If you want to start at the same place as I have, then I encourage you to gain access to a copy of;
- • 'Is this Justice? Being an account of the founding of the Om Mandli & the Om Nivas and their suppression, by application of the Criminal Law Amendment Act of 1908' by Om Radhe, 1939. ASIN:B00089UWHE
I have been kindly given access to a copy but it is not mine and so I cannot lend it out. From this you will be able to find specific dates, names, newspaper articles and reference to existent court papers.
I am absolutely sure that the BKWSU must hold copies and so if you have good relationships with a local Brahma-kumaris' Raja Yoga centers, I would request a copy from the "university's lending library" place it beside Adi Dev and a few Murlis, and start correlating them. Let us know how your request gets on. You might also ask them why you have never been told about this book (... and ask yourself why it took a dirty, filthy, fallen, vice-ridden, lower than the lowest of the low Shudra intellect like mine to pull it out).
What I underline is that this report is widely at variance with the PR version of the Yagya's history and both cannot be true. Please note that Om Radhe was the vice-president and then president of the Om Mandli and we were told the number 2 soul in the world. Your Mama.
As I said, she states that Lekhraj Kirpalani retired and the satsangs started in 1932 (no mention of Shiva). By 1977, official spokesman of the BKWSU, Jagdish Chander, writes that Lekhraj Kirpalani was 55 ... or "possibly nearly 60" ... in 1936 (to match Murlis that says God comes when the Chariot is 60). So that would make him 51 to 55 when he retired and started the satsangs.So what was he doing for 4 or 5 years and when did "God Shiva" arrive on the scene. I have no evidence of God Shiva and I am up to 1950 so far. There might be some, I hope there is ... but I cant see. So where is it? Its a bit of a mess that needs sorting out.
There can only be one objective truth. It is merely Hinduism if there are many pluralistic truth. Or a lie. If it is a lie, then they are the People of the Lie.
Abrahma Kumar wrote:I thank whoever it was had the foresight to initiate this topic - it is one that may lead us to understand the ideal BKWSU 'operatives'.
It is remarkable that after a couple of year of xBKChat and then this forum a number of different folk come to a conclusion that some approximately hypnotic element is being used, then we discover the same question was being asked back in 1930s, then we read of some business dragon on a TV show when confronted by the Relaxkids BK freaking out because he thought he was being hypnotised. Of course, BKs would argue that it is just the influence of Om Shanti consciousness.
I would underline that although I am exploring this idea, my framework does not exclue some supernatural involvement - AS WELL. My feeling is that what has "come down to earth" has to use the "tools and techniques" of earth to achieve their or its end. I think that what the many and varied reports on this forum show, is that within BK life there is an emphasis on external control and modulation of one's, and the organization's, expression that is designed and has a strong effect on others. It is a means to an end, Yukti
not reality, that does not necessarily reflect the inside.
I am also asking if we are just replaying someone else "movie", i.e. the psychic impression of the powerful trauma the old man and all those pubescent young Hindu girls and repressed wives suffered back in Karachi, 1938, a movie that has been invested in and beaten like a drum, repetitively, to create a ripple and a wave throughout all of the world. It is modern myth making on top of ancient archetypes. (Jeez this stuff is deep, I wish I thought someone else was reading it, interested, and it had wider value).
Regarding "control of expression", f or example, if we examine Jayanti's psychic and communicative gifts against a number of other reports of sharpness and unjust temper then correlate that with Dr John Walliss report of obstinate, angry, irate interactions with high level BKWSU representatives in India when he innocently went to explore the PBKs, the PBK beatings and the attacks on the Wikipedia by representative Western BKs from different nations. What is the wider picture we receive?
There is a high degree of control around the external projection of the BKWSU and individual BK are heavily streamed and schooled to project a corporate image, Shiva's drum beat, but cracks do appear and other the suppressed elements undoubtedly do come out. The untold examples of BK sexual expression being one area that I have actually held back from exploring.
- • And now all this mess about the factual events of the history
Another academic, I cant remember if it was John Walliss, Julia Howell or Lawrence Babbs - all of whose work on the BKs you should try and read - documented that despite the external revisions, at the core the BKs remained "unreformed, unchanged, unrepented". (If I fall over the exact quote I will note it). We know this to be true. The Murlis are still, pretty much the same, and the real attitudes of the SS - the senior sisters - and most of "India", the vast bulk of "BK", are still fundamentalistic.
I personally would hazzard a guess that the Dadi and Didis still "Remember God" in exactly the same way that they did in the 1940s and 50s ... that is via a love affair with their Om Baba; Lekhraj Kirpalani. Hence Janki Kirpalani and the trance lights.
Reading these letters and books by Om Radhe, I see very, very similar traits and attitudes that have been replicated and continued to this day through the BKWSU.