If you say that it is Mama who plays the role of Ram in the Silver Age and also in the Confluence Age, when the story of Ramayana refers to that, please, elaborate. Name is based on the act. Which acts of Mama in the Confluence Age reveal her like Ram in the Ramayana. Who was her Sita who got abducted. Who were her brothers Lakshman and Bharat and Shatrughan. Who was her servant Hanuman and her army of monkeys. When and how did she fight Ravan and win. Or do you say it is something we are to witness now in the future, because Mama has a corporeal body and can also play a part of Ram now.
I expected you would claim that Ram from Ramayana refers to the role through Brahma Baba. It would be easier to support this. You can consult mbbhat, maybe he would find this interpretation more right.
Another question that arises is if you claim that the role of Shankar is played by Avyakt BapDada and Mama, please, demonstrate in what way, through which acts is this role visible now, because it is said that the role of Shankar will be played practically. The role of Brahma was obvious, we have the result out of that of establishing the Brahmin family. Which result do we have out of the role of Shankar so far, or what we are to expect in future (if you know).
I don't claim that the quotes with the few impure souls refer to the Confluence Age Krishna. What I said is that when Krishna is born there would be impure souls left, so we could not call that the Golden Age, because in the Golden Age there is no one impure. It is said that it starts with their ascending the throne.
For information and churning we have also points saying that when Krishna is born there are no impure souls. We have a point that says that the beginning of the Golden Age starts with the birth of Krishna (not with his ascending of he throne).
Regarding the Krishna and Kansa, being the eighth child, being born in jail, stealing of butter, dancing with the gopies, the basket – these refer to the Confluence Age and we believe that this refers to the role of the Supreme Soul through the medium of the corporeal Father.
About the taking to the other side....it is also said that whatever we see in visions we see with the eyes. But Brahma Baba did not see with his eyes neither destruction nor establishment. There are two types of visions. One is with closed eyes, that Baba has said that there is no benefit in that, we should not like to have that and it is part of the path of Bhakti. The other type of vision is through the third eye of knowledge, that through explanation we understand, see and realize how will establishment take place and how will destruction take place and we practice to remain in our soul-conscious stage when destruction comes, and be able to face it and watch it without fainting.
It is said night and day of Brahma, but not of Prajapita.
Your footnote in this post has been duly noted. In future, any response would follow your post. Writing within the same post was considered MORE COMPREHENSIVE & LESS CUMBERSOME for CONCERNED viewers, who have been CLOSELY following the proceedings herein, who would READILY see/differentiate/understand your views, which have been left untouched/unedited, in respective places. Repeating the post again and again, in different place/s, makes the proceedings more EXTENSIVE, and laborious for ALL CONCERNED. Furthermore, this has LESS to do with individual posting, and MORE with COMPARISON of points of Knowledge, with DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS - WHOSOEVER may be the individuals involved in presenting such viewpoints.
NO PERSONAL OFFENCE INTENDED to the original poster
BKWSU SM, Revised 06.09.2016 wrote: भक्ति करते ही हैं भगवान से मिलने के लिए। भक्ति भी पहले अव्यभिचारी फिर व्यभिचारी होती है।
People perform devotion in order to Meet God. Devotion is ALSO, at first, UNADULTERATED and it then becomes ADULTERATED.
IN EXACTLY the SAME MANNER, Pure Knowledge from God, emerging through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, is UNADULTERATED;
WHILE, the IMPURE knowledge initiated & influenced by Ravan, emerging through the BOGUS Mouth of Virendra Dev Dixit, is ADULTERATED!
An attempt has been made to comprehensively DEMONSTRATE the CONTRAST BETWEEN the TWO, on this forum, since some time now, for the benefit of CONCERNED souls ONLY.
What we have been HIGHLIGHTING are the CONCEPTS, WHICH RELATE to UNADULTERATED Knowledge, which also have memorials in UNADULTERATED DEVOTION. While Virendra Dev Dixit & the PBKs are HIGHLIGHTING the CONCEPTS, which relate to ADULTERATED knowledge (BEING THE VERY SAME POINTS OF THE ORIGINAL UNADULTERATED KNOWLEDGE
), and hence they would obviously compare same with the memorials of ADULTERATED DEVOTION. There is NOTHING WRONG with their interpretation of ADULTERATED knowledge vis-a-vis the ADULTERATED memorials of Bhaktimarg, and in this respect Virendra Dev Dixit & the PBKs are doing an EXCELLENT JOB, which CANNOT BE CHALLENGED BY ANYONE ELSE who is not involved with this process. But viewers must APPRECIATE that there is NO MEETING POINT BETWEEN the TWO
. BOTH ARE COMPLETELY EXCLUSIVE, by THEMSELVES, and have to be appreciated in THAT EXCLUSIVE CONTEXT & PERSPECTIVE.
"Who were her brothers Lakshman and Bharat and Shatrughan?
These relationships pertain to the Confluence between S A and C A, the 'shooting' of which takes place through the soul of last Rama of S A, Virendra Dev Dixit
, in Confluence Age, through ADULTERATED knowledge
vis-a-vis the ADULTERATED memorials of Bhaktimarg. View post in link below -
"... when Krishna is born there would be impure souls left, so we could not call that the Golden Age, ...
Confluence Age has THREE DISTINCT segments : 1) Iron Aged or Kaliyugi Confluence Age, 2) Confluence Aged or Sangamyugi Confluence Age, and 3) Golden Aged or Satyugi Confluence Age - (Kaliyugi Sangamyug, Sangamyugi Sangamyug & Satyugi Sangamyug).
The period between the birth of Shri Krishna (being taken from the ACTUAL ENTRY of soul of Shri Krishna inside the mother's womb) till the time he ascends the Throne, is an OVER-LAP of Golden Aged or Satyugi Confluence Age with G A, hence it would NOT BE STRICTLY CONSIDERED AS ACTUAL G A, which commences from the time Shri Krishna ascends the Throne as the FIRST Emperor, Narayan of G A.
"... when Krishna is born there are no impure souls.
The concerned Version needs to be comprehended in the CORRECT CONTEXT in which it was spoken, for which the ENTIRE Murli would be required. Those who may have a copy may post same, anytime in the future, for proper comprehension of same.
"... the beginning of the Golden Age starts with the birth of Krishna.
Applies to the soul of Shri Krishna, and ALL other Pure souls taking birth in Pure bodies. The wording of this Version has been misquoted. Kindly present the exact wordings, along with the ENTIRE Murli, if possible. This refers PRIMARILY to the ACTUAL CALCULATION of the 5000-year period of the Cycle, which, MORE ACCURATELY, commences from the POINT OF TIME of the ENTRY of the soul of Shri Krishna in the mother's womb, which is considered as the ACTUAL TIME of birth of Shri Krishna. If the calculation is made from the time when Shri Krishna ascends the Throne as Shri Narayan, then he would lose 20 to 25 years from the period of 5000 years - this Version is in relation to this specific CONTEXT.
"... we believe that this refers to the role of the Supreme Soul through the medium of the corporeal Father.
This is correct, and APPLIES to the Unrighteous children, who have IDENTIFIED Virendra Dev Dixit as their corporeal father.
For the Righteous Children, Brahma Baba is their 'Alokik' Father AS WELL AS Mother, who enacted those roles through his corporeal body until 1969, and CONTINUES to enact those roles, and sustain the Righteous Children, through his subtle body, TO DATE! There should be NO ARGUMENT between the TWO Groups, IN THE MATTER, since EACH Group have their own 'Alokik' Parents, through whom they are PRACTICALLY receiving spiritual sustenance, to their FULL SATISFACTION - THAT IS WHAT ULTIMATELY MATTERS
"... because it is said that the role of Shankar will be played practically.
We request you to kindly get the points, (in the =RESPONSE
= to the post, in the link below), regarding Shankar, clarified from 'Shankar Baba', from his perspective, for better understanding of same, for the benefit of CONCERNED souls -