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Re: shivsena's theory is basically flawed

Post by arjun » 07 Apr 2011

For the purpose of record:
arjun wrote:This is the reason why the worship of single female deities started in the Iron Age whereas the worship of deities in couple form started in the beginning of the Copper Age itself. And Baba has said in the Murlis that those who worship single female deities are members of Ravana community.
shivsena wrote:The above quote is taught in Ak to take the PBKs away from mata jagdamba(personified ShivBaba--no. 1 shivshakti) and has never been said in Murlis....if you have the quote, please quote the exact point with date.....Murlis always say: "Maya bap se vimukh karati hai"... PBKs cannot differentiate which is "Maya ki mat" and which is "Bap ki mat"
I had requested the nimit sisters to provide the relevant Murli point and they have provided the same in Hindi with date as follows:

देवियों को भी कटारी, इतने भुजाएं क्यों देते हैं? जैसे रावण को भुजाएं दी हैं वैसे देवियों को भी दी हैं। तुमको तो इतनी भुजाएं हैं नहीं, परन्तु रावण सम्प्रदाय हैं ना, इसलिए भुजाएं भी दे दी हैं। रावण सम्प्रदायवासी ही उनकी पूजा करते हैं। देवियों की पूजा गोया रावण की पूजा। फिर इन्सल्ट कितनी करते हैं। देवियों को सजा कर पूजा आदि कर फिर कहते हैं डूब जा। नहीं डूबती तो ऊपर चढ़कर भी डुबोते हैं। कितनी नॉनसेन्स बुद्धि, आसुरी बुद्धि हैं। - साकार मुरली दिनांक ७.४.६८, पृ.२, आदि।

Why are the female deities (devis) depicted with axe and so many arms? Just as Ravan has been depicted with (many) arms, the female deities have also been depicted. You do not have so many arms, but they belong to the Ravan community; this is why they have depicted (many) arms as well. It is the Ravan community alone which worships them. Worship of the female deities means worship of Ravan. Then they insult them so much. They decorate the female deities, worship them and then say – drown. If she does not drown, they climb on her (idol) and make her sink. Their intellect is so nonsense, demoniacal intellect.Sakar Murli dated 7.4.68, pg.2, beginning.

Now that I have provided the Murli proof I hope Shivsena Bhai would take back his words. He can judge himself as to who is following God's directions and who is following Maya's directions on manmat.

OGS,
Arjun

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Re: shivsena's theory is basically flawed

Post by vrkrao » 20 Aug 2015

As referenced topic below is locked, I am raising my question here -

Reference # viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2342&p=49607&hilit ... tions#p496
Re: Murli/Vani Directions for 108.
Postby shivsena » 02 Jul 2015
In Murlis, it is said that Bap aakar 3-dharm sthapan karte hai : "Brahmin Dharm, Devta dharm and Kshatriya Dharm."

Which are these 3-dharm in Sangamyug ??
....1st dharm is 108 true Brahmins who are pravritti-marg Brahmins who have recognised no. 1 shivshakti mateshwari as yatharth roop of ShivBaba...these 108 souls are the king souls of 84 births.

....2nd dharm is Devta dharm BKs(9-lacs praja souls) who feel that Shiv is nirakar bindi and Krishna-Lekhraj Kirpalani is his Chariot...these souls are always adheen-praja souls(who will never understand the Murlis-Vanis) and will never become kings in any of their 84 births.

....then lastly comes the Kshatriya Dharm who are PBKs (16000 das-dasi) who believe that Shiv is nirakar and Dehdhari-Virendra Dev Dixit is his permanent Chariot...they forever remain das-dasi in their 84 births, as they remain adheen to mayavi-dehdhari-Virendra Dev Dixit in Sangamyug. ..these souls do not have the discriminating power to know what is right and what is wrong in Sangamyug and so accept blindly what their guru-Virendra Dev Dixit teaches them
Point -1 : In the first line, he mentioned
In Murlis, it is said that Bap aakar 3-dharm sthapan karte hai : "Brahmin Dharm, Devta dharm and Kshatriya Dharm."

Q(1) - So, does Shivsena Bhai agree that Bap (Father) established Kshatriya dharm ? If yes, through whom did he establish it ? Will he agree that Shiva(Incorporeal) established Kshatriya dharm (which according to him is 16000) through Virendra Dev Dixit ?

Q(2) - Shivsena Bhai can classify PBKs as 16000 das-dasis as per his churning. That's fine. But, where does he pick the logic of Kshatriya dharma souls will become das-dasis for 84 births ? Any brother can help me here to get related Murli point.

Q(3)- What is shivsena Bhai's understanding on Kshatriya dharma established by Father? What is supreme Father's intention in establishing Kshatriya dharma?

Q(4)- Why it has been said - Ask gopa-gopis about super-sensuous joy?

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Re: shivsena's theory is basically flawed

Post by vrkrao » 08 Sep 2015

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2298&start=135#p49424 (Question for Shivsena and ex-PBKs)
Sita...just wait for the climax of the Sangamyugi Drama to start, when BapDada stops incarnating in Gulzar Dadi in mt abu in the near future.....Veerendra Dev Dixit is just waiting for that day....after that Maya-azgar-Virendra Dev Dixit will start swallowing all ignorant bk-praja(just as Ravan trapped sita in disguise of a sadhu) and there will be a fight between the BKs(kaurav) and PBKs(yadav) ...first Maya will defeat everyone and when 108 ruhani shivshakti-pandavsena will start fighting Maya-Virendra Dev Dixit, then he will bow down in front of 108 rudramala and become their first bhakt. (as per Vanis)
Q(1) If Shivsena Bhai wants to correlate the 3 groups with Mahabharath episode, let us take that route. Not at all a problem. Its fine that he related PBKs to Yadavas. Where did the real hero of Mahabharath (Krishna) come from? Is he not from Yadav group ?

Om Shanti

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