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Re: Sakar Murli Points for churning

Post by arjun » 24 May 2010

Murli Pt. No.120 (stop remembering pictures)

"Baap kahtey hain joa bhi aakaari, sakari va niraakaari chitra hain – unhein tumhey Yaad nahee karnaa hai. Tumko toh lakshya diya jata hai. Manushya toh chitra dekh kar Yaad kartey hain. Baba toh kahtey hain chitron ko dekhnaa ab band karo. Yah hai Bhaktimarg…....Toh koi bhi chitra ka simran nahee karnaa hai. Yah jo Shiv ka chitra hai unka bhi dhyaan nahee karnaa hai, kyonki Shiv toh aisa hai nahee. Jaisey ham aatma bhrikuti kay beech may rahtee hain, vaisey Baba bhi kahtey hain, mai thodi jagah lekar is aatma kay baajoo may baith jaataa hoon. Rathee ban inko baith gyaan detaa hoon. Inki aatma may bhi gyaan nahee tha. Jaisey inki aatmaa rathee boltee hai shareeer dwara, vaisey mai bhi in organs say boltaa hoon. Nahee toh kaisey samjhaaun." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 25.06.07, pg 2 & 3)

“The Father says that – you should not remember any subtle, corporeal or incorporeal picture. You are given a target. Human beings remember (God) with the help of pictures. Baba says – stop seeing pictures now. This (i.e. seeing pictures) is path of worship……So, one should not remember any picture. One should not even remember this picture of Shiv because Shiv is not like this. Just as we souls live in the middle of the bhrikuti (the spot on the forehead between two eyebrows), similarly Baba also says – I take a little space and sit beside this soul. I become a charioteer and give him knowledge. The soul of this one too did not have knowledge. Just as the the charioteer-like soul of this one, speaks through the body, similarly I too speak through these organs. Otherwise, how would I explain?” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 25.06.07, pg 2 & 3 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling that – “you should not remember any subtle, corporeal or incorporeal picture.” Is it not Bhakti to display pictures of bodily beings in the Godly Yagya of knowledge?

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Re: Sakar Murli Points for churning

Post by ak1972 » 14 Jun 2010

Excellent.
Was looking for many such points.

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Re: Sakar Murli Points for churning

Post by arjun » 09 Jul 2010

Murli Pt. No.121 (Rakhis and tilak)

"Patit paavan Baap kahtey hain – tum pavitra bano toh tumko rajtilak milega. Yah baat hai sangam kee. Jabki manushya pukaartey hain patit-paavan aao. Yahaan toh raajaai hai nahee. Baap kahtey hain tum patit bhrashtaachaari say paavan shreshthaachaari banengey toh raajaai kaa tilak tumko milega. Tilak koi diya nahee jata hai, yah toh samjhaya jata hai. Patit duniya may toh hai hee patit ka patit par rajya. Ab paavan ban-ney kee pratigya karo. Pratigya akshar bhi kahney may aataa hai, lekin hai gyaan kee baat. Bachchey jaantey hain ham patit-paavan, gyaan saagar Baap kay bachchey baney hain toh jaroor hamko paavan ban-na hoga. Baaki toh rakshabandhan kay din rakhi baandhney va tilak deney ka sawaal nahee uthtaa hai. Tum tilak kahaan detey ho? Bhakti marg may rasam nikaal dee hai, arth toh kuch bhi samajhtey nahee hain……Bhagwaanuvaach mamekam Yaad karo toh is Yoga agni say tum pavitra banongey. Ismay toh rakhi kee koi baat hee nahee…....Tyohar jo manaatey aatey hain, vah andhshraddha say kar letey hain, paisa kamaaney ke liye. Aagey Brahman log toh ek hee kisam kee rakhi ley jaatey thay. Male-female sabko baandhtey thay. Ek paisa mil jaata tha." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 31.07.07, pg 1&2)

“The Father, who is the purifier of the sinful ones, says – If you become pure, you would receive the raajtilak (royal vermillion mark applied on the forehead at the time of coronation). This is a matter of the Confluence Age, when the human beings call (God) saying – O purifier of the sinful ones, come! There is no kingship here. The Father says – If you get transformed from a sinful unrighteous one to pure righteous one, you would get the tilak of kingship. Tilak is not applied; it is just explained. In the sinful world it is only the rule of sinful ones over sinful ones. Now take the vow to become pure. The word ‘pratigya’ (vow/pledge) is also uttered, but it is a matter of knowledge. The children know that we have become the children of the purifier of the sinful ones, the ocean of knowledge, the Father; so, we would have to definitely become pure. As regards the question of tying rakhi or applying tilak on the day of Rakshabandhan, it does not arise at all. Do you apply tilak? A custom has been started in the path of worship; but they do not understand the meaning……God says – Remember only me, then you would become pure through this fire of Yoga. There is no question of tying rakhi in this……The festivals which people have been celebrating are for the purpose of earning money. Earlier the Brahmins used to take only one kind of rachis. They used to tie it to males as well as females. They used to get one paisa.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 31.07.07, pg 1&2 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling that there is no need to apply tilak or to tie rakhi at all. Then, is it appropriate for the sisters to apply gross tilak or tie gross rakhi on the wrists of the brothers and to accept money in return in the alokik family of us Brahmins?

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Re: Sakar Murli Points for churning

Post by arjun » 09 Aug 2010

Murli Point No. 122 (Brahma would leave his body)

"Samjho Brahma chalaa jaataa hai toh bhi tumko Yaad toh ShivBaba ko karnaa hai. Shareeer toh chootega hee. Tumko Yaad unko karnaa hai. ShivBaba kahtey hain sirf mujhey hee Yaad karo. Kisi dehdhaari ko Yaad nahee karnaa hai." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 24.07.07, pg 3&4)

“Suppose this Brahma departs, even then you have to remember ShivBaba. The body will certainly be left. You have to remember Him. ShivBaba says - Remember only me. One must not remember any bodily being.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 24.07.07, pg 3&4 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling that suppose this Brahma departs, even then you have to remember ShivBaba. And Baba is also telling that Brahma’s body will certainly be left. But Baba has said in the Murlis that He will continue to teach till the end. So, after Brahma has left his body, which is that corporeal body, through whom the Supreme Father Shiv is still teaching us and through whom we have to remember ShivBaba?
- ShivBaba is telling that even if Brahma leaves his body, you must remember ShivBaba, and not any bodily being. Then, is it in accordance with the Shrimat to shed tears when a brother or sister from our Brahmin family leaves his body or to display their pictures at the centers?

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Re: Sakar Murli Points for churning

Post by arjun » 18 Sep 2010

Murli Point No. 123 (first class and wasteful conferences)

"Vah log kitnee conference kartey rahtey hain. Religious conference bulaatey hain. Yoga kee conference bulaatey hain. Sab faaltu hain.....Yah sangam ka mela first class conference hai, jabki aatmaon say Parmatma aakar miltey hain. Second may jeevanmukti miltee hai. Iskay baad fir koi conference Yagya, tap aadi kuch hotey nahee, sab band ho jaatey hain. Tumhari conference kaisi numberone hai aatmaon aur Parmatma kee. Atma jeev (shareeer) may pravesh karney say jeevatma banti hai. Kahtey hain mai inmay pravesh na karoon toh apnaa parichay kaisey doon aur trikaaldarshi va swadarshan chakradhari kaisey banaaun?....Yah conference kitnee firstclass hai. Aur jo bhi conference kartey hain waste of time hai. Sabsey achchi conference yah hai. Jeev aatmaon aur Parmatma kee. Jeev aatma Yaad kartee hai Parmatma ko, toh jaroor jeev may aayengey na. Nahee toh boley kaisey? Yah conference sabsey achchi hai. Jo Parampita Parmatma aakar sarva ko sadgati detey hain. Patit aatmaon kay saath jaroor patit-paavan kee hee conference hogi, tab toh paavan banaayengey." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 10.07.07, pg 3)


“Those people keep organising so many conferences. They organize religious conference. They organize conference on Yoga. All (such conferences) are wasteful......This fair of the Confluence (Age) is the first class conference, when the Supreme Soul comes and meets the souls. One gets liberation in life (true salvation/jeevanmukti) in a second. After this there would not be any conference, Yagya, penance, etc.; everything ends. Your conference of the souls and the Supreme Soul is so number one. A soul becomes a living soul by entering a living being (body). [He] says if I don't enter into this one, how would I give my introduction and how would I make you trikaaldarshi (one who knows the beginning, the middle and the end of this world drama) and swadarshan chakradhaari (one who rotates the wheel of self realization)?....This conference is so first class. All other conferences which are organized are a waste of time. The best conference is this - the conference of the living souls and the Supreme Soul. The living soul remembers the Supreme Soul, so, certainly He would come in a living being, wouldn’t he? Otherwise, how would He speak? This conference is the best one, in which the Supreme Father Supreme Soul comes and causes the true salvation of everyone. The conference of the sinful souls would take place only with the purifier of the sinful ones (patit-paavan); only then would He make them pure.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 10.07.07, pg 3 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling that except the conference of the souls and the Supreme Soul all other conferences which take place in the world are wastage of time, are useless. So, then, after Brahma Baba left his body in 1969, the small and big conferences that are being organized throughout the year in our Godly Yagya by investing lakhs of rupees, are they in accordance with Shrimat?

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Re: Sakar Murli Points for churning

Post by arjun » 16 Oct 2010

Murli Point No. 124 (Listening to Murli word by word)

"Tum bachchey tape say bhi Baba kee Murli suntey ho. Bachchey chaahtey hain tape say ham akshar by akshar sunein. Jinko shauk hoga, paisey vaaley hongey, udaarchitt hongey toh auron kaa bhi kalyaan karengey.....Hamara Baba Sai kitnaa Bholanath fraakdil hai. Tumko bhi fraakdil ban-na chaahiye. Yagya may Dadhichi Rishi misal haddiyaan deni hoti hai. Baap kahtey hain sweet luckiest children in the world tum ho jo Baap say varsa lay rahey ho." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 16.07.07, pg 4)

“You children listen to Baba's Murli also through tape (recorder). Children wish that they should listen word by word through a tape (recorder). Those who are interested, those who are rich, those who are generous would cause the benefit of others too.....Our Baba Sai is so Bholanath (lord of the innocent ones) fraakdil (generous). You should also become generous. One must give one’s bones in the Yagya like sage Dadhichi. The Father says - you, who are obtaining the inheritance from the Father, are the sweet luckiest children in the world.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 16.07.07, pg 4 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling that children wish to listen to Murli word by word. After Brahma Baba left his body, although Godly Service-Centers have been opened in almost all the countries of the world and there is no dearth of means, but there is hardly any center where people listen to or play the Sakar Murlis of ShivBaba. Is this in accordance with Shrimat?
- When compared to the original Murlis narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba, a considerable portion of the printed versions of the same has been cut. Is doing so in accordance with Shrimat?

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Post by arjun » 18 Nov 2010

Murli Pt.No.125 (Subtle Region)

"Pehley-pehley Brahman varna fir devataa....varnon may aatey hain. Varna toh yahaan hee hain. Sookshmavatan may toh varnon kee baat hee nahee hai. ...…Yah bhi jaantey ho jaisi-jaisi bhaavnaa hai, vaisey-vaisey saakshaatkaar ho jata hai. Baaki vahaan koi sarp aadi kee baat nahee hai. Bail bhi vahaan ho na sakey. Sookshmavatan may toh hai hee devataa. Sookshmavatan may jaatey ho – bageecha, fal aadi dekhtey ho. Kya vahaan bageecha hai? Baba saakshaatkaar karaatey hain. Baaki hai nahee. Buddhi kahti hai vahaan sookshmavatan may jhaad aadi ho na sakey. Yah jaroor saakshaatkaar hota hai. Saakshaatkaar bhi yahaan ka karaayengey. Yah sab hain saakshaatkaar. Isko jaadoogari ka khel kahtey hain. Yah koi gyaan nahee hai. Manushya manushya ko Barrister banaatey hain, vah koi jaadoo nahee kahengey. Vah vidya detey hain. Yah tumhaarey ko manushya say devataa banaatey hain nayee duniya kay liye, isliye jaadoogari kahaa jata hai. Divya drishti kee chaabi Baba kay paas honay kay kaaran unko jaadoogar bhi kahaa jata hai. Vah kahtey hain guru ki kripa hai, moorty say saakshaatkaar hua. Us say toh faaydaa kuch bhi nahee. Yahaan toh mehnat kar swayam vah Lakshmi-Narayan, Sita-Ram ban rahey ho.....Baaki saakshaatkaar aadi kee toh chitchat hai, inki aash nahee rahnee chaahiye. Samajhtey hain ab khud Baap aaya hai, toh saakshaatkaar karaa devey, parantu yah sab hai faaltu. Fir saakshaatkaar na honay say naaumeed ho padhaai chod detey hain." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 10.09.07, pg 2&3)

“First of all (we) come in the Brahmin class, then the deity (class)... classes. The classes are only here. There is no question of classes in the Subtle Region at all…. ....You know that as is one’s feelings, so is the vision that is caused. Nonetheless, there is no matter of any snake etc. there. There can’t even be bulls there. In the Subtle Region, there are only deities. You visit the Subtle Region – you see garden, fruits, etc. Is there any garden there? Baba causes vision. But it does not exist. The intellect says – there cannot be trees etc. in the Subtle Region. It is certainly a vision. The vision would also be caused about here (i.e. this world). All this is a vision. This is called a game of magic. This is not knowledge. Human beings make other human beings Barristers; that would not be called a magic. They give knowledge. This one transforms you from a human being to a deity for the new world. That is why it is called magic. Baba is also called a magician because he has the key to visions with him. They say it is by guru's grace; the idol caused vision. There is no benefit in it. Here you are yourself becoming Lakshmi-Narayan, Sita-Ram by hard work.....As regards visions etc. it is just chitchat. One should not wish/hope for that. They feel that now when Baba Himself has come, He should cause vision. But all this is wasteful. Then, if divine vision is not caused, they become disheartened and leave the study.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 10.09.07, pg 2&3 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling that there is nothing in the Subtle Region actually. It is only a matter of the vision. There is no benefit in it. But it has been observed that more importance is being given to trance and vision in our Godly family. Is it in accordance with the Shrimat to do so?

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Post by arjun » 21 Dec 2010

Murli Pt.No.126 (Importance of the word 'Prajapita')

"Baba samjhaatey rahtey hain. Correction bhi kartey jaao. Brahmakumar kumariyon kay aagey Prajapita Brahma jaroor likhnaa chaahiye. Prajapita kahney say Baap siddh ho jata hai. Ham prashna hee poochtey hain ki Prajapita Brahma say kya sambandh hai? Kyonki Brahma naam toh bahuton kay hain. Koi female ka naam bhi Brahma hai. Prajapita naam toh kiska hota nahee, isliye Prajapita akshar bahut jaroori hai. Prajapita Aadi Dev kahtey hain. Parantu Aadi Dev ka arth nahee samajhtey. Prajapita toh jaroor yahaan hee hoga na. Aadi Dev fir vah Brahma (sookshma) ho jata hai. Aadi arthaat shuruaat ka. Prajapita Brahma ko fir beti hai Saraswati. Sookshmavatan may toh beti ho na sakey. Rachayita toh yahaan hai na. In guhya baaton ko vishaalbuddhi vaaley hee dhaaran kar saktey hain. Dharanaa kay saath manners bhi chaahiye. Jo koi bhi dekh khush ho. Tumharaa bol jo nikaltaa hai unko ratna kaha jata hai." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 06.09.07, pg 2)

“Baba keeps explaining. Also go on making corrections. One must definitely write the word ‘Prajapita Brahma’ before ‘Brahmakumar-kumaris’. By saying ‘Prajapita’ the Father is proved. The question that we precisely ask is that – what is your relationship with Prajapita Brahma? It is because many people have the name Brahma. Some female also has the name Brahma. Nobody has the name Prajapita. That is why the word ‘Prajapita’ is very important. [People] say Prajapita Aadi Dev. But they do not understand the meaning of Aadi Dev. Prajapita would certainly be here, won’t he? Aadi Dev then becomes that (subtle) Brahma. Aadi means ‘from the beginning’. Then Prajapita has a daughter- Saraswati. He cannot have a daughter in the Subtle Region. The Creator is here, isn’t he? Only those with a broad intellect can understand/inculcate these secret matters. Along with inculcation (of the secret matters) such manners are also required that anyone would feel happy on seeing. The words that emerge from your mouth are called gems.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 06.09.07, pg 2 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling that the word ‘Prajapita’ is very important. That is why one must definitely prefix the word ‘Prajapita Brahma’ to ‘Brahmakumar-kumaris’. But the members of Brahmakumari institution call themselves as Brahmakumar-kumaris (BKs) and not as Prajapita Brahmakumar-kumaris (PBKs). Moreover Prajapita Brahmakumari Ishwariya Vishwavidyalay is presented to the world in the form of Brahmakumari institution. Is it in accordance with the Shrimat to do so?

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Post by arjun » 14 Jan 2011

Murli Pt.No.127 (importance of corporeal Chariot)

"Bahut bachchey saadhaaran roop dekh moonjhtey hain, ultaa bolney lag padtey hain. Achchey-achchey bachchey unko bhi Maya chamaat maar deti hai. Samajhtey hain – bas jo kuch hai niraakaar hee hai. So toh theek hai na. Niraakaar nahee hota toh ham tum kaisey hotey. Parantu niraakaar ko toh rath jaroor chaahiye na. Rath bigar kya karengey, ShivBaba kya karega? Rath may aaye tab toh tum unsay milengey. Tumhee say sunoon, tumhee say baithoon. Toh rath jaroor chaahiye na. Achcha saakaar bigar niraakaar ko Yaad kar dikhaao. Kya tumko gyaan prernaa say milega? Fir merey paas aaye hee kyon ho? Yah Baba bhi kahta hai ki varsa toh ShivBaba say lena hai. ShivBaba kahtey hain mai is saadhaaran tan may baith padhaataa hoon. Padhaai toh jaroor chaahiye na. Bahut achchey-achchey bachhon ka maatha hee fir jaataa hai. Doh-chaar center kholtey toh bas ahankaar aa jaataa hai. Fir ultaa boltey rahtey hain. Fir kabhi buddhi may aa bhi jaataa hai ki yah hamney theek nahee kahaa, fir pashchaataap kartey hain. Baba kahtey hain mai saakaar bigar kaisey samjhaaunga. Ismay prernaa kee toh baat hee nahee." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 22.09.07, pg 2&3)

“Many children get confused on seeing the ordinary form; they start speaking in an opposite way. Maya slaps even the nice children. They think – the incorporeal one is everything. That is alright, isn’t it? Had the incorporeal one not been there, how could I or you have existed? But the incorporeal one certainly requires a Chariot, doesn’t He? What can He do without a Chariot? What can ShivBaba do? Only when He comes in a Chariot that you can meet Him. (It is said that) “I shall listen only to you, I shall sit only with you.” So, the Chariot is certainly required, isn’t it? OK, remember the incorporeal without the corporeal and show. Will you get knowledge through inspiration? Then why did you come to me in the first place? This Baba also says that the inheritance has to be obtained from ShivBaba. ShivBaba says I sit in this ordinary body and teach. Knowledge is certainly required, isn’t it? The brains of very nice children get twisted. No sooner than they open two-four centers they become egotistic. Then they keep speaking in an opposite way. Then sometimes it even comes to their intellect that whatever they spoke was not proper. Then they repent. Baba says how will I explain without the corporeal (medium)? There is no question of inspiration in this at all.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 22.09.07, pg 2&3 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling that “remember the incorporeal without the corporeal and show. Will you get knowledge through inspiration?” But BKs say that 1969 onwards incorporeal Father Shiv is in the Soul World. That is why we must remember ShivBaba as a point of light in the Soul World. So is the remembrance of just the incorporeal in the Soul World in accordance with Shrimat? If not, then where is ShivBaba playing His part in corporeal form?

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Post by arjun » 19 Feb 2011

Murli Pt.No.128 (direct connection with ShivBaba)

"Maya ka vaar achchey-achchey bachchon par bhi ho jata hai. Koi toh aisey moorkh ban jaatey hain, kahtey hain ki hamara toh direct ShivBaba say connection hai. Parantu Brahma kay aagey toh jaroor aana padega na. Achcha ghar may bhi jaakar baith jaao fir Murli kaisey sunengey! Kya karengey? Kahtey yah Brahma bhi purushaarthi hai, ham bhi purushaarthi hain. Padhtey toh sab ShivBaba say hain, parantu Brahma paas aayengey tab toh sunengey na. Prernaa say sunkar dikhaao toh maaloom padey. Fir kabhi-kabhi Baba Murli band bhi kar detey hain. Brahma say janma liya aur mar gaya fir khatam. Varsa kaisey paayengey. Aisey bhi mand buddhi bahut sangdosh may kharaab ho jaatey hain. Fir bataao unki kya gati hogi? Satguru ka nindak baney toh oonch thaur pa nahee sakengey." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 28.09.07, pg 2)

“Maya attacks even the nice children. Some become such fools who say that their direct connection is with ShivBaba. But one will certainly have to come in front of Brahma, will he not? Alright, even if you go and sit at home; how will you listen to Murli? What will you do? They say – this Brahma is also an effort-maker. We are also effort-makers. Everyone does study from ShivBaba, but only when one comes to Brahma that one can listen (to Murli), isn’t it? Listen (to Murli) through inspiration and show, then we would come to know. Then sometimes Baba even stops the (supply of) Murlis (to such children). One takes birth from Brahma and then dies; then everything ends. How will they obtain the inheritance? There are many such dullheaded, who get spoilt under the influence of bad company. Then tell what will be their fate? If one causes defamation of the Satguru, then one will not be able to achieve the elevated destination.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 28.09.07, pg 2 published by BKs)

- After 1969, when BKs are asked about the corporeal part of ShivBaba they say that there is no corporeal part of ShivBaba after 1969. Whenever one is in confusion, then one can obtain Shrimat directly from ShivBaba by establishing connection with Him. But Baba is telling that only when one comes to Brahma that one can listen (to Murli), isn’t it? Listen (to Murli) through inspiration and show, then we would come to know. So, can one get Shrimat by remembering just the incorporeal in the Soul World? If not, then where is ShivBaba narrating Murli in corporeal form?

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Re: Sakar Murli Points for churning

Post by arjun » 15 Mar 2011

Murli Pt.No.129 (remembrance of Shiv in Paramdham)

"Baba aatmaon say baat kartey hain. Aatma na kah jeevatma kahengey kyonki jab aatma akeli hai toh bol nahee saktee. Sharir bigar aatma, aatma say baat nahee kartee. Paramdham may kya Parmatma aatma say baat karengey? Bhal kah detey Christ ko Parmatma nay bheja parantu vahaan Parmatma boltaa nahee hai, vahaan ishara bhi nahee hota. Drama anusaar aatma aapey hee part bajaaney neechey aa jaati hai. Aatma may part bhara hua hai. Toh aatma neechey aakar sharir dhaaran kar part bajaati hai." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 08.10.07, pg 1&2)

“Baba speaks to the souls. Instead of aatma (soul) it will be called a jeevatma (a living soul, i.e. soul+body) because when a soul is single (i.e. without body) it cannot speak. Without a body, a soul does not speak to (another) soul. Will the Supreme Soul talk to a soul in the Supreme Abode? Although it is said that Christ was sent (to Earth) by the Supreme Soul, but there the Supreme Soul does not speak. There is not even gesture there. According to the drama a soul comes down on its own to play its part. The part (i.e. role) is recorded in the soul. So the soul comes down and plays its part by assuming a body.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 08.10.07, pg 1&2 published by BKs)

- After 1969, BKs are taught that they can go to the Supreme Abode during meditation and talk to ShivBaba. But Baba is Himself asking in the above Murli that will the Supreme Soul talk to the soul in the Supreme Abode? So is it correct to remember ShivBaba as a point of light in the Supreme Abode? Or is it correct to remember the incorporeal Father Shiv who has come in a corporeal Chariot?

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Re: Sakar Murli Points for churning

Post by arjun » 23 Apr 2011

Murli.Pt.No.130 (Prajapita not Subtle Region dweller)

"Sookshmavatanvasi Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar ko devataa kahtey hain. Aisey kahaan bhi likha hua nahee hai ki Prajapita Brahma sookshmavatan vaasi hai. Sookshmavatan may thodey hee praja hoti hai. Prajapita Brahma toh jaroor yahaan hee chaahiye. Oonch tay oonch ShivBaba fir second number may hai Brahma." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 30.10.07, pg 3)

“Subtle Region dwellers Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar are called deities. It has not been written anywhere that Prajapita is a Subtle Region dweller. There is no praja (subjects) in the Subtle Region. Prajapita Brahma is certainly required here. Highest on high is ShivBaba; then in the second number is Brahma.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 30.10.07, pg 3 published by BKs)

- BKs say that Brahma is in the Subtle Region. But Baba is telling that there is no praja (subjects) in the Subtle Region. Prajapita Brahma is certainly required here. Does it not mean that ShivBaba is playing His part through Prajapita Brahma in this world itself?

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Re: Sakar Murli Points for churning

Post by arjun » 16 Jun 2011

Murli Pt.No.131 (Trimurti Flag)

"Unhon kay jhandey may bhi chakra hai, fir unhonay charkha banaa diya hai. Unkay saamney tumhara Coat of Arms theek hai. Oopar may ShivBaba, neechey Trimurti aur chakra bilkul theek lagaa hai. Yah tumhara Shiv ka jhanda bilkul theek hai." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 22.10.07, pg 2)

“There is a wheel in their flag too; then they have depicted a handloom. In front of theirs’, your Court of Arms is correct. The depiction of ShivBaba above, Trimurti below and the wheel is very appropriate. This flag of Shiv of yours is very correct.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 22.10.07, pg 2 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling us that there should be ShivBaba above, the Trimurti and the wheel below, in our flag of Shiv. But is it in accordance with the above Shrimat to show only the point of light Shiv in the flag?

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Re: Sakar Murli Points for churning

Post by arjun » 21 Jul 2011

Murli pt.no.132 (appointed Chariot)

"Baap khud kahtey hain mai patiton kee duniya may aataa hoon. Satyug may yahee Narayan tha – ab fir inkay tan may aaya hoon, inko hee nar say Narayan banaataa hoon. Numberone poojya bhi yah tha, ab numberone pujaari bhi yah banaa hai. Fir inka hee allround part hai. Yah mera mukarrar tan hai. Yah change nahee ho saktaa. Aisey nahee kab doosrey ko chance doon. Yah drama banaa banaayaa hai. Ismay change nahee ho saktee. Baba kahtey hain mai aataa hoon patiton kee duniya may, parantu koi ko patit kaho toh bigad padengey. Parantu jab Bhagwaanuvaach hai ki sab aasuri sampradaay hain toh maanana padega. Bhagwaan mana Bhagwaan niraakaar, na Brahma, na Vishnu, na Shankar, na Krishna." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 22.10.07, pg 1&2)

“The Father himself says – I come in the world of sinful ones. This one himself was Narayan in the Golden Age. Now I have come again in the body of this one. I transform just this one from a man to Narayan. This one was the number one worship worthy too. Now it is just this one who has become the number one worshipper. Then he alone has the all-round part. This one is my appointed Chariot. This cannot change. It is not so that I will give a chance to another one sometime. This drama is predetermined. There can be no change in this. Baba says : I come in the world of the sinful ones, but if someone is called sinful, he will become angry. But when God says that everyone belongs to the demoniac community, then they will have to accept. ‘God’ means the incorporeal God; neither Brahma nor Vishnu; neither Shankar nor Krishna.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 22.10.07, pg 1&2 published by BKs)

- Baba is saying that This one is my appointed Chariot. This cannot change. If Brahma Baba’s body was an appointed Chariot, then which Chariot is the body of Gulzar Dadiji?
- Baba is saying that "he alone has the all-round part". But Brahma Baba’s part cannot be called an all-rounder’s part because his part has been reduced by almost 67 years from the 5000 years drama. So, then which is the appointed Chariot of Father Shiv, which is also an all-rounder?

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Re: Sakar Murli Points for churning

Post by arjun » 18 Aug 2011

Murli pt.no.133 (coat of arms)

"Yug yahaan hotay hain Satyug Treta.....Yah naam hee yahaan kay hain. Vinaash bhi gaayaa hua hai. Trimurti bhi dikhaatey hain. Voh log Trimurti kay neechey likhtey hain – Satya mev jayatey.....Yah roohani Government hai na. Non-violence shakti sena bhi gaayaa hua hai. Parantu sirf naam maatra. Toh tumhara bhi Coat of Arms hona chaahiye. Tum Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar kay neechey likh saktey ho Satya mev jayatey. Bachchon kee buddhi may aanaa chaahiye ki kaisey Coat of Arms banaayein." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 17.08.07, pg 1)

“Ages/Eras are here (i.e. in the corporeal world), the Golden Age, Silver Age.....These names are of this place only. Destruction is also famous. Trimurti is also depicted. Those people write ‘Satya mev jayatey’ (Only truth shall triumph) below Trimurti (i.e. the official Indian Amblem of three lions)....This is a spiritual Government, isn’t it? Non-violence Shakti Sena is also famous. But that is only for name sake. So, you should also have a Coat of Arms. You can write – ‘Satya mev jayatey’ below Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar. It should strike the intellect of the children that we are the children of Pandav Government. The subjects consider themselves to be children only. So, it should strike the intellect that how should we make (our) Coat of Arms.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 17.08.07, pg 1 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling that you should also have a Coat of Arms. You can write – ‘Satya mev jayatey’ below Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar. But we Brahmins have not prepared any such Coat of Arms, below which it is written Satyamev jayatey. We have prepared a flag of just a point of light Shiv. So, we should prepare such a Coat of Arms, shouldn’t we? Or any of ShivBaba’s children have already prepared such a Coat of Arms or Trimurti flag?

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