING Happiness, due to their ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED STONE intellects, and EXTREME state of body-consciousness.

The EXACT ‘shooting’ of same takes place – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – when the BLIND Unrighteous children, (who have been THOROUGHLY INDOCTRINATED by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, THROUGH the ‘MAHA-MURKH’ ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God), address THEIR bodily guru as ‘ShivBaba’, (DELUSIVELY considering him to be THEIR ‘Prajapita’), and ALSO offer their ‘Milk’ (representing the corporeal breasts and nipples of the SELECTED ‘kanyas & matas’), ‘Fruit’ (representing the corporeal lips and tongues of the SELECTED ‘kanyas & matas’), and ‘Flowers’ (representing the corporeal female genital organs of the SELECTED ‘kanyas & matas’), to him, while physically copulating with him, DELUSIVELY believing that his corporeal penis represents the ‘living’ ‘Shivalingam’, owing to their INTENSELY BLIND Devotion, but they DO NOT EXPERIENCE TRUE INNER LASTING Happiness, due to their ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED & INVERTED STONE intellects, and EXTREME state of body-consciousness – and get VICIOUSLY TRAPPED in the TREACHEROUS BOG of body-consciousness EVEN FURTHER – WITHOUT EVEN REAL-EYEsing what EXACTLY is ACTUALLY taking place!

The ‘mercury of Happiness’ of the Righteous Children rises to the greatest possible extent, since they follow the Divine Decree of REAL ShivBaba - to FORGET ALL bodily relations, INCLUDING own body, and to FIRST consider, and THEN ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE, the Self as a soul - as a Point source of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy - and THEN have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva – also as a POINT source of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy.


घर को अचल सम्पत्ति कहा जाता है। प्रापर्टी को चल सम्पत्ति कहा जाता है। तुम बच्चे जानते हो कि हम बाप के घर के मालिक बनते हैं, जो कभी बदल-सदल नहीं हो सकता। स्वीट होम की बदल-सदल नहीं होगी। बाकी राजाई तो कितना बदल-सदल होती है। वह चल है, वह अचल है। मुक्तिधाम अचल है। यहाँ तो अदली-बदली होती है। सूर्यवंशी से चन्द्रवंशी, वैश्यवंशी में आते हैं। मुक्ति और जीवनमुक्ति।
“ The house is called a fixed asset (property) and the rest of the property can be called movable asset (property). You Children know that You become the Masters of the Father's Home, which can never change. There cannot be any change in the Sweet Home, but kingdoms change so much! One is fixed and the other is movable. The ‘Land of Liberation’ is fixed. There is change here. From the Sun Dynasty, You change and become the Moon Dynasty, and then the ‘merchant dynasty’. There is Liberation and ‘Liberation-in-Life’. ”

ALL souls become Masters of the Father’s Home – Soul World, Supreme Abode, ‘Paramdham’ or ‘Brahmlok’.

The Righteous Children become Masters of RamRajya, number-wise, on this corporeal sphere, during the ‘Day of Brahma’, or the ‘Day of the Cycle’.

The BLIND Unrighteous children becomes masters of Ravan Rajya, number-wise on this corporeal sphere, during the ‘Night of Brahma’, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’.


तुम बच्चे बाप की प्रापर्टी के मालिक बनते हो। जानते हो बाप की जो अचल सम्पत्ति है, उनके तो सब मालिक बनते हैं। बाकी जो चल सम्पत्ति है, वह बच्चों को नम्बरवार मिलती है। तुमको सबसे जास्ती अच्छी प्रापर्टी मिलती है। स्वर्ग में तुम राज्य करते हो।
“You Children become the Masters of the Father's property. You know that everyone becomes a Master of the Father's fixed property . However, Children receive the movable property, number-wise. You receive the maximum, best property of all. You rule in Heaven.

The Righteous/Worthy Children, or TRUE Brahmins (BKs), who are the REAL ‘mouth-born’ progeny of REAL Brahma (who is Brahma Baba), become Masters of the MAXIMUM, BEST property of ALL, (in a PARTICULAR CONTEXT), on this corporeal sphere, during RamRajya.

The BLIND Unrighteous/Unworthy children, or FALSE Brahmins, who are ACTUALLY the ‘womb-born’ progeny of THEIR FALSE Brahma, (MASQUERADING as ‘Prajapita Brahma’), and who, themselves, MASQUERADE as the REAL ‘mouth-born’ progeny of Brahma, become masters of the ‘maximum, best property of all’, (in a DIFFERENT CONTEXT), on this corporeal sphere, during Ravan Rajya!


वह है हद की पढ़ाई, यह है बेहद की पढ़ाई। ...
यह राजयोग है। त्रिमूर्ति का चित्र तो सारा दिन बुद्धि में रहता है। ब्रह्मा द्वारा विष्णुपुरी की राजाई मिलती है। शंकर द्वारा यह आसुरी सृष्टि खलास होती है। बस, बुद्धि में यही ख्यालात चलते रहें।
“That is a limited study, whereas this is an Unlimited Study. ...
This is RajYog. You have the picture of the Trimurti in your intellects throughout the whole day. Through Brahma, you receive the Sovereignty of the ‘Land of Vishnu’, and through Shankar, this devilish World is destroyed. Simply let your intellects have these thoughts.”

The Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge & Easy RajYog, is the Unlimited Study, (in a PARTICULAR CONTEXT), through which the Righteous Children receive the Unlimited Sovereignty of the REAL ‘Land of Vishnu’, or RamRajya, from REAL ShivBaba, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba.

The ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, is the limited study, which is DELUSIVELY considered to be an ‘unlimited study’, (in a DIFFERENT CONTEXT), through which the BLIND Unrighteous children receive the ‘unlimited’ sovereignty of the APPARENT ‘Land of Vishnu’, or Ravan Rajya, from APPARENT ShivBaba, through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!

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Post by Golden Heart » 13 Nov 2017

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 13.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
शिवबाबा तो विचार सागर मंथन नहीं करते। यह ब्रह्मा विचार सागर मंथन कर, समझाते हैं।
ShivBaba DOES NOT churn the Ocean of Knowledge. THIS Brahma churns the Ocean of Knowledge, and explains.”

REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God DOES NOT REQUIRE to churn the Ocean of Knowledge, since He is ALREADY Knowledge-FULL. REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, REQUIRES to churn the Ocean of Knowledge, in order to become pure from impure, and transform from being ugly (‘shyam’), in Confluence Age, to being beautiful (‘sundar’) - at the VERY END of Confluence Age, or the VERY BEGINNING of Golden Age – which is ONE and the SAME MOMENT of TIME, within the Cycle!


अब तुम समझ गये हो कि ब्रह्मा सरस्वती ही राधे कृष्ण बनते हैं। ...
जगत अम्बा, जगत पिता, और उनके बच्चे हैं। मैजारिटी माताओं की होने कारण बी.के.नाम लिख दिया है।
“You have NOW understood that Brahma & Saraswati, THEMSELVES, become Radhe & Krishna. ...
There are JagadAmba, JagadPita and their Children. Because the majority are women, the name ‘Brahma Kumaris’ (BKs) has been written.”

Brahma Baba or soul of DLR & Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe, who are the HIGHEST SPIRITUAL World Sovereigns, in Confluence Age, as the REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL JagadPita & JagadAmba of ENTIRE humanity, THEMSELVES, THEN become the VERY FIRST Princess & Prince, Radhe & Krishna, in the VERY BEGINNING of Golden Age, and THEN become the HIGHEST PRACTICAL World Sovereigns, Lakshmi & Narayan, after their coronation!


तुम्हारी मम्मा किसको समझाती थी, तो उनको तीर लग जाता था। उनमें सच्चाई, पवित्रता थी। थी भी कुमारी। मम्मा का नाम पहले आता है। पहले लक्ष्मी फिर नारायण। अब बाप कहते हैं, मम्मा जैसे गुण धारण करो।
“When your Mama used to explain to ANYONE, the arrow (of Knowledge) would strike that one. She had honesty and purity, and she was also a Kumari. Mama's name comes first. First is Lakshmi, and then Narayan. The Father says: Now imbibe virtues like Mama (Om Radhe – Saraswati).”

When the REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL EVIDENT JagadAmba, Saraswati Mama, (whose Spiritual BACK-BONE is REAL ShivBaba & REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL INCOGNITO JagadAmba, Brahma Baba, who is ALSO JagadPita) – (and who is LOVINGLY addressed as, ‘Mama’, by the Righteous Children), used to explain to ANYONE, the arrow of Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge would strike the intellect of that ONE, AT ONCE, owing to her honesty, purity and celibacy – being a spinster – due to which her name comes FIRST, as Shri Lakshmi, in Golden Age - although Brahma Baba STILL remains as her PRACTICAL BACK-BONE, as Shri Narayan, EVEN at THAT TIME! The Righteous Children are therefore expected to follow their ‘Alokik’ Father (Brahma Baba) & their ‘Alokik’ Mother (Saraswati Mama), who have PRACTICALLY DEMONSTRATED the inculcation of the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge of Shiva, in Confluence Age, while they were STILL within their CORPOREAL bodies, as a LIVING example for ALL OTHER Righteous Children to follow THEREAFTER, EVEN WHEN they are NO LONGER within their corporeal bodies, after 1965/69! They STILL CONTINUE to Spiritually sustain the Righteous Children, who have since ALSO DEVELOPED their OWN ‘akari’ or subtle stage of consciousness, in ‘Akar’, ALONG WITH REAL ShivBaba, UNTIL the VERY END of Confluence Age.

The REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL EVIDENT JagadAmba, Saraswati Mama, of the Righteous Children, COMES OUT of ‘Vaishalaya’, or the ‘Brothel’ (House of Prostitution), AFTER receiving the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge from Shiva, THROUGH the Lotus Mouth of Brahma Baba.

Whereas, the FALSE ‘Jagadamba’ of the BLIND Unrighteous children, GOES BACK into ‘Vaishalaya, or the ‘Brothel’ (House of Prostitution), AFTER receiving the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, initiated by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, and propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!


शिवबाबा ब्रह्मा द्वारा सतयुग की स्थापना कर रहे हैं। यहाँ भी चित्र में देखो झाड़ के नीचे तपस्या कर रहे हैं। ब्रह्मा, सरस्वती की भी माँ हो गई। गाया भी जाता है, ‘त्वमेव माताश्च पिता ..’; निराकार को कैसे कह सकते? इसमें उसने प्रवेश किया है, तो यह माता बनी ना?
ShivBaba is establishing the Golden Age THROUGH Brahma. In the picture here, too, he (Brahma Baba) is sitting in meditation (‘tapasya’), beneath the (‘Kalpa’) Tree. Brahma is the Mother of Saraswati also. It is also remembered: ‘You are the Mother & Father ..’. How can one say this to the Incorporeal One? That One enters THIS one, and so THIS one becomes the Mother, is it not?”

REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God establishes the Golden Age THROUGH Brahma Baba, and NOT through Shankar! Therefore, Brahma Baba is shown sitting in meditation (‘tapasya’), beneath the (‘Kalpa’) Tree – and NOT Shankar! Brahma Baba is the ‘Alokik’ Mother of Saraswati ALSO, besides being the ‘Alokik’ Mother of ALL OTHER embodied Righteous Children; and therefore, Brahma Baba DOES NOT have ANY ‘Alokik’ Mother of his OWN! The praise, ‘You are the Mother & Father ..’, refers to ONLY to Incorporeal Shiva, ONLY when He enters the corporeal body of Brahma Baba – Shiva being the ‘Parlokik’ Father, and Brahma Baba REPRESENTING the Feminine Personality of God, as the ‘Alokik’ Mother! Therefore Brahma Baba becomes the VERY FIRST ShivShakti, followed by Saraswati Mama, and THEN the OTHER Righteous Children.

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!


अभी माला बन नहीं सकती - अन्त में रुद्र माला बनेगी, फिर विष्णु की माला बन जायेगी। बाबा कितना अच्छी रीति समझाते हैं।
“The Rosary cannot be created at this time. The ‘Rosary of Rudra’ will be created at the end, and THEN the ‘Rosary of Vishnu’ will be created. Baba explains very well.”

The FINAL Rosary CANNOT be created during Confluence Age, since the ‘Rosary of Brahma’ keeps on FLUCTUATING. ONLY WHEN the ‘Rosary of Brahma’ becomes FIXED, at the VERY END of Confluence Age, the ‘Rosary of Rudra’ is created, which consists of ONLY PURE bodiless souls. THESE VERY SAME SET of PURE bodiless souls, THEN get threaded within the ‘Rosary of Vishnu’, as PURE souls, within PURE corporeal bodies, in the VERY BEGINNING of Golden Age!

Although REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God CLEARLY explains ALL these SUBTLE aspects of Spirituality VERY WELL, same CANNOT sit within the ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED & INVERTED STONE intellects of the BLIND Unrighteous children, AFTER having EXPOSED their intellects to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge!

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Post by Golden Heart » 14 Nov 2017

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 14.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
भोलानाथ की भी महिमा है। भोलानाथ शंकर को नहीं कहेंगे क्योंकि शंकर आदि-मध्य-अन्त का राज़ नहीं समझाते हैं। वह तो भोलानाथ ही बताते हैं। भोलानाथ वर्सा देते हैं - शंकर वर्सा नहीं देते। ऐसे भी नहीं शंकर कोई शान्ति देते हैं। नहीं! शान्ति देने लिए भी साकार में आकर समझाना पड़े। शंकर तो साकार में आते नहीं। भोलानाथ ही शान्ति, सुख, सम्पत्ति, बड़ी आयु भी देते हैं। हर चीज़ अविनाशी देते हैं क्योंकि अविनाशी बाप है, वर्सा भी अविनाशी देते हैं।
“There is also praise of the ‘Innocent Lord’ (‘Bholanath’). Shankar CANNOT be called ‘Bholanath’ because Shankar DOES NOT explain the secrets of the beginning, the middle and the end. It is ONLY the ‘Innocent Lord’(‘Bholanath’ – Incorporeal Shiva) who tells same. The ‘Innocent Lord’ (Incorporeal Shiva) gives You the inheritance. Shankar DOES NOT give You the inheritance. It is also NOT that Shankar gives You Peace. NO! In order to give us Peace, He (Shiva) has to come into a corporeal form and explain to us. Shankar DOES NOT come into a corporeal form. It is only the ‘Innocent Lord’ (Shiva) who gives You Peace, Happiness, Prosperity and a long life. Because the Father is imperishable, everything He gives You is imperishable. He also gives You the imperishable inheritance.”

The term, ‘Innocent Lord’ (‘Bholanath’), pertains ONLY to ONE REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God - and CANNOT pertain to Shankar!

ONLY the ONE ‘Innocent Lord’ (‘Bholanath’) - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God – gives the imperishable, Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya to the Righteous Children, in Confluence Age ITSELF, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba – and NOT through Shankar!

ONLY the ONE ‘Innocent Lord’ (‘Bholanath’) - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God – comes to TEACH the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge & Easy RajYog, to the Righteous Children, on this corporeal sphere, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his ELEVATED SUBTLE body, till the end of Confluence Age.
Shankar DOES NOT come into ANY corporeal form, on this corporeal sphere, like Shiva does; hence Shankar CANNOT be called ‘Prajapita’!

ONLY the ONE ‘Innocent Lord’ (‘Bholanath’) - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God – who is the Creator, is imperishable and ETERNAL – while Shankar, who is the creation, is perishable; hence Shankar is NOT ETERNAL!


वह समझते हैं लंका में रावण का राज्य था। बाप कहते हैं सारी दुनिया सागर के बीच खड़ी है। इस समय सारी दुनिया में रावण राज्य है। वह हद की बातें सुनाते हैं। बाप तो बेहद का राज़ समझाते हैं।
“They believe that Ravan’s kingdom was in Lanka (the small island of Sri Lanka). The Father says: The whole World is in the middle of the ocean. At this time there is Ravan’s kingdom over the whole World. They relate limited aspects; whereas the Father explains Unlimited secrets to You.”

The term, ‘Lanka’, does not pertain only to the small island of Sri Lanka, but pertains to the whole World, which is like a HUGE ISLAND, in the middle of the Ocean; and Ravan’s kingdom is over this whole OLD World, of this Unlimited ‘Lanka’!


तुम जानते हो, एक बाप के बच्चे, हम भाई बहन ठहरे। तो जरूर प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा भी चाहिए। शिवबाबा कहते हैं कि तुम निराकार आत्मायें शिव वंशी हो, फिर साकार में भाई बहन बनते हो। निराकार में सब भाई-भाई हो। फिर प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा साकार में आते हैं, तो तुमको भाई बहन बनाते हैं। रूहानी रीति से भाई-भाई, जिस्मानी रीति से भाई बहन हो। तो यह निश्चय रखना है कि हम शिववंशी, प्रजापिता ब्रह्माकुमार कुमारियाँ हैं। वर्सा पाना है बाप से।
“You know that we are all Brothers & Sisters, Children of the ONE Father. Therefore, PrajaPita Brahma is also definitely needed. Shiv Baba says: You incorporeal souls belong to the clan of Shiva. THEN, in the corporeal form, You become Brothers & Sisters. In the incorporeal form, You are all Brothers. Then, PrajaPita Brahma comes in the corporeal form, so He makes You into Brothers & Sisters. In the form of souls, You are Brothers; and in corporeal form, You are Brothers & Sisters. So, have this faith that You are the PrajaPita Brahma Kumars & Kumaris (BKs) who belong to the clan of Shiva. You have to claim your inheritance from the Father.”

The Righteous/Worthy Children, or TRUE Brahma Kumars & Kumaris (BKs), who are the REAL ‘mouth-born’ progeny of REAL Brahma (who is Brahma Baba), are VERY MUCH AWARE that they belong to the clan of Shiva, since REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God is their ‘Parlokik’ PARENT (INCOGNITO ‘Parlokik’ Mother, AS WELL AS, INCOGNITO ‘Parlokik’ Father); AND, are ALSO VERY MUCH AWARE that they are the REAL ‘mouth-born’ progeny of REAL Brahma, since REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, is their ‘Alokik’ Parent (INCOGNITO ‘Alokik’ Mother, AS WELL AS, EVIDENT ‘Alokik’ Father) – Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe, being THEN delegated with the function of EVIDENT ‘Alokik’ Mother. Hence, the official designation of the Righteous Children is ONLY ‘BK’, and NOT ‘SPBK’ (‘S’ for Shiva, and ‘P’ for PrajaPita), since they are VERY MUCH AWARE of their ‘Parlokik’ Father, Shiva & their ‘Alokik’ Father, Brahma Baba – who is the REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL EVIDENT PrajaPita or JagadPita (besides ALSO being the REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL INCOGNITO JagadAmbawhich role is THEN delegated to his soul-mate or ‘yugal-dana’, Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe).

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!


अब तुमको परमपिता परमात्मा की श्रीमत मिलती है। ऊंचे ते ऊंचा है भगवान। ऊंचे ते ऊंचा उनका ठाँव है। ...
बाप कहते हैं, गीता पढ़ते-पढ़ते मनुष्यों की क्या हालत हो गई है।
“You are NOW receiving Shrimat from the Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva). God (‘Bhagwan’) is the Highest-on-High. His place of Residence is the highest-on-high. ...
The Father says: Look at what the condition of human beings has become by continuing to study the (FALSE) Gita!”

The Righteous Children receive the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge - which represents the TRUE Gita - ONLY from REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God (‘Bhagwan’) - who is the Highest-on-High, and whose place of Residence is ALSO the highest-on-high, Supreme Abode or Soul World – ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his ELEVATED SUBTLE body, till the end of Confluence Age.

The condition of the BLIND devotees, of the outer World of Ravan Rajya – who have been THOROUGHLY INDOCTRINATED by their respective bodily gurus – has become TOTALLY DEGRADED, by CONTINUING to study the FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya – the EXACT ‘shooting’ of which takes place - more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, initiated by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, and propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan - (MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God) – who TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that he, himself, is ‘Paramatma’, who is the ‘highest -on-high’ ‘Bhagwan’, who constantly remains in the ‘highest-on-high’ incorporeal, or ‘nirakari’, stage of consciousness, while being within his impure perishable corporeal body – thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – and CONTINUING to OPPOSE, DEFAME, INSULT & MOCK God, CONSISTENTLY & PERSISTENTLY!


तुम शूद्र से ब्राह्मण बनते हो। ब्राह्मणों द्वारा यज्ञ रचा जाता है। तुम हो सच्चे ब्राह्मण, वह हैं झूठे ब्राह्मण। भगवानुवाच - मैं तुम बच्चों को राजयोग सिखलाता हूँ। यहाँ तुमको भगवान पढ़ाते हैं। वहाँ मनुष्य, मनुष्य को पढ़ाते हैं। सबको, पहले बाप का परिचय देना है।
“You become Brahmins from ‘shudras’. A sacrificial Fire is created through Brahmins. You are TRUE Brahmins; whereas they are FALSE Brahmins. God speaks: I TEACH You Children RajYog. Here, it is God (‘Bhagwan’) who is TEACHING; whereas there, a human being teaches human beings. FIRST of ALL, give everyone the Father's (TRUE) introduction.”

REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God (‘Bhagwan’) TEACHES the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge & Easy RajYog to the Righteous Children, who become TRUE, EVEVATED Brahmins from ‘shudras’, by the END of Confluence Age, and THEN change into REAL, ELEVATED Deities, in the beginning of Golden Age. Therefore, the Righteous Children perform the ELEVATED Spiritual Service of giving EVERYONE the TRUE introduction of the TRUE Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva - who operates on this corporeal sphere, ONLY THROUGH His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his ELEVATED SUBTLE body, till the end of Confluence Age.

Whereas, the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, (who ALSO MASQUERADES as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God), CHEATS the BLIND Unrighteous children, with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – who THUS become FALSE, DEGRADED Brahmins from ‘shudras’, by the END of Confluence Age, and THEN change into REAL, DEGRADED Demons, in the beginning of Copper Age, in Ravan Rajya. Therefore, the BLIND Unrighteous children perform the DEGRADED Spiritual Service of giving EVERYONE the FALSE introduction of the FALSE Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, etc., - operating on this corporeal sphere, through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan - who ALSO MASQUERADES as ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Vishnu’, ‘Shankar’, ‘Shiv-Shankar-Bholenath’, Confluence Age ‘Krishna’, Confluence Age ‘Narayan’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God!


शिव और विष्णु की माला मशहूर है। ब्राह्मणों की माला बन न सके। कृष्ण की भी माला बन न सके। यह है रुद्र माला। विष्णु की माला प्रवृत्ति मार्ग की है।
“The ‘Rosary of Shiva’ and the ‘Rosary of Vishnu’ are very well known. A ‘Rosary of Brahmins’ cannot be created. There cannot even be a ‘Rosary of Krishna’. This is the ‘Rosary of Rudra’ (of PURE bodiless souls). The ‘Rosary of Vishnu’ is of the Family path.”

A ‘Rosary of Brahma’ cannot be created, since the Brahmins fluctuate in their Spiritual stage during Confluence Age. There cannot even be a ‘Rosary of Krishna’, since Shri Krishna is the VERY FIRST Prince of Golden Age, and there is NO QUESTION of creating a Rosary THERE! When the ‘Rosary of Brahma’ becomes FIXED, by the VERY END of Confluence Age, it becomes the ‘Rosary of Rudra’, consisting of ONLY the MOST ELEVATED, PURE bodiless souls. THESE VERY SAME MOST ELEVATED, PURE bodiless souls, THEMSELVES, THEN become the ‘Rosary of Vishnu’, as PURE souls within PURE corporeal bodies, in the Family path, in the beginning of Golden Age.

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!

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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 15.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
बाप दो होते हैं, लौकिक और पारलौकिक। लौकिक से हद का वर्सा मिलता है, जिसको काग विष्टा समान सुख कहा जाता है। बेहद का बाप बेहद का सुख देते, स्वर्ग का मालिक बनाते हैं। ...
बेहद के बाप का परिचय देना है कि उनसे कैसे बेहद का वर्सा मिलता है। वह बेहद का बाप, जन्म-मरण रहित, सदा सुख देने वाला है। बाप दो हैं, एक आत्माओं का बाप, दूसरा अलौकिक, तब तुम ‘बाप-दादा’ कहते हो। लौकिक सम्बन्ध में भी बाप-दादा होता है। यह फिर पारलौकिक बाप-दादा। लौकिक से अल्पकाल का सुख मिलता, पारलौकिक बाप से तुम भविष्य 21 पीढ़ी की प्रालब्ध पाते हो।
“There are TWO fathers: ‘lokik’ (corporeal), and ‘Parlokik’ (Incorporeal - from beyond this World). You receive a limited inheritance from the corporeal (father), which is said to be happiness, like the ‘droppings of a crow’. The Unlimited Father gives You Unlimited Happiness, and makes You into the Masters of Heaven. ...
You have to give the introduction of the Unlimited Father, and explain how You receive an Unlimited inheritance from Him. That Unlimited Father, who is beyond birth and death, is the One who ALWAYS gives You Happiness. There are TWO Fathers: ONE is the Father of the soul, and the other is ‘Alokik’ (Father), and this is why You say, ‘BapDada’. In corporeal relationships too, there is ‘Bap’ (father), and ‘Dada’ (grand-Father). THIS one is the ‘Parlokik’ BapDada. You receive temporary happiness from the corporeal (father). You receive a reward for FUTURE 21 generations from the ‘Parlokik’ Father.”

ALL embodied souls receive temporary happiness, from a limited inheritance, from their respective corporeal father, in EACH birth; while the Righteous Children receive Unlimited Happiness, from an Unlimited inheritance for 21 generations in the New World of RamRajya, from their Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva – ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba, who is their EVIDENT ‘Alokik’ Father, besides ALSO being their INCOGNITO ‘Alokik’ Mother – and the TWO of them, TOGETHER, are addressed by the Righteous Children as, ‘BapDada’.


इस कृष्ण की आत्मा को 84 जन्म जरूर लेने हैं। 21 जन्म सुन्दर, 63 जन्म श्याम। अब उनकी लात पुरानी दुनिया तरफ है, मुँह नई दुनिया तरफ है। जो नम्बरवन पूज्य था, वही पुजारी बन अब लास्ट नम्बर में है। खुद ही पुजारी बन नारायण की पूजा करते थे। अब खुद ही पूज्य नारायण बनते हैं, इनको ही फर्स्ट नम्बर में जाना है।
THIS soul of Krishna has to definitely take 84 births. For 21 births he is beautiful, and for 63 births he is ugly. Now, his feet are towards the old World, and his face is towards the New World. The one who was the NUMBER ONE worthy-of-worship, HIMSELF, has become a worshiper, and is NOW in the LAST number. He, HIMSELF, became a worshiper and used to worship Narayan. Now, he, HIMSELF, is becoming that worthy-of-worship Narayan. He, HIMSELF, has to go in the FIRST NUMBER.”

The above Pure UNADULTERATED Version of God, CLEARLY pertains ONLY to REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, who is the ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through the ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body of Brahma Baba, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through the ELEVATED SUBTLE body of Brahma Baba, till the end of Confluence Age.

Whereas, the Defamer Of God HIJACKS the above Version, AFTER Brahma Baba leaves his corporeal body in 1969, and TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that same applies to himself, by ‘TREACHEROUSLY PLAYING on the WORDS’, instead of COMPREHENDING same in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!


शिवबाबा तो झट आकर परिचय देने लग पड़ते हैं। कुछ समय तो पता ही नहीं पड़ा कि यह कौन आया है? कौन बोल रहे हैं? बाद में मालूम पड़ा कि यह तो शिवबाबा ज्ञान का सागर है। शिवबाबा ब्रह्मा द्वारा विष्णुपुरी की स्थापना करते हैं।
ShivBaba comes, and IMMEDIATELY begins to give His introduction. For some time, (Brahma Baba) did not even know who had come, and who was speaking. He came to realize (REAL-EYEs) LATER that this is ShivBaba, the Ocean of Knowledge. ShivBaba establishes the ‘Land of Vishnu’ THROUGH Brahma.”

Although REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God begins to give His OWN introduction, AS SOON AS he enters the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, through the Lotus Mouth of the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, HIMSELF - YET, Brahma Baba comes to REAL-EYEs ONLY LATER, that it is ACTUALLY ShivBaba who is speaking through him. It is DEFINITELY NOT that some OTHER embodied soul explains what ShivBaba speaks through Brahma Baba - but Brahma Baba, HIMSELF, comes to GRADUALLY REAL-EYEs same, with the passage of time!

Whereas, the Defamer Of God TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that he explains to Brahma Baba – thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!

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Post by Golden Heart » 16 Nov 2017

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 16.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
परमात्मा एक है, वह ऊंच ते ऊंच है। उनकी महिमा भी ऊंच है। इस समय ऊंचे ते ऊंचा कर्तव्य करते हैं। उनका धाम भी ऊंचे ते ऊंचा है। नाम भी ऊंच है, और किसको परमात्मा नहीं कहते। परमात्मा के लिए ही गायन है – ‘हे पतित-पावन’; आते भी हैं पतित दुनिया और पतित शरीर में। पतित शरीर का नाम है प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा। इसमें प्रवेश कर कहते हैं, मैं बहुत जन्मों के अन्त वाले साधारण मनुष्य तन में प्रवेश करता हूँ। सूक्ष्मवतन वासी सम्पूर्ण ब्रह्मा में नहीं आते हैं। खुद कहते हैं, इनके बहुत जन्मों के अन्त के जन्म में आता हूँ। बहुत जन्म लेते ही हैं, राधे-कृष्ण। उनके बहुत जन्मों के अन्त का जन्म साधारण है। ऐसे तो कहते नहीं हैं कि मैं पावन शरीर में प्रवेश करता हूँ।
Supreme Soul (‘Paramatma’ - God) is ONE, and He is the Highest-on-High. His praise is also the highest. At THIS time, He carries out the highest task of all. His place of Residence is also the highest of all. His Name too is the highest; NO ONE ELSE can be called Supreme Soul (‘Paramatma’). The praise, ‘Oh Purifier’, is ONLY for the Supreme Soul (‘Paramatma’). He comes into the impure World, into an impure body. The name of the impure body is PrajaPita Brahma. He enters THIS one and says: I enter the body of an ORDINARY human being, in the LAST ONE of his many births. He does not come in the COMPLETE Brahma, who is a resident of the Subtle Region. He Himself says: I come in the LAST of THIS one's many births. It is Radhe & Krishna who take many births. The last of their many births is ORDINARY. He does not say that He enters a pure body.”

The terms, ‘Supreme Soul’ (‘Paramatma’) & ‘Highest-on-High’, can pertain to ONLY ONE Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva - who ALONE is the Purifier – and CANNOT pertain to ANY OTHER embodied soul on this corporeal sphere. He comes in the LAST, or 84th, impure ORDINARY corporeal body of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, on this corporeal sphere - since EVERYONE, INCLUDING Brahma Baba, are STILL TRAPPED in the corporeal stage of EXTREME body-consciousness, at THAT TIME. REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God DOES NOT come in the SYMBOLIC, REPRESENTATIVE, COMPLETE, PERFECT, FUTURE Subtle form of Brahma Baba, seen in the Subtle Region, DURING THAT PERIOD, or TIME, PRIOR 1969, WHEN Brahma Baba enacts the role of PrajaPita, through his impure corporeal body on this corporeal sphere, for the benefit of the Righteous Children, who are STILL TRAPPED in body-consciousness. There is NO QUESTION of God entering a pure soul in a pure body in Golden Age, since the Purifier is NOT REQUIRED THERE, at THAT TIME. God has to come to this impure World, in an impure corporeal body, in order to PURIFY souls, matter and the impure World. The VERY FIRST birth of Brahma Baba, in the VERY BEGINNING of Golden Age, as Shri Krishna, or Shri Narayan, is PURE & ROYAL; while his VERY OWN, VERY LAST, or 84th, birth, at the VERY END of Iron Age, as DLR, is IMPURE & ORDINARY.


भगवानुवाच, मैं साधारण तन में आता हूँ। अब भगवान जरूर आकरके, इस साधारण तन द्वारा आत्माओं को बैठ समझाते हैं कि मैं परमपिता परमात्मा हूँ। मैं कृष्ण की आत्मा नहीं हूँ, न ब्रह्मा, विष्णु, शंकर की आत्मा हूँ। मैं परमपिता परमात्मा हूँ, जिसको ‘शिव परमात्माए नम:’ कहा जाता है। मैं इसमें आया हूँ। मैं सूक्ष्मवतन वासी ब्रह्मा में प्रवेश नहीं करता हूँ। मुझे तो यहाँ पतितों को पावन बनाना है। मेरे द्वारा ही वह सूक्ष्मवतन वासी ब्रह्मा पावन बना है, इसलिए उनको सूक्ष्म में दिखाया है। कितना अच्छी रीति समझाते हैं। परन्तु मनुष्य सुनी अनसुनी कर, उल्टी बातों पर चलते रहते हैं। आसुरी बुद्धि से सुनते हैं। ईश्वरीय बुद्धि से सुनें, तो संशय सब मिट जायें।
“God speaks: I enter an ORDINARY body. God definitely comes, sits and explains to souls, through THIS ORDINARY body: I am the Supreme Father Supreme Soul. I am not the soul of Krishna, nor am I the soul of Brahma, Vishnu or Shankar. I am the Supreme Father Supreme Soul, to whom they say: ‘Salutations to the Supreme Soul Shiva’. I have entered this one. I do not come into Brahma, who is the resident of the Subtle Region. I have to come here to purify the impure. It was through Me that Brahma, who resides in the Subtle Region, became pure, and this is why he has been shown in a subtle form. He (ShivBaba) explains so well. However, people IGNORE/DISMISS what they hear, and continue to follow INVERTED/REVERTED aspects. They listen with Devilish/Demoniac (impure) intellects. If they were to listen with Godly/Divine intellects, all their doubts would end.

The Unlimited Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God enters the LAST, or 84th, impure ORDINARY corporeal body of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, on this corporeal sphere, and gives His OWN introduction, ONLY through the Lotus Mouth of Brahma Baba - since EVERYONE, INCLUDING Brahma Baba, are STILL TRAPPED in the corporeal stage of EXTREME body-consciousness, at THAT TIME. REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God DOES NOT come in the SYMBOLIC, REPRESENTATIVE, COMPLETE, PERFECT, FUTURE Subtle form of Brahma Baba, seen in the Subtle Region, DURING THAT PERIOD, or TIME, PRIOR 1969, WHEN Brahma Baba enacts the role of PrajaPita, through his impure corporeal body on this corporeal sphere - since EVERYONE, INCLUDING Brahma Baba, are STILL TRAPPED in the corporeal stage of EXTREME body-consciousness, at THAT TIME! However, WHEN Brahma Baba achieves his ‘sampurna karmateet avastha’ or COMPLETE ANGELIC STAGE, in 1969; and WHEN the CONCERNED Righteous Children ALSO DEVELOP their OWN ‘akari’ or subtle stage of consciousness, BOTH, REAL ShivBaba & Brahma Baba, CONTINUE to Spiritually sustain & nourish the Righteous Children - as BapDada, in Avyakt, AFTER 1969, UNTIL the VERY END of Confluence Age, using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, WHENEVER SO REQUIRED, during this period.

REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God explains so WELL, and so CLEARLY – YET, the BLIND Unrighteous children, whose intellects have become ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED & INVERTED, (AFTER having EXPOSED their intellects to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge), IGNORE/DISMISS the Pure UNADULTERATED Versions of God, or the TRUE Shrimat, which they hear, or which are explained to them by the Righteous Children, and continue to BLATANTLY follow the INVERTED/REVERTED/PERVERTED aspects, of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, DELUSIVELY believing same to be the ‘unlimited clarifications’ of the Pure Versions of God, in the SMs & AVs – but which are ACTUALLY the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED ‘unlimited clarifications’ of same, based on the DISTORTED & PERVERTED CONCEPTS of ‘Rajopradhan & Tamopradhan Bhakti’ of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’. The BLIND Unrighteous children listen with Devilish/Demoniac (impure) intellects, AFTER having been TREACHEROUSLY INDOCTRINATED with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, initiated by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, and propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God . If they were to listen with Godly/Divine intellects, all their doubts would end! But owing to their RANK ARROGANCE of body-consciousness, coupled with their Devilish/Demoniac intellects, they are simply UNABLE to COMPREHEND the Pure Versions of God, in the CORRECT PERSPECTIVE, and CONTINUE to MISINTERPRET, MISREPRESENT & MISAPPROPRIATE same, very much to their OWN Spiritual detriment and Spiritual PERIL!


भगवान ऊंच ते ऊंच निराकार शिवबाबा है। वर्सा देने के लिए जरूर ब्रह्मा तन में आयेगा। यह प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा है, सूक्ष्मवतन वासी ब्रह्मा को प्रजापिता नहीं कहेंगे। वहाँ थोड़ेही प्रजा रचेंगे। हम ब्रह्माकुमार कुमारियाँ साकार में हैं, तो प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा भी साकार में है। यह राज आकर समझो। हम इस दादा को भगवान नहीं कहते। यह प्रजापिता है, इनके तन में शिवबाबा आते हैं, पावन बनाने। यहाँ कोई पावन है नहीं। त्रिमूर्ति शिव के बदले त्रिमूर्ति ब्रह्मा कह दिया है। परन्तु त्रिमूर्ति ब्रह्मा का कोई अर्थ नहीं है। ब्रह्मा को मनुष्यों का रचयिता भी कहते हैं, इसलिए प्रजापिता कहा जाता है। इसमें वह निराकार प्रवेश कर वर्सा देते हैं। सूक्ष्मवतन वासी ब्रह्मा पावन है। वह पतित से पावन बनते हैं।
God (‘Bhagwan’) is the Highest- on-High Incorporeal ShivBaba. He definitely enters the body of Brahma, to give You the inheritance. THIS one is PrajaPita Brahma. The Brahma who resides in the Subtle Region, would not be called ‘PrajaPita’ (Father of the People). People would not be created there. When WE, Brahma Kumars & Kumaris (BKs), are in corporeal (stage), THEN PrajaPita Brahma is also in corporeal (stage). Come and understand the significance of this. We do not call this Dada, God. THIS one is the ‘Father of the People’ (‘PrajaPita’), and ShivBaba comes in his body, in order to purify (us/everyone). No one here is pure. Instead of saying ‘Trimurti Shiva’, they have said ‘Trimurti Brahma’. However, there is no meaning to ‘Trimurti Brahma’. Brahma is also called the creator of human beings, which is why he is called PrajaPita. The Incorporeal One enters THIS one, and gives You your inheritance. The Brahma who resides in the Subtle Region is pure. He becomes pure from impure.”

The terms, ‘Bhagwan’ (God) & ‘Highest-on-High’, can pertain to ONLY ONE Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva– and CANNOT pertain to ANY OTHER embodied soul on this corporeal sphere.
REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God TEACHES the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge & Easy RajYog, and gives the Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya to the Righteous Children, in Confluence Age ITSELF, ONLY THROUGH His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his ELEVATED SUBTLE body, till the end of Confluence Age.
The SYMBOLIC, REPRESENTATIVE, COMPLETE, PERFECT, FUTURE Subtle form of Brahma Baba – (seen in the Subtle Region, DURING THAT PERIOD, or TIME, PRIOR 1969, WHEN Brahma Baba enacts the role of PrajaPita, through his impure corporeal body on this corporeal sphere) - would not be called ‘PrajaPita’ (Father of the People), since People CANNOT be created there ANEW - since they are VERY MUCH, STILL TRAPPED in EXTREME body-consciousness, on this corporeal sphere, AT THAT TIME - including Brahma Baba, himself. When the CONCERNED Brahma Kumars & Kumaris (BKs), are STILL TRAPPED in their corporeal stage of EXTREME body-consciousness, THEN REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR is also VERY MUCH REQUIRED, in his impure corporeal body, in this impure corporeal World, and NOT in the Subtle Region – AT THAT TIME! ONLY WHEN, Brahma Baba, himself, achieves his ‘sampurna karmateet avastha’ or COMPLETE ANGELIC STAGE, in 1969, and the CONCERNED Righteous Children ALSO DEVELOP their OWN ‘akari’ or subtle stage of consciousness, is it possible for the Righteous Children to EXPERIENCE a Spiritual Meeting with REAL ShivBaba & Brahma Baba, COMBINED TOGETHER, as BapDada, in Avyakt – WITHOUT having to depend on ANY corporeal body of ANY OTHER embodied soul, on this corporeal sphere, THEREAFTER, UNTIL the VERY END of Confluence Age. The TEMPORARY provision of Meeting BapDada, through the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, WHENEVER SO REQUIRED, and WHENEVER POSSIBLE, is EXCLUSIVELY meant to cater to NEW Spiritual aspirants, to also enable them to DEVELOP their OWN ‘akari’ or subtle stage of consciousness, to enable them, to THEN ALSO EXPERIENCE a Spiritual Meeting with REAL ShivBaba & Brahma Baba, COMBINED TOGETHER, as BapDada, in Avyakt – WITHOUT having to depend on ANY corporeal body of ANY OTHER embodied soul, on this corporeal sphere, THEREAFTER, UNTIL the VERY END of Confluence Age!

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!

Whereas, the Defamer Of God TREACHEROUSLY MANIPULATES ALL SUCH Pure Versions of God, to TREACHEROUSLY TRICK the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that he, himself, is ‘Paramatma’, highest-on-high ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita’, ‘Adi Dev’, etc., etc., etc. - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!


पहले-पहले पावन हैं लक्ष्मी-नारायण। वे जरूर पुनर्जन्म लेते होंगे। 84 जन्म पूरे होने से, फिर साधारण मनुष्य बन जाते हैं। उनमें फिर बाप प्रवेश करते हैं। तो यह व्यक्त ब्रह्मा, वह अव्यक्त ब्रह्मा। सूक्ष्मवतन में सृष्टि नहीं रची जाती है। अक्सर करके लोग इस बात पर मूँझते हैं, तो तुमको समझाना है, बाप कहते हैं, मैं बहुत जन्मों अर्थात् 84 जन्मों के अन्त के जन्म में प्रवेश करता हूँ।
“Lakshmi & Narayan are pure FIRST of ALL. They would definitely take rebirth. After completing their 84 births, they become ordinary human beings. The Father THEN enters THIS one. Therefore, THIS one is the corporeal Brahma, and that one is the subtle Brahma. A World is not created in the Subtle Region. Generally, people are confused about this aspect, and so You have to explain: The Father says: I enter in the LAST of his many, or (in the LAST of his) 84, births.”

The above Pure Version of God CLEARLY pertains ONLY to REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev.

REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God explains so WELL, and so CLEARLY – YET, the BLIND Unrighteous children, whose intellects have become ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED & INVERTED, AFTER having EXPOSED their intellects to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, IGNORE/DISMISS the Pure UNADULTERATED Versions of God, or the TRUE Shrimat, which they hear, or which are explained to them by the Righteous Children, and continue to BLATANTLY follow the INVERTED/REVERTED/PERVERTED aspects, of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, DELUSIVELY believing same to be the ‘unlimited clarifications’ of the Pure Versions of God, in the SMs & AVs – but which are ACTUALLY the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED ‘unlimited clarifications’ of same, based on the DISTORTED & PERVERTED CONCEPTS of ‘Rajopradhan & Tamopradhan Bhakti’ of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’.


श्रीकृष्ण पतित-पावन नहीं है। वह पूरे 84 जन्म लेते हैं। पहले हैं लक्ष्मी-नारायण, फिर अन्त में ब्रह्मा सरस्वती। आदि देव, आदि देवी बनते हैं। ...
तुम अब बाप को, बाप की रचना के आदि-मध्य-अन्त को जानते हो; और कोई नहीं जानते, इसलिए कहा जाता है - निधन के। अनेक धर्म अनेक मतें हो गई हैं।
“Shri Krishna is not the Purifier. He takes the FULL 84 births. First are Lakshmi & Narayan, and then, at the end, they become Brahma & Saraswati. They become Adi Dev & Adi Devi. ...
You NOW know the Father and the beginning, the middle and the end of the Father's creation. No one else knows it. This is why they are called orphans. There are innumerable religions and innumerable opinions.”

Shri Krishna of Golden Age, is not the Purifier. Shri Krishna of Golden Age, who is the VERY SAME soul of Brahma Baba in Confluence Age, becomes the HIGHEST PRACTICAL World Sovereign, Emperor Shri Narayan, in his VERY FIRST, PURE ROYAL birth, in the VERY BEGINNING of Golden Age, and he, himself, THEN becomes the HIGHEST SPIRITUAL World Sovereign, Adi Dev, in Confluence Age – along with his Spiritual soul-mate or ‘yugal-dana’ Shri Radhe, who becomes the HIGHEST PRACTICAL World Sovereign, Empress Shri Lakhsmi, in her VERY FIRST, PURE ROYAL birth, in the VERY BEGINNING of Golden Age, and she, herself, THEN becomes the HIGHEST SPIRITUAL World Sovereign, Adi Devi, in Confluence Age.

The BLIND Unrighteous children are simply UNABLE to grasp these simple TRUTHS, owing to their ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED & INVERTED STONE intellects, and therefore they become Spiritual orphans, who are UNABLE to Re-Cognize, REAL-EYEs or EXPERIENCE the REAL ‘Parlokik’ PARENT, Shiva (‘Parlokik’ Mother, AS WELL AS, ‘Parlokik’ Father) & the REAL ‘Alokik’ Parent, Brahma Baba (‘Alokik’ Mother, AS WELL AS, ‘Alokik’ Father) - and therefore, they get TREACHEROUSLY TRAPPED by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, through the ‘MAHA-MURKH’ ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God!

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Post by Golden Heart » 18 Nov 2017

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 18.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
शिवबाबा को ही याद करना है, और कोई भी देहधारी को याद नहीं करना है। तुम्हारे सामने यह देहधारी बैठा हुआ है, इनको भी याद नहीं करना है। तुमको याद सिर्फ एक विदेही को करना है, जिसको अपनी देह नहीं है।
“You should Remember ONLY ShivBaba; You should NOT remember ANY other bodily being. This bodily being (Brahma Baba) is sitting in front of You, but You MUST NOT EVEN remember him. You simply have to Remember ONLY ONE bodiless Being, who does not have a body of His own.

The Righteous Children should have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE bodiless, Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, ALONEas a POINT source of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering themselves also as souls – also as a Point source of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy!
They should NOT EVEN remember the ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, who is REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR.


बुद्धि में शिवबाबा की याद रहनी चाहिए, न कि देहधारी की। अगर इस देहधारी को तुम याद करते हो, तो यह कॉमन हो जाता है। बाप कहते हैं, कभी भी देहधारी में लटकना नहीं है। तुमको याद एक को करना है - जो सभी को सद्गति देने वाला है। अगर इस साकार को याद किया, तो वह याद निष्फल है। ... यह बाबा भी तुमको कहते हैं, ‘मनमनाभव’। देहधारी को याद किया, तो दुर्गति को पायेंगे।
“Your intellects should Remember ONLY ShivBaba, and NOT a bodily being. If You remember THIS bodily being, that becomes common. The Father says: Never hang on to a bodily being. You have to Remember the One who grants Salvation to everyone. If You remember this corporeal being, that remembrance is fruitless. ... This Baba also tells You: ‘Manmanabhav’! If You remember a bodily being, You will go into degradation.

The Righteous Children should NOT EVEN remember the ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, who is REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR – since such ADULTERATED remembrance is FRUITLESS, and takes the embodied souls into the DEGRADATION of getting TRAPPED into body-consciousness EVEN FURTHER!


देहधारी को लौकिक कहा जायेगा। उनको याद नहीं करना है। एक मुझ निराकार को ही याद करो। गायन भी एक का ही है, ‘शिवाए नम:’; शिव है विदेही। वर्सा तुमको बाप से लेना है। यह देह भी उनकी नहीं है। बाप कहते हैं, इस शरीर द्वारा मैं सिर्फ तुमको पढ़ाता हूँ, क्योंकि मुझे अपना शरीर नहीं है, इसलिए इनका आधार लेता हूँ।
“Bodily beings are said to be worldly. You must not remember them. ONLY Remember Me, the Incorporeal One. ONLY the One is praised, ‘Salutations to Shiva’; Shiva is bodiless. You have to claim your inheritance from the Father. Even THIS body is not His. The Father says:
I TEACH ONLY You THROUGH THIS body, because I do not have a body of My own, which is why I take his support.”

REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God TEACHES ONLY the Righteous Children, the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge & Easy RajYog, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his ELEVATED SUBTLE body, till the end of Confluence Age. However, the Righteous Children should NOT EVEN remember Brahma Baba, since he is a bodily being, but should have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE bodiless, Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, ALONE!


तुमको औरों को बचाना है। मनुष्य तो एक दो को बाप से मिलाते नहीं, और ही दूर करते हैं। इस समय सबकी उतरती कला है, तो जरूर उल्टी मत देंगे।
“You have to save others. Human beings do not enable others to meet the Father, they divert them even further. At this time it is everyone’s stage of descent, and so they would definitely give INVERTED directions.

The BLIND Unrighteous children DO NOT understand ANYTHING in the CORRECT PERSPECTIVE, owing to their ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED & INVERTED STONE intellects, and therefore they DO NOT enable others to Meet the Unlimited Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, since they DIVERT them EVEN FURTHER from Him, by indoctrinating them with ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED & INVERTED directions, in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, which represents the FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, and which is initiated by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, and propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – thus leading them towards the stage of DESCENT, while TREACHEROUSLY TRICKING them into DELUSIVELY believing that they are proceeding towards the stage of ASCENT – ALL, PERFECTLY, AS PER DRAMA PLANNOTHING NEW!


सहज ते सहज बात है, याद की। परमपिता परमात्मा को याद करना है। ऊंच ते ऊंच एक ही भगवान है - इसलिए गीत भी शिवबाबा का ही गाने से ठीक है।
“The easiest aspect of all is Remembrance. Remember the Supreme Father Supreme Soul. The Highest-on-High is ONLY ONE God (‘Bhagwan’). Therefore, it is all right to sing songs of just ShivBaba.”

It is ALL RIGHT to sing songs in the praise of ONLY ONE Unlimited Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, ALONE – and NONE OTHER!
The terms, ‘Supreme Soul’ (‘Paramatma’), ‘Bhagwan’ (God) & ‘Highest-on-High’, can ONLY pertain to Shiva, ALONE – and CANNOT pertain to ANY OTHER embodied soul on this corporeal sphere.

Whereas, the Defamer Of God TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that he, himself, is ‘Paramatma’ & ‘highest-on-high’ ‘Bhagwan’, owing to his UTTERLY DEGRADED intellect - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!

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Post by Golden Heart » 19 Nov 2017

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A AV 27.03.1983, Revised 19.11.2017 wrote: Version spoken by God, through the LOTUS Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba, AFTER 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children - 1) who were PHYSICALLY present FACE to FACE with God, through the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar; and 2) who were SPIRITUALLY present FACE to FACE with God, through their own Divine Intellects, in their own 'Akari' stage.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
आज बापदादा सब बच्चों से कहाँ मिलन मना रहे हैं? किस स्थान पर बैठे हो? सागर और नदियों के मिलन स्थान पर मिलन मना रहे हैं। सागर का कण्ठा पसन्द आता है ना? सिर्फ सागर नहीं, लेकिन अनेक नदियों का सागर के साथ मिलन स्थान, कितना श्रेष्ठ होगा! सागर को भी नदियों का मिलन कितना प्यारा लगता है! ऐसा मिलन मेला फिर किसी युग में होगा? इस युग का मिलना सारा कल्प भिन्न-भिन्न रूप, और रीति से गाया, मनाया जायेगा। ऐसा मेला मनाने के लिए आये हो ना, यहाँ वहाँ से इसलिए भागे हो ना? सागर में समाए, समान मास्टर ज्ञान सागर बन जाते हो अर्थात् बाप समान बेहद के स्वरूप में स्थित हो जाते हो। ऐसा बेहद का अनुभव करते हो? बेहद की वृत्ति अर्थात् सर्व आत्माओं के प्रति कल्याण की वृत्ति - मास्टर विश्व कल्याणकारी।

“Where is BapDada celebrating a Meeting with all of You TODAY? In which place are all of You sitting? You are celebrating a Meeting at the Meeting place of the Ocean and the Rivers. You like the shores of the ocean, do you not? How elevated would be a meeting place be, where there isn’t just the ocean; but also so many rivers along with the ocean! Even the Ocean Loves the Meeting of the Rivers so much! Would such a Meeting of a gathering take place in any other Age? The Meeting of this Age will be remembered and celebrated in different ways throughout the whole Cycle. You have come here to celebrate such a Meeting, have you not? This is why You have come running from here and there, is it not? You merge in the Ocean and become Master Oceans of Knowledge, that is, you become stabilised in the Unlimited form, equal to the Father. Do you have this Unlimited EXPERIENCE? To have an Unlimited attitude means to have a benevolent attitude towards ALL souls, to be a Master World Benefactor.”

CLEAR PROOF that, BOTH, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, (who is the Ocean of Knowledge), AS WELL AS, REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, (and who is the Principal River of Knowledge), come to celebrate a Spiritual Meeting with the Righteous Children, (who are the other Rivers of Knowledge, or the Master Oceans of Knowledge), using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar – WHENEVER SO REQUIRED, EVEN AFTER Brahma Baba leaves his corporeal body, in 1969, and becomes Avyakt.

However, the BLIND Unrighteous children, whose intellects have become ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED & INVERTED – AFTER having EXPOSED their intellects to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – are UNABLE to stabilise themselves in the Unlimited form, equal to the TRUE Father, and are therefore UNABLE to have this Unlimited EXPERIENCE of celebrating a Spiritual Meeting with BapDada, in Avyakt, through the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar; as a result of which, they get VICIOUSLY TRAPPED in the perishable corporeal body of their bodily guru, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – and DIVORCE themselves from, BOTH, the ‘Parlokik’ PARENT, Shiva, AS WELL AS, the ‘Alokik’ Parent, Brahma Baba - VERY MUCH, to their OWN Spiritual DETRIMENT and Spiritual PERDITION – WITHOUT EVEN REAL-EYEsing what EXACTLY is ACTUALLY taking place!

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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 20.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
बंधन होता है दु:ख का। सम्बन्ध होता है सुख का। बंधन और सम्बन्ध दोनों अलग-अलग हैं। बंधन अक्षर पुरानी दुनिया से, सम्बन्ध अक्षर नई दुनिया से लगता है। ... बंधन है मायावी राज्य में, सम्बन्ध है रामराज्य में, वा ईश्वरीय राज्य में, उनको ईश्वरीय राज्य और इनको आसुरी राज्य कहा जाता है।
“There is sorrow in a ‘bondage’, and happiness in a ‘relationship’. ‘Bondage’ and ‘relationship’ are both separate. The word ‘relationship’ is connected with the New World, and the word ‘bondage’ with the old World. ... There is ‘bondage’ in Maya’s (Ravan's) kingdom, and ‘relationship’ in RAMA’s Kingdom, or God’s Kingdom. That is called the Godly Kingdom and this is called the Devilish kingdom.”

RAMA’s Kingdom, or God’s Kingdom, of ELEVATED ‘relationship’, is established – more specifically, in the earlier part of Confluence Age – by the Unlimited Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his ELEVATED SUBTLE body, till the end of Confluence Age – to enable the Righteous Children to claim their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, in Confluence Age ITSELF!

Maya’s kingdom, or Ravan's kingdom, of DEGRADED ‘bondage’, is established – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – to enable the BLIND Unrighteous children to claim their ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty of Ravan Rajya, in Confluence Age ITSELF!


तुमको ही बंधन और सम्बन्ध का पता है। आसुरी बंधन में रावण ने लाया। ईश्वर फिर ईश्वरीय सम्बन्ध में ले जाते हैं। बाप तुम्हारा बुद्धियोग अपने साथ जोड़ते हैं, जिससे तुम स्वर्ग के मालिक बनते हो। भक्ति में जो पुरुषार्थ करते हैं, वह है अयथार्थ। यथार्थ पुरुषार्थ परमपिता ही कराते हैं।
ONLY You are aware of ‘bondage’ and ‘relationship’. It was Ravan who brought you into Devilish ‘bondage’. God then takes You into Godly ‘relationship’. The Father enables You to connect the Yoga of your intellect with Him, through which You become the Masters of Heaven. Whatever effort people make in Devotion is INACCURATE. It is ONLY the Supreme Father, who enables You to make ACCURATE effort.”

ONLY the CONCERNED Righteous Children are TRULY AWARE of the REAL CONTRAST between DEGRADED ‘bondage’ of Ravan Rajya, and ELEVATED ‘relationship’ of RamRajya.

REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God takes the Righteous Children into Godly ‘relationship’, through the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge, delivered through the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba, who is the REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL ‘mukrar-rath’ of God. The ‘Parlokik’ Father enables the Righteous Children to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of Him, through which they become the Masters of REAL Heaven, or TRUE Paradise, commencing from the beginning of Golden Age.

The Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, ENTICES the BLIND Unrighteous children into Devilish ‘bondage’, through the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God! The Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children to have INACCURATE & ADULTERATED remembrance of THEIR ‘ShivBaba’, within the impure perishable corporeal body of THEIR bodily guru, whom they DELUSIVELY believe to be THEIR ‘Prajapita’, through which they become the masters of APPARENT Heaven, or FALSE ‘Paradise’, commencing from the beginning of Copper Age!


तुम ब्रह्मा मुख वंशावली सच्चे ब्राह्मण देवता बनने लिए पुरुषार्थ कर रहे हो। ... ब्राह्मणों को ही ब्रह्मा द्वारा श्रीमत मिलती है, जिससे तुम श्रेष्ठ देवता बनते हो।
“You TRUE Brahmins, who are the ‘mouth-born’ progeny of Brahma, are making effort to become Deities. ... ONLY You Brahmins receive Shrimat THROUGH Brahma - through which You become ELEVATED Deities.”

ONLY the Righteous/Worthy Children, or TRUE Brahmins (BKs), who are the REAL ‘mouth-born’ progeny of REAL Brahma (who is Brahma Baba), receive the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge, or Shrimat, of REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba - through which they become ELEVATED Deities of REAL Heaven, or TRUE Paradise, commencing from the beginning of Golden Age.

Whereas, the BLIND Unrighteous/Unworthy children, or FALSE Brahmins, who are the FALSE ‘womb-born’ progeny of THEIR FALSE Brahma, but who MASQUERADE as the ‘mouth-born’ progeny of THEIR Brahma, are TREACHEROUSLY INDOCTRINATED with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, initiated by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, and propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God - through which they become DEGRADED Demons of APPARENT Heaven, or FALSE ‘Paradise’, commencing from the beginning of Copper Age!


परमपिता परमात्मा को कहा जाता है, बिन्दी मिसल। दुनिया यह नहीं जानती कि शिव का रूप क्या है। वह समझते हैं, इतना बड़ा लिंग है। बाबा कहते हैं, जैसे तुम आत्मा का रूप बिन्दी मिसल है, वैसे मुझ परमात्मा का भी रूप बिन्दी मिसल है। जैसा तुम चमकता हुआ सितारा हो, वैसे मैं भी चमकता हुआ सितारा हूँ। मैं सदैव परमधाम में रहता हूँ, जन्म-मरण में नहीं आता हूँ। तुम जन्म-मरण में आते हो। मैं पतित-पावन हूँ तो जरूर मुझे परमधाम में रहना पड़े।
“The Supreme Father Supreme Soul is said to be like a POINT. The World does not know what the form of Shiva is. They think that He is such a huge lingam (image). Baba says: Just as the form of You souls is a Point, in the same way, I, the Supreme Soul, also have the form, like a POINT. Just as You are sparkling Stars, I too am a sparkling STAR. I always reside in the Supreme Abode, and I do not enter rebirth. You enter rebirth. I am the Purifier, and so I definitely have to stay in the Supreme Abode.”

Just as the individual soul is like a Point source of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy, so too, the Supreme Soul is also like a POINT source of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy.
Like Father, like Son!

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Post by Golden Heart » 21 Nov 2017

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 21.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
बेहद का बाप आकर आत्माओं को पढ़ाते हैं। आत्मायें ही पढ़ती हैं। अगर कृष्ण भगवान होता तो तुम्हारा बुद्धियोग उनके चित्र की तरफ जाता, उनकी तरफ कशिश होती। उनके चित्र बिगर तुम रह नहीं सकते। परन्तु कृष्ण तो भगवान है नहीं। तो उल्टा समझने के कारण मनुष्यों को कृष्ण की ही याद रहती है। जिस्मानी याद तो बड़ी सहज है। रूहानी याद में मेहनत है।
“The Unlimited Father comes and TEACHES You souls. ONLY souls Study. If Krishna were God (‘Bhagwan’), then the Yoga of your intellect would go towards his picture, and You would be attracted towards him. You would not be able to stay without his picture. However, Krishna is NOT God (‘Bhagwan’). Because of having INVERTED understanding, people only remember Krishna. Remembrance of the corporeal is very easy. Spiritual Remembrance requires effort.”

IF Shri Krishna of Golden Age were God (‘Bhagwan’), then everyone would be naturally attracted towards him, and the Yoga of their intellects would naturally go towards his picture, and they would not be able to stay without keeping his picture in front of them, while remembering him.
However, NEITHER is Shri Krishna of Golden Age God (‘Bhagwan’), when BOTH his soul and corporeal body are PURE, NOR is he God (‘Bhagwan’), in Confluence Age, when his VERY SAME SOUL plays the role of REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL Prajapita Brahma (who is Brahma Baba or soul of DLR), when BOTH his soul and corporeal body are IMPURE!

Because of having ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED & INVERTED understanding, the BLIND devotees of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, having been INDOCTRINATED by their EQUALLY BLIND bodily gurus, remember Shri Krishna of Golden Age, as God (‘Bhagwan’), since remembrance of the corporeal form is easy, owing to their OWN state of body-consciousness. The EXACT ‘shooting’ of same takes place – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – when the BLIND Unrighteous children, having been TREACHEROUSLY INDOCTRINATED by their EQUALLY BLIND, ‘MAHA-MURKH’, bodily guru - (MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, Confluence Age ‘Krishna’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God) – remember THEIR ‘ShivBaba’, within the impure perishable corporeal body of THEIR bodily guru, DELUSIVELY believing him to be THEIR ‘Prajapita’ & Confluence Age ‘Krishna’, since they are UNABLE to have Spiritual Remembrance of REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, owing to their state of ABJECT body-consciousness, due to their ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED & INVERTED STONE intellects, AFTER having EXPOSED their intellects to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge!


परमपिता परमात्मा के बिगर यह बेहद का वर्सा मिल न सके। ‘परमपिता’ माना सभी मनुष्य मात्र का क्रियेटर। तो रचना का पिता हुआ ना। सिर्फ निराकार को ही परमपिता परम आत्मा कहा जाता है, उनको इन आंखों से देख नहीं सकते। भक्ति मार्ग में दिव्य दृष्टि से देखा जाता है। यहाँ भी तुमने आत्मा का साक्षात्कार नहीं किया है, फिर भी अपने को आत्मा निश्चय करते हो। जानते हो आत्मा अविनाशी है।
“You cannot receive this Unlimited inheritance without the Supreme Father Supreme Soul. The ‘Supreme Father’, means the Creator of all human beings. Therefore, He is the Father of creation. Only the Incorporeal One is called the Supreme Father Supreme Soul. He CANNOT be seen with these corporeal eyes. On the ‘Path of Devotion’, He can be seen in a divine vision. Here, too, even though You have not had a vision of a soul, You still have the faith that You are a soul. You know that souls are imperishable.”

ONLY the ONE Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Father, Shiva, who gives the Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, to the Righteous Children, in Confluence Age ITSELF, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba - can be called as the Supreme Father Supreme Soul, who CANNOT be seen with these corporeal eyes of the corporeal body.

Whereas, the Defamer Of God TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that he, himself, is the ‘Supreme Soul’ (‘Paramatma’) & ‘highest-on-high’ ‘Bhagwan’ - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!


बाप कहते हैं, सब बच्चे ड्रामा के वश हैं। मैं भी भल क्रियेटर, डायरेक्टर, करनकरावनहार हूँ। परन्तु मैं भी ड्रामा के वश हूँ। सिवाए एक टाइम, एक शरीर के, दूसरे कोई शरीर में आ नहीं सकता हूँ। कहते हैं, सदैव दादा के तन में आयेगा, और इनको ही ब्रह्मा बनायेगा? हाँ! पहले-पहले इनका ही जन्म लक्ष्मी-नारायण था ना, फिर इनको ही आदि देव, आदि देवी बनायेंगे।
“The Father says: All the children are controlled by Drama. Although I am the Creator, Director and ‘Karankaravanhar’ (one who acts, or gets done, through others), I too am bound by the Drama. I CANNOT enter ANY OTHER body, apart from this ONE body, and at this ONE time. Some ask: Will He always enter the body of Dada, and make ONLY him Brahma? Yes! Their first births were those of Lakshmi & Narayan. They are the ones who are then made into Adi Dev & Adi Devi.”

The Unlimited Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God CANNOT enter ANY OTHER body, apart from the ONE body of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, in Confluence Age , as His ‘mukrar-rath’, in ‘Sakar’!

Whereas, the Defamer Of God TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that Shiva ALSO enters his own impure perishable corporeal body, AFTER Brahma Baba leaves his corporeal body, and achieves his ‘sampurna karmateet avastha’ or COMPLETE ANGELIC STAGE; and that Brahma Baba is NOT the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, but he, himself is the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – thus CLEARLY OPPOSING, DEFAMING, INSULTING & MOCKING God, and carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!


तुम बच्चों को निश्चय है कि यह हमारा बापदादा है। हम ब्रह्माकुमार कुमारियाँ हैं। ब्रह्मा भी शिव का बच्चा है। हम धर्म के बच्चे हैं। बाप के बच्चे तो सब कहलाते हैं। परन्तु जो हम बी.के. कहलाते हैं, तो गोया हम शिववंशी, ब्रह्माकुमार कुमारियाँ हो गये। शिवबाबा है दादा, उनको मुख्य बालक एक है, एक से फिर दूसरे पैदा होते हैं। तुम जानते हो हम ब्रह्मा मुख वंशावली ढेर हैं। ढेर होते जायेंगे, पढ़ाने वाला शिवबाबा है।
“You Children have the faith that THIS is your BapDada. You are Brahma Kumars & Kumaris (BKs). Brahma too is a Child of Shiva. You are Spiritual (adopted) Children. All are called children of the Father, but those who call themselves BKs, are the Brahma Kumars & Kumaris, who belong to the clan of Shiva. ShivBaba is the Grand-Father. He has ONE MAIN Child, and then others are created through that ONE. You know that there are many of You ‘mouth-born’ progeny of Brahma; there will continue to be many more. It is ShivBaba who is TEACHING You.”

The Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins (BKs), who are the REAL ‘mouth-born’ progeny of REAL Brahma (who is Brahma Baba), have the FIRM faith, and Re-Cognize, REAL-EYEs & EXPERIENCE, BOTH, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God as their ‘Parlokik’ PARENT and also their Grand-Father, AS WELL AS, REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, as their ‘Alokik’ Parent, and also their great-great-grandfather - and address them TOGETHER, as BapDada.

The Unlimited Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God has ONE MAIN Spiritual Child, who is REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, and ALL OTHER embodied souls, INCLUDING Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe, are Spiritually Re-Created ONLY through the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba – and through NO OTHER embodied soul, on this corporeal sphere!


अब तुम्हारी आत्मा और शरीर दोनों सतोप्रधान कैसे बनें, यह बाप आकर समझाते हैं। मीठे-मीठे बच्चे, मामेकम् याद करो। इस याद रूपी अग्नि से जो तुम्हारे में खाद पड़ी है, वह जलकर भस्म हो जायेगी। तुम्हारी आत्मा सतोप्रधान बन जायेगी। फिर यह पुराना शरीर छोड़ आत्मा जाकर दूसरा शरीर लेगी। बाप की याद से ही विकर्म विनाश होंगे।
The Father comes and explains to You souls, how You and your body can BOTH become ‘satopradhan’: Sweetest Children, Remember Me ALONE. The alloy mixed in You souls will be burnt away with the Fire of this Remembrance, and You souls will become ‘satopradhan’. Then, the soul WILL SHED THIS OLD BODY, and take ANOTHER body. Only by having Remembrance of the Father will your sins be absolved.”

When the alloy is burnt away through the Fire of ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, and the soul becomes pure, THEN, the soul WILL SHED THIS OLD IMPURE BODY, and take on ANOTHER PURE body. When Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, explains THROUGH Brahma Baba, that BOTH, body and soul become ‘satopradhan’, or pure, IT DOES NOT IMPLY that the VERY SAME old impure body becomes pure, but that the pure soul LEAVES the OLD IMPURE corporeal body, and takes on ANOTHER NEW PURE corporeal body.

Whereas, the Defamer Of God TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that the VERY SAME OLD IMPURE corporeal body, becomes a PURE corporeal body, when the soul becomes pure, at the VERY END of Confluence Age – when Shiva has CLEARLY CLARIFIED that the corporeal father of Shri Krishna is STILL IMPURE, when Shri Krishna takes a PURE birth in a PURE corporeal body; and further, that the corporeal father of Shri Krishna has a LOWER Spiritual status than the soul of Shri Krishna of Golden Age; and further, that there would be impure souls in impure bodies UNTIL Shri Krishna ascends the Throne, as Shri Narayan, ALONG WITH his Spiritual soul-mate or ‘yugal-dana’, Shri Radhe, as Shri Lakshmi - on the Day of Coronation, when the NEW Golden Age ERA ACTUALLY COMMENCES!

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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 22.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
इस चक्र को समझने से, स्वदर्शन चक्रधारी बनने से, तुम फिर स्वर्ग के चक्रवर्ती राजा रानी बनते हो। तो बुद्धि में सारा दिन यह चक्र फिरना चहिए, तो तुम्हारे विकर्म विनाश हो जायेंगे। ...
बाप सिर्फ कहते हैं, मुझे याद करो, और कोई तकलीफ नहीं देते। कैसे भी टाइम निकाल फरमान मानना चाहिए। परन्तु माया ऐसी है जो फरमान मानने नहीं देती। बाप से बुद्धियोग लगाने नहीं देती। परन्तु तुम बच्चों ने कल्प पहले भी पुरुषार्थ कर, इस माया रूपी रावण पर जीत पाई है, तब तो सतयुग की स्थापना होती है। जितना जो मददगार बनता है, उनको उतना इज़ाफा भी मिलता है।
“By understanding this Cycle, and by becoming spinners of the discus of Self-Realisation, You THEN become the Kings and Queens of Heaven, rulers of the globe. Therefore, your intellects should be spinning this discus throughout the whole day, so that your sins can be absolved. ...
The Father simply says: Remember Me. He does not give You any other difficulty. You should somehow make time and abide by His directive. However, Maya is such that she does not allow You to abide by this directive, and does not allow You to connect the Yoga of your intellect with the Father. However, You Children had made effort in the previous Cycle too, and gained victory over this Mayavi form of Ravan, and that is how the Golden Age gets established. To the extent that someone becomes a helper, accordingly, one receives a prize.”

The SUBTLEST Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, is the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, which ACTUALLY represents the FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, propagated through the BOGUS mouth of ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God - more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – which does not allow the BLIND Unrighteous children to abide by the MOST ELEVATED directive of REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of Him, ALONEas a POINT source of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering the Self also as a soul – also as a Point source of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy – through which they can THEN become pure from impure, and become worthy to claim the Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya from Him - in Confluence Age ITSELF!


पतित-पावन तो एक ही परमपिता परमात्मा है, जो पुनर्जन्म रहित है। तुम जानते हो - कृष्णपुरी को ही विष्णुपुरी कहा जाता है। कृष्ण की राजधानी अपनी, राधे की राजधानी अपनी, फिर उन्हों की आपस में सगाई होती है। राधे कृष्ण कोई भाई बहन नहीं थे। भाई बहन की आपस में शादी नहीं होती। अब तुम्हारी बुद्धि में यह बातें टपकती रहती हैं। पहले यह नहीं जानते थे। अब मालूम पड़ा है कि राधे कृष्ण ही फिर लक्ष्मी-नारायण बनते हैं - स्वर्ग के महाराजा और महारानी।
“ONLY the ONE Supreme Father Supreme Soul is the Purifier, who is beyond rebirth. You know that the ‘Land of Krishna’ is also called the ‘Land of Vishnu’. Krishna is from his own kingdom, and Radhe if from her own kindgom, and then the two of them become engaged. Radhe & Krishna were not sister and brother. Brother and sister would not get married to one another. These aspects now continue to bubble in your intellects. Previously, You did not know this. You now know that Radhe and Krishna, THEMSELVES, become Lakshmi & Narayan - the Empress and Emperor of Heaven.”

Krishna and Radhe are the VERY FIRST Prince and Princess of Golden Age, who take birth with DIFFERENT sets of corporeal parents, with a gap of 2 to 3 years between their respective births, in DIFFERENT kingdoms; hence they are NOT brother & sister, but become engaged to each other ONLY AFTER they grow up, and THEN, they, THEMSELVES, become the VERY FIRST HIGHEST PRACTICAL World Sovereigns, Lakshmi & Narayan of Golden Age, by virtue of having been the HIGHEST SPIRITUAL World Sovereigns, in Confluence Age.


प्रिन्स और प्रिन्सेज राधे कृष्ण गाये हुए हैं। उन्हों के माँ बाप का इतना उंचा मर्तबा नहीं है। यह क्यों हुआ? क्योंकि उन्हों के माँ बाप कम पढ़े हुए हैं। राधे कृष्ण का जितना नाम है, उन्हों के माँ बाप का तो जैसे नाम है नहीं। वास्तव में जिसने जन्म दिया, उन्हों का नाम बहुत होना चाहिए। परन्तु नहीं, राधे कृष्ण सबसे ऊंच हैं। उन्हों के ऊपर तो कोई है नहीं। राधे कृष्ण पहले नम्बर में गये हैं, फिर पहले नम्बर में महाराजा महारानी भी बने हैं। भल जन्म माँ बाप से लिया है, परन्तु नाम उन्हों का ऊंचा है। यह बुद्धि में अच्छी तरह बिठाना है।
“Radhe and Krishna are remembered as the Princess and Prince. Their parents DO NOT have such a high status. Why is that? Because their parents studied less. The names of Radhe and Krishna are so well known, but it is as though their parents’ names are not even mentioned. In fact, the names of those who gave birth, should be very well known, but NO! Radhe and Krishna are the HIGHEST of ALL. There is NO ONE higher than them. Radhe and Krishna claim the FIRST number, and they become the FIRST Empress and Emperor. Although they take birth through their parents, but their names are higher (than their parents). This has to be made to sit VERY CLEARLY in your intellects.

Radhe and Krishna of Golden Age, are the HIGHEST of ALL, among the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE on this corporeal sphere, and there can be NO ONE ELSE higher than them on this corporeal sphere, in Spiritual status, since they claim the VERY FIRST number, and they become the VERY FIRST Empress and Emperor, or the HIGHEST PRACTICAL World Sovereigns, Lakshmi & Narayan, in the beginning of Golden Age, by virtue of having been the HIGHEST SPIRITUAL World Sovereigns in Confluence Age.
The Spiritual status of the corporeal parents of Krishna and Radhe of Golden Age, is LOWER than the Spiritual status of Krishna and Radhe, since their corporeal parents studied LESS than them, in Confluence Age, and hence their parents’ names are NOT so well known, as the names of Krishna and Radhe; and their corporeal parents are ONLY instrumental to give them respective corporeal births - in the form of ELEVATED ‘maids & servants’!
This has to be made to sit VERY CLEARLY in the intellects of the Righteous/Worthy Children, or the TRUE Brahmins (BKs).

Whereas, the Defamer Of God TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that ‘Radhe & Krishna’ mentioned in this Version, pertain to Confluence Age ‘Radhe & Krishna’, who are DIFFERENT from Radhe & Krishna of Golden Age; and that the point regarding their parents studying LESS, and having a LOWER Spiritual status, pertains to the Spiritual ‘parents’, who gave them the Spiritual Knowledge in Confluence Age, and NOT to their corporeal parents of the corporeal body – WITHOUT CLEARLY IDENTIFYING, or SPECIFYING, those so-called Spiritual ‘parents’, who are NOT KNOWN to the BLIND Unrighteous children – NEITHER can they CLEARLY COMPREHEND, or EXPLAIN, as to how THEIR IMAGINARY ‘Lakshmi & Narayan’, whose IMAGINARY ‘kingdom’ is DELUSIVELY believed by them, to have been established in 1976 ITSELF, is Spiritually governed, when the TWO of them are VERY MUCH STILL in TWO DIFFERENT Spiritual ‘Kingdoms’, and THEIR IMAGINARY ‘Lakshmi’ is STILL NOT well versed with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, while the other SUBJECTS are VERY MUCH advanced in same???


तो भगवान की श्रीमत माननी चाहिए ना। बेहद के बाप की जो मत नहीं मानते, उन्हें महान कपूत कहा जाता है। कपूत बच्चे को बाप से क्या वर्सा मिलेगा! सपूत बच्चे वर्सा भी अच्छा लेते हैं, जो खुद पवित्र बन औरों को पवित्र बनाते हैं।
“Therefore, You should abide by the Shrimat of God. Those who do not abide by the directions of the Unlimited Father are called greatly Unworthy souls. What inheritance would Unworthy children receive from the Father? Worthy Children do claim a good inheritance. They become pure themselves and enable others to become pure.”

The BLIND Unrighteous/Unworthy children, who DO NOT abide by the ELEVATED, UNADULTERATED directions of the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva – owing to their ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED & INVERTED STONE intellects, AFTER having EXPOSED their intellects to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge - are called greatly UNWORTHY souls, who CANNOT claim the Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya from REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, in Confluence Age ITSELF, through Brahma Baba – and therefore, they are left with NO OTHER option but to claim their ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty of Ravan Rajya, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – while being under the SEVERE DELUSION that they are in the process of claiming their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya!

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Post by Golden Heart » 23 Nov 2017

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 23.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
भगवान ने राजयोग सिखाया था। भगवान ऊंचे ते ऊंचे को ही कहा जाता है। श्रीकृष्ण भगवान हो न सके। बेहद का बाप है ही निराकार। बेहद की बादशाही वही दे सकते हैं।
“God (‘Bhagwan’) had TAUGHT You RajYog. ONLY the Highest-on-High is called God (‘Bhagwan’). Shri Krishna CANNOT be God (‘Bhagwan’). The Unlimited Father is Incorporeal. ONLY He can give You the Unlimited Sovereignty.”

ONLY the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, can be called God (‘Bhagwan’), who is the Highest-on-High Incorporeal Unlimited Father, who TEACHES RajYog ONLY to the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, and gives them their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, in Confluence Age ITSELF, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his ELEVATED SUBTLE body, till the end of Confluence Age.

Whereas, the Defamer Of God TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that he, himself, is the ‘unlimited father’, who is the ‘highest-on-high’ ‘Bhagwan’, and who is Confluence Age ‘Krishna’ - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – through whom the BLIND Unrighteous children receive their ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty of Ravan Rajya – while remaining under the SEVERE DELUSION that they are in the process of claiming their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya – WITHOUT PERCEIVING that there is a DIFFERENCE of Day & Night BETWEEN the TWO!


हम हैं आस्तिक। वह हैं नास्तिक। वह हैं ईश्वर को न जानने वाले। हम हैं ईश्वर से योग रखने वाले। तो मतभेद है ना! बाप ही आकर आस्तिक बनाते हैं। बाप का बनने से बाप का वर्सा मिल जाता है। यह बड़ी पेचीली बातें हैं। पहले-पहले तो बुद्धि में बिठाना है कि गीता का भगवान परमपिता परमात्मा है। उसने ही आदि सनातन देवी-देवता धर्म स्थापन किया था।
“We are theists, and they are atheists. They are those who DO NOT know God, and we are those who have Yoga with God. So, there is a DIFFERENCE of opinion! ONLY the Father comes and makes You into theists. By belonging to the Father, You receive the Father's inheritance. These are very tricky aspects. FIRST of ALL, it should sit in the intellects that the ‘God of the Gita’ is the Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Himself, who had established the original eternal Deity religion.”

The Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, are theists, who TRULY Re-Cognize, REAL-EYEs & EXPERIENCE REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, and who are, therefore, ABLE to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Yoga with Him – as a POINT source of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering themselves also as souls – also as a Point source of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy – and who, therefore, TRULY belong to Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, who is the ‘God of the TRUE Gita’ - from whom they receive their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, in Confluence Age ITSELF, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba.

Whereas, the BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, are ATHEISTS, who DO NOT Re-Cognize, REAL-EYEs or EXPERIENCE REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, and who are, therefore, UNABLE to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Yoga with Him – and who ACTUALLY belong to the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, being the FALSE ‘God’ of the FALSE Gita - in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – through whom the BLIND Unrighteous children receive their ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty of Ravan Rajya - more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!


सतयुग में भी बहुत राजायें, महाराजायें होते हैं, महाराजाओं के फिर प्रिन्स प्रिन्सेज भी होते, उनके पास बहुत प्रापर्टी होती है, राजाओं के पास कम प्रापर्टी होती।
“In the Golden Age ALSO, there are MANY kings and Emperors. There, Emperors have princes and princesses. They have a lot of property. The kings have LESS property.”

In the Golden Age, besides the MAIN Empress & Emperor, Lakshmi & Narayan, there are ALSO MANY other kings & queens of respective PRINCIPALITIES, who assist them in the administration of the ENTIRE Kingdom of Golden Age, as a WHOLE - SIMULTANEOUSLY!

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Post by Golden Heart » 24 Nov 2017

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 24.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
भगवान आते ही हैं भक्तों की सद्गति करने। अपने साथ हाथ में हाथ देकर ले चलता हूँ। ऐसे नहीं कि सुखधाम में जाकर तुमको छोड़ता हूँ। नहीं! इस समय के पुरूषार्थ अनुसार आपेही जाकर प्रालब्ध भोगते हो।
“God comes ONLY to grant Salvation to the devotees. I put My hand in your hands and take You along. It is not that I take You to the Land of Happiness and leave You (THERE). No! According to the effort You make at THIS TIME, You automatically go and experience your reward THERE.

When the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, says that,
I put My hand in your hands and take You along’, this DOES NOT refer to a corporeal hand of a corporeal body, or EVEN to a subtle hand of a subtle body, but to the Spiritual ‘Hand’ of the Pure UNADULTERATED Shrimat of God, delivered to humanity, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba - by following which, the CONCERNED Righteous Children AUTOMATICALLY go and EXPERIENCE their respective reward THERE, in Golden Age, according to the effort they make in Confluence Age, NUMBER-WISE!

Whereas, the Defamer Of God TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that a corporeal body is ESSENTIAL on this corporeal sphere, in order to receive the Unlimited Spiritual inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya from Shiva - UNTIL the VERY END of Confluence Age!


बाप समझाते हैं, बच्चे, अब तक तुमने जो कुछ पढ़ा और सुना है उन सबको भूल जाओ। मनुष्य मरने समय सब कुछ भूल जाते हैं ना? तो यहाँ भी तुम जीते जी मरते हो। तो बाप कहते हैं, मैं नई दुनिया के लिए जो बातें सुनाता हूँ वही याद करो। अभी हम अमरलोक में जाते हैं, और अमरनाथ द्वारा अमरकथा सुन रहे है।
The Father explains: Forget EVERYTHING You have studied and heard UNTIL NOW. When a person dies, he forgets EVERYTHING, is it not? So, here too, You ‘die’, while alive. So, the Father says: ONLY remember THAT, which I tell You about the New World. We are now going to the ‘Land of Immortality’ (‘Amarlok’), and are listening to the ‘Story of Immortality’ (‘Amarkatha’), from the ‘Lord of Immortality’ (‘AmarNath’).”

The REAL ‘Lord of Immortality’ (‘AmarNath’) is the Unlimited Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, who gives the Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya to the Righteous Children, in Confluence Age ITSELF, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his ELEVATED SUBTLE body, till the end of Confluence Age.
Shiva is the TRUE ‘Lord of Immortality’ (‘AmarNath’) - who relates the ‘Story of Immortality’ (‘Amarkatha’) to the TRUE Parvatis, or Righteous/Worthy Children, or TRUE Brahmins (BKs), who are the REAL ‘mouth-born’ progeny of REAL Brahma (who is Brahma Baba), in order to enable them to go to the ‘Land of Immortality’ (‘Amarlok’) – and NOT Shankar!

The Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, SEVERELY MISINTERPRETS, MISREPRESENTS & MISAPPROPRIATES the Pure Versions of God, like this one, through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘MAHA-MURKH’ ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, to TREACHEROUSLY imply that they should FORGET EVERYTHING which they have heard from the Godly University, spoken through Brahma Baba, since Brahma Baba has ‘DIED’ in 1969 – and they should NOW listen ONLY to THAT which is spoken through the mouth of THEIR ‘Prajapita, since he is the ‘mukrar-rath’ of THEIR ‘ShivBaba’, through whom the ‘unlimited clarifications’, (of the original Versions spoken through Brahma Baba), are given – but who is ACTUALLY the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – who is instrumental to carry out the ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya, by giving the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED ‘unlimited clarifications’, (of the original Versions spoken through Brahma Baba), which are in ACCURATE CONSONANCE with the DISTORTED & PERVERTED CONCEPTS of ‘Rajopradhan & Tamopradhan Bhakti’ of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, or the ‘Night of the Cycle – and which TOTALLY CONTRADICT the ORIGINAL, Pure Versions of God, in the SMs & AVs, spoken through the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba!

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Post by Golden Heart » 25 Nov 2017

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 25.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
आत्माओं का बाप तो एक ही निराकार परमपिता परमात्मा शिव है। ... भक्ति में सब झूठा रास्ता बताते हैं, इसलिए देही-अभिमानी बन नहीं सकते। आत्मा सो परमात्मा कह दिया, तो फिर योग किससे लगायें? बाप कहते हैं, यह सब मिथ्या ज्ञान है अर्थात् ज्ञान ही नहीं है!
The Father of souls is ONLY ONE Incorporeal Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva. ...
On the ‘Path of Devotion’, ALL the paths they show are FALSE, and this is why they CANNOT become soul-conscious. They have said that the soul is the ‘Supreme Soul’, and so with whom would they have Yoga? The Father says: All of that knowledge is FALSE (untruth, deceptive, double-tongued, bogus, tall claims, etc.), that is, it is NOT knowledge AT ALL!

The term, ‘Supreme Soul’, pertains to ONLY ONE Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva – and NO OTHER embodied soul can be called as the ‘Supreme Soul’ (‘Paramatma’).

However, the Defamer Of God TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that he, himself, is the ‘Supreme Soul’ (‘Paramatma’) – being ‘Supreme’ among ALL OTHER embodied souls, on this corporeal sphere; and further, that he, himself, is the ‘highest-on-high’ ‘Bhagwan’ - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!

On the ‘Path of Devotion’ of Ravan Rajya, ALL the paths which the BLIND bodily gurus show are FALSE, and this is why they, AS WELL AS, their BLIND devotees, CANNOT become soul-conscious. They have said that the individual embodied soul is the ‘Supreme Soul’; and so the ‘Parlokik’ Father, Shiva, clarifies that ALL of that knowledge is FALSE, UNTRUTH, DECEPTIVE, DOUBLE-TONGUED, BOGUS, TALL CLAIMS, etc. - that is, it is NOT knowledge AT ALL – but is based on the FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya - the EXACT ‘shooting’ of which takes place - more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, initiated by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, and propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Prajapita’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God!


ज्ञान और भक्ति दो अक्षर आते हैं। आधाकल्प ज्ञान और आधाकल्प भक्ति चलती है। बाप आकर समझाते हैं कि इन शास्त्र आदि में भक्ति का ही वर्णन है। ज्ञान अलग चीज़ है, आधाकल्प ज्ञान सतयुग त्रेता, दिन। आधाकल्प भक्ति यानी रात, द्वापर कलियुग। ऐसी सहज बातें भी विद्वान आचार्य नहीं जानते। बिल्कुल ताकत नहीं रही है। तुम कहते हो परमपिता परमात्मा हमको पढ़ाते हैं।
“There are the two terms: Knowledge and Devotion. For half the Cycle there is Knowledge, and for half the Cycle there is Devotion. The Father comes and explains that there is ONLY narration of Devotion in those Scriptures. Knowledge is something different. For half the Cycle there is Knowledge, (which means) the Golden & Silver Ages, the Day. Then, for half the Cycle there is Devotion, that is, the Night, the Copper & Iron Ages. Even scholars and teachers DO NOT know such easy aspects. They have no power left at all. You say that the Supreme Father Supreme Soul, is TEACHING You.”

The Unlimited Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God TEACHES the Righteous Children, the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge & Easy RajYog, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his ELEVATED SUBTLE body, till the end of Confluence Age – through whom, and through which, the Righteous Children receive their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, in Confluence Age ITSELF – during the Golden & Silver Ages, or the ‘Day of the Cycle’.

Whereas, the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, CHEATS the BLIND Unrighteous children, by TREACHEROUSLY INDOCTRINATING them with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – which is the ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, which takes place, more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Prajapita’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God - through whom, and through which, the BLIND Unrighteous children receive their ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty of Ravan Rajya, in Confluence Age ITSELF – during the Copper & Iron Ages, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’!

Owing to their ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED & INVERTED STONE intellects, (AFTER having EXPOSED their intellects to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge), the BLIND Unrighteous children are DELUSIVELY CONVINCED that same represents the ‘unlimited clarifications’ of the Pure Versions of God, in the SMs & AVs, originally delivered by Shiva, through Brahma Baba – but which are ACTUALLY the MISINTERPRETATIONS, MISREPRESENTATIONS & MISAPPROPRIATIONS of same, based on the DISTORTED & PERVERTED CONCEPTS of ‘Rajopradhan & Tamopradhan Bhakti’ of the ‘Path of Devotion’, or ‘Bhaktimarg’, of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’ – ALL of which are TOTALLY FALSE & BOGUS!


बहुतों को अहंकार आ जाता है कि मेरे जैसा कोई है नहीं। कोई तो ऐसे बुद्धू हैं, समझते हैं कि ब्रह्मा भी क्या है? ... अरे, मम्मा बाबा तो जरूर सबसे तीखे होंगे! हम उन्हों का सामना क्यों करते हैं? बहुतों को अहंकार आ जाता है। बाबा कहते हैं, रात के राही थक मत जाओ। बन्दरपना छोड़ दो। नहीं तो फिर सज़ायें खायेंगे। दैवीगुण धारण करने हैं। किसको भी कभी उल्टी मत नहीं देनी चाहिए, जो उनका बुद्धियोग टूट पड़े। धूतियां उल्टी मत देती हैं।
“Many have arrogance (and think) that there is no one like them. Some are such FOOLS that they think, ‘Who is Brahma anyway?’ ... Hey, (Saraswati) Mama and (Brahma) Baba must DEFINITELY be the CLEVEREST of ALL! Why do you confront them? Many develop arrogance. Baba says: O traveler of the Night, do not become weary! Let go of your ‘monkey business’! Otherwise, you will have to undergo punishment. You have to imbibe Divine virtues. You must never give anyone INVERTED directions, and break the Yoga of their intellect. Those who gossip & tell tales give INVERTED directions.”

REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev & REAL Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe, who is ALSO REAL Adi Devi, are the CLEVEREST of ALL, among ALL OTHER embodied souls of the ENTIRE human race, on this corporeal sphere - and NO ONE can go HIGHER than them, in Spiritual status, on this corporeal sphere!

However, the Defamer Of God and the BLIND Unrighteous children, are SUCH Spiritual FOOLS (‘MAHA-MURKH’), that they DELUSIVELY believe that there is no one like them, owing to their RANK ARROGANCE of body-consciousness, and therefore they IGNORANTLY CONFRONT, OPPOSE, DEFAME, MOCK & INSULT, BOTH, REAL ShivBaba, AS WELL AS, Brahma Baba, by BLATANTLY propagating the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, thus breaking the Yoga of their intellects and the intellects of others with God, with such INVERTED directions - and CONTINUE to gossip & tell tales about the OFFICIALLY APPOINTED INSTRUMENTAL souls of the Godly University, WITHOUT REAL-EYEsing that they would have to undergo SEVERE Spiritual RETRIBUTION for CONTINUING with such Spiritual MONKEY BUSINESS – whether knowingly or unknowingly, whether intentionally or inadvertently!

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Post by Golden Heart » 27 Nov 2017

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 27.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
इस समय ईश्वर ने ही मत दी होगी, और साकार में ही आकर दी होगी। लिखा हुआ है, ‘श्रीमत भगवानुवाच’, सिर्फ नाम कृष्ण का डाल दिया है। वास्तव में है निराकार भगवान की मत। तो जरूर नई दुनिया स्थापन हुई होगी। भगवान ने तो सारी दुनिया में फेरा नहीं लगाया होगा! न सारी दुनिया आ सकती है, न भगवान सबके पास जा सकता है, न सब परमात्मा के सम्मुख हो सकते हैं। कितने ढेर मनुष्य हैं। कोई बड़ा आदमी आता है, उनको भी कोई सब थोड़ेही देख सकेंगे। इतनी सब मनुष्यात्माओं को बाप आकर गति वा सद्गति देते हैं। शान्तिधाम और सुखधाम अलग-अलग हैं।
“ONLY God must have given directions at THIS TIME, and He must have given them by coming here, ONLY within the corporeal (form). It is written, ‘God speaks Shrimat’, but they have only put the name of Krishna. In fact, they are the directions of Incorporeal God. Therefore, the New World must DEFINITELY have been established. God would not have gone around the WHOLE World! NEITHER can the WHOLE World come, NOR can God go to EVERYONE, NOR can EVERYONE come FACE to FACE with God. There are so many human beings! When an eminent person comes, NOT EVERYONE would be able to see him. The Father comes and gives Liberation and Salvation to ALL of the human souls. The ‘Land of Peace’ (‘Shantidham’) is SEPARATE from the ‘Land of Happiness’ (‘Sukhdham’).”

The Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, gives the Pure UNADULTERATED Shrimat to the Righteous Children, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth of His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, through whom the New World of RamRajya is established - in Confluence Age ITSELF!

It is MOST DEFINITELY NOT FEASIBLE for REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God to go around the WHOLE World, through the corporeal body of Brahma Baba - or through ANY corporeal body of ANY OTHER embodied soul, on this corporeal sphere! NEITHER can the WHOLE World come to God, NOR can God go to EVERYONE, NOR can EVERYONE come FACE to FACE with God, through the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, in ‘Sakar’, OR through the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, in ‘Akar’ – or through ANY corporeal body of ANY OTHER embodied soul, on this corporeal sphere! It is a matter of SIMPLE COMMON SENSE to understand that there are so many human beings on this corporeal sphere, and it would NOT be POSSIBLE for EVERYONE to meet God through ANY corporeal body, in ‘Sakar’! Therefore, a COMPREHENSIVE Spiritual Meeting with God is ONLY POSSIBLE when embodied souls DEVELOP their OWN ‘akari’ or subtle stage of consciousness, en route to FINALLY developing their ORIGINAL ‘nirakari’ stage of COMPLETE soul-consciousness.

Whereas, the Defamer Of God SLYLY MANAGES to TREACHEROUSLY TRICK the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that he, himself, is the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, in ‘Sakar’, through whom ALL the embodied souls of the WHOLE World would eventually meet God FACE to FACE, in ‘Sakar’ – which is CLEARLY IMPOSSIBLE – thus TRAPPING them in body-consciousness EVEN FURTHER!


त्रिकालदर्शी बाप है, उन द्वारा यह राज्य पाया है। बाप किन्हों को आकर त्रिकालदर्शी बनाते हैं? जरूर बच्चों को ही बनायेंगे। सगे बच्चों को सिखायेंगे, फिर उन द्वारा और सीखेंगे। बाप का बच्चा ब्रह्मा। ब्रह्मा के बच्चे तुम ब्राह्मण। ‘विष्णु वा शंकर के बच्चे’, नहीं कहा जाता। गायन है, ‘प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा’, तो यह ब्रह्मा भी पिता, शिव भी पिता - दोनों बाप ठहरे। जरूर ब्रह्मा द्वारा ही सृष्टि रचेंगे। गायन भी है, ‘ब्रह्मा द्वारा ब्राह्मणों की स्थापना’।
“The Father is the ‘Seer of the THREE aspects of Time’ (‘Trikaldarshi’), and You attained Sovereignty through Him. Whom does the Father come and make ‘Trikaldarshi’? He surely makes the Children that. He TEACHES the REAL (Righteous) Children, and others would learn from them. Brahma is the Child of the Father, and You Brahmins are the Children of Brahma. It is not said,‘the Children of Vishnu or Shankar’. PrajaPita Brahma is remembered. So, THIS Brahma is ALSO a Father, and Shiva is ALSO the Father - BOTH are Fathers. The World would surely be created THROUGH Brahma. It is remembered that Brahmins were created THROUGH Brahma.”

The Unlimited Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God is the ‘Seer of the THREE aspects of Time’ (‘Trikaldarshi’), who comes and makes the Righteous/Worthy Children, or TRUE Brahmins, also ‘Trikaldarshi’, by TEACHING them the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge & Easy RajYog, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba, through whom & through which, they THEN claim their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya – in Confluence Age ITSELF.

REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev is the VERY FIRST, DIRECT ‘mouth-born’ Child of REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, (born through the Lotus Mouth of the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, HIMSELFbesides ALSO being His ONE & ONLY Spiritual Wife); and ALL the OTHER Righteous Children, INCLUDING Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe, are the REAL ‘mouth-born’ Children of REAL Brahma (who is Brahma Baba) – REAL ShivBaba being their Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Father & Brahma Baba being their INCOGNITO corporeal ‘Alokik’ Mother – besides ALSO being their EVIDENT corporeal ‘Alokik’ Father. Therefore, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God is ALSO their ‘Parlokik’ Father (besides ALSO being their ‘Parlokik’ Mother) & REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, is ALSO their EVIDENT ‘Alokik’ Father, or JagadPita (besides ALSO being their INCOGNITO ‘Alokik’ Mother, or JagadAmba) – BOTH of them are Fathers – ONE being ‘Parlokik’, and the OTHER being ‘Lokik’!

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!

Whereas, the Defamer Of God SLYLY MANAGES to TREACHEROUSLY TRICK the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that Brahma Baba is NOT the ‘Alokik’ Father, or PrajaPita, and that he, himself, is THEIR ‘Prajapita’, and THEIR ‘ShivBaba’, who is THEIR ‘creator’ – by TREACHEROUSLY DIFFERENTIATING between the terms, ‘Shiv Baba’ & ‘Shiv Bap’, as representing TWO DIFFERENT souls, when both the terms ACTUALLY represent ONLY the ONE SINGULAR soul of REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God – thus OPPOSING, DEFAMING, INSULTING & MOCKING God, CONSISTENTLY & PERSISTENTLY – and carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!

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Post by Golden Heart » 28 Nov 2017

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 28.11.2017 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969
DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
अपने को आत्मा समझ, देह का अभिमान छोड़, एक की ही याद में रहना है। अभी तुम आत्म-अभिमानी बने हो। पहले थे देह-अभिमानी।
“You have to consider yourselves to be souls, renounce the awareness of the body, and remain in the Remembrance of ONLY One. You have now become soul-conscious. Previously, You were body-conscious.”

The Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, must remain in ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, ALONEas a POINT source of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering themselves ALSO as souls – also as a Point source of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy!


कृष्ण की राजधानी में कंस तो होता नहीं है।
“Kans, (the Devil), DOES NOT exist in Kingdom of Krishna.”

The kingdom of the the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, established in Confluence Age, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, (MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God), DOES NOT exist in the ‘Kingdom of Krishna’, during Golden & Silver Ages – but ONLY exists in the ‘kingdom of Kans’, during Copper & Iron Ages!


मकान का पहला फाउन्डेशन लगाया जाता है, फिर मकान बनकर पूरा होता है, फिर सेरीमनी की जाती है। तो बाप फाउन्डेशन लगाने आया है। 1937 में फाउन्डेशन लगाया, अब फिर तुम स्थापना कर रहे हो।
“First, the foundation of a building is laid, and then, when the building is completed, a ceremony is held. So, the Father has come to lay the foundation. He laid the foundation in 1937. You are now carrying out establishment, once again.”

The foundations of, BOTH, the ‘Kingdom of Krishna’ & the ‘kingdom of Kans’, are laid during Confluence Age – the former, by REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, MAINLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev; and the latter, by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, PRINCIPALLY through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God!!


तुम जानते हो रावण राज्य किसको कहा जाता है, रामराज्य किसको कहा जाता है!
“You know which is called the ‘kingdom of Ravan’; and which is called the ‘Kingdom of RAMA’!”

ONLY the CONCERNED Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, can CORRECTLY DIFFERENTIATE between the ‘Kingdom of RAMA’ - established by Shiva, in Confluence Age, through the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge, given ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba – AND the ‘kingdom of Ravan’ – established by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, in Confluence Age, through the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God!


राजाई तुमको मिलनी है क्योंकि कनेक्शन है कृष्णपुरी और क्रिश्चियनपुरी का। इन्होंने भारतवासियों को आपस में लड़ाकर कृष्णपुरी को क्रिश्चियनपुरी बनाया। अब बाप कहते हैं, हिसाब लेना है, इनको आपस में लड़ाकर, माखन तुमको देते हैं अथवा तुमको विश्व का मालिक बनाते हैं। यह आपस में लड़ेंगे जरूर! वह समझते हैं हम पहलवान, वह कहते हैं हम पहलवान, हम जीतेंगे; लेकिन सबसे पहलवान तो तुम निकल पड़े हो। जीत तुम्हारी होनी है! महावीर और महावीरनी कहा जाता है। बाप कहते हैं, माया के तूफान तो आयेंगे, परन्तु कर्म में नहीं आना। योगबल से स्थापना हो रही है, और बाहुबल से विनाश हो रहा है।
“You are to receive the Kingdom, because there is a connection between the ‘Land of Krishna’ (‘KrishnaPuri’), and the ‘Land of Christians’ (‘ChristianPuri’). They made the residents of Bharat fight among themselves, and made the ‘Land of Krishna’ into the ‘Land of Christians’. The Father now says: The account has to be settled. They will be made to fight among themselves, and You will be given the Butter, that is, He makes You into the Masters of the World. They will DEFINITELY fight among themselves! One side believes that they are very strong, and the other side says that they are very strong and that they will win. However, You turn out to be the STRONGEST of ALL. You are to be victorious! It is said: Mahavir & Mahavirni (Brave male & female Spiritual Warriors). The Father says: Storms of Maya will certainly come, but You must not put them into action. Establishment is taking place with the ‘Power of Yoga’ (‘Yogbal’), whereas destruction takes place with the ‘Power of Arms’ (‘bahubal’).”

Establishment of the New World takes place, in Confluence Age, on a SUBTLE level, with the ‘Power of Yoga’ (‘Yogbal’) of the Righteous Children, who Study the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge, and remain in ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of NONE but ONE REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God.

Whereas, the destruction of the old outer World takes place with the ‘Power of Arms’ (‘bahubal’) – initiated by the BLIND Unrighteous children, on a SUBTLE level, in Confluence Age, who study and propagate the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, and remain in INACCURATE & ADULTERATED remembrance of THEIR ‘ShivBaba’, within the impure perishable corporeal body of THEIR bodily guru, DELUSIVELY considering him to be THEIR ‘Prajapita’!


अब जो राम के पुस्तक बने हैं, वा जो भी शास्त्र आदि हैं, सब लड़ाई में खत्म हो जायेंगे। झूठी गीता, सच्ची गीता सब खत्म हो जायेगी क्योंकि सद्गति मिल जाती है। सब कामनायें पूरी हो जाती हैं। कोई कामना रहेगी नहीं।
“All the books of RAMA that have been written, and all the Scriptures etc., will ALL be destroyed in the War. The TRUE Gita and the FALSE Gita will ALL be destroyed, because You will receive Salvation. All your desires will be fulfilled. No desires will then remain.”

BOTH, the TRUE Gita of REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, delivered through the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba, in Confluence Age; AS WELL AS, the FALSE Gita of the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, will ALL be destroyed at the VERY END of Confluence Age!
The Righteous Children will receive FRUITION during Golden & Silver Ages, while the BLIND Unrighteous children will receive fruition during Copper & Iron Ages – NUMBER-WISE – in accordance with they Spiritual STUDY of the TRUE Gita & the FALSE Gita, RESPECTIVELY, during the Confluence Age!


तो सारी बेहद की हिस्ट्री-जॉग्राफी को तुम जान गये हो। बाप को कहते हैं, नॉलेजफुल। तो यहाँ ज्ञान भी दिया जाता है, पढ़ाई भी पढ़ाई जाती है। ज्ञान है मनमनाभव, इससे सद्गति होती है। फिर मध्याजीभव की पढ़ाई पढ़ाते हैं। टीचर और गुरू का पार्ट इकट्ठा चलता है। सारे वर्ल्ड की हिस्ट्री-जॉग्राफी तुमको पढ़ाते हैं। सच्ची-सच्ची नन्स तुम हो क्योंकि तुम एक को याद करती हो।
“So, You know the Unlimited History and Geography. The Father is called Knowledge-FULL. Here, You are also given Knowledge, and also given an education. Knowledge is ‘Manmanabhav’, and You receive Salvation through that. Then You are given the education of ‘Madhyajibhav’. The parts of the Teacher and the Guru continue TOGETHER. You are TAUGHT the History and Geography of the WHOLE World. You are TRUE Nuns because You Remember (ONLY) One.

The Righteous/Worthy Children, or TRUE Brahmins, are TRUE NUNS, because they have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of NONE but ONE REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God.

Whereas, the Unrighteous/Unworthy children, or FALSE Brahmins, are FALSE ‘nuns’, (MASQUERADING as TRUE NUNS), because they have INACCURATE & ADULTERATED remembrance of THEIR ‘ShivBaba’, within the impure perishable corporeal body of THEIR bodily guru, DELUSIVELY considering him to be THEIR ‘Prajapita’- ALL, PERFECTLY AS PER DRAMA PLAN - NOTHING NEW!

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