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Post by sparkal » 03 Jul 2006

As usual, this is not " the truth ". It is just a post which was once made on the Internet, in the same way as the Murli is just a class which was once given. That is not to belittle the contents, but a reference towards OUR awareness towards it.
This is an observation from one individual's viewpoint at a certain point in time, their viewpoint may have changed by the time you read this. Change is the name of the game.
Put forward a different 5 virtues and they will be valid. If you have one virtue, then you have them all.
Part of the BK teachings is the 5 vices. While this is useful information, the glass of water could be taken to be half empty. It is better to be half full. Or even full to the brim and overflowing and serve others. If I have nothing, I have nothing to give and need to take. Naturally.



The human soul that you are is one. To understand the inner workings, we could look at the soul as having 3 main areas which are active within.

MIND - Creates thoughts. Thoughts emerge and give off vibrations.

INTELLECT- Retains knowledge and discriminates the thoughts which emerge in the mind. Our thoughts words and actions will reflect the knowledge, and therefore understanding, that the intellect has, and at this time, the degree to which the intellect controls the mind, overriding the negative personality which wants to control the mind and the thoughts that it creates.
Conscience. Reasoning. Understanding.
It would be negative to use the intellect to judge the self or others.

PERSONALITY - The accumulation of our past experiences through using a body to express and experience combined with the souls own eternal personality which becomes lost beneath the layers of life experience over many lives.

There appear to be 5 essence virtues which are at the foundation of the soul. They are the natural original qualities of the souls which we are. The soul does not have weakness before it enters this play of life, as it has had no previous lives.
My current understanding is that, at their negative opposite end of the spectrum, entropy has transformed these qualities into vices over the span of our many ( or few ) lives.
I use the term " vice " because it seems accurate. A vice traps the object and holds it very tight. It has a grip on it and it is going nowhere. Stuck.
I am not so sure that it is a reason to feel fear or guilty and brandish such words as " sin " as it is always going to happen under the influence of entropy / pre destiny. Everything within time and space degrades naturally, or appears to. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
We could see these 5 virtues as being like a hand with five fingers. The self respect is the thumb. Wherever you find one of the other virtues ( fingers ), self respect is often there like the thumb, we don' t do many things with our hands / fingers without the thumb being involved.
When they all co-operate with each other, great weights can be lifted and wonderful things created.

1 SELF RESPECT - It comes from being aware of the self as a peaceful eternal immortal infinitesimal spiritual being, the original state of the soul / self.
If I have true self respect, I will have respect for others. The intellect will have knowledge that I am of a spiritual nature.
Self sovereign . I control the kingdom of my own mind. I have control over my thoughts words and actions. Master over matter including the 5 bodily senses.
We can use the complete one, the Supreme Soul mirror to compare our self respect with our parent / teacher. If we appear warped, we can always laugh at it, just like in the fairground hall of mirrors. Then set about changing the self, the personality, until it is similar to the spiritual teacher / parent. The intellect receives knowledge, experiences that knowledge, and begins to lay down new, or, emerge the original personality traits.

I think we all know what arrogance is. Some may argue that the MALE EGO is greater, perhaps it is just more prominent in its expression and easier to detect than female EGO which may be more inverted. The same thing coming out in different ways?
The intellect has become weak and is being by passed leaving the negative personality to control the the mind which forms thoughts.
When we have a spiritual identity crisis, e.g., ' I the soul am my body ' , then the " I " aspect changes. " I " am then living a lie. I have become something and someone completely different from the pure soul that " I am naturally ". With EGO being closely related to the " I ", it is not surprising that it causes us all sorts of problems and little true self respect let alone respect for others.
I develop false personality through acting in the awareness of being a body. Over time, the intellect becomes flat and powerless as the knowledge that I am a body does not resonate with the true self.These body conscious personality traits grow in strength.
It is important to get the balance between I, MY, ME and MINE, without berating the self. It may take a life time, so we must allow for that and aim for balance between spiritual application and the rest of our life.
Being a complete, pure spiritual being is natural, it is what we naturally are and always have been, it is no big deal. THE COMPLETE FORM IS NO BIG DEAL.
The superficial self, the body conscious self, or, personality however, IS a big deal. It is extraordinary, quite unique, outrageously freaky, warped, twisted, a complete lie, total illusion, it is quite simply, something else, it is way out man, yet, meant to be. Have mercy on the self. Self respect.
Om Shanti - I, the soul, AM pure and peaceful. We are already it.

2 LIBERATION IN LIFE - The soul, being naturally self aware is master over matter. Everything is in balance and harmony, the natural virtues are expressed through the bodily costume. The actor is in control of the performance, naturally aware that it is a play. The awareness of drama brings lightness.
At this point in time, of purification, we can experience the awareness, I came naked and will go back the same, as a pure spiritual being. We can see the end and the beginning now.
In future lives there will be a very light easy experience through life. We also have the natural awareness of others being immortal spiritual beings who act through bodily costumes also, and there is no fear of death.
As with thinking the thoughts ' I am breathing ', there is no battle to control the mind, and so there is no conscious thoughts of " I am a soul ". There is no alternative. The thought doesn't arise. What else could " I " be.
Detached and loving. The lotus flower.
And there is the one at this time, and a subtle connection which deteriorates through time there after.
We have no awareness of being liberated from negative personality or matter, as the concept does not exist.

Our first and foremost attachment in life is our body. It is our first and immediate contact with the corporeal world. ATTACHMENT then spreads out into the world into and onto other things, be it other people ( relationships), material things, we also get attached to expectations of what is going to happen, or did happen, and when it invariably doesn't, or something else happens, other vices can emerge such as lack of understanding, fear then anger. If we are angry, there will be ego in there with it. If attached, ego will be the banker, bankrolling the other vices.
We can have material possessions yet not be attached to them. SELFISHNESS is surely a daughter of ATTACHMENT.
There can be few things more distorted than being under the illusion that you own someone else's body. Or is it the soul that is being owned? Both? All souls belong to the Supreme Soul.
We can belong to someone without being attached to them. If you love someone, set them free. We can have relationships and material things without being attached.
Habits and addictions have attachment at their core. We can get attached to desires. Pure desire is acceptable, unless the ego hijacks it I BELONG to The One and not any organisation.

What is love? We are capable of feeling pure love and compassion for all souls as well as for the self. If we have no love for the self, we cannot have it for others.
Love may not exist as such , but may be the result of many other things working in natural harmony with each other to create something which DOES exist.
Love is sweet Love is belonging Love is giving ( unconditionally )
Love is understanding Love is accepting Love is detached

Love is surely connected to that which we call the emotions. Is love PURE emotion ? The emotions can cause havoc within the spiritual pioneer. They are like a drug, films etc trigger this EMOTIONS drug in various ways, as does life. Some even pay to sit in a cinema to be scared.
The means by which we procreate is considered to be a sin. This subject needs a lot of judging gossiping and well ... understanding as it can be swept under the carpet all too often, the carpet may now require hiking boots in order to walk over it. Yes, hormones, pheromones and all things which orbit around breeding. The decision to bring souls into this world and " sex lust " are very far apart in reality. What went wrong here? Identifying ourselves with the body and seeing others as bodies? Love for bodies.
The eyes are the big player in these games. Or should that be the I's. Well what do you know, not our buddy ego in there with lust also surely ? Yup, both in the chasing role and the attracting role and the end result being attachment and the possessive jealousy etc cousins come to stay.
I am in love with this one's body, therefore, I am in love with their personality. Hmm.
The body could be considered a reflection of the personality but we can go deeper than that, the subject is a book in its own right.
Sex lust is the obvious thing which comes to mind when we come across the word lust. Yet people lust after all sorts of things i.e. The World, money, cars, chocolate and other drugs. Kingdoms even.
The Internet has probably contributed / amplified some degree, to the heavy lust vibration which pervades the world in which we live. Spiritual pollution. Only we as individuals can change that, through being soul conscious and changing the self / personality, without self judgement and beration.
The Supreme Soul has come to instigate and help in this process of self transformation.
That is not to say that two souls cannot copulate in soul consciousness ( ? ). This could prove challenging at this time depending on the individuals due to the baggage from past lives.( My qualifications are limited on the subject). This is an on going debate right now. Laity.
Accepting then transforming our weaknesses is the name of the game, not jumping up and down on top of them until they burst. Very messy. Transforming the negative into something else rather than destroying then creating with new materials is a more positive approach.
If I see myself as a body, I will see others as bodies. Like many things, It can be fun, but only for so long. We humans get bored with our toys pretty quickly.
Having a partner in life is natural for human beings. As is having children. It is about transforming and not destroying. About taking decisions which are best for us on a personal level.
We are all different, we shouldn't compare to others, we must find our own way / level based on what we have. We will never justify lust of any sort, though ego and attachment can, or we may get angry.
Spiritual principles are optional, no one can make us do anything. In life, we receive the return and experience of the choices which we make, then observe and learn. Some may choose celibacy, others may not have the capacity. We learn to find our level with anything, spiritual paths are no different. Can we accept our limitations without accepting defeat in a drama where victory is our birthright?
And of course, learning to love the self is the first love.

I am Shiva, I am the blissful one, is thought to be one of Shiva's ( Supreme Soul ) first statements through the body of Brahma. This reference to bliss infers that we are naturally blissful. Bliss is intense. It is powerful. It can be difficult to imagine at this time, being constantly blissful, without taking intoxicants. In future and now, in theory at least, It will surely be.
Bliss is connected to natural purity.
SILENCE is the most powerful energy in the universe.
PEACE is what I am, and is the experience beyond the corporeal drama.
We are all infinitesimally small.
Free from bondage.

It is said that crying is a form of anger. Perhaps ANGER could be considered to be a lack of understanding, e.g. the understanding of why something is happening, as someone who does not understand them SELF. So, lack of understanding causes fear, causes anger.
Knowledge - experience - realisation brings understanding.
When the ego doesn't get its way towards negative desires which it is attached to, or things don't go according to EXPECTATION, there can be anger, with ego at the wheel.
Reacting, the way we react to any given situation is a big part of self transformation and spiritual lifestyle.
Without the awareness of self and the understanding of drama / karma ( let us use the karma term in a simple way, i.e. my weaknesses keep tripping me up ), we tend not to understand why certain things are happening. And even WITH the awareness of karma ...
We tend to fear that which we don't understand and so become insecure and confused resulting in ANGER.
Where the likes of attachment could be seen as female " energy " , I think we could see ANGER as being more male in terms of " energy " . The spiritual Father is the blissful one.

5 BENEVOLENCE - Serving others. Giving to others unconditionally, that which can bring them benefit, for a long time. It also brings the self benefit.
If we want to move forward, put others forward ahead of the self.
I recognise my spiritual brothers with compassion and humility. All souls are spiritual brothers. The souls nature is that of peace, which is perhaps more female in terms of energy.
I donate / express the virtues to others through thoughts words and actions, unconditionally.
I sit with the seed of the world family tree and see / experience / realise all as my spiritual brothers, EQUAL to each other.
I see the self and others in their pure natural spiritual form and the pure personality which exists within.
I see the material world as belonging to the Supreme Soul and I am a guardian / care taker. This applies to my body also.
I change my self in order to change the world, unconditionally.
I love others unconditionally with pure desire for the benefit of all.
I put others ahead of the self.

Giving is taking, though this could become something negative such as, giving in order to receive.
We cannot cheat drama / karma in this way. There is no self respect or royalty (self control / purity ) in this particularly when it comes to world service and " kingdoms ", or number wise. There is no benefit in comparing the self to others, unless it is the sweet silent one.
Greed may suggest a certain fear or insecurity, filling a void perhaps.
Ego is a close friend of greed " I want that, it will boost my status and allow me to accumulate in order to hoard , therefore, keeping from others ".
Name and fame can have greed attached to it.
The wanting for ME, I, MINE. Perhaps we get greedy about things that we are lusting after because we are attached to the desire of having, possessing them.
It often applies to material objects and money, or food. People?
Money can = power. With money, we can be greedy with food and material things etc. and feed the ego' s desire. We may even get greedy about having a bigger ego than we already have or lust after. There is no self respect in this.
Greedy desire for power on the world stage. Kingdom grabbing. Taking more than we are entitled to or which is good for us. Desiring that which we want rather than what we need. Owning that which belongs to God. My body belongs to God. I, the soul, belong to the Benevolent One.
Perhaps the greatest need for benevolence is towards the self, by simply accepting who we are and being it without religious palaver etc.
There will be an abundance of everything in future, poverty is a human construction, inspired by greed, and lust for power and material things, including the world itself.
We need to be greedy for power over the kingdom of our own minds. Pure greed, which is benevolence.

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Post by howiemac » 04 Jul 2006

sparkal wrote:We can have relationships and material things without being attached
try telling that one to Dadi....

Seriously though, classic post sparkal - the focus on the positive, on virtue not vice - a very refreshing take on Gyan - a masterly analysis - i love it :)

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Post by sparkal » 05 Jul 2006

As we go along, we can lose track of the basics.

If " I am a soul " is first and last lesson, then there is a case for returning to the simple first lessons . Even though it is a fairly long post.

Thinking before acting. Easier said than done.

We are very fortunate, but it does not always feel that way. We have much to offer others.

" When we say 'I', remember the soul and when we say 'mine', remember The Father ". From a Murli of this season.

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